[scots-l] Re: Scots Music Quiz

[Nigel Gatherer]

Jack Campin wrote:

> I would need books to answer most of those (especially number 10)...

Surely not? Anyway, it's early yet, but it may be that this time around
the questions are too hard. Perhaps answers should now be accepted one
at a time. Who knows, it may even provoke some discussion on Scots-L!
OK, perhaps I'm hoping for too much.

> ...I suspect the answer you're going to give to this one is the wrong
> way round:

> > Finally, what are the original Scottish tunes on which the following
> > are based:
> > 20. The Gallowglass (Ireland)

> Surely it's more likely that the Irish jig (or perhaps a march version
> thereof) came first?

Why do you say that? In order for a discussion to ensue, I ought to say
that the tune in question is "Niel Gow's Lament for his Brother."

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[scots-l] Re: Scots Music Quiz

[Nigel Gatherer]

In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   Ian J L Adkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> << 15. The Bonnets o' Bonnie Dundee >>

> Uh, Dundee?

Nope.

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Re: [scots-l] Sands of Kuwait

[Rita Hamilton]

One of the pipe bands that was in the last Gulf War lost someone. That tune came
from that incident and it's on a CD that the band produced...that's all I
know/remember.

Nigel Gatherer wrote:
> 
> One of my students has asked me for a tune, "The Sands of Kuwait". I
> think I might have it on a record somewhere, but I can't remember
> where. Does anyone have a transcription of it that they can let me have?
> 
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May neither your strings nor your spirit ever break,
May your harp and your soul always be in tune.
Rita
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Re: [scots-l] Re: Scots Music Quiz

[Carla and Bob Rogers]

I don't have a clue on any of the answers, but I'm looking forward to 
the discussion.

I have an easy question, I think. How did the "Jig of Slurs" get it's name?

For the fiddlers: The C part starts out: |:G2g gfg|agf gdB| How do you 
bow that? Using alternating bows puts the bow going in the wrong 
direction for the next G. I tried slurring the gdB, which plays well, 
but doesn't sound right.

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RE: [scots-l] Kilsyth?

[Ted Hastings]

I'm not sure.  I went there one night, but it was closed.

Regards,

Ted


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> Subject: [scots-l] Kilsyth?
> 
> 
>  Anyone been to Kilsyth? I have a friend who lives there now, says it's 
> boring, in his thick Glasgowegian brogue. Is he right? :-)
> 
> Toby
> 
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Re: [scots-l] Re: Scots Music Quiz

[Tappan]

I don't have a clue on any of the answers, but I'm looking forward 
to the discussion.

I have an easy question, I think. How did the "Jig of Slurs" get it's name?
I was told the tune as played by pipers uses an ornament they call a 
slur which I gather bears no relation to what fiddlers think is a 
slur. Pipers? Any truth to that?

For the fiddlers: The C part starts out: |:G2g gfg|agf gdB| How do 
you bow that? Using alternating bows puts the bow going in the wrong 
direction for the next G. I tried slurring the gdB, which plays 
well, but doesn't sound right.
I bow it: down, down, up-down-up, down-up-down, up-down-up, with the 
first down being short and sort of staccato - I'm not sure I'm using 
the right terms. I use the same bowing for the rest of the phrases 
that are similar in that section.

Jan Tappan
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[scots-l] Re: Scots Music Quiz

[Nigel Gatherer]

Wendy Galovich wrote:

> > 2. What the connects the titles of these old Scottish reels: "John
> > of Badenyon;" "Och a Chiallain;" "Cuir sa Chiste Mhoir Mi."

> Oh oh oh... I know this one. :-) In the Cape Breton tradition they
> are commonly known as the wedding reels...

The first correct answer! The tunes are also known as "Cape Breton
Wedding Reel" numbers 1,2 and 3, or "Old Time Wedding Reels" 1,2,3.

> The first Cape Breton fiddle recording ever made was of the "wedding
> reel set" and was recorded by Angus Chisholm, Dan J. Campbell (John's
> father) and Angus Gillis. The record company paid them $100 Canadian
> and traveling expenses...

The fiddler in question 8 recorded ten tracks in 1931 and got paid five
pounds for the whole session, plus his train fare.

So where are the other attempts? Derek must be away. What about Ted?
Last year's champion not about?

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Re: [scots-l] Benjamin Franklin on Scottish music

[Kate Dunlay or David Greenberg]

Jack Campin wrote:

he thought that the harmony arose from *successive*
tones in the music - each note harmonizing with its predecessors, and
the sequence of intervals being chosen to make this work, which implies
a preference for melodic intervals wider than a tone.
I don't know very much about harps so I can't even speculate on your 
main question.  I do like the track on Grainne Yeats' recording (now in 
double CD format) which is played as written in that scrap of a 
manuscript supposedly notated by O Carolan's son.  The accompaniment to 
the melody is an interesting bass line which doesn't seem to have much 
to do with chords.  I got the impression that it worked along the lines 
as written above.

- Kate D.

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Re: Jig of Slurs (was [scots-l] Re: Scots Music Quiz)

[Steve Wyrick]

Tappan wrote:

[Carla and Bob Rogers wrote]:
>> For the fiddlers: The C part starts out: |:G2g gfg|agf gdB| How do
>> you bow that? Using alternating bows puts the bow going in the wrong
>> direction for the next G. I tried slurring the gdB, which plays
>> well, but doesn't sound right.
> 
> I bow it: down, down, up-down-up, down-up-down, up-down-up, with the
> first down being short and sort of staccato - I'm not sure I'm using
> the right terms. I use the same bowing for the rest of the phrases
> that are similar in that section.

The version I use, from the SF Fiddle Club tune archive, is written as
|:G3/2g/g gfg... with similar meter for the rest of the section (i.e., the
first 3 notes in each measure is lilted and the 2nd are "straight), except
for the last 2 measures which are all lilted.  The bowing they use
throughout the section is down up down up-up-up, with a single bow on each
note of the last 2 measures.  This seems to work fine although I'll admit I
haven't worked much on this tune and might want to change the bowings if I
start adding ornaments.
-- 
Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California


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Re: [scots-l] Sands of Kuwait

[Jack Campin]

> One of my students has asked me for a tune, "The Sands of Kuwait".
> I think I might have it on a record somewhere, but I can't remember
> where. Does anyone have a transcription of it that they can let me
> have?

If you can listen to tonight's "Take the Floor" - it's on-demand from
the Radio Scotland website for the next week - you can hear the Gary
Forrest band playing it.

Strange-sounding tune, it comes across as if the whole thing was based
on a pipe cadence figure.


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Re: [scots-l] Re: Scots Music Quiz

[Ian J L Adkins]

Well, there goes all my aspirations for riches and glory...!


Nigel Gatherer said:
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Ian J L Adkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> << 15. The Bonnets o' Bonnie Dundee >>
>
>> Uh, Dundee?
>
> Nope.
>
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[scots-l] Re: Scots Music Quiz

[Philip Whittaker]

Dear Nigel,

Thanks for your Quiz. Extremely tricky, but fun for all that. I hope we'll
have all the answers soon. Till then here's my attempt


5. Which Scottish harper is also celebrated as an artist in engraved
glass?
Alision Kinaird


6. Which song is quoted here: "Now the summer's in prime, wi' the
flowers richly blooming, And the wild mountain thyme a' the moorlands
perfuming..."

Is this the Braes of Balquidder? - the original version of the very famous
"Wild Mountain Thyme" by the MacPeake family

8. He was from Dundee, and in 1921 at age eleven he saw Scott Skinner
perform at the Caird Hall. His own recording began with Beltona in
1931, and he played with many of Scotland's top musicians. His popular
compositions include "Lament for Will Starr" and "J B Milne." Who is he?

Hector McAndrew?

12. The Dark Island - I did not grow up in Scotland so cannot name the
soap opera that this was theme for. I learnt in from the playing of
Alistair Anderson about 30 years ago - before those words got attached to
it!

14. Teribus - HAwick

15. Bonnie Dundee
AS a one time fan of the Jacobite cause I spotted the trick in Nigel's
question. Bonnie Dundee is the name given to Claverhouse;

To the Lords of Convention t'was Claverhouse spoke..

He died leading the Jacobites to victory at.(I had to check using
Google for this) Killikrankie.

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