SD> L body 2 door vs 4 door Dual Gauge Pillar pod
Fellas: I'm new to >turbo< fwd Dodges. For fun, I recently bought a nice 86 GLHT and I've been looking for gauge pods. I have three gauges that need a home: EGT, A/F and manifold pressure. What is the difference between the 2-door and 4-door l-body pods? Tim ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> Project: L body 2 door Dual Gauge Pillar pod (Alternative idea?)
Chris I dropped the project years ago due to the fact that 80% of the people who spoke up never put up. Weird since my project was for the P-body and more guys have P-body's on this list that anything else. Good luck. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: SD> Project: L body 2 door Dual Gauge Pillar pod (Alternative idea?) > Heres an alternative option to the full trim replacement (that isnt a full > trim replacment) > Pictures thanks to Victor Dobney as example.. > > Here you see this style of overlay looking very "non comprimised" > The stock trim piece is below the overlay.. > _http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/649171_87_full.jpg_ > (http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/649171_87_full.jpg) > > > Heres how it blends into the bottom of the stock trim.. > _http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/649171_86_full.jpg_ > (http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/649171_86_full.jpg) > > > another view.. > _http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/649171_88_full.jpg_ > (http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/649171_88_full.jpg) > > and the only comprimised look of something like this is on the edge.. > Which isnt anything big at all... > _http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/649171_89_full.jpg_ > (http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/649171_89_full.jpg) > > If I dont hear any feedback from each of you about the direction of this > group buy, Im going to ditch this project alltogether and make my own personal > trim piece.. > I need your help to get this goin and all im askin you for right now is your > opinion or ideas.. > Im not tryin to be a harda$s, its just that a weeks worth of waiting for > responces has me antsy and id like to either get the ball rollin or roll it into > the gutter to start the next frame.. > I wont proceed till I have everyones opinion on what they would like to do.. > > If I dont hear from at least 75% of the people who have spoken for a total > of 35 pieces, Im dumping this project coordination.. > My deadline for this is December 12th 2004 to hear from you.. > thanks > > Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA - NorCalTurboDodge > 84 Rampage - _www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo_ > (http://www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo) > (or) _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ > (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) > > -=GROUP BUY=- > *CUSTOM FULL TRIM REPLACEMENT A PILLAR GAUGE PANELS* > L body 2 door car & truck (ie; Charger, Rampage body styles, ect.) *1979 - > 1987* > FULL A pillar trim replacement w/integrated dual 2-1/16" gauge housing pods > _http://www.turbododge.com/forums/showpost.php?p=471503&postcount=9_ > (http://www.turbododge.com/forums/showpost.php?p=471503&postcount=9) > Contact me privately @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) if interested... > > ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING > Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ > > To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD> WTB - Still Looking for '87 MP T1 LM... anybody?
NOS or known good used... # 4529873. Reply privately with condition/price. Thanks, Dave ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD> Spirit RT flywheel for sale
Spirit or IROC RT Flywheel, great condition but will need resurfaced before clutch install. 45.00 shipped if interested please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED], thanks. ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD> Coil Pickup
A few days ago I described to everyone, my engine just konking out,everyone said its probably the wires fatiguing that come out of the distributor. I pulled the old coil and indeed one of the wires was bent,and there was a little slit in the insulation, with a lot of "play". I put in the new unit and the car seems better. Before i go on a 30 minute drive to see if the car is fixed.Is it possible that all this was was a bad wire w/ a bend, fatigue, slit in the insulation that would cause the car to just stop running Hopefully yes! PLEASE SEND ME YOUR EXPERT OPINIONS AND THANKYOU!! Keith ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> Coil Pickup
Yes, easily. Years ago, I installed a set of headers on my 76 Aspen R/T. We didn't touch ANYTHING electrical. After getting them all bolted up, I pushed in the clutch and fired up the car - no problem. Started to let out the clutch and the engine died. Tried it again, same thing. We hunted for HOURS trying to figure out what happened. Turned out the ground wire from the body to the engine was broken inside (inside the insulation where we couldn't see). With the clutch pedal down, the engine had a ground for the ignition. When you'd let up the pedal, the ground was lost and the ignition quit. Ever since then I've made sure to use the braided type of ground wire so you can always see its condition. Thanks, Marc Medina www.pnw-sdac.org 89 Spirit ES 2.5 Super 60 Intercooled Turbo http://www.geocities.com/mcm95403/ <--- updated 11/12/04 "Americans have the right and advantages of being armed-unlike the citizens of the countries whose government are afraid to trust the People with Arms" James Madison - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: SD> Coil Pickup > A few days ago I described to everyone, my engine just konking out,everyone > said its probably the wires fatiguing that come out of the distributor. I > pulled the old coil and indeed one of the wires was bent,and there was a little > slit in the insulation, with a lot of "play". > > I put in the new unit and the car seems better. Before i go on a 30 minute > drive to see if the car is fixed.Is it possible that all this was was a bad > wire w/ a bend, fatigue, slit in the insulation that would cause the car to > just stop running > > Hopefully yes! > PLEASE SEND ME YOUR EXPERT OPINIONS AND THANKYOU!! > > Keith > > ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING > Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ > > To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> Coil Pickup
> A few days ago I described to everyone, my engine just konking out,everyone > said its probably the wires fatiguing that come out of the distributor. I > pulled the old coil and indeed one of the wires was bent,and there was a little > slit in the insulation, with a lot of "play". > ...Is it possible that all this was was a bad > wire w/ a bend, fatigue, slit in the insulation that would cause the car to > just stop running Hi Keith, Absolutely. I've had the pickup coil (Hall effect sensor as it is sometimes called) go bad on my cars a few times. This is sometimes referred to as the ballast resistor of the turbo dodge generation of cars. One way to reduce the rate of failure on these is to make sure that the wires are hung up somewhere so that they don't swing as much during driving. I have mine wire tied near the dipstick tube so that the wires are well supported with a little slack. This has helped me out. In addition, the ones you get from the Dodge dealership seem to have a better reputation than the ones you'll get from NAPA, etc. This also turned out to be true for me. The down side of this is that the dealership ones are much more expensive. I have a number of extras around now (that I haven't had to use, of course :-). Some of them are new Chrysler units that a fellow list member was selling a couple years back for reasonably cheap. Some of them are Chrysler units I pulled out of a junk yard. I have one of the yard units on one of my cars (forget which one) for years now. Best of luck. Hope you have this licked! later... Jarvis -|--- ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD> Idle Oil Pressure Question
Good Evening, The car is my '90 Daytona Shelby. The turbo went on me, as I mentioned, and I am trying to make sure that there are no external causes. I picked up an oil pressure tester at NAPA. At idle I get 53psi of pressure. If I rev the engine to something that sounds like about 4K to me, I get 70psi which drops back down to 53psi when I go back to idle again. I did this repeatably a few times with both a reasonably cool (but not cold) engine and reasonably warm (but not real hot) engine. Same numbers. The 53psi seems kinda high to me since the FSM seems happy with numbers like 10psi at idle. Is it possible that my Melling oil pump is giving me too much oil pressure causing problems? Or, at least, are these numbers way out of whack with what others get? later... Jarvis -|--- ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD> Idle Oil Pressure Question
Yep, its 10psi per 1000rpm. What weight oil are you running? What oil pressure relief spring are you running? Do you have the oil restrictor in the block? Try reducing the amount of oil going into the oil feed for the turbo. I think a washer or perhaps a drilled out jet threaded into the turbo oil feed line adapter should work to limit the oil pressure to the turbo. Thread the jet in from the backside and use locktite before going driving with it. Just go slow and gradually increase the size of the orifice until the proper pressure spec is reached by placing the oil pressure gauge in line with the oil feed line to the turbo. You will need to also determine if the volume of oil is correct as well. I believe the specs should be available at Garrett's website as they are a somewhat standard T3 center section. Or you can swap the oil pump out for a "stock" pump. The width of the oil pump vanes will tell you if one pumps more oil than the other. Best Regards, Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:57 PM To: Shelby Dodge Mailing List Subject: SD> Idle Oil Pressure Question Good Evening, The car is my '90 Daytona Shelby. The turbo went on me, as I mentioned, and I am trying to make sure that there are no external causes. I picked up an oil pressure tester at NAPA. At idle I get 53psi of pressure. If I rev the engine to something that sounds like about 4K to me, I get 70psi which drops back down to 53psi when I go back to idle again. I did this repeatably a few times with both a reasonably cool (but not cold) engine and reasonably warm (but not real hot) engine. Same numbers. The 53psi seems kinda high to me since the FSM seems happy with numbers like 10psi at idle. Is it possible that my Melling oil pump is giving me too much oil pressure causing problems? Or, at least, are these numbers way out of whack with what others get? later... Jarvis -|--- ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING-- -- Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD> poly trans mount installed
Everyone, I got a first off poly tranny mount today and I installed it into my turbo wagon. It works great These are being made in full-force now that I approved the the 2nd prototype. Fits 1984 to 1989 cars. I will have some ready to go in a couple days BUT I am taking them to get plated and that will take 2 to 4 days. So I will be shipping these next week. Finally!I have been working on this project for almost 2 months. It seems crazy such a simple thing can take so much time and effert to get done. You want to know why I haven't made the tranny mount for the newer (90+) FWD cars. Beacuse I made the front mount (sells well) and made the passenger side mount. Everyone wanted the passenger mount. BUT not to many people are buying it. I have ALOT of money tied up in something that is not selling so it makes me very cautious about what projects I take on. Maybe someday, but not right now. Johnny Spiva PORTLAND, OREGON -- Selling Polyurethane parts for your FWD Mopar/Shelby http://polybushings.com = http://www.polybushings.com/pages/2617.html = ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD> Coil Pickup
I carry a spare HEP (distributor pickup plate) in the trunk along with a phillips screw driver - just in case. Marc Medina www.pnw-sdac.org 89 Spirit ES 2.5 Turbo Intercooled Super60 http://www.geocities.com/mcm95403/ <--- updated 11/12/04 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SD> Coil Pickup > A few days ago I described to everyone, my engine just konking out,everyone > said its probably the wires fatiguing that come out of the > distributor. I pulled the old coil and indeed one of the wires was > bent,and there was a little > slit in the insulation, with a lot of "play". > ...Is it possible that all this was was a bad > wire w/ a bend, fatigue, slit in the insulation that would cause the > car to > just stop running Hi Keith, Absolutely. I've had the pickup coil (Hall effect sensor as it is sometimes called) go bad on my cars a few times. This is sometimes referred to as the ballast resistor of the turbo dodge generation of cars. One way to reduce the rate of failure on these is to make sure that the wires are hung up somewhere so that they don't swing as much during driving. I have mine wire tied near the dipstick tube so that the wires are well supported with a little slack. This has helped me out. In addition, the ones you get from the Dodge dealership seem to have a better reputation than the ones you'll get from NAPA, etc. This also turned out to be true for me. The down side of this is that the dealership ones are much more expensive. I have a number of extras around now (that I haven't had to use, of course :-). Some of them are new Chrysler units that a fellow list member was selling a couple years back for reasonably cheap. Some of them are Chrysler units I pulled out of a junk yard. I have one of the yard units on one of my cars (forget which one) for years now. Best of luck. Hope you have this licked! later... Jarvis -|--- ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING-- -- Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> Idle Oil Pressure Question
You might try swapping in some 0w-20 oil. Maybe the pressure will come down to a sane level. Running the really small oil filter these engines normally came usually helps limit oil pressure too. ;) Whatever you end up doing, keep us posted, I'm curious which trick will do the job. On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:56:40 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good Evening, > > The car is my '90 Daytona Shelby. The turbo went on me, as I mentioned, and > I am trying to make sure that there are no external causes. I picked up an > oil pressure tester at NAPA. > > At idle I get 53psi of pressure. If I rev the engine to something that > sounds like about 4K to me, I get 70psi which drops back down to 53psi when > I go back to idle again. I did this repeatably a few times with both a > reasonably cool (but not cold) engine and reasonably warm (but not real hot) > engine. Same numbers. > > The 53psi seems kinda high to me since the FSM seems happy with numbers like > 10psi at idle. Is it possible that my Melling oil pump is giving me too > much oil pressure causing problems? Or, at least, are these numbers way out > of whack with what others get? > > later... > Jarvis > -|--- > > ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING > Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ > > To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html > -- Brian J. Schulteis Bremerton, Washington '85 Shelby Charger (resto project 25% done) '88 Chrysler Lebarron Convertible (J body) '88 Daytona Pacifica (Intercooled 2.5L daily driver) ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD> Shelby Dodges defended in Car and Driver!
My issue of Car and Driver came today. In the letters section, I was shocked to see not one but three letters they printed which defended our Shelby Dodges!!! The letters were in response to last issue's Dodge Charger article where Tony Swan took an unnecessary swipe at the 80s Dodge Charger. The letters were from Sam Fiorani, Tony Eimen, and Greg Thewes. I know Greg, I'm not sure if the other writers are SDML or SDAC members though. Anyway, it was nice to see Car and Driver print these letters, usually the only thing they print about our cars is negative, even though they walk all over their beloved imports of similar vintage, and walk all over many of today's imports. Scott 89 Daytona Shelby (Radiant Silver) 89 Daytona C/S competition package 92 Spirit R/T 01 Impala police interceptor 04 SRT-4 (Electric Blue) Walkersville, MD Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> Shelby Dodges defended in Car and Driver!
Did C&D have a response to any of the letters? If so what did they have to say? clay - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: SD> Shelby Dodges defended in Car and Driver! > My issue of Car and Driver came today. In the letters section, I was shocked to see not one but three letters they printed which defended our Shelby Dodges!!! The letters were in response to last issue's Dodge Charger article where Tony Swan took an unnecessary swipe at the 80s Dodge Charger. The letters were from Sam Fiorani, Tony Eimen, and Greg Thewes. I know Greg, I'm not sure if the other writers are SDML or SDAC members though. Anyway, it was nice to see Car and Driver print these letters, usually the only thing they print about our cars is negative, even though they walk all over their beloved imports of similar vintage, and walk all over many of today's imports. > > Scott > 89 Daytona Shelby (Radiant Silver) > 89 Daytona C/S competition package > 92 Spirit R/T > 01 Impala police interceptor > 04 SRT-4 (Electric Blue) > Walkersville, MD > > > Juno Gift Certificates > Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. > http://www.juno.com/give > > ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING > Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ > > To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD> Alum Rad
I have a custom Fluidyne aluminum radiator in my Shelby Z which is larger than the T2 radiator but works great with the Spearco FMIC. Pic: http://www.badassperformance.com/mstore/bap_parts/fliudyne.jpg I'll be getting a quote soon on all of the various T2 radiators. e-mail me to be put on the notification list. Thanks, Jason Trotter SDAC-Chicago President www.sdac-chicago.org '87 Shelby Z - 11.62 @ 119.80 mph '87 CSX #751 Clone - 12.89 @ 104.59 mph www.badassperformance.com > Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 01:52:50 + > From: "sean nagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: SD> Alum Rad > > Does any one make an Alum Rad replacement for the T2 IC/Rad combo for > Daytonas?? or some thing close and any idea of the price thanks sean ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> Project: L body 2 door Dual Gauge Pillar pod (Alternative idea?)
They dont block your vision2 little humps is hardly blockin vision.. at the right angle, they sit in the A pillars blind spot anyways, so your not blockin out much at all and its not really worth mentioning.. Ever had a setup like this on a L body 2 door or are ya knockin it before you try it? I never had any problems runnin this setup in my GLHS and its actually quite nice to be able to see how your engine is operating as you drive. Some may consider it "Import trendy" or whatnot, however I like having the critical information in my line of site rather than having to look down at the center counsel for instrumentation.. The second you take your eyes off the road, your placing not only yours, but other peoples lifes in your hands. I am trying to work with an established vender on getting these produced.. Im not a buisness man, just a person with common sence that know what he wants.. Im not tryin to make any money on this, just opening up options for the people who truely race, tune or just like instrumentation to monitor their engine. Once this group buy is complete and these are produced, these will still be available from them on their site..That way people in the future have something rather than nothing.. but without the group buys minimum, this will never happen.. I know that the majority of the people are as frugal as I am, however. ya gadda pay if ya wanna play.. generiac quote, but am I lying?:) Also there arent very many places to mount a gauge in L body unless you dont care about your ac/air vents or using a hole saw and drillin into your dash.. As for the SDAC newsletter, thats an excellent idea! I suppose if one needs to contact anyone, that would be Barry Goodall for this? Anyone have an email address for him? :) Not only do I talk about these cars, I also work on my own vehicles.. I just got the MP headgasket and ARP head studs installed tonite for the engine thats intended for the trucklets buildup.. They shoulda done that from the factory with those head studs.. :) very nice.. I have faith in the SDML community.. Everyones been there for me in the past and this is just one of my ways of sayin thanks.. Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA - NorCalTurboDodge 84 Rampage - _www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo) (or) _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) ^^^GROUP BUY^^^ *CUSTOM OVERLAY A PILLAR GAUGE POD PANELS* L body 2 door car & truck (ie; Charger, Rampage body styles, ect.) *1979 - 1987* A pillar overlay trim w/integrated dual 2-1/16" gauge housing pods _http://www.turbododge.com/forums/showpost.php?p=471503&postcount=9_ (http://www.turbododge.com/forums/showpost.php?p=471503&postcount=9) Contact me privately @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) if interested... In a message dated 12/7/2004 1:43:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be honest, I'm not interested in either of these products. I don't like gauges mounted on the pillars. They block my vision and I feel they would relate me a little too closely with the "rice racer" crowd. I'd rather see replacement gauge panels that include places for the proper gauges and that is something I'd like to work on down the road. It's a tough situation as it seems people are interested in the product, but they don't actually want to spend money on it. Unfortunately that seems typical in this enthusiasts group. Some of it may be due to a lack of spending cash, it might also be a waning interest in the cars due to outside influences (life) So you can be somewhat harsh about it or you can work with an established vendor (whomever that is) to have them carry the product to fruition and add it to their line. If you're trying to make this a profitable product for you or your fledgling company, then you need to ensure you're reaching your market properly and you can't rely on other people to invest money in something that you want to market. Has anyone contacted the SDAC newsletter? Many of the people who get the newsletters aren't on the mailing lists and are typically the ones that are actively working on the cars rather than talking about them. Just my thoughts, take them for what they are worth. Stefan ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD> RE: 1986 #210 on Ebay
I should have added a link to the auction sorry! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4510708180 If the link doesn't work please search for item #4510708180 or auctions by SuperDave369. Dave -Original Message- From: SuperDave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: 1986 #210 on Ebay I listed my 86 GLHS on Ebay tonight. I have too many toys and have to sell something, but I want to keep my Rampage. This GLHS is completely rust free and is in great shape. If someone on this list buys the car I'll throw in many extras like an extra set of ground effects, spare Centurion and many other little items I collected for it in the past year. Please pass this link along to anyone interested! Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
