[Scottish] defy id card meeting
There was previously interest from people on this list regarding ID cards, more particularly opposing them (and the database ...) so I hope this isn't considered too spammy. We're having an informal meeting to discuss both the current situation and what we can do to oppose it: Tuesday 8th Febraury, 7:30pm Carnarvon pub. Carnarvon St. Between St Georges Cross and Charing Cross on St Georges Rd. We'll be in one of the nooks. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=258013&Y=666277&A=Y&Z=1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- "I give mankind no more than a chance in a thousand. But I would not be human if I did not place my stake on this one chance." Albert Camus /"\ \ /ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL X - AGAINST PROPRIETARY ATTACHMENTS / \ ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
So if you dont oppose the ID cards then you best not appear at this meeting then? Or would it be safe to attend even if you think its actually a good idea? Bye Charles McCrimmon (Specis) Alice wrote: There was previously interest from people on this list regarding ID cards, more particularly opposing them (and the database ...) so I hope this isn't considered too spammy. We're having an informal meeting to discuss both the current situation and what we can do to oppose it: Tuesday 8th Febraury, 7:30pm Carnarvon pub. Carnarvon St. Between St Georges Cross and Charing Cross on St Georges Rd. We'll be in one of the nooks. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=258013&Y=666277&A=Y&Z=1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.3 - Release Date: 31/01/2005 ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 18:57 +, Alice wrote: > We're having an informal meeting to discuss both the current situation > and > what we can do to oppose it: > Tuesday 8th Febraury, 7:30pm > Carnarvon pub. Carnarvon St. Between St Georges Cross and Charing > Cross on St > Georges Rd. We'll be in one of the nooks. Is this related to no2id at all? May as well all work together to escape the jackboot'd heel of El Clark. - Aidan -- Aidan Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://aidan.skinner.me.uk You'll either be a union man or vote for GH Blair ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
Uhm I am actually for ID cards. Does this mean NoBeer? Aidan Skinner wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 18:57 +, Alice wrote: We're having an informal meeting to discuss both the current situation and what we can do to oppose it: Tuesday 8th Febraury, 7:30pm Carnarvon pub. Carnarvon St. Between St Georges Cross and Charing Cross on St Georges Rd. We'll be in one of the nooks. Is this related to no2id at all? May as well all work together to escape the jackboot'd heel of El Clark. - Aidan ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 00:01 +, Figjam wrote: > Uhm I am actually for ID cards. Does this mean NoBeer? Only if you're on the list of people deemed to dangerous to drink. Please provide the ID cards of everybody you're buying a round for. - Aidan -- Aidan Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://aidan.skinner.me.uk You'll either be a union man or vote for GH Blair ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
--- Charles McCrimmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So if you dont oppose the ID cards then you best not appear at this > meeting then? Or would it be safe to attend even if you think its > actually a good idea? Well this particular meeting is to get together people who oppose the cards already so we can organise ourselves, and so someone supporting the cards would be about as welcome as a microsoft salesman at a linux install fest. But we will probably have an open meeting at some point to discuss all the issues involved, and you would be very welcome to come along and debate with us then. I answered Aidan offlist, but I basically said that our group is not affiliated to any national umbrella group, but we are happy to work with any of them. I don't know if no2id are doing anything in glasgow - they seemed pretty london based? Anyway, I'm sorry for abusing this list. Discussions might be better on our list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- "I give mankind no more than a chance in a thousand. But I would not be human if I did not place my stake on this one chance." Albert Camus /"\ \ /ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - NO HTML MAIL X - NO PROPRIETARY ATTACHMENTS / \ ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
Alice wrote: --- Charles McCrimmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So if you dont oppose the ID cards then you best not appear at this meeting then? Or would it be safe to attend even if you think its actually a good idea? Well this particular meeting is to get together people who oppose the cards already so we can organise ourselves, and so someone supporting the cards would be about as welcome as a microsoft salesman at a linux install fest. Well, just as with a Microsoft salesman at a Linux (pah! get a real OS, like NetBSD!) installfest would probably get to make his pitch before having a million holes picked in it, I would like to hear some clearly thought out reasons for having ID cards. Then we can laugh and throw buns. Gordon. ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
RE: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
*** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. *** > --- Charles McCrimmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So if you dont oppose the ID cards then you best not appear at this > > meeting then? Or would it be safe to attend even if you think its > > actually a good idea? > > Well this particular meeting is to get together people who > oppose the cards already so we can organise ourselves, and so > someone supporting the cards would be about as welcome as a > microsoft salesman at a linux install fest. Bearing in mind I'm a Civil Servant and thus manage to maintain public neutrality on this issue with all the aplomb the job entails I assume then that this restriction will apply to me, as an employee of the Government seeking to introduce this measure? Would I have to show ID to prove that I didn't work for the Civil Service? cds The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Energis in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
RE: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
*** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. *** > Well, just as with a Microsoft salesman at a Linux (pah! get > a real OS, > like NetBSD!) installfest would probably get to make his pitch before > having a million holes picked in it, I would like to hear > some clearly > thought out reasons for having ID cards. Then we can laugh > and throw buns. You might even persuade them. I have regular free and frank exchanges of views with the Microsoft Pro Contractor at our place cds The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Energis in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
RE: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
huh?? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Bearing in mind I'm a Civil Servant and thus manage to maintain public > neutrality on this issue with all the aplomb the job entails I assume > then that this restriction will apply to me, as an employee of the > Government seeking to introduce this measure? Thats up to you. If you don't want to come because it'll risk your job, then you shouldn't come. Otherwise, how would anybody know you're a civil servant if you keep your head down? > Would I have to show ID to prove that I didn't work for the Civil > Service? The meeting's in a pub, its not in some knock 5 times, roll up your trouser leg and say the secret password private club. This is not related to Colin's email: If someone's sole reason for coming to the meeting is to be disruptive or argue about the cards, than obviously I'd rather they didn't show up, because this is a relaunch meeting for a campaign group, and it'd be a bit disrespectful of everyone's time, as well as self important to think that the most important use of our collective time is to argue with a single person, when there's 5 million other folks in Scotland, and 58 million in the UK as a whole. Its also a bit arrogant - I'm sure you are a unique and special individual, but maybe we have thought of and already discarded those points. = -- "I give mankind no more than a chance in a thousand. But I would not be human if I did not place my stake on this one chance." Albert Camus /"\ \ /ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - NO HTML MAIL X - NO PROPRIETARY ATTACHMENTS / \ ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
Alice wrote: This is not related to Colin's email: If someone's sole reason for coming to the meeting is to be disruptive or argue about the cards, than obviously I'd rather they didn't show up, because this is a relaunch meeting for a campaign group, and it'd be a bit disrespectful of everyone's time, as well as self important to think that the most important use of our collective time is to argue with a single person, when there's 5 million other folks in Scotland, and 58 million in the UK as a whole. Its also a bit arrogant - I'm sure you are a unique and special individual, but maybe we have thought of and already discarded those points. I know this wasnt aimed at me, but as i asked i'd also like to answer that, i asked solely out of curiosity. I had no intention of attending to do nothing but cause arguments. I just wondered if the meething was going to be open to people from both sides of the fence on the matter as you already stated there is 5 Million people in scotland and this rule might just be getting put into force for the same reasons thats your rallying against where the view of a few are taken before the view of the majority. I've heard a few reasons against the cards and didnt really think they were "Big" enought in my own view to bother going against the idea. And i'd probably like to hear any other views on it incase it does sway me over. But i understand that the initial meeting isnt a place for that kind of discussion and i respect your view on the matter and will not be attending this time. But when your ready for maybe an open discussion on this matter then please keep me in the loop. Bye Charles McCrimmon (Specis) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 03/02/2005 ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
Preaching to the converted is just so much more fulfilling. Alice wrote: This is not related to Colin's email: If someone's sole reason for coming to the meeting is to be disruptive or argue about the cards, than obviously I'd rather they didn't show up, because this is a relaunch meeting for a campaign group, and it'd be a bit disrespectful of everyone's time, as well as self important to think that the most important use of our collective time is to argue with a single person, when there's 5 million other folks in Scotland, and 58 million in the UK as a whole. Its also a bit arrogant - I'm sure you are a unique and special individual, but maybe we have thought of and already discarded those points. I'm equally sure you will form a unique and special group, but maybe we* have thought of and already discarded your points. * For "we" perhaps read "SLUG", "the other folks in Scotland", or maybe even the Goverment but you can certainly conclude that I'm not interested in listening to a group of people who think themself above listening to me should my point of view differ from theirs. Thanks, Allan -- Save Earth! It's the only planet with chocolate! ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:17:16 +, Allan Whiteford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Preaching to the converted is just so much more fulfilling. > >Alice wrote: >> >> This is not related to Colin's email: >> If someone's sole reason for coming to the meeting is to be disruptive or >> argue about the cards, than obviously I'd rather they didn't show up, because >> this is a relaunch meeting for a campaign group, and it'd be a bit >> disrespectful of everyone's time, as well as self important to think that the >> most important use of our collective time is to argue with a single person, >> when there's 5 million other folks in Scotland, and 58 million in the UK as a >> whole. Its also a bit arrogant - I'm sure you are a unique and special >> individual, but maybe we have thought of and already discarded those points. >> > >I'm equally sure you will form a unique and special group, but maybe we* >have thought of and already discarded your points. > >* For "we" perhaps read "SLUG", "the other folks in Scotland", or maybe >even the Goverment but you can certainly conclude that I'm not >interested in listening to a group of people who think themself above >listening to me should my point of view differ from theirs. > I may well be doing Alice a disservice, email is such a tricky medium for judging intention correctly, but it comes across as a group perpetuating itself and its organisation. I'm sure I'm probably wrong but it might be worth talking to other anti-ID groups to make sure that you aren't dispersing your effort. Thing to avoid is the Judean Peoples Front type infighting. Best of luck, and remember people who disagree with you might not be evil. cds -- In Absentia Luci, Tenebrae Vincit!<*> c.speirs @ equus . demon . co . uk ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:54:36PM +, Colin Speirs wrote: > Thing to avoid is the Judean Peoples Front type infighting. You've never been to an SSP/SWP meeting... I can tell... ;-) Billy. ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:52:15 +, Billy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:54:36PM +, Colin Speirs wrote: >> Thing to avoid is the Judean Peoples Front type infighting. > > >You've never been to an SSP/SWP meeting... I can tell... ;-) > Absolutely correct. But I've been to enough other committee structured things and known enough political activist types to have seen this sort of thing up close and personal. cds -- In Absentia Luci, Tenebrae Vincit!<*> c.speirs @ equus . demon . co . uk ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting - last post on this matter, I promise!
I'm really sorry that you all have had so much offtopic discussion on your list. Everybody is welcome to join the id card list to discuss this further, or email me offlist Subscribe to the glasgow anti id card list by sending a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Allan Whiteford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Preaching to the converted is just so much more fulfilling. The idea of this meeting is to discuss what we can practically do to do exactly as you are suggesting, and reach outside of our own group. However we have to actually get together in order to organise ourselves to do that. We have had public meetings before, and I'm sure we'll have them again. I really don't underestand what the problem is. We are actually getting out from behind the safety of our keyboards to do something about an issue we feel is hugely detrimental to all of our civil liberties. I am not the sole person in this group, and I hope I've been really clear that everything I've been saying is only my view. I just also happen to be on this list, and there was interest in the issue on here before, so I thought to post the announcement. I do not want to continue taking up other people's time in this. You are all very welcome to join our list, where we can continue the discussion, but I for one will not be responding to any more posts in this thread on this list. I think its abusive of everybody else's patience. I repeat - we are meeting in a public house, we will not be checking anyone's id on the way in, and everyone is welcome. Anyone that is disruptive, for instance by insisting the discussion revolve around arguements about whether id cards are a good or bad thing, rather than the purpose of the meeting, which is to organise ourselves against them, will be asked to leave, by me. = -- "I give mankind no more than a chance in a thousand. But I would not be human if I did not place my stake on this one chance." Albert Camus ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
