Re: [SMW-devel] Dynamic filtered output
Hi Stephan, I understand your preference for the speed of client-side filtering. Sadly that's only the case for very small data-sets. Practical Plants has over 7,000 results to filter, so clientside filtering would require an unacceptably large query upfront. I'm not at all surprised the attention the filtered format is getting, it's hugely useful functionality. I'll gladly give you some time to consolidate. For the time being I'll continue to develop my filter functionality as a separate extension (named Semantic Discovery), and I hope we can find a way to bring them together in the future. Yours Andru El 15/10/2012, a las 13:40, Stephan Gambke escribió: Hi, On 15 October 2012 12:10, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Would there be any demand for this? Yes, having dynamic filtering and continuation for result formats is pretty high on the wish list for result formats in general. Which is why people are so excited about the filtered format. I however have two concerns about this format: * It seems to need specific code for each result format it supports, which leads to less versatility and a lot more maintenance effort then some generic system * It loads all data and then does filter operations on it, which does not work for big datasets and for others is not always desired When I started working on this I consciously decided to do the filtering on the client side to reduce round trips. My reasoning was that you could achieve server side filtering by using the RunQuery special page from Semantic Formats. But I agree that in a lot of cases doing the round trip would be preferrable to client side filtering and I have some ideas on how this could be done. This might also solve the first problem and leverage existing formats. For simple filters it should be as easy as sending the query amended by the filter condition to the server and displaying the result. For something like e.g. the distance filter it might be less easy. Andrew, I very much like your stuff. I am excited (and a bit overwhelmed) at the attention this format gets. Right now it is still very much a construction area and will see a lot of changes before it becomes reasonably stable. There are still a lot of mechanisms in how stuff is handled that I want to improve. Normally I would be very happy to ask you to provide a patch. In this case however, to prevent us from having to somehow manually merge large amounts of code I would ask you to give me some more time to consolidate the format. Cheers, Stephan -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Dynamic filtered output
Hi Yury,
1) You can specify a default query to run when it first loads. For practical
plants it queries all pages with [[Show on main page search::Yes]], so we can
define a few key plants to show upfront
2) I don't understand this question! Could you clarify?
Thanks for the kind words about the skin. It's a very complex custom skin which
has a dependency on a companion extension, and also a number of custom
extensions. I don't currently have any plans to release the skin itsself, but
I'm working on releasing some of the custom extensions (I'll shortly release
the filtered search as an extension named Semantic Discovery). So far I've made
the following available:
Bootstrap - https://github.com/andru/mediawiki-bootstrap
This integrates Twitter Bootstrap into MediaWiki in a way compatible with the
ResourceLoader, giving a base to build custom themes.
MoveToSkin - https://github.com/andru/mediawiki-movetoskin
This enables a {{#movetoskin}} function which moves content from the wikitext
to predefined areas in the skin. For example, this allows me to move the TOC
from within the content to a sidebar without relying on Javascript after the
DOM has loaded.
WikiSEO - https://github.com/andru/wiki-seo
A simple extension which enables a {{#seo}} function to change the page title,
meta description, and meta keywords.
Yours
Andru
El 15/10/2012, a las 13:48, Yury Katkov escribió:
Hi Andru!
It looks terrific and we really need similar AJAX-feature for fitered format.
1) Do I understand correctly that by default (with no filters turned on) you
show some amount of results (say 20 results)?
2) a question to developers: how fast are the count queries? Maybe it's good
to use them when the user
And your skin is also lovely, if you have any plans to release it as open
source, I'll gladly help with that.
-
Yury Katkov, WIkiVote
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Andru Vallance an...@tinymighty.com wrote:
For the wiki I develop, I was interested in using the filtered output format,
but needed the results to be loaded dynamically when filters were changed, as
I have 7000+ results to filter.
I began making changes to this effect, but under time pressure and with no
documentation on the filtered output plugin, I realised it would be quicker
to roll my own plugin which interfaces with the SMW API to create dynamic
filters.
My plugin operates quite differently, functioning as a parser function which
takes a JSON object of settings to initiate rather than operating as an
output format for an ask query, however if there is demand I could try and
merge the dynamic functionality into the filtered output.
You can see my plugin in action here: http://practicalplants.org/wiki/Search
Would there be any demand for this? Or is it distinct enough in operation
that it would be preferred that I polish up my own plugin and release it as a
separate entity? If the former, is there any documentation on the operation
of output formats to assist me in integration?
Ta
Andru Vallance
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Re: [SMW-devel] Dynamic filtered output
very cool! And I also like your mediawiki-skin. Is that available somewhere? regards, Bernhard - Ursprüngliche Mail - For the wiki I develop, I was interested in using the filtered output format, but needed the results to be loaded dynamically when filters were changed, as I have 7000+ results to filter. I began making changes to this effect, but under time pressure and with no documentation on the filtered output plugin, I realised it would be quicker to roll my own plugin which interfaces with the SMW API to create dynamic filters. My plugin operates quite differently, functioning as a parser function which takes a JSON object of settings to initiate rather than operating as an output format for an ask query, however if there is demand I could try and merge the dynamic functionality into the filtered output. You can see my plugin in action here: http://practicalplants.org/wiki/Search Would there be any demand for this? Or is it distinct enough in operation that it would be preferred that I polish up my own plugin and release it as a separate entity? If the former, is there any documentation on the operation of output formats to assist me in integration? Ta Andru Vallance -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Dynamic filtered output
Hey, Would there be any demand for this? Yes, having dynamic filtering and continuation for result formats is pretty high on the wish list for result formats in general. Which is why people are so excited about the filtered format. I however have two concerns about this format: * It seems to need specific code for each result format it supports, which leads to less versatility and a lot more maintenance effort then some generic system * It loads all data and then does filter operations on it, which does not work for big datasets and for others is not always desired (Don't get me wrong I think filtered is pretty awesome) Your approach seems to tackle the second point. Since both approaches do not tackle the first one, it'd be best to at least share code in some way, else the already to big maintenance costs doubles. As to how to do this I cannot really advise, as I'm not familiar with the filtered code or the stuff you wrote. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. -- -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Dynamic filtered output
Hi, On 15 October 2012 12:10, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Would there be any demand for this? Yes, having dynamic filtering and continuation for result formats is pretty high on the wish list for result formats in general. Which is why people are so excited about the filtered format. I however have two concerns about this format: * It seems to need specific code for each result format it supports, which leads to less versatility and a lot more maintenance effort then some generic system * It loads all data and then does filter operations on it, which does not work for big datasets and for others is not always desired When I started working on this I consciously decided to do the filtering on the client side to reduce round trips. My reasoning was that you could achieve server side filtering by using the RunQuery special page from Semantic Formats. But I agree that in a lot of cases doing the round trip would be preferrable to client side filtering and I have some ideas on how this could be done. This might also solve the first problem and leverage existing formats. For simple filters it should be as easy as sending the query amended by the filter condition to the server and displaying the result. For something like e.g. the distance filter it might be less easy. Andrew, I very much like your stuff. I am excited (and a bit overwhelmed) at the attention this format gets. Right now it is still very much a construction area and will see a lot of changes before it becomes reasonably stable. There are still a lot of mechanisms in how stuff is handled that I want to improve. Normally I would be very happy to ask you to provide a patch. In this case however, to prevent us from having to somehow manually merge large amounts of code I would ask you to give me some more time to consolidate the format. Cheers, Stephan -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Dynamic filtered output
Hi Andru! It looks terrific and we really need similar AJAX-feature for fitered format. 1) Do I understand correctly that by default (with no filters turned on) you show some amount of results (say 20 results)? 2) a question to developers: how fast are the count queries? Maybe it's good to use them when the user And your skin is also lovely, if you have any plans to release it as open source, I'll gladly help with that. - Yury Katkov, WIkiVote On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Andru Vallance an...@tinymighty.comwrote: For the wiki I develop, I was interested in using the filtered output format, but needed the results to be loaded dynamically when filters were changed, as I have 7000+ results to filter. I began making changes to this effect, but under time pressure and with no documentation on the filtered output plugin, I realised it would be quicker to roll my own plugin which interfaces with the SMW API to create dynamic filters. My plugin operates quite differently, functioning as a parser function which takes a JSON object of settings to initiate rather than operating as an output format for an ask query, however if there is demand I could try and merge the dynamic functionality into the filtered output. You can see my plugin in action here: http://practicalplants.org/wiki/Search Would there be any demand for this? Or is it distinct enough in operation that it would be preferred that I polish up my own plugin and release it as a separate entity? If the former, is there any documentation on the operation of output formats to assist me in integration? Ta Andru Vallance -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
