Re: [scifinoir2] Sadly Needed Info--How to Avoid Lightning Strikes

2010-07-15 Thread Martin Baxter
Keith, when I first began playing Pee-Wee baseball, my coach took me aside
and had me assume the standard catcher's position, left hand out as though I
were holding a glove. Then he pointed out to the rest of the team that this
was how you should stand if caught out in a storm and unable to find
shelter.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Keith Johnson
keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 Yesterday, two teenage girls were struck by lightning here in the Atlanta
 area ( http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/teen-dies-after-being-569897.html ).
 They were standing under a tree near their apartment complex. One of the
 girls is likely to live, the other died. I'm not sure if the girls intended
 to use the tree as shelter, or were simply standing near it when the
 lightning struck. Either way, they didn't realize the danger, which really
 saddens me. I remember as  young boy being lectured over and over by my mom
 about getting in out of the storm. It was drilled into me not to stand near
 a tree, a chain link fence, telephone pole, or a car during a storm. I
 remember my mom yelling at me to throw down the rake, shovel, waterhose, or
 baseball bat I might have been holding as dark clouds and rumbling thunders
 approached. And boy was it hammered home  not to use the phone or take a
 bath  during a storm. I think as the years go by, and fewer people grow up
 with the wisdom of ancestors who spent a lot of time outdoors, we perhaps
 fail to remember or heed those lessons. Frankly, as our technology allows us
 to avoid things like power outages and interrupted phone service more, I
 think sometimes the threats that Nature still presents seem to diminish.
 Even I-- with all of Mom's warnings in my head, and all the knowledge of
 such things a degree in Electrical Engineering brought--have in the past
 foolishly jumped into the shower in my second-floor bathroom with storms
 raging practically overhead. And Lord knows youngsters often dismiss such
 warnings as the superstitions of old folk.
 But as this event sadly shows, Nature is still supreme, and we really need
 to heed those old, country-sounding words of wisdom. To that effect, I'm
 posting a few tips on how to avoid lightning strikes gathered from the Net.
 Sorry for the link and the use of multiple sources, but I think the
 information is a quick read and just might save a life. If nothing else,
 please be sure you have a talk with your kids about it, so we don't have
 more stories like this sad one.

 *

 [http://www.ucar.edu/communications/infopack/lightning/faq.html#avoid

 Outdoors, the idea is to avoid being near--or being--the highest object
 around. Get away from isolated trees, metal fences, wire clotheslines, and
 the like, and avoid standing in an exposed area or near water. If you are
 the tallest thing around, or in a boat on open water, crouch down to reduce
 your height (but don't lie flat). Lay down metal sports equipment and
 dismount bicycles. Take especially swift action if your hair stands on end,
 as that means charged particles are starting to use your body as a pathway.
 The safest form of vehicle is one with a fully enclosed, all-metal body,
 which helps to channel electricity around the interior. Make sure the car's
 windows and doors are completely closed. Finally, remember that lightning
 can, and often does, strike the same spot more than once--even the same
 person. U.S. park ranger Roy Sullivan reportedly was struck seven times
 between 1942 and 1977.]

 

 http://www.hitthetrail.com/lightning.php

- If you're boating or swimming, get to land, get off the beach and
find shelter immediately. Stay away from rivers, lakes and other bodies of
water. Water is an excellent conductor of electricity and nearby lightning
strikes often travel through it.
- Whenever possible, take shelter in substantial, permanent, enclosed
structures, such as reinforced buildings. Avoid unprotected gazebos, rain 
 or
picnic shelters, baseball dugouts and bleachers; these structures are often
isolated and located in otherwise open areas, making them a target for
lightning. Also, they're generally poorly anchored and can easily be
uprooted and blown over by strong thunderstorm winds. Lastly, these
structures offer little protection from large hail.
- If there are no reinforced buildings in sight, take shelter in a car,
truck or other hard-topped vehicle. Keep the windows closed. Although 
 rubber
tires provide no protection from lightning, the steel frame of a 
 hard-topped
vehicle does increase protection if you are not touching metal. If 
 lightning
does strike your car, you may be injured but you are much safer inside a
vehicle than outside.
- If you are in the woods, find an area protected by a low clump of
trees. Never stand under a large tree in the open. Be aware of possible
flooding in low-lying areas.
- As a last resort, if no 

Re: [scifinoir2] Sadly Needed Info--How to Avoid Lightning Strikes

2010-07-14 Thread Mr. Worf
They say that your chances of being struck by lightning is less if you are
female.

I find it interesting that some people have been struck and survived.
Remember that guy that was struck 9 times?

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 Yesterday, two teenage girls were struck by lightning here in the Atlanta
 area ( http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/teen-dies-after-being-569897.html ).
 They were standing under a tree near their apartment complex. One of the
 girls is likely to live, the other died. I'm not sure if the girls intended
 to use the tree as shelter, or were simply standing near it when the
 lightning struck. Either way, they didn't realize the danger, which really
 saddens me. I remember as  young boy being lectured over and over by my mom
 about getting in out of the storm. It was drilled into me not to stand near
 a tree, a chain link fence, telephone pole, or a car during a storm. I
 remember my mom yelling at me to throw down the rake, shovel, waterhose, or
 baseball bat I might have been holding as dark clouds and rumbling thunders
 approached. And boy was it hammered home  not to use the phone or take a
 bath  during a storm. I think as the years go by, and fewer people grow up
 with the wisdom of ancestors who spent a lot of time outdoors, we perhaps
 fail to remember or heed those lessons. Frankly, as our technology allows us
 to avoid things like power outages and interrupted phone service more, I
 think sometimes the threats that Nature still presents seem to diminish.
 Even I-- with all of Mom's warnings in my head, and all the knowledge of
 such things a degree in Electrical Engineering brought--have in the past
 foolishly jumped into the shower in my second-floor bathroom with storms
 raging practically overhead. And Lord knows youngsters often dismiss such
 warnings as the superstitions of old folk.
 But as this event sadly shows, Nature is still supreme, and we really need
 to heed those old, country-sounding words of wisdom. To that effect, I'm
 posting a few tips on how to avoid lightning strikes gathered from the Net.
 Sorry for the link and the use of multiple sources, but I think the
 information is a quick read and just might save a life. If nothing else,
 please be sure you have a talk with your kids about it, so we don't have
 more stories like this sad one.

 *

 [http://www.ucar.edu/communications/infopack/lightning/faq.html#avoid

 Outdoors, the idea is to avoid being near--or being--the highest object
 around. Get away from isolated trees, metal fences, wire clotheslines, and
 the like, and avoid standing in an exposed area or near water. If you are
 the tallest thing around, or in a boat on open water, crouch down to reduce
 your height (but don't lie flat). Lay down metal sports equipment and
 dismount bicycles. Take especially swift action if your hair stands on end,
 as that means charged particles are starting to use your body as a pathway.
 The safest form of vehicle is one with a fully enclosed, all-metal body,
 which helps to channel electricity around the interior. Make sure the car's
 windows and doors are completely closed. Finally, remember that lightning
 can, and often does, strike the same spot more than once--even the same
 person. U.S. park ranger Roy Sullivan reportedly was struck seven times
 between 1942 and 1977.]

 

 http://www.hitthetrail.com/lightning.php

- If you're boating or swimming, get to land, get off the beach and
find shelter immediately. Stay away from rivers, lakes and other bodies of
water. Water is an excellent conductor of electricity and nearby lightning
strikes often travel through it.
- Whenever possible, take shelter in substantial, permanent, enclosed
structures, such as reinforced buildings. Avoid unprotected gazebos, rain 
 or
picnic shelters, baseball dugouts and bleachers; these structures are often
isolated and located in otherwise open areas, making them a target for
lightning. Also, they're generally poorly anchored and can easily be
uprooted and blown over by strong thunderstorm winds. Lastly, these
structures offer little protection from large hail.
- If there are no reinforced buildings in sight, take shelter in a car,
truck or other hard-topped vehicle. Keep the windows closed. Although 
 rubber
tires provide no protection from lightning, the steel frame of a 
 hard-topped
vehicle does increase protection if you are not touching metal. If 
 lightning
does strike your car, you may be injured but you are much safer inside a
vehicle than outside.
- If you are in the woods, find an area protected by a low clump of
trees. Never stand under a large tree in the open. Be aware of possible
flooding in low-lying areas.
- As a last resort, if no shelter is available, go to a low-lying, open
place away from trees, poles or metal objects. Pick a place 

Re: [scifinoir2] Sadly Needed Info--How to Avoid Lightning Strikes

2010-07-14 Thread Keith Johnson
Now why would women survive more often than mean? Does body fat content have 
anything to do with how the body would conduct the electricity?? 

- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:31:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sadly Needed Info--How to Avoid Lightning Strikes 






They say that your chances of being struck by lightning is less if you are 
female. 

I find it interesting that some people have been struck and survived. Remember 
that guy that was struck 9 times? 


On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 






Yesterday, two teenage girls were struck by lightning here in the Atlanta area 
( http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/teen-dies-after-being-569897.html ). They were 
standing under a tree near their apartment complex. One of the girls is likely 
to live, the other died. I'm not sure if the girls intended to use the tree as 
shelter, or were simply standing near it when the lightning struck. Either way, 
they didn't realize the danger, which really saddens me. I remember as young 
boy being lectured over and over by my mom about getting in out of the storm. 
It was drilled into me not to stand near a tree, a chain link fence, telephone 
pole, or a car during a storm. I remember my mom yelling at me to throw down 
the rake, shovel, waterhose, or baseball bat I might have been holding as dark 
clouds and rumbling thunders approached. And boy was it hammered home not to 
use the phone or take a bath during a storm. I think as the years go by, and 
fewer people grow up with the wisdom of ancestors who spent a lot of time 
outdoors, we perhaps fail to remember or heed those lessons. Frankly, as our 
technology allows us to avoid things like power outages and interrupted phone 
service more, I think sometimes the threats that Nature still presents seem to 
diminish. Even I-- with all of Mom's warnings in my head, and all the knowledge 
of such things a degree in Electrical Engineering brought--have in the past 
foolishly jumped into the shower in my second-floor bathroom with storms raging 
practically overhead. And Lord knows youngsters often dismiss such warnings as 
the superstitions of old folk. 
But as this event sadly shows, Nature is still supreme, and we really need to 
heed those old, country-sounding words of wisdom. To that effect, I'm posting a 
few tips on how to avoid lightning strikes gathered from the Net. Sorry for the 
link and the use of multiple sources, but I think the information is a quick 
read and just might save a life. If nothing else, please be sure you have a 
talk with your kids about it, so we don't have more stories like this sad one. 

* 

[ http://www.ucar.edu/communications/infopack/lightning/faq.html#avoid 

Outdoors, the idea is to avoid being near--or being--the highest object around. 
Get away from isolated trees, metal fences, wire clotheslines, and the like, 
and avoid standing in an exposed area or near water. If you are the tallest 
thing around, or in a boat on open water, crouch down to reduce your height 
(but don't lie flat). Lay down metal sports equipment and dismount bicycles. 
Take especially swift action if your hair stands on end, as that means charged 
particles are starting to use your body as a pathway. The safest form of 
vehicle is one with a fully enclosed, all-metal body, which helps to channel 
electricity around the interior. Make sure the car's windows and doors are 
completely closed. Finally, remember that lightning can, and often does, strike 
the same spot more than once--even the same person. U.S. park ranger Roy 
Sullivan reportedly was struck seven times between 1942 and 1977.] 

 

http://www.hitthetrail.com/lightning.php 


• If you're boating or swimming, get to land, get off the beach and find 
shelter immediately. Stay away from rivers, lakes and other bodies of water. 
Water is an excellent conductor of electricity and nearby lightning strikes 
often travel through it. 
• Whenever possible, take shelter in substantial, permanent, enclosed 
structures, such as reinforced buildings. Avoid unprotected gazebos, rain or 
picnic shelters, baseball dugouts and bleachers; these structures are often 
isolated and located in otherwise open areas, making them a target for 
lightning. Also, they're generally poorly anchored and can easily be uprooted 
and blown over by strong thunderstorm winds. Lastly, these structures offer 
little protection from large hail. 
• If there are no reinforced buildings in sight, take shelter in a car, 
truck or other hard-topped vehicle. Keep the windows closed. Although rubber 
tires provide no protection from lightning, the steel frame of a hard-topped 
vehicle does increase protection if you are not touching metal. If lightning 
does strike your car, you may be injured but you are much safer inside a 
vehicle

Re: [scifinoir2] Sadly Needed Info--How to Avoid Lightning Strikes

2010-07-14 Thread Mr. Worf
I think it had something to do with their chemical makeup. I dunno.

I did find this on the Nasa Science page:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1999/essd18jun99_1/


On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 Now why would women survive more often than mean? Does body fat content
 have anything to do with how the body would conduct the electricity??


 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:31:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sadly Needed Info--How to Avoid Lightning Strikes



 They say that your chances of being struck by lightning is less if you are
 female.

 I find it interesting that some people have been struck and survived.
 Remember that guy that was struck 9 times?

 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Keith Johnson 
 keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 Yesterday, two teenage girls were struck by lightning here in the Atlanta
 area ( http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/teen-dies-after-being-569897.html ).
 They were standing under a tree near their apartment complex. One of the
 girls is likely to live, the other died. I'm not sure if the girls intended
 to use the tree as shelter, or were simply standing near it when the
 lightning struck. Either way, they didn't realize the danger, which really
 saddens me. I remember as  young boy being lectured over and over by my mom
 about getting in out of the storm. It was drilled into me not to stand near
 a tree, a chain link fence, telephone pole, or a car during a storm. I
 remember my mom yelling at me to throw down the rake, shovel, waterhose, or
 baseball bat I might have been holding as dark clouds and rumbling thunders
 approached. And boy was it hammered home  not to use the phone or take a
 bath  during a storm. I think as the years go by, and fewer people grow up
 with the wisdom of ancestors who spent a lot of time outdoors, we perhaps
 fail to remember or heed those lessons. Frankly, as our technology allows us
 to avoid things like power outages and interrupted phone service more, I
 think sometimes the threats that Nature still presents seem to diminish.
 Even I-- with all of Mom's warnings in my head, and all the knowledge of
 such things a degree in Electrical Engineering brought--have in the past
 foolishly jumped into the shower in my second-floor bathroom with storms
 raging practically overhead. And Lord knows youngsters often dismiss such
 warnings as the superstitions of old folk.
 But as this event sadly shows, Nature is still supreme, and we really need
 to heed those old, country-sounding words of wisdom. To that effect, I'm
 posting a few tips on how to avoid lightning strikes gathered from the Net.
 Sorry for the link and the use of multiple sources, but I think the
 information is a quick read and just might save a life. If nothing else,
 please be sure you have a talk with your kids about it, so we don't have
 more stories like this sad one.

 *

 [http://www.ucar.edu/communications/infopack/lightning/faq.html#avoid

 Outdoors, the idea is to avoid being near--or being--the highest object
 around. Get away from isolated trees, metal fences, wire clotheslines, and
 the like, and avoid standing in an exposed area or near water. If you are
 the tallest thing around, or in a boat on open water, crouch down to reduce
 your height (but don't lie flat). Lay down metal sports equipment and
 dismount bicycles. Take especially swift action if your hair stands on end,
 as that means charged particles are starting to use your body as a pathway.
 The safest form of vehicle is one with a fully enclosed, all-metal body,
 which helps to channel electricity around the interior. Make sure the car's
 windows and doors are completely closed. Finally, remember that lightning
 can, and often does, strike the same spot more than once--even the same
 person. U.S. park ranger Roy Sullivan reportedly was struck seven times
 between 1942 and 1977.]

 

 http://www.hitthetrail.com/lightning.php

- If you're boating or swimming, get to land, get off the beach and
find shelter immediately. Stay away from rivers, lakes and other bodies of
water. Water is an excellent conductor of electricity and nearby lightning
strikes often travel through it.
- Whenever possible, take shelter in substantial, permanent, enclosed
structures, such as reinforced buildings. Avoid unprotected gazebos, rain 
 or
picnic shelters, baseball dugouts and bleachers; these structures are 
 often
isolated and located in otherwise open areas, making them a target for
lightning. Also, they're generally poorly anchored and can easily be
uprooted and blown over by strong thunderstorm winds. Lastly, these
structures offer little protection from large hail.
- If there are no reinforced buildings in sight, take shelter in a
car, truck or other hard