Re: SD E brake cables
I think the GLH-T/SC/GLHS brakes are crap on my Rampage.. I went with factory mopar pads and they didn't help much.. Did you know that 2nd Gen Neon direct replacement rotors are the EXACT same as the stock turbo 5x100 L bodys?:) Hitup ebay for a set of cross drilled and slotted rotors and that mite help some.. I get really bad fade in the 95+mph area when really needing the brakes.. Pretty soon Franzen and the guys at boostedmopar.com will have finished figuring out a way to use the SRT brakes on the fronts (so far):) couldn't hurt? :) I will more than likely go the route of disk on the rear of my page (1) for ease of operation and (2) appearance.. Gadda fill in the 17 wheels with something;) Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA. - 1984 Rampage Ramlet _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) In a message dated 1/5/2006 9:46:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly. From my experience, the SLH-1 or 2 brake upgrade on a stock Rampage is overkill for the street. The minivan fronts don't get warm enough to actually reach operating temperature so the braking always feels pretty ineffective. This could be helped by changing pad compound, but that's a little difficult/expensive with the Minivan pads as you'd have to have a set re-lined. Plus the single pin minivan calipers aren't the best solution for track days as they are flexible, the phenolic pistons can break down under repeated abuse, the available pad compounds are pretty thin and they are pretty heavy. For most of the Rampage folks out there, I'd suggest sticking with the stock Turbo car brakes and leave it at that. If you're reaching 130 in the 1/4 and doing it a lot or if you're doing a lot of road race track days, then changing things further will help. Preferrably going to multi-piston units with adequate cooling ducts and maybe slotted rotors (not drilled, they tend to crack and reduce the surface area of the rotor) of course braided brake lines can help pedal feel. Stefan ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD E brake cables
The drilled rotors won't help you. They reduce the surface area of the rotors, less surface area for the brake pads to grab onto and most drilled rotors will develop stress cracks around the drilled holes. So you'll spend lots of money for potentially less braking performance and shorter longevity. However, the slots do help though as they'll reduce the amount of glazed (highly polished brake pad surfaces due to improper pad bedding and warm up procedures) brake material. The issue with the SRT4/Neon front suspension components on our cars is that it makes the already bad bump steer problems on these cars worse. Making the car feel unsettled and almost twitchy when the suspension moves up an down. Not something that I'd want at 95mph going into turn one at the track. I think you'd be better off just making the necessary adapter brackets to install Wilwood or Brembo calipers that are properly sized for your application. BTW, all of the Neon rotors are a direct fit. So are the axles I believe as are the hubs and bearings (for the later bolt-in bearing cars), though I'd need to confirm that as its just what I've heard from others. Stefan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:52 PM To: Mullikin Stefan P (EEU7RXX); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SD E brake cables I think the GLH-T/SC/GLHS brakes are crap on my Rampage.. I went with factory mopar pads and they didn't help much.. Did you know that 2nd Gen Neon direct replacement rotors are the EXACT same as the stock turbo 5x100 L bodys? :) Hitup ebay for a set of cross drilled and slotted rotors and that mite help some.. I get really bad fade in the 95+mph area when really needing the brakes.. Pretty soon Franzen and the guys at boostedmopar.com will have finished figuring out a way to use the SRT brakes on the fronts (so far) :) couldn't hurt? :) I will more than likely go the route of disk on the rear of my page (1) for ease of operation and (2) appearance.. Gadda fill in the 17 wheels with something;) Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA. - 1984 Rampage Ramlet www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage In a message dated 1/5/2006 9:46:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly. From my experience, the SLH-1 or 2 brake upgrade on a stock Rampage is overkill for the street. The minivan fronts don't get warm enough to actually reach operating temperature so the braking always feels pretty ineffective. This could be helped by changing pad compound, but that's a little difficult/expensive with the Minivan pads as you'd have to have a set re-lined. Plus the single pin minivan calipers aren't the best solution for track days as they are flexible, the phenolic pistons can break down under repeated abuse, the available pad compounds are pretty thin and they are pretty heavy. For most of the Rampage folks out there, I'd suggest sticking with the stock Turbo car brakes and leave it at that. If you're reaching 130 in the 1/4 and doing it a lot or if you're doing a lot of road race track days, then changing things further will help. Preferrably going to multi-piston units with adequate cooling ducts and maybe slotted rotors (not drilled, they tend to crack and reduce the surface area of the rotor) of course braided brake lines can help pedal feel. Stefan ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD E brake cables
In a message dated 1/6/2006 1:26:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The drilled rotors won't help you. They reduce the surface area of the rotors, less surface area for the brake pads to grab onto and most drilled rotors will develop stress cracks around the drilled holes. So you'll spend lots of money for potentially less braking performance and shorter longevity. However, the slots do help though as they'll reduce the amount of glazed (highly polished brake pad surfaces due to improper pad bedding and warm up procedures) brake material. I beg to differ because I've ran cross drilled/slotted rotors on my 93 Celica for 4 years and I beat the hell out of it.. (Stock wheels on it and soon after did the brakes stripped the paint and stickers off and hit em with a silver) previous owner.. LOL _http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/745000-745999/745234_12_ful l.jpg_ (http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/745000-745999/745234_12_full.jpg) I went from bone stock with factory pads to cross drilled rotors and factory brake pads (less dust) the fade is exceptionally decreased and I would fully recommend it to ANYONE without hesitation.. I sold it about 3 years ago to a neighbor and I've done a brake job on it for him sence.. the zink coating looks as new as the day I installed em. (on the non friction surfaces) Now the cheapo ones can and most likely will have stress cracks around the cross drilled holes and i've had that happen first hand.I saw a advertisment on _www.solo2.org_ (http://www.solo2.org) while browsing the forum and had the cd/s brembros for a dam good price so I jumped on it.. Tell me of your actual experiences with cross drilled, slotted rotors or is that just speculation? Im not jumpin on ya.. Im just curious is all:) what brands did you use? Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA. - 1984 Rampage Ramlet _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD E brake cables
Huh? Why would you want those big heavy finned drums? The Rampage barely uses the stock 200mm drums as it is. 220mm is overkill (though it helps retain some balance of the system) I don't believe anyone has used those drums on a passenger car before. I used turbo car 220mm drums on mine, but the cables were too long. So I trimmed the return spring down and took up the slack at the adjuster. Perhaps it will be the same for you. You might be better off using the Caravan cables and attaching them to your stock crossover cable. Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis and Sherry Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SD E brake cables When swapping the rear brakes and hubs from a 1989 Caravan onto a 1984 Rampage what do I need to do for the emergency brake cable? Dennis L. Cote ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD E brake cables
Ah, that's the difference you've removed the rear brake limiting valve. Also given the amount of work the fronts do, I would hope it would stop from 135. Try doing this repeatedly lap after lap with 20 of your other friends doing the same thing inches away from you and you get quite a bit more serious about determining what works and what doesn't. Stefan -Original Message- From: Dean Stillie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:17 AM To: Mullikin Stefan P (EEU7RXX); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SD E brake cables I have neon drums on my rampage with the weight proportioning valve removed it stops from 135 mph I would put rear discs on if it was a street car but just for looks - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: RE: SD E brake cables Huh? Why would you want those big heavy finned drums? The Rampage barely uses the stock 200mm drums as it is. 220mm is overkill (though it helps retain some balance of the system) I don't believe anyone has used those drums on a passenger car before. I used turbo car 220mm drums on mine, but the cables were too long. So I trimmed the return spring down and took up the slack at the adjuster. Perhaps it will be the same for you. You might be better off using the Caravan cables and attaching them to your stock crossover cable. Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis and Sherry Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SD E brake cables When swapping the rear brakes and hubs from a 1989 Caravan onto a 1984 Rampage what do I need to do for the emergency brake cable? Dennis L. Cote ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING-- -- Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 12/29/2005 ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD E brake cables
You've made a good point. Everyone has to figure out what they want out of their braking system - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:56 PM Subject: RE: SD E brake cables Ah, that's the difference you've removed the rear brake limiting valve. Also given the amount of work the fronts do, I would hope it would stop from 135. Try doing this repeatedly lap after lap with 20 of your other friends doing the same thing inches away from you and you get quite a bit more serious about determining what works and what doesn't. Stefan -Original Message- From: Dean Stillie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:17 AM To: Mullikin Stefan P (EEU7RXX); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SD E brake cables I have neon drums on my rampage with the weight proportioning valve removed it stops from 135 mph I would put rear discs on if it was a street car but just for looks - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: RE: SD E brake cables Huh? Why would you want those big heavy finned drums? The Rampage barely uses the stock 200mm drums as it is. 220mm is overkill (though it helps retain some balance of the system) I don't believe anyone has used those drums on a passenger car before. I used turbo car 220mm drums on mine, but the cables were too long. So I trimmed the return spring down and took up the slack at the adjuster. Perhaps it will be the same for you. You might be better off using the Caravan cables and attaching them to your stock crossover cable. Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis and Sherry Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SD E brake cables When swapping the rear brakes and hubs from a 1989 Caravan onto a 1984 Rampage what do I need to do for the emergency brake cable? Dennis L. Cote ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING-- -- Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 12/29/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD E brake cables
I have neon drums on my rampage with the weight proportioning valve removed it stops from 135 mph I would put rear discs on if it was a street car but just for looks - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: RE: SD E brake cables Huh? Why would you want those big heavy finned drums? The Rampage barely uses the stock 200mm drums as it is. 220mm is overkill (though it helps retain some balance of the system) I don't believe anyone has used those drums on a passenger car before. I used turbo car 220mm drums on mine, but the cables were too long. So I trimmed the return spring down and took up the slack at the adjuster. Perhaps it will be the same for you. You might be better off using the Caravan cables and attaching them to your stock crossover cable. Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis and Sherry Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SD E brake cables When swapping the rear brakes and hubs from a 1989 Caravan onto a 1984 Rampage what do I need to do for the emergency brake cable? Dennis L. Cote ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 12/29/2005 ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD E brake cables
Exactly. From my experience, the SLH-1 or 2 brake upgrade on a stock Rampage is overkill for the street. The minivan fronts don't get warm enough to actually reach operating temperature so the braking always feels pretty ineffective. This could be helped by changing pad compound, but that's a little difficult/expensive with the Minivan pads as you'd have to have a set re-lined. Plus the single pin minivan calipers aren't the best solution for track days as they are flexible, the phenolic pistons can break down under repeated abuse, the available pad compounds are pretty thin and they are pretty heavy. For most of the Rampage folks out there, I'd suggest sticking with the stock Turbo car brakes and leave it at that. If you're reaching 130 in the 1/4 and doing it a lot or if you're doing a lot of road race track days, then changing things further will help. Preferrably going to multi-piston units with adequate cooling ducts and maybe slotted rotors (not drilled, they tend to crack and reduce the surface area of the rotor) of course braided brake lines can help pedal feel. Stefan -Original Message- From: Dean Stillie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:19 AM To: Mullikin Stefan P (EEU7RXX); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SD E brake cables You've made a good point. Everyone has to figure out what they want out of their braking system - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:56 PM Subject: RE: SD E brake cables Ah, that's the difference you've removed the rear brake limiting valve. Also given the amount of work the fronts do, I would hope it would stop from 135. Try doing this repeatedly lap after lap with 20 of your other friends doing the same thing inches away from you and you get quite a bit more serious about determining what works and what doesn't. Stefan -Original Message- From: Dean Stillie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:17 AM To: Mullikin Stefan P (EEU7RXX); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SD E brake cables I have neon drums on my rampage with the weight proportioning valve removed it stops from 135 mph I would put rear discs on if it was a street car but just for looks - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: RE: SD E brake cables Huh? Why would you want those big heavy finned drums? The Rampage barely uses the stock 200mm drums as it is. 220mm is overkill (though it helps retain some balance of the system) I don't believe anyone has used those drums on a passenger car before. I used turbo car 220mm drums on mine, but the cables were too long. So I trimmed the return spring down and took up the slack at the adjuster. Perhaps it will be the same for you. You might be better off using the Caravan cables and attaching them to your stock crossover cable. Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis and Sherry Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SD E brake cables When swapping the rear brakes and hubs from a 1989 Caravan onto a 1984 Rampage what do I need to do for the emergency brake cable? Dennis L. Cote ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING-- -- Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 12/29/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
