SD> Does this look right?
I came across this on the internet can this be true or is it a miss print? http://vnt.cbr929rr.com/vnt88.html Brian R. Downard Sr. 1987 Dodge Shelby Charger GLH-S #324 http://www.soulserpentmedia.com/DodgeShelby.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> Does this look right?
looks fine to me, although that was a typo, but there were VNTs running around in 88, albeit prototypes - Original Message - From: "Brian R. Downard Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: SD> Does this look right? > I came across this on the internet can this be true or is it a miss print? > > http://vnt.cbr929rr.com/vnt88.html > > Brian R. Downard Sr. > 1987 Dodge Shelby Charger GLH-S #324 > > http://www.soulserpentmedia.com/DodgeShelby.html > > ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING > Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ > > To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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There were 1988 Dodge Shelby CSX-VNT's around? Does anyone know any information about this for example... how many were made? were they numbered? what colors did they come in? Does anyone on the list own one? - Original Message - From: "MoparTurbo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brian R. Downard Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: Re: SD> Does this look right? looks fine to me, although that was a typo, but there were VNTs running around in 88, albeit prototypes - Original Message - From: "Brian R. Downard Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: SD> Does this look right? I came across this on the internet can this be true or is it a miss print? http://vnt.cbr929rr.com/vnt88.html Brian R. Downard Sr. 1987 Dodge Shelby Charger GLH-S #324 http://www.soulserpentmedia.com/DodgeShelby.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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I have a copy of an article on the "new" 89 Spirit with a side bar story on the "Shelby Spirit". It's a standard ES turbo model with a 16V Lotus head 2.2 that makes 225 hp - 2 years before the Spirit R/T's went into production. Thanks, Marc Medina http://www.geocities.com/mcm95403 < updated 4/25/05 - Original Message - From: "Brian R. Downard Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: SD> Does this look right? > I came across this on the internet can this be true or is it a miss print? > > http://vnt.cbr929rr.com/vnt88.html > > Brian R. Downard Sr. > 1987 Dodge Shelby Charger GLH-S #324 > > http://www.soulserpentmedia.com/DodgeShelby.html > > ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING > Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ > > To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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This sounds like the guy that posted on here at one point about having an 87 or 88 Daytona with "experimental" airbags. There are going to be some weird ones out there since there were a few "special" cars out there. Marc Medina wrote: I have a copy of an article on the "new" 89 Spirit with a side bar story on the "Shelby Spirit". It's a standard ES turbo model with a 16V Lotus head 2.2 that makes 225 hp - 2 years before the Spirit R/T's went into production. Thanks, Marc Medina http://www.geocities.com/mcm95403 < updated 4/25/05 - Original Message - From: "Brian R. Downard Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: SD> Does this look right? I came across this on the internet can this be true or is it a miss print? http://vnt.cbr929rr.com/vnt88.html Brian R. Downard Sr. 1987 Dodge Shelby Charger GLH-S #324 http://www.soulserpentmedia.com/DodgeShelby.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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That was the "Birthday Car" It was an 88 Shadow/Sundance Turbo that built from prototype and pre-production parts for Carroll Shelby by his workers and presented to him on his birthday in 1988 (there was an Autoweek article about him and the car in 88). It isn't really an 88 CSX-T. More like an 89/90 CSX-VNT prototype. Eventually, this car had a 16-valve Lotus head motor and other parts and pieces and was sold at the Shelby Automobiles Auction. A while ago, it was found and restored by a couple of S-D folks. Very pretty car and a great job on the restoration. BTW, they had 16-valve heads back in the early eighties as test mules and prototypes. 86 GLH-S number 1 has a head designed by Hans Herman. It is Carroll Shelby's personal GLH-S (and his favorite car to drive) The 88 CSX-T (T stands for Thrifty Car Rental) was produced to fill Thrifty with neat cars for rent. Much like the Mustang GT-350H (H is for Hertz) Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian R. Downard Sr. Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SD> Does this look right? I came across this on the internet can this be true or is it a miss print? http://vnt.cbr929rr.com/vnt88.html Brian R. Downard Sr. 1987 Dodge Shelby Charger GLH-S #324 http://www.soulserpentmedia.com/DodgeShelby.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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I'll be one to question the figures of 1,xxx '88 Daytonas with an airbag. I would swear that a LOT more than that were made with them. I see them all the time in the junk yards. There were not "officially" available until '89, but they definitely had them in 1988. No question about it. And quite a few of them had it in 1988. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE SD> Does this look right?
are you sure what you were looking at were 88 models. the dash for the 88 and 89 are identical. dash design didnt change until 1990. 3 easy ways to tell an 88 from an 89. the first is look at the build date in the drivers door jamb on the door itself if its still there or still legible. the 89 model production run started in october of 1988. anything before that is an 88 model. the second thing is the headlamp door motor wiring. the 88 models used a 4 wire plug for the door motors, the 89s used a 2 wire plug for the door motors. the third way to tell is by looking at the VIN specifically the 11th digit as counted from the left to right. A is 1981, B is 1982, C is 1983, so G is 1988 and H should denote 1989. hope this clears things up a bit mat. ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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You're a little off in your VIN info. The model year of any vehicle manufactured from 1980 on is the 10th digit of the 17 digit VIN, counting from the start of the VIN Some examples are: A=1980,B=81,C=82,D=83,E=84,F=85, G=86, H=87, J=88, K=89, L=90,M= 91. Note there is no i, o ,q or y in this system. This was done to prevent confusion between similar looking letters and also so model year 2001 could begin to reuse the numeric system again. eg. 1 = 2001 Thanks Randy Hicks 86 GLH S60 86 GLHS 373 89 Turbo Minivan 83 Turbo Rampage 79 CBX slightly modified Edmonton,Alberta,Canada > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > . the third way to tell is by looking at the VIN specifically the 11th digit > as counted from the left to right. A is 1981, B is 1982, C is 1983, so G is > 1988 and H should denote 1989. > > > > hope this clears things up a bit > > mat. ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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actually the dodge daytona did have an airbag installed in the steering wheel in 1988. my 1988 shelby Z with a build date of april 1988 has a factory installed airbag wheel, and the stock wiring harness is a 1988 airbag harness. this car was not modded to have this. its a factory harness setup. at the end of the 1988 production model year airbags were phased in. there were a total of 1,859 daytonas of all type in 1988 produced with the airbag available for purchase by the public at the end of 1988. the 1987 and 1988 daytona forward engine compartment harness used a 4 wire plug for the pop up headlamp motors, the 89 daytona with same dash and interior used a 2 wire plug for the pop up headlamp motors. my 1988 harness has the 4 wire plugs for the lamp motors as an 88 should but also has all the wiring and the sensors for the airbag. the harness was unmolested until i cleaned and rewrapped it. the vehicle total info on the 1988 daytona with airbags i got from chryslers historical archives. did they make a production 1988 daytona with airbags. you bet they did. 1,859 to be exact. for 1987 they did not have an airbag. there is no record of that at chrysler. plus if they had started doing this in 1987 then all the 1988 models would have had an airbag. just a small correction and the facts mat ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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Isn't 89 the year they added "nose" vents too? Shane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE SD> Does this look right? are you sure what you were looking at were 88 models. the dash for the 88 and 89 are identical. dash design didnt change until 1990. 3 easy ways to tell an 88 from an 89. the first is look at the build date in the drivers door jamb on the door itself if its still there or still legible. the 89 model production run started in october of 1988. anything before that is an 88 model. the second thing is the headlamp door motor wiring. the 88 models used a 4 wire plug for the door motors, the 89s used a 2 wire plug for the door motors. the third way to tell is by looking at the VIN specifically the 11th digit as counted from the left to right. A is 1981, B is 1982, C is 1983, so G is 1988 and H should denote 1989. hope this clears things up a bit mat. ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING-- -- Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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Actually, when I look at pre-1990 Daytonas the thing that draws me towards them is underhood stuff. You should be able to quickly distingush '88 from '89 by a commonblock or non-commonblock engine. Granted the engines aren't necessarily original but whoever did the swap would get a rude awakening from parts that didn't fit. I never kept real accurate count, but being able to see five confirmed '88 airbag equipped cars out of 1500 in just my own junkyarding the chances of that are slim. That is why I would swear there were more out there. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are you sure what you were looking at were 88 models. the dash for the 88 and 89 are identical. dash design didnt change until 1990. 3 easy ways to tell an 88 from an 89. the first is look at the build date in the drivers door jamb on the door itself if its still there or still legible. the 89 model production run started in october of 1988. anything before that is an 88 model. the second thing is the headlamp door motor wiring. the 88 models used a 4 wire plug for the door motors, the 89s used a 2 wire plug for the door motors. the third way to tell is by looking at the VIN specifically the 11th digit as counted from the left to right. A is 1981, B is 1982, C is 1983, so G is 1988 and H should denote 1989. hope this clears things up a bit mat. - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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the number is actually 1,859 units made with the airbag in the end of 1988 production. this is chryslers official count. or at least what they told me when i called them to ask this question a few years ago. i have not seen another 88 turbo airbag or N/A airbag car in my travels to any junkyard. except my 88 shelby that i currently own. most of the daytonas in my local yards are 89 model cars with the 2 wire headlamp motor plugs. the few 88s i have found so far with exception to my car had a regular wheel no bag. thats not to say in different areas of the country may have gotten most of the 88 end of the year run. its possible. tho the 3 things i mentioned would prove if it was an 88 or 89. the VIN digits especially. if you really want to find out for yourself if the figure for this count is 1,859 or more or less then call the chrysler historical archives at 1(888)456 1924. i have called them and according to them this figure is correct. mat ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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> From: Paul T. Standaert > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: RE SD> Does this look right? > > I never kept real accurate count, but being able to see five > confirmed '88 airbag equipped cars out of 1500 in just my own > junkyarding the chances of that are slim. That is why I would > swear there were more out there. > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:34 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: RE SD> Does this look right? > > the number is actually 1,859 units made with the airbag in the end of 1988 > production. this is chryslers official count... Were all these cars built at the same plant, and/or shipped to the same part of the country? That could explain why some people find many of them, and others find few. Did a law go into the books somewhere during the Summer of '88 that mandated airbags? If so, those states are where you would find most of these cars. __ Dan Harling <><'70 Challenger 340 4-spd (eternal project) [EMAIL PROTECTED] '89 LeBaron 2.5 intercooled (running!) '95 Ram V10 extended cab (beast of burden) If it ain't broke, you're not trying! ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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In a message dated 5/28/2005 7:29:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the 1987 and 1988 daytona forward engine compartment harness used a 4 wire plug for the pop up headlamp motors, the 89 daytona with same dash and interior used a 2 wire plug for the pop up headlamp motors. my 1988 harness has the 4 wire plugs for the lamp motors as an 88 should but also has all the wiring and the sensors for the airbag. the harness was unmolested until i cleaned and rewrapped it. I`ve had a lot more with airbag in 88 than w/o.I`d say around 10 have had the airbag and 4 w/o. TRAVIS FOSTER,GREENVILLE,S.C.,89 Shelby CSX-VNT #198 <~maybe fs depending on the week,89 daytona shelby _13.6 @ 103, 71_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED],%2071) `Cuda 383 original [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) stock,98 GC deep slate 5.9 limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] , 2000 YUKON XL SLT 4WD ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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that may be so and you were the lucky one to have that many 1988 daytonas with this feature since it was pretty odd for the 1988 model run . however the figure for the amount that were made this way came right from information kept at chryslers archives. of the total of 66,407 daytonas made in 1988 only 1,859 daytonas in 1988 towards the end of the model run had the airbag as standard equipment. all 1989 models of daytona came with the airbag with the exception of some export models. hope this helps mat ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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In a message dated 5/28/2005 11:04:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: that may be so and you were the lucky one to have that many 1988 daytonas with this feature since it was pretty odd for the 1988 model run . however the figure for the amount that were made this way came right from information kept at chryslers archives. of the total of 66,407 daytonas made in 1988 only 1,859 daytonas in 1988 towards the end of the model run had the airbag as standard equipment. all 1989 models of daytona came with the airbag with the exception of some export models. hope this helps mat most of mine were pacifica`s that had it. Most also came from 1 dealership. TRAVIS FOSTER,GREENVILLE,S.C.,89 Shelby CSX-VNT #198 <~maybe fs depending on the week,89 daytona shelby _13.6 @ 103, 71_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED],%2071) `Cuda 383 original [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) stock,98 GC deep slate 5.9 limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] , 2000 YUKON XL SLT 4WD ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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I had an 88 shelby z parts car... we removed the airbag and popped it using a few feet of wire and a 9v battery and that thing flew! Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA. - 1984 T2 Rampage "Ramlet" _www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo) - _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
