Re: [scots-l] GREEN HILLS O TYROL
In a message dated 9/13/00 4:15:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I haven't looked up the tune you refer to, but I seem to remember there are two tunes of that name. It's possible that the one you have is the reel version, which, if I remember correctly can be found in Ryan's/Cole's. >> Both versions are below, the first from Kerr's, the second I'm not sure where from, although its similar to the Ryan's/Cole's version. The story I heard about the 3/4 tune goes something like: "The melody is from the opera "William Tell" by Rossini. "Green Hills..." entered British army tradition when it was set for pipes by Pipe Major John MacLeod of the 93rd regiment (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders) during the Crimean War. The army had been joined by a contingent from Sardinia--modern Italy-- which included a magnificent military band that MacLeod heard one night playing selections from the ballet music of Rossini's opera. Thus it was that an Austrian folk tune first heard played by an Italian band in Russia entered Scottish ballad repertoire as the 'Scottish Soldier'." Not being an opera fan, I don't know whether or not the tune actually appears in the opera, or if it in fact was based on an Austrian folk tune. Anyone else heard this story? Also, I don't know when the lyrics were set to it. Regards, Andrew Kuntz T:Green Hills of Tyrol L:1/8 M:3/4 K:G DGA|B3 GBc|d3 eBe|dcAFAe|dBGDGA|B3 GBc|d3 eBe|dcADFA|G2 z:| ||G2|g4 fe|ed d2 e2|dc c2 d2|cB B2G2|g4 fe|ed d2e2|d^c c2 BA|d2 zAfA| e2 zA^cA|d3 AfA|e3 A^cA|de^cede|=cdBdAe|G2z||FGA|B3 FBF|B3 cBA| G3 DBD|G3 FGA|B3 FBF|B3 cBA|G3 DBD|G4 G2|g4 fe|ed d2e2| dc c2d2|cB B2G2|g4 fe|ed d2e2|dc c2f2|g2 z2|| T:Green Hills of Tyrol, The T:Tripping Up the Stairs R:Reel L:1/8 M:C| K:G "G"BG~G2 "G"BGAc|"G"BGDC "G"B,CDC|"G"B,G,B,D "C"ECEG| "D"FDEF "B/D#"GFGA|"Em"BGGF "Bm"~G3A|"C"BGDC "G"B,CDC| "G"~B,3D "C"~E3G|1 "D"FDEF "G"G2GA:|2"D"FDEF "G"G2ga|| |:"G"bg~g2 "G"egde|"C"cdBc "C"ABGA|"D"FGEF "D"DECD| "D"B,CA,B, "B/D#"G,A,B,D|"Em"GABc "Em"dBGB|"Cm6"ABcA"G/B"BGDC| "G"B,G,B,D "C"ECEG|1 "D"FDEF "G"G2ga:|2 "D"FDEF "G"G2GA|| Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] GREEN HILLS O TYROL
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are a few places where it's not obvious how to map the > syllables onto the notes. Any clues? I'd like to add the words to my > ABC version of the tune, and I'd like to get it right. I haven't looked up the tune you refer to, but I seem to remember there are two tunes of that name. It's possible that the one you have is the reel version, which, if I remember correctly can be found in Ryan's/Cole's. The song air is quite different. I'll try to dredge it out of my memory, although I know that Iain Young originally asked for a piano version. X:187 T:The Scottish Soldier T:Green Hills of Tyrol S:My memory Z:Nigel Gatherer M:3/4 L:1/8 K:A D|GA B2 BG|Bc d2 de|Be d>B AA|Ge d>c BD| GA B2 BG|Bc d2 de|Be d>B AA|AG B>A G2|] Oops - I can only remember the A part. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Scottish Music Pages: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/scottish/index.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Gin A Wis a Bird
Ower this past Labour Day A wis a bit bored at wirk, as nae bodie wis cawin in tae dispute their bills or abuse me fer th sheer hell o it. Sae A wraet a wee poem: GIN A WIS A BIRD Gin A wis a bird Hoo A'd fly thro th sky Flittin frae cloud tae cloud; Gin A wis an eagle Hoo majestic-like A'd soar Flittin frae bough o michtie green oak tae snaw-cappt promontorie; Gin A wis a crow Hoo A'd eat ma fill o th farmer's riches Bidin ma days sae free an blythe; Gin A wis a peacock Hoo A'd be lo'ed by aw Wi ma feathers colourt sae bonnie; Gin A wis a hawk Hoo A'd stalk th earth belaw Rainin doon death wi ma talons like dirks; An gin A wis a seagull Hoo A'd faw doon an dee Acause A wis stupit enough tae tak an Alka-Seltzer proffert. -Ian J. L. Adkins Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] BOUNCE scots-l@: Non-member submission from ["Phil Howes"] (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:32:46 -0700 Subject: BOUNCE scots-l@:Non-member submission from ["Phil Howes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Sep 13 08:32:46 2000 Received: from mail1.rdc2.on.home.com (mail1.rdc2.on.home.com [24.9.0.40]) by argyll.wisemagic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16768 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:32:45 -0700 Received: from p2400 ([24.64.138.46]) by mail1.rdc2.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <2913153839.VRIP14434.mail1.rdc2.on.home.com@p2400> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:38:39 -0700 Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Phil Howes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [scots-l] Re: Sheet music (fwd) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal I have been following this thread and looking everywhere for a book that has this tune it it but to no avail, which I m\was very surprised at. It is a very popular singalong type of tune. All of the tunes I have come across for this title are reels - and the one we need here is the 3/4 march that pipers like to play - so I made an ABC of the one I know for these words. Caveat: This is the first time I have used ABC so I am actually quite pleased with the result but apologize for the lack of finesse. It should give the idea: Here goes: X: 1 T:Green Hills of Tyroll (Scottish Soldier) M:3/4 L:1/4 K:G D/2E/2|FF/2E/2F/2G/2| AA/2B/2F/2B/2 |A/2G/2EE/2B/2 | A/2F/2DD/2E/2|! |FF/2E/2F/2G/2| AA/2B/2F/2B/2 |A/2G/2E E/2D/2|F/2E/2DF/2A/2|! d d c/2 B/2| B/2 A/2 A A/2 B/2| A/2 G/2 E E/2 B/2 | A/2 G/2F F/2A/2 |! d d c/2 B/2| B/2 A/2 A A/2 B/2| A A/2 G/2 F/2 G/2 |A2F/2A/2|! d d c/2 B/2| B/2 A/2 A A/2 B/2| A/2 G/2 E E/2 B/2 | A/2 G/2F F/2A/2 |! d d c/2 B/2| B/2 A/2 A A/2 B/2| A A/2 G/2 F/2 E/2 | D2 % Output from ABC2Win Version 2.1 i on 9/13/2000 Phil Howes [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scots-l] Re: Sheet music (fwd) Ian writes: | No GIF of the sheetmusic, but I have Scots lyrics anyway. If someone might | have the ABC we could tell him how to go about converting it to sheet music. You can get PS or GIF or PNG by going to my tune finder: http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/findtune.html Give it a pattern like "green.*tyrol" and it'll give you a page that let's you fetch the tune in several formats. | GREEN HILLS O TYROL | | Ther wis a sodger, a Scottish sodger | Wha wandert far awa an sodgert far awa | Ther wis nane bolder, wi guid broad shoulders | He fecht in monie a fray an fecht an won | .. There are a few places where it's not obvious how to map the syllables onto the notes. Any clues? I'd like to add the words to my ABC version of the tune, and I'd like to get it right. I've played this tune for years, of course, but I've only heard it sung a couple of times. It would also be nice if we could find out just where these words originated. It'd be nice to include proper attribution, y'know. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] BOUNCE scots-l@: Non-member submission from ["Flowers, Ross (MTO)"] (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:48:10 -0700 Subject: BOUNCE scots-l@:Non-member submission from ["Flowers, Ross (MTO)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Sep 13 07:48:09 2000 Received: from mtodsams01.mto.gov.on.ca (mtodsams01.mto.gov.on.ca [142.142.15.5]) by argyll.wisemagic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16665 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:48:09 -0700 Received: by MTODSAMS01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:52:27 -0400 Message-ID: <71EF7727883FD311A6530008C79152F804F19DF0@MTODSAMS03> From: "Flowers, Ross (MTO)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [scots-l] Re: Sheet music (fwd) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:52:24 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone know when this tune was written and whether the tune predated the lyrics? Thanks Ross -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scots-l] Re: Sheet music (fwd) Ian writes: | No GIF of the sheetmusic, but I have Scots lyrics anyway. If someone might | have the ABC we could tell him how to go about converting it to sheet music. You can get PS or GIF or PNG by going to my tune finder: http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/findtune.html Give it a pattern like "green.*tyrol" and it'll give you a page that let's you fetch the tune in several formats. | GREEN HILLS O TYROL | | Ther wis a sodger, a Scottish sodger | Wha wandert far awa an sodgert far awa | Ther wis nane bolder, wi guid broad shoulders | He fecht in monie a fray an fecht an won | .. There are a few places where it's not obvious how to map the syllables onto the notes. Any clues? I'd like to add the words to my ABC version of the tune, and I'd like to get it right. I've played this tune for years, of course, but I've only heard it sung a couple of times. It would also be nice if we could find out just where these words originated. It'd be nice to include proper attribution, y'know. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Hector the Hero
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Timothy Jaques wrote: > > To think that people in the UK actually PAY for the privilege of having a > TV. It astounds me that a hundred pounds could be so spent when there is so > much good beer and whisky to be had over there.:) They get shafted on per-minute Internet access as well. Has anyone found a way around that yet? Are there any good free services that circumvent the phone companies? > Television is so hard to escape. It seems like every club or pub has at > least one blaring, usually a massive theatre style unit. Quite often it is > kept on even once the band comes on stage, assuming that one is lucky enough > to find a place that still books live music. Alot of pubs won't have live music, I guess they figure why bother when you've Seinfeld. :-) > Now, if there was only something I could do to stop this spread of fast food > chains -- I understand that even the French are eating at them now . . . It's too late. The best we can hope for are more good fast food chains as opposed to bad ones. Tim Horton's beats most of what we have here. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Old Time Wedding Reels
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Nigel Gatherer wrote: > Nigel Gatherer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [re "Hamish the Carpenter"] > > > ...the setting I've used is based on the way The Boys of the Lough > > play it... > > Derek Hoy: "That's a bit different to the settings I've heard..." > John Erdman: "This really is quite different than the version I learned..." > > Yes. I always have learners and improvers in mind, which is why I > considered a simple version. I'm well aware of the versions in > "Traditional Celtic Violin Music of Cape Breton", but that book goes into > too much detail. That's fine for experienced players, but learners want a > basic version that they can play, not all the minute variations and > idiosyncrasies. And Toby's plea that the 4th string unisons are preserved > worries me: a whistle player might have a fit trying to emulate this! True, those don't work except on fretless string instruments. Too bad. They're really what makes that tune "Hamish The Carpenter" interesting. > John Erdman posted Sandy MacIntyre's setting, which is much better than > the one I posted. The visits down to the G string in the B part sound > spectacular, but again, learners would simply move on to the next tune, in > my opinion. I'd like to use roughly Sandy MacIntyre's setting, without the > low Bs. Do those hits on the backstrings work on instruments other then the fiddle? Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Sheet music (fwd)
<< You can get PS or GIF or PNG by going to my tune finder: http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/findtune.html Give it a pattern like "green.*tyrol" and it'll give you a page that let's you fetch the tune in several formats. >> That was pretty spiffy! I found the tune and forwarded it to the fellow who E-mailed Toby directly. << I've played this tune for years, of course, but I've only heard it sung a couple of times. It would also be nice if we could find out just where these words originated. It'd be nice to include proper attribution, y'know. >> The words I provided may or may not be authoritative, being rendered from memory. Might want to venture over to DigiTrad or the like and dig them up. --Ian Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Sheet music (fwd)
> << The lyrics posted were interesting, as this is one of those 'created' > songs and not traditional, is copyright of Kerrs Music, Glasgow. The lyrics > were never written in vernacular Scots accent - none of the song is in > dialect and it does not use any archaisms - and the lyrics are written out > by the publishers in standard English. So seeing it carefully 'written in an > accent' is something new! >> > > I've never seen the lyrics in print, so I was writing from memory. When > in doubt I prefer to write in Scots over "th Sudren leid." :) > > << It is missing from nearly all other traditional song books because a) > it's not traditional but a commercial pop song of its day b) it is probably > still in copyright. Nor is the tune Scots; it's a 'tyrolean' waltz! But it's > still a much loved song and the disdain shown towards it by traditional > singers probably has a lot to do with the manner and style of the original. >>> > > Whatever is traditional was at one point popular, undoubtedly displacing > an older style of music and set of tunes. So a lot of this sentimental > Victorian pap (to paraphrase Jack regarding "Scotland the Brave" some time > back) and the later Harry Lauder-era stuff will eventually pass into the > realm of tradition. The advent of the recording industry will strain that > rule, however-- I can't imagine three hundred years from now anyone > describing Britney Spears as traditional! > > > --Ian > I've got an idea that the song is more recent than it should be. I did see the history of this somewhere and I can't remember exactly where, but I think it dates from the recording era. I have a couple of dozen source music books and most are earlier, but I may have a look in some of the later ones - perhaps it's a Jimmy MacGregor book or something like that. If I find anything I'll post the info. As far as I can tell from my various older books, sentimental pap has been around for 300 years! The main advantage of the early stuff is that it is unsingable unless you happen to be a shepherd called Strephon :-) DK Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Sheet music (fwd)
<< The lyrics posted were interesting, as this is one of those 'created' songs and not traditional, is copyright of Kerrs Music, Glasgow. The lyrics were never written in vernacular Scots accent - none of the song is in dialect and it does not use any archaisms - and the lyrics are written out by the publishers in standard English. So seeing it carefully 'written in an accent' is something new! >> I've never seen the lyrics in print, so I was writing from memory. When in doubt I prefer to write in Scots over "th Sudren leid." :) << It is missing from nearly all other traditional song books because a) it's not traditional but a commercial pop song of its day b) it is probably still in copyright. Nor is the tune Scots; it's a 'tyrolean' waltz! But it's still a much loved song and the disdain shown towards it by traditional singers probably has a lot to do with the manner and style of the original. >> Whatever is traditional was at one point popular, undoubtedly displacing an older style of music and set of tunes. So a lot of this sentimental Victorian pap (to paraphrase Jack regarding "Scotland the Brave" some time back) and the later Harry Lauder-era stuff will eventually pass into the realm of tradition. The advent of the recording industry will strain that rule, however-- I can't imagine three hundred years from now anyone describing Britney Spears as traditional! --Ian Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] good quote
Jack Campin (Scots musician and social historian, uk.music.folk regular) sent me a GIF image of a guittar duet published by Bremner in the mid 1700s of this piece. I've assembled it for a single Tacoma Papoose (about the same size as a Scottish guittar of the period) tuned GDgcea and put it on my mp3.com. Streaming RealAudio of this sounds AWFUL - unbelievably warbly and garbled - and I found the the LAME mp3 encoder algorithm was very bad with it too, ended up trying several encoders before I got a decent sound from this tiny high pitched instrument. The so-called hi-fi mp3 file is fine, in the end, and gives a reasonable rendering of how the Papoose's built-in piezo records. It is strung with 12-56 phosphor bronze 'nameless' web sourced strings and put through a Trace TAP-1 with Trace 'shape' switched on (the pickup in my Papoose is passive). The recording lasts just under 4 minutes and goes through the two main parts of this awful 18th century march several times. Jack says the Edinburgh Trained Bands were ineffectual middle-class voluntary police organisations and you can easily imagine them playing this on bugles or hunting horns while marching, with all the quality of a Mexican wedding party band! Due to the Handel-esque dotted rythm parts of it are really unpleasant to play, but overall the effect is rewardingly, er, different. http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/900/900446.html David Kilpatrick Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Sheet music (fwd)
Ian writes: | No GIF of the sheetmusic, but I have Scots lyrics anyway. If someone might | have the ABC we could tell him how to go about converting it to sheet music. You can get PS or GIF or PNG by going to my tune finder: http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/findtune.html Give it a pattern like "green.*tyrol" and it'll give you a page that let's you fetch the tune in several formats. | GREEN HILLS O TYROL | | Ther wis a sodger, a Scottish sodger | Wha wandert far awa an sodgert far awa | Ther wis nane bolder, wi guid broad shoulders | He fecht in monie a fray an fecht an won | .. There are a few places where it's not obvious how to map the syllables onto the notes. Any clues? I'd like to add the words to my ABC version of the tune, and I'd like to get it right. I've played this tune for years, of course, but I've only heard it sung a couple of times. It would also be nice if we could find out just where these words originated. It'd be nice to include proper attribution, y'know. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] good quote
>At 07:58 PM 9/12/2000 -0400, Jeff Friedman wrote: >>His >>playing is on the level of Mssr Greenberg, in that I mean that there is a >>story being told in every bowstroke, and chapters being "yarned" in every >>tune. > >David - I didn't put anyone up to this.. really!! :-) > >Wendy Could make a good quote for publicity, eh?! - Kate -- Kate Dunlay & David Greenberg Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada http://www.total.net/~dungreen Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Hector the Hero
- Original Message - From: Toby A. Rider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [scots-l] Hector the Hero > > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Jack Campin wrote: > > > > I was fairly impressed with the first of the Radio Scotland programmes > > about Skinner - gave a good feel of the times. I certainly didn't know > > about him going messages for Peter Milne's drugs. (Who was that "Aly > > MacBain" who was playing the fiddle, though? Any relation of Ally Beal > > in the TV series?) > > > > Oh no, don't tell me you actually get American network television > in Scotland. Can anyone anywhere be spared the evil influences of American > TV?? :-) I am spared, Toby. I gave my TV away more than five years ago, and hadn't watched it for a year before that. I was going to have an execution ceremony in the woods up north, with the TV powered by an adaptor rigged to the car cigarette lighter. While some stupid sitcom aired, I would blow it to high heaven with a 12 gauge shotgun. However, my niece pleaded for its life and I gave it to her on the condition that it was never to be turned on in my presence. Well, unless The Simpsons were on, of course, but I wasn't going to keep a TV for one show.:) To think that people in the UK actually PAY for the privilege of having a TV. It astounds me that a hundred pounds could be so spent when there is so much good beer and whisky to be had over there.:) Television is so hard to escape. It seems like every club or pub has at least one blaring, usually a massive theatre style unit. Quite often it is kept on even once the band comes on stage, assuming that one is lucky enough to find a place that still books live music. Now, if there was only something I could do to stop this spread of fast food chains -- I understand that even the French are eating at them now . . . Timothy Jaques [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windsor, Ontario, Canada 519.254.6433 T 519.254.7990 F 13092767653 IF "In the great conflict of life, conducting yourself with honour and integrity may cost you many battles, but will never lose you the war." Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] new subscription flood?
Derek Hoy wrote: > Mike asked: > > I have a fiddle and would like to learn how to play it. Does anyone > > know of a teacher in the Dunfermline area with the patience to teach a > > 43 year old? > Not quite, but I know someone in Dunfermline who's been learning through > the ALP evening classes in Edinburgh. If you can manage a 7-9 weekly > class then try them on 0131 337 5442. Visit www.alpscotsmusic.org for more details. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Scottish Music Pages: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/scottish/index.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Old Time Wedding Reels
Nigel Gatherer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [re "Hamish the Carpenter"] > ...the setting I've used is based on the way The Boys of the Lough > play it... Derek Hoy: "That's a bit different to the settings I've heard..." John Erdman: "This really is quite different than the version I learned..." Yes. I always have learners and improvers in mind, which is why I considered a simple version. I'm well aware of the versions in "Traditional Celtic Violin Music of Cape Breton", but that book goes into too much detail. That's fine for experienced players, but learners want a basic version that they can play, not all the minute variations and idiosyncrasies. And Toby's plea that the 4th string unisons are preserved worries me: a whistle player might have a fit trying to emulate this! John Erdman posted Sandy MacIntyre's setting, which is much better than the one I posted. The visits down to the G string in the B part sound spectacular, but again, learners would simply move on to the next tune, in my opinion. I'd like to use roughly Sandy MacIntyre's setting, without the low Bs. I'll explore the various settings of the other two Wedding Reels. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Scottish Music Pages: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/scottish/index.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] new subscription flood?
At 07:58 PM 9/12/2000 -0400, Jeff Friedman wrote: >I suspect the term aggresive arrogance could be used to define attitude. His >playing is on the level of Mssr Greenberg, in that I mean that there is a >story being told in every bowstroke, and chapters being "yarned" in every >tune. David - I didn't put anyone up to this.. really!! :-) Wendy Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] new subscription flood?
At 11:43 AM 9/12/2000 -0700, "Toby A. Rider wrote: > > >On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Jeffrey Friedman wrote: > >> Regarding the your comments on the Wedding Reels: I've just encountered a >> couple of CD's by a fiddler named John Campbell. I guess you might say he >> has an impressive style. I'm being very understated here. I have to ask a >> difficult question, as your "word" is not one I've encountered regarding >> this type of music. Define "Attitude", please. I think I can hear it, but >> can't quite verbalize it. >> Thanks, Jeff > > > Ha..ha..ha.. When you finally get a chance to talk to John >Campbell, you will understand what I mean by "attitude". I'm using >"attitude" as a positive adjective here. John Campbell is a lion of a man. > I think his style of playing very well reflects some elements of his >personality. Granted I don't know him very well, Wendy knows him better then I >do. Maybe she can elaborate. > I think his playing is very straight-forward, intense and >powerful, yet intricate in the way that he's constantly changing subtle things. I think you hit a very important point there. He does keep you guessing somewhat, which in my [limited] experience does seem in keeping with his personality. Over the past year and a half I've been to two individual workshops with him in New Hampshire, and then the week at Ceilidh Trail, a month ago. I wrote to him once after the first workshop, and had spoken with him on phone several times between that and the second workshop, and after the second one he still didn't remember who I was.. But when I arrived at Ceilidh Trail on the first morning, my friend Kate greeted me by telling me that two people had been asking "where's Wendy?" - and that one of them was John Campbell. Hmm.. :-) And you never quite know what he's going to spring on you in the workshops either. I started out that week with the beginner group, and ended up switching to the intermediates on the third day. For the inter- mediates, John's class was the first one of the day. Well, halfway through the class, in the midst of some discussion, he stopped, looked across the room straight at me and said "Play something." There was no getting out of that one..:-) If I remember correctly I stumbled through Jessie Smith. Later I found out he'd been doing that with each of the each the interme- diate students. But he definitely does keep you on toes and guessing as to what's coming next! Wendy Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Sheet music (fwd)
The lyrics posted were interesting, as this is one of those 'created' songs and not traditional, is copyright of Kerrs Music, Glasgow. The lyrics were never written in vernacular Scots accent - none of the song is in dialect and it does not use any archaisms - and the lyrics are written out by the publishers in standard English. So seeing it carefully 'written in an accent' is something new! >> > I am trying to source the sheet music (organ / piano) for the tune > Scottish Soldier / The Green Hills of Tyrol. >> > >> > It is to be played at my Grandfather's funeral (19/9) and I am > struggling to find the music for the Church organist. >> > >> > Can you help ? >> > The words and a tape of the music are on the (Ossian, I think) 100 Scots Songs book which most music shops carry - the long thin one which can be slipped into a pocket, and comes on a carrier sheet with the tape attached. I believe there is also a melody line book. It is missing from nearly all other traditional song books because a) it's not traditional but a commercial pop song of its day b) it is probably still in copyright. Nor is the tune Scots; it's a 'tyrolean' waltz! But it's still a much loved song and the disdain shown towards it by traditional singers probably has a lot to do with the manner and style of the original. David Kilpatrick -- Subscribe to our magazines by secure CC transaction - get Freelance Photographer, The Master Photographer or Minolta Image: http://www.freelancephotographer.co.uk/ Make me rich! Buy my CD or listen to my songs and instrumentals: http://www.mp3.com/DavidKilpatrick Personal website: http://www.maxwellplace.demon.co.uk/pandemonium/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Hector the Hero
Derek Hoy wrote: > Wasn't there a sad story behind the eponymous 'Hector'? > I seem to recall he was much decorated in the military, then committed > some 'unspeakable' act, and ... suicide? Anselm forwarded a potted history to the list a while ago. In 1903 he was accused of being a homosexual and committed suicide. His life before that seems to have been nothing but battles and honours. . Major-General Hector A. MacDonald 1857 - Born in the Black Ilse 1870 - Enlisted in 92nd Gordon Highlanders 1879 - Served as a colour-sergeant in the Afghan War 1880 - Promoted to 2nd Lieutenant at end of Afghan War 1881 - Mentioned in despatches in 1st Boer Ware, South Africa 1885 - Led military expedition up Nile (Sudan) 1888 - Took part in Battle of Sunkin (Sudan) 1889 - Won Distinguished Service Order (DSO) medal (Sudan service) 1891 - Took part in Battle of Tokar (Sudan) 1896 - Led 2nd Infantry Brigade - the Dunglen Expeditionary Force (Sudan). Was now a Brigadier-General. May have been promoted about this time. 1897/98 - Khartoum - Battle of Omdurman 1898 - ADC (Ade de Camp) to the Queen (Victoria) 1899 - Served as a Brigadier-General in Sirhind area of India 1900 - Served as a Major-General with Highland Brigade in South Africa 1901 - Knighted 1902 - Served as a Major-General with forces in Ceylon 1903 - Accused of being a homosexual. Committed suicide. Sources: Campbell, David, "Major-Gneral Hector A. MacDonald", Douglas Howard, London, 1903. Chambers Biographical Dictionary. . -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Scottish Music Pages: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/scottish/index.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Hector the Hero
Wasn't there a sad story behind the eponymous 'Hector'? I seem to recall he was much decorated in the military, then committed some 'unspeakable' act, and ... suicide? Anyone got the facts? Derek Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
