Re: [SMW-devel] Google Summer of Code: SMW projects wanted - Properties Edit-Tables
Hello Yaron List, I have been a SMW user for 2 years now, and my liking of this software has been constantly rising ever since then. I have just completed my first little piece of code (part of SRF) and will ask the community in the coming days whether it would be worthwhile offering it for inclusion to SRF. There is one idea about SMW I have been wanting and wondering about more than once. I am inclined to put this on the idea/suggestion list mentioned below. But before doing so I would highly appreciate to get a few statements/opinions of experienced SMW folks (i.e. some of you guys) whether this might simply be a dumb or completely unfeasible idea, not worth bothering the SCoC suggestion list with. The idea is, simply put, to write an extension or even modify SMW core by an option that allows users to modify property values within #ask-result tables. E.g. you have pages of objects containing a price property, you do a query, and could then edit the resulting list with new prices. A special write back properties then modifies all the values in the source pages. I am fully aware that this would be quite some task, and even the concept requires thoughtful consideration (what happens with pages containing a property more than once, etc.pp.). However I have had many user requests that seemed to justify to at least give it a try. Any kind of comment (be frank, please) is appreciated. Regards, Hans 2014-02-11 15:18 GMT+01:00 Yaron Koren ya...@wikiworks.com: Hi everyone, The Google Summer of Code process has already begun. SMW projects will once again be done via the Wikimedia Foundation (that is, we're not trying to apply separately, unlike in some previous years). This year the GSoC schedule is earlier than I think it's ever been - the list of accepted organizations will be announced on February 24, which is also when students will start applying for projects: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 That's only two weeks away. So if you're thinking of trying to mentor a GSoC project, this is a good time to get involved. Here's where project ideas should go: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014#Semantic_MediaWiki I already added mine to the list. If you're looking for some inspiration, here's the set of SMW-related GSoC ideas people came up with last year: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/GSoC_2013 I think about half of these have actually been done already, which is a good sign. By the way, this applies to non-semantic functionality as well - if you want to improve, say, an ad-display extension, that would be great also, and I think the WMF would be happy to take any such projects. -Yaron -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com -- Android apps run on BlackBerry 10 Introducing the new BlackBerry 10.2.1 Runtime for Android apps. Now with support for Jelly Bean, Bluetooth, Mapview and more. Get your Android app in front of a whole new audience. Start now. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=124407151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Android apps run on BlackBerry 10 Introducing the new BlackBerry 10.2.1 Runtime for Android apps. Now with support for Jelly Bean, Bluetooth, Mapview and more. Get your Android app in front of a whole new audience. Start now. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=124407151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Google Summer of Code: SMW projects wanted - Properties Edit-Tables
Hey Hans, This is a much discussed idea actually, which has been talked about on the mailing lists several times. General in-place result editing is practically impossible as far as I can tell. One can do many irreversible computations (ie max) on results, and the input values can be themselves the result of computations, or non-editable values (ie page creation date). It is thus important to clearly identify in which cases such support is feasible and which ones are in scope of the system you will be creating. An additional complication comes from the fact that the SMW query result and query processing code is not in a very good state. It might be difficult to extend it and use it in other contexts as the current ones, which is what I suspect will be needed (or at least very useful) when doing such a project. So yes, I agree this would be great to have, and if we can get the functionality for at least simple cases, that'd be fantastic. You are right in that this would be quite some task, which I hope I underlined with this mail. When moving forward with such a project, I highly recommend * to communicate with the active SMW devs and other interested parties. Work in a public repo, ask for code review, and design review. * to work in incremental steps. Getting a small amount of solid functionality in a release that can then be expanded is much better then writing a pile of half-working things that never reach usable state. * write tests All these steps are essential in making such a project succeed. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- Android apps run on BlackBerry 10 Introducing the new BlackBerry 10.2.1 Runtime for Android apps. Now with support for Jelly Bean, Bluetooth, Mapview and more. Get your Android app in front of a whole new audience. Start now. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=124407151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Google Summer of Code: SMW projects wanted - Properties Edit-Tables
Hi all, I am not sure, but didn't smwplus have an editable table as result format? I remember one could change the result values in the table and it was rewritten to the source page using ajax. Anyone else remembers it? Regards Argi Von: Jeroen De Dauw [mailto:jeroended...@gmail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Februar 2014 18:41 An: Hans Oleander Cc: Yaron Koren; Semantic MediaWiki developers Betreff: Re: [SMW-devel] Google Summer of Code: SMW projects wanted - Properties Edit-Tables Hey Hans, This is a much discussed idea actually, which has been talked about on the mailing lists several times. General in-place result editing is practically impossible as far as I can tell. One can do many irreversible computations (ie max) on results, and the input values can be themselves the result of computations, or non-editable values (ie page creation date). It is thus important to clearly identify in which cases such support is feasible and which ones are in scope of the system you will be creating. An additional complication comes from the fact that the SMW query result and query processing code is not in a very good state. It might be difficult to extend it and use it in other contexts as the current ones, which is what I suspect will be needed (or at least very useful) when doing such a project. So yes, I agree this would be great to have, and if we can get the functionality for at least simple cases, that'd be fantastic. You are right in that this would be quite some task, which I hope I underlined with this mail. When moving forward with such a project, I highly recommend * to communicate with the active SMW devs and other interested parties. Work in a public repo, ask for code review, and design review. * to work in incremental steps. Getting a small amount of solid functionality in a release that can then be expanded is much better then writing a pile of half-working things that never reach usable state. * write tests All these steps are essential in making such a project succeed. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- Android apps run on BlackBerry 10 Introducing the new BlackBerry 10.2.1 Runtime for Android apps. Now with support for Jelly Bean, Bluetooth, Mapview and more. Get your Android app in front of a whole new audience. Start now. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=124407151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Google Summer of Code: SMW projects wanted - Properties Edit-Tables
Hi, I agree that SMW probably couldn't be used by itself for this, and that Semantic Forms makes more sense. Thankfully, though, I don't need to create a proof of concept for this opinion, because one already exists. :) In 2011, Christoph Tempich created this demo, showing how Semantic Forms - and specifically the #autoedit function - in conjunction with some clever Javascript, can be used to create an editable table: http://smw.referata.com/wiki/Scrum Double-click on a cell within the second table, and be amazed. :) I've sent this link to the mailing list several times, by the way. as part of different threads, but for some reason it has yet to really make an impact. Still, I think Christoph's solution could be useful for a lot of cases. -Yaron -- Android apps run on BlackBerry 10 Introducing the new BlackBerry 10.2.1 Runtime for Android apps. Now with support for Jelly Bean, Bluetooth, Mapview and more. Get your Android app in front of a whole new audience. Start now. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=124407151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
