Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
My 2 cars have factory red valve covers. ;-) Simply put the heat, oil, age etc have made this valve cover appear white. Go find a Ford engine painted grey (80's up)you'll find parts of the engine which appear white... Rick Mosley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, January 26, 2005 11:18 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], shelby-dodge@sdml.org Subject: Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers In a message dated 1/26/2005 7:02:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know this ig probably going to end up in a debate but I have seen (and had) more than my share of TDs... IMHO the pictures on the link below are of a faded valve cover..it was originally silver. I'm not saying they never did a white VC but the one in the pcs looks like many of the old faded ones I have seen/owned. Thanks Chad How would it fade? theres no light comming into the engine bay and shes haver had any major leaks or spills on it.. there was a 90 daytona es out at the u pull it yard and it was definatly a cruddy old silver valve cover..the 90 spirit close buy had the white valve cover.. the spirit had well over 200K on the clock where as the 90 Daytona has 53K in which I pulled the engine for my future buildup sence the car was t-boned beyond drivability.. I guess this is one of those you have to see it for yourself deals.. they are what they are... its not that big of a deal.. im done with this subject..Myth Busted:) Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA - NorCalTurboDodge 84 T2 Paglet - _www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo) (or) _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) Power by TurbosUnleashed, Handeling by PolyBushings.com ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
I haven't really followed this thread that close, nor am I sure why people care if there were white valve covers from factory. However, I have seen first hand a white valve cover. It wasn't oxidized, it wasn't painted by someone else, it was a white valvecover. Looks like it may have been bright white, but 13 years under heat turned it to an off-white. We ended up taking the valvecover off and using zip-strip to get the paint off. (We thought it looked dumb on a blue car) Valve cover was on an unmollested 91 CS Daytona that was electric blue. Motor was a high torque 2.5 TI mitsu motor. Hope that helps someone! Chad- - Original Message - From: Rick Mosley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; shelby-dodge@sdml.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers My 2 cars have factory red valve covers. ;-) Simply put the heat, oil, age etc have made this valve cover appear white. Go find a Ford engine painted grey (80's up)you'll find parts of the engine which appear white... Rick Mosley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, January 26, 2005 11:18 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], shelby-dodge@sdml.org Subject: Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers In a message dated 1/26/2005 7:02:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know this ig probably going to end up in a debate but I have seen (and had) more than my share of TDs... IMHO the pictures on the link below are of a faded valve cover..it was originally silver. I'm not saying they never did a white VC but the one in the pcs looks like many of the old faded ones I have seen/owned. Thanks Chad How would it fade? theres no light comming into the engine bay and shes haver had any major leaks or spills on it.. there was a 90 daytona es out at the u pull it yard and it was definatly a cruddy old silver valve cover..the 90 spirit close buy had the white valve cover.. the spirit had well over 200K on the clock where as the 90 Daytona has 53K in which I pulled the engine for my future buildup sence the car was t-boned beyond drivability.. I guess this is one of those you have to see it for yourself deals.. they are what they are... its not that big of a deal.. im done with this subject..Myth Busted:) Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA - NorCalTurboDodge 84 T2 Paglet - _www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo) (or) _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) Power by TurbosUnleashed, Handeling by PolyBushings.com ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
Mitsu motor Now we're really confused. Rick Mosley -Original Message- From: Chad Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, January 27, 2005 8:19 am To: shelby-dodge@sdml.org Subject: Re: SD (snip) Motor was a high torque 2.5 TI mitsu motor. Hope that helps someone! Chad- - Original Message - From: Rick Mosley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; shelby-dodge@sdml.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
The aluminum alloy reacts with AIR, not light. Depending on the alloy used, the oxidation may be different. Obviously when Chrysler went to the later style one-piece seal valve covers they changed the molds and perhaps the alloy of aluminum used. They obviously changed the coating used on the covers as it broke down much faster than the older covers. Look at most of the aluminum alloy wheels where the clear coat is broken and peeled. The aluminum tends to be cruddy where its reacted with the air. That's the oxidation. Maybe we should bring back the intercooler paint thread? At least that was more interesting to read about... Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; shelby-dodge@sdml.org Subject: Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers In a message dated 1/26/2005 7:02:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know this ig probably going to end up in a debate but I have seen (and had) more than my share of TDs... IMHO the pictures on the link below are of a faded valve cover..it was originally silver. I'm not saying they never did a white VC but the one in the pcs looks like many of the old faded ones I have seen/owned. Thanks Chad another note, why would the valve cover be faded under a decal? that was the first time that section of the valve cover saw light after I peeled it back.. It was whiter than the rest of it.. clean white.. (ok, so I wasnt done.. I am now) ;) Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA - NorCalTurboDodge 84 T2 Paglet - _www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo) (or) _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) Power by TurbosUnleashed, Handeling by PolyBushings.com ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
What is so hard to believe that some manifolds were painted white? I had an 88 Pacifica that was 100% stock when I got it and it had a white valve cover, white under the sticker as well. So you're telling me that somehow an unpainted valve cover got paint on it or clear coat and that paint/clear coat turned a silver aluminium v/c to white? I highly doubt that. I have no doubts that chrysler painted some v/cs white, how about that they never made an extended wheel base turbo mini factory? anyone else see on Gary donovan's page that they did just was never documented. I have only seen 2 of these white V/Cs before every other one I've seen have just been bare aluminium that were not on factory T2 cars, all you people who are saying oh that can't happen or they are just faded just settle down and accept that some of them were painted white. Garret Werstiuk http://shelbyz.cjb.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: shelby-dodge@imagicomm.com Subject: SD Factory white turbo valve covers Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:57:29 EST I think it was P. T. Barnum that said there's a sucker born every minute. That being said, I will go to the junkyard a buy up all the White valve covers there and begin selling there rare items for those of you who think they exist. The price will be $400 since they are probably 3 times rarer than a Shelby valve cover. If $400 is too high I will accept cast Shelby valve covers as partial payment. I have been playing with turbo dodges since I was 15 and bought my first '84 SC. In my 17 years of playing with them I have seen the covers you guys are talking about. They are late model silver covers that have faded from being inside an engine compartment next to a turbo that gets so hot it glows. Think about what you are saying. That would mean Dodge made a white engine compartment piece that would show oil leaks. Think of all the warranty work they would have. In the pics below I see a faded silver valve cover. If you see a white one, I guess you see a white intake manifold too. Like the guy in the movie As Good as it Gets said, Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here. here ya go.. _http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/552000-552999/ 552383_43_fu ll.jpg_ (http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/552000-552999/ 552383_43_full.jpg) I wiped it with a rag.. _http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/552000-552999/ 552383_44_fu ll.jpg_ (http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/552000-552999/ 552383_44_full.jpg) ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
I have only seen 2 of these white V/Cs before every other one I've seen have just been bare aluminium that were not on factory T2 cars, I dont think any valve covers were ever bare aluminum. They all had some kind of coating on them. Be it a black wrinkle finish, or a silver colored paint/powder coating, they all had a coating. Bare aluminum would oxidize, and have a white powdery coating on it that wouldn't look very good. Plus, if there were white valve covers, dont you think the guys who have (a) worked on these cars when they were new, or (b) owned them since they were new would have remembered this, or at least heard of it? Lastly, chrysler had some vendor making these covers. They probably had 1000s of them sitting around waiting to go on cars. Do you honestly think the vendor would have accidently painted a few white? No, if there were white ones, there would be thousands of them, or at least hundreds! But Im sure chrysler got in the covers, and had someone in the back room with a spray can changing them, for the latest white hat special car in the spring! Except this time, the 'white hat' was a valve cover instead of a vinyl top! You guys dont have to like the fact that there were never any white covers made; you just have to accept it. Clay Sent via the Joink WebMail system at abcs.com ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
Here's some more fuel for the fire ;o) I have been into teh TDs for a LONG time... How many of you remember LRE? Bill and the boys USED to make CUSTOM aluminum Valve covers for our cars...WAY back in the early 90s I have seen several differnt sayings and colors...it could be possible someone even painted one of them at some point... (I hope) LOL Chad = Thanks, Chad Lyons Muncie Indiana check out my yahoo groups: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/indyshelbydodgeclub/ http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/lancerlebarongtsfanclub/ 93 Ram 150 5.2 MAGNUM Ext cab Long bed Moby 225k and still going strong 93 Grand Cherokee Limited AWD 5.2 Magnum hers 91 Spirit R/T 2.2 DOHC,A-568 5spd.Red (long term Restification) 88 Lancer Shelby T-2, 555, Factory Sunroof, White Yahoo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: glhfour __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
In a message dated 1/27/2005 9:22:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe we should bring back the intercooler paint thread? At least that was more interesting to read about... Stefan strip it raw, better heat dissapation ;) LOL Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA - NorCalTurboDodge 84 T2 Paglet - _www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo) (or) _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) Power by TurbosUnleashed, Handeling by PolyBushings.com ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
I know this ig probably going to end up in a debate but I have seen (and had) more than my share of TDs... IMHO the pictures on the link below are of a faded valve cover..it was originally silver. I'm not saying they never did a white VC but the one in the pcs looks like many of the old faded ones I have seen/owned. Thanks Chad My aunts orignal owner 89 Daytona ES 97K orignal..never been modded heck, If she didnt need to put gas in it, it wouldnt happen LOL went to her place to fix a few vacuum leaks because she was gettin the power loss light action and the vac lines are starting to crack.. here ya go.. _http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/552000-552999/552383_43_fu ll.jpg_ (http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/552000-552999/552383_43_full.jpg) I wiped it with a rag.. _http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/552000-552999/552383_44_fu ll.jpg_ (http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/552000-552999/552383_44_full.jpg) the picture of the backside didnt turn out legable, has some sort of old decal on the the back that oil and other crap has made it unreadable, all the edges are starting to peel off so I pulled a bit more off, white.. = Thanks, Chad Lyons Muncie Indiana check out my yahoo groups: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/indyshelbydodgeclub/ http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/lancerlebarongtsfanclub/ 93 Ram 150 5.2 MAGNUM Ext cab Long bed Moby 225k and still going strong 93 Grand Cherokee Limited AWD 5.2 Magnum hers 91 Spirit R/T 2.2 DOHC,A-568 5spd.Red (long term Restification) 88 Lancer Shelby T-2, 555, Factory Sunroof, White Yahoo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: glhfour __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
I know this ig probably going to end up in a debate but I have seen (and had) more than my share of TDs... IMHO the pictures on the link below are of a faded valve cover..it was originally silver. I'm not saying they never did a white VC but the one in the pcs looks like many of the old faded ones I have seen/owned. Thanks Chad Ive got to agree 100% with Chad on this. Sent via the Joink WebMail system at abcs.com ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
Hi All, I guess I'd like to jump in here too. (since everyone else has) LOL. I've also had a lot of TD's and have seen many in junk yards. I've seen very faded ones that looked white. But I doubt, were originally. The biggest thing is...Not one person that worked as a tech or sales, has said, Yes, they exist (unless I missed the post) Bob Doherty Coon Rapids, MN. 90 Daytona Shelby TI 89 Daytona Shelby TII 89 LeBaron GTC Convert TII 86 Shelby Charger TI 68 AMC AMX #5816 (Only Numbered Car) -- Original message -- I know this ig probably going to end up in a debate but I have seen (and had) more than my share of TDs... IMHO the pictures on the link below are of a faded valve cover..it was originally silver. ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
In a message dated 1/26/2005 7:02:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know this ig probably going to end up in a debate but I have seen (and had) more than my share of TDs... IMHO the pictures on the link below are of a faded valve cover..it was originally silver. I'm not saying they never did a white VC but the one in the pcs looks like many of the old faded ones I have seen/owned. Thanks Chad How would it fade? theres no light comming into the engine bay and shes haver had any major leaks or spills on it.. there was a 90 daytona es out at the u pull it yard and it was definatly a cruddy old silver valve cover..the 90 spirit close buy had the white valve cover.. the spirit had well over 200K on the clock where as the 90 Daytona has 53K in which I pulled the engine for my future buildup sence the car was t-boned beyond drivability.. I guess this is one of those you have to see it for yourself deals.. they are what they are... its not that big of a deal.. im done with this subject..Myth Busted:) Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA - NorCalTurboDodge 84 T2 Paglet - _www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo) (or) _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) Power by TurbosUnleashed, Handeling by PolyBushings.com ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Factory white turbo valve covers
In a message dated 1/26/2005 7:02:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know this ig probably going to end up in a debate but I have seen (and had) more than my share of TDs... IMHO the pictures on the link below are of a faded valve cover..it was originally silver. I'm not saying they never did a white VC but the one in the pcs looks like many of the old faded ones I have seen/owned. Thanks Chad another note, why would the valve cover be faded under a decal? that was the first time that section of the valve cover saw light after I peeled it back.. It was whiter than the rest of it.. clean white.. (ok, so I wasnt done.. I am now) ;) Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA - NorCalTurboDodge 84 T2 Paglet - _www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo) (or) _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) Power by TurbosUnleashed, Handeling by PolyBushings.com ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
