Re: [Shotwell] Feedback and ideas: deleting events, saving EXIF rotation, etc.
A quick and easy way to achieve that could be an option to import photos into a special event i.e. named incoming. From there you could move/distibute them into the events according to your preferences. What about that? N :-) I agree that the day-based events are a bit fine grained sometimes, but it is easier to merge multiple events (it is trivial to be exact) rather than to fish out correct photos out of one mega-event (err, did I take that tree picture in Rome or Barcelona again? :-)) What would be sensible is to have an option that creates one event per import, a film roll as some programs call it, I believe. But other than than I am happy with the way it is. If you know that you were in Barcelona from Nov 10-Nov 30, just select those 20 events and click on merge. Done. I agree that folder-based events would also make sense for those of us who come from the old world of folder-based organization :-). So either per: date, import, or folder, but not a mega-incoming event please :). Thanks, Sebastian ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell
Re: [Shotwell] RFC - option to force Import to overwrite originals by [Shotwell-perceived] duplicates
Discplaimer: Nnote that I am related to shotwell development. Shotwell thinks the adjusted files are duplicates, and declines to import them, so it is necessary to identify the images in the general Photos view, and move them to the Wastebasket. All I had to do now was Import the directories again? WRONG AGAIN! Preventing duplicates is one of the beauties of shotwell for me. I often run an import from a camera sd card twice without deleting the pictures inbetween, I often import from a network share where my wife has put new photos in various locations, etc. I were lost if not for the duplicate detection :-). All the images that I'd put in the Wastebasket were restored, and my images with the adjusted EXIF data were ignored again. I would consider the first one a bug, if I put it in the trash (mostly unsharp and crappy pictures) I don't want them restored on repeated imports. (they are still crappy :-)) To resolve this, it was necessary to find all the relevant images in the Photo view - which is not straightforward unless they happen to be contiguous - select them all, move them to the Wastebasket AND empty the Wastebasket before I could import the adjusted images and have them put together as events. What you could do is to delete the underlying files and they would be shown as missing on the next start which allows you to easily throw them in the trash. 1. There are perfectly good reasons which I might like to have two or more absolutely identical images in different directories, and to be able to track them using Shotwell - for example I might have a working directory which starts off as an exact copy of an archive directory which I plan to leave untouched. Why doesn't Shotwell recognise this as an option? Because in the easy and common case users don't want duplicates? :-) And there are only a handful of shotwell developers that can't cater for the more complex cases from the very beginning? Shotwell is still a young app. 2. In my view, a Wastebasket image has already been flagged as unwanted, so when I choose to Import a duplicate (in Shotwell's terms) its information should overwrite the original. I disagree, in my usecase once I've thrown a picture in the wastebasket, I don't want it to be reimported. ooh, zombie photos otherwise :). 3. When an attempt is made to Import an image which appears to be identical to one already in Shotwell's database, the option of overwriting the original entry should be offered, as should the option of creating a new entry. That might be an option but it should have the possibility to set permanent defaults. I don't want to click through 9k of photos again and again, saying that I really don't want to reimport them every time... 4. I'd like to be able to see that I have several versions of the same file in a directory, even though they might appear to be identical to Shotwell. I might, for example, keep 800x600 and 1024x768 versions of the same image and have them separately tagged for different export jobs. If they have different resolution, they are (for shotwell) different images as the files differ, so that should already be possible. The problem I see is that people have very different use cases and work flows and catering for all these is impossible without creating a whole slur of complex user options (which is against the shotwell philosophy). So what might seem as stupidity and neglect to you, might be the main feature and advantage to me :). Sebastian ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell
Re: [Shotwell] RFC - option to force Import to overwrite originals by [Shotwell-perceived] duplicates
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 09:33 +0200, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: Discplaimer: Nnote that I am related to shotwell development. Shotwell thinks the adjusted files are duplicates, and declines to import them, so it is necessary to identify the images in the general Photos view, and move them to the Wastebasket. All I had to do now was Import the directories again? WRONG AGAIN! Preventing duplicates is one of the beauties of shotwell for me. I often run an import from a camera sd card twice without deleting the pictures inbetween, I often import from a network share where my wife has put new photos in various locations, etc. I were lost if not for the duplicate detection :-). So the rest of us have to suffer because of your carelessness? G At the very least, there should be a warning of the duplicates, and an option to go ahead anyway, with a configuration option to ban all duplicates. All the images that I'd put in the Wastebasket were restored, and my images with the adjusted EXIF data were ignored again. I would consider the first one a bug, if I put it in the trash (mostly unsharp and crappy pictures) I don't want them restored on repeated imports. (they are still crappy :-)) Glad we can agree about something! To resolve this, it was necessary to find all the relevant images in the Photo view - which is not straightforward unless they happen to be contiguous - select them all, move them to the Wastebasket AND empty the Wastebasket before I could import the adjusted images and have them put together as events. What you could do is to delete the underlying files and they would be shown as missing on the next start which allows you to easily throw them in the trash. But I want to keep the underlying files, with their EXIF data changed. I agree that this would be a reliable way of ensuring the removal of the dud information, using the sequence: 1. Open the relevant directory in the file manager. 2. Send its contents to the Deleted Items folder. 3. Close Shotwell. 4. Open Shotwell. 5. Wait for Shotwell to scan through and discover that files are missing. 6. Authorise their deletion from Shotwell. 7. Restore the directory's contents from the Deleted Items folder. 8. Make the adjustments to the EXIF data. 9. Import the folder using Shotwell. It's a bit of a long way round. 1. There are perfectly good reasons which I might like to have two or more absolutely identical images in different directories, and to be able to track them using Shotwell - for example I might have a working directory which starts off as an exact copy of an archive directory which I plan to leave untouched. Why doesn't Shotwell recognise this as an option? Because in the easy and common case users don't want duplicates? :-) And there are only a handful of shotwell developers that can't cater for the more complex cases from the very beginning? Shotwell is still a young app. 2. In my view, a Wastebasket image has already been flagged as unwanted, so when I choose to Import a duplicate (in Shotwell's terms) its information should overwrite the original. I disagree, in my usecase once I've thrown a picture in the wastebasket, I don't want it to be reimported. ooh, zombie photos otherwise :). You agreed (above) that restoring information from the Wastebasket is the wrong thing to do when an attempt to import apparently identical images is made. Are you suggesting that once you've emptied the Wastebasket Shotwell should remember that you've got rid of an image and never want it imported again? 3. When an attempt is made to Import an image which appears to be identical to one already in Shotwell's database, the option of overwriting the original entry should be offered, as should the option of creating a new entry. That might be an option but it should have the possibility to set permanent defaults. I don't want to click through 9k of photos again and again, saying that I really don't want to reimport them every time... Agreed, or a warning about duplicates and a set of Yes...Yes to all...No...No to all import options would sort that. 4. I'd like to be able to see that I have several versions of the same file in a directory, even though they might appear to be identical to Shotwell. I might, for example, keep 800x600 and 1024x768 versions of the same image and have them separately tagged for different export jobs. If they have different resolution, they are (for shotwell) different images as the files differ, so that should already be possible. Doesn't work for me - I think it's because the thumbnails are identical, and the test for identicality doesn't take file-size or EXIF data into consideration. The problem I see is that people have very different use cases and work flows and catering for all these is impossible without creating a whole slur of complex user options (which is against the shotwell philosophy). So
Re: [Shotwell] feature request: title just like in picasa
Hello, On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Levente Torok torok...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys again, I'd like to know if titles can be displayed in full screen mode (just like in picasa). This is something we're considering: http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2238 I am also missing a possibility to edit it as easy as in picasa (one-by-one). Or am I trying to use this tool in a way that is not its own? Cheers, I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean edit the image (crop, rotate, etc.) or edit its title, tags, etc.? -- Jim ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell
Re: [Shotwell] feature request: title just like in picasa
Hi Adam and Jim and the list, Thanks guys for considering my opinion. This would be a very nice thing however what bothers me is that I have to right click on every image and select the function title editing (or so). Whenever I am in the process of writing titles I am concentrating on the story on the images and it is very much bothering that I have to repeat these extra clicks all the time instead of being able to write the titles as a sequence. Indeed, picasa is not very optimal either, since it requires an extra click under every image but it is probably the least that we can expect from a user. On the other hand, being able to edit titles in full screen mode would be a super cool thing but I would consider full screen operations only as a secondary thing, since most users think of it as a display only thing, it is meant to be a monitor for the end product, the slide show. So what I am proposing is first to be able to access caption editing faster then it is now, plus, if a user presses PgDn - PgUp in the editing mode, focus moves to the next next - previous image caption. What do you think? ps: did my former mail on sorting reached the list? In that I wrote that I would be very very happy to meet an image viewer in which I can order images just like in picasa (arbitrarily moving back and forth) and be able to export to picasa web storage with that order and captions and keep it in sync in both ways (upstream and downstream). I would want to completely replace picasa with an alternative because of its annoying bugs and hidden behaviour. Levente On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Adam Dingle a...@yorba.org wrote: On 10/13/2010 09:48 AM, Jim Nelson wrote: Hello, On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Levente Toroktorok...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys again, I'd like to know if titles can be displayed in full screen mode (just like in picasa). This is something we're considering: http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2238 I am also missing a possibility to edit it as easy as in picasa (one-by-one). Or am I trying to use this tool in a way that is not its own? Cheers, I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean edit the image (crop, rotate, etc.) or edit its title, tags, etc.? I believe that Levente was asking to be able to edit the caption in full-screen mode, just like in Picasa. That's a reasonable idea and I've added a comment reflecting that to the ticket above. adam ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell
Re: [Shotwell] feature request: title just like in picasa
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Levente Torok torok...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, being able to edit titles in full screen mode would be a super cool thing but I would consider full screen operations only as a secondary thing, since most users think of it as a display only thing, it is meant to be a monitor for the end product, the slide show. So what I am proposing is first to be able to access caption editing faster then it is now, plus, if a user presses PgDn - PgUp in the editing mode, focus moves to the next next - previous image caption. What do you think? I think this makes sense -- you're making a point about workflow, which is something we've been thinking about here. I see the problem you're describing, but do you have a design in mind? Would you want to be able to simply click on the title and edit it in-place? I understand wanting to minimize mouse clicks and/or keystrokes, but it seems that there needs to be at least one action to activate title editing. ps: did my former mail on sorting reached the list? In that I wrote that I would be very very happy to meet an image viewer in which I can order images just like in picasa (arbitrarily moving back and forth) and be able to export to picasa web storage with that order and captions and keep it in sync in both ways (upstream and downstream). The email did not make it through the list and it don't see it in the pending queue. Can you re-send? I've created a new ticket for what you're asking, but in a more general sense (all Web services, not merely PicasaWeb). We have been discussing this for a while, but it doesn't look like it was ticketed properly. Thanks, -- Jim ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell
Re: [Shotwell] feature request: title just like in picasa
Ühel kenal päeval, K, 2010-10-13 kell 15:00, kirjutas Jim Nelson: I think this makes sense -- you're making a point about workflow, which is something we've been thinking about here. I see the problem you're describing, but do you have a design in mind? Would you want to be able to simply click on the title and edit it in-place? I understand wanting to minimize mouse clicks and/or keystrokes, but it seems that there needs to be at least one action to activate title editing. I think there should be three possibilities: 1. Clicking on the title (should it select all or not?) 2. Pressing a shortcut like Ctrl+T or simply t 3. Title bar could end with a little tick Batch Title mode, in which Page Up/Down and Enter would change pictures and title would always be active for directly typing. Mattias ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell
