Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
On Dec 10, 2007 8:39 AM, Gautam John wrote: I'm currently working with a non-profit and as part of our work we run ~400 libraries across Bangalore and many more across the state. We are hopeful, if we find sponsors, of putting a computer in each library both to manage the library and as a tool for the kids to work/play with. As it stands, the computer request includes Windows XP as the OS of choice. If the hardware specifications are recent (dual core processor, 1 gb ram etc...) you could look at a virtualized instance of windows i.e. one that runs as a virtual machine within a Ubuntu installation (AFAIK, a windows XP license allows you to install it on one desktop and also another instance as a virtual machine...)... VmWare player is free (http://www.vmware.com/player)... To manage libraries there is an excellent opensource library management system called Koha (http://www.koha.org/). Basically the virtual windows instance means that even if the virtual windows gets hit by viruses, malware etc.. you can simply delete the virtual windows, and copy a backed up instance of the virtual machine and have it up and running again instantly. Much much easier to manage than having to invest in antivirus and re-installing windows etc... On the other hand, I have been using Ubuntu for a while now and am happy with it and the philosophy behind it. However, it's difficult to translate this into a meaningful argument for a project of this scale. As far as I can tell there is the price/support argument and the philosophy, which matters less than I might expect.
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
One fat (comparatively fat at least) box running xp, and multiple thin clients running citrix winframe or similar. Or hell, wyse terminals running X windows. srs
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
Thank you, all, for the suggestions. As it stands, we will install one computer per library and if BSNL get their act together, each one will have an Internet connection. However, the latter is not a given. Amongst the suggestions, a common thread, barring Eugen, is ways and methods to 'secure' XP. Surely Ubuntu would be a better bet? I was rather hoping for arguments that I could use in favour of that. But, I suppose, freedom of choice would mean giving the end user the ability to use XP or Ubuntu. Though I'm not sure we have the resources to maintain both. Cheers! -Gautam
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
Gautam John said the following on 10/12/2007 12:35: their act together, each one will have an Internet connection. However, the latter is not a given. ... suppose, freedom of choice would mean giving the end user the ability to use XP or Ubuntu. Though I'm not sure we have the resources to maintain both. If internet access is not a given, what are the computers going to be used for? Do you have any apps in mind? Edubuntu comes bundled with several apps - XP does not. Would that itself be a deciding factor? Ram
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
On 10-Dec-07, at 2:05 PM, Gautam John wrote: Amongst the suggestions, a common thread, barring Eugen, is ways and methods to 'secure' XP. Surely Ubuntu would be a better bet? I was rather hoping for arguments that I could use in favour of that. But, I suppose, freedom of choice would mean giving the end user the ability to use XP or Ubuntu. Though I'm not sure we have the resources to maintain both. What are the arguments against non-Windows setups? I'd say the choice between Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu would be a fair one.
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
On Dec 10, 2007 2:16 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If internet access is not a given, what are the computers going to be used for? Do you have any apps in mind? Edubuntu comes bundled with several apps - XP does not. Would that itself be a deciding factor? A primary purpose is to maintain a roster of books and track what's being read etc. Assuming internet access, we'd like to collate this data centrally. As an aside, we're currently looking for an open source library management package. The idea is also to load 'educational titles', thus far XP based, so that the kids have an adjunct to the books.
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
A primary purpose is to maintain a roster of books and track what's being read etc. Assuming internet access, we'd like to collate this data centrally. As an aside, we're currently looking for an open source library management package. The idea is also to load 'educational titles', thus far XP based, so that the kids have an adjunct to the books. Edubuntu + koha is just fine for that. Especially if there aint no internet connection
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
On Dec 10, 2007 2:17 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the arguments against non-Windows setups? I'd say the choice between Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu would be a fair one. That it isn't Windows. Though I'd be happy if I could find a study that showed that it doesn't really matter to kids what the OS/apps are...
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
Suresh Ramasubramanian said the following on 10/12/2007 12:52: data centrally. As an aside, we're currently looking for an open source library management package. Edubuntu + koha is just fine for that. Yes, but Koha's a pain to setup. I tried it some time ago and gave up. Ram
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 1:08 pm, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: By carrying that statement to its logical end, I'd say Hindus are not alone - the Muslims fear being dubbed hardcore radicals if they wear traditional Islamic attire, and the Christians fear being termed as proselytizing missionaries when they wear the cross and carry a Bible. This in fact is an interesting observation although I disagree with the detail. A far larger percentage of Hindus and Christians in the West are likely to behave secular and deny religious belief than Muslims. In India criticizing a Muslim or criticizing a proselytizing missionary carries more negative consequences than criticizing Hindu behavior. Perhaps I am taking the analogy too far (but maybe I am not) but in India the criticism faced by a Hindu is practically the same whether he kills a Muslim or a Christian, or whether he merely criticizes them. Either way he is dubbed a murderer just as the steps I have seen in this thread that escalate group blame from editing an encyclopedia to being goose stepping murderers. Easier to set up a murder if the consequences are the same. With law enforcement and judicial system being what it is the real murderer will never be booked, and a whole group will get branded and will live with the brand. The same paradigm holds true for Islamist terrorism. Tightening law enforcement and the judicial system are only half the answer. The other half lies in consciously accepting that group guilt and group responsibility for crimes or perceived crimes are both legally and morally wrong and to move towards identification of individuals rather than groups. This acceptance does not exist at the highest levels in India and I can frequently pick up media examples in which a group is held guilty, or group punishment inflicted on a group is overlooked as a genuine expression of grievance. Both are wrong. Judging by the depth of penetration of these traits among Indians I can see that upholding of the constitution has got to be an onerous, uphill task. shiv
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 1:10 pm, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote: I'm an atheist, sometimes militantly so, and I have several friends who are openly religiously Hindu. No one, to my knowledge, has ever suggested that they are right-wing Hindus. Your friends are lucky, because they would be dubbed murderers the minute they get branded as right wing. I have not been so lucky and have often been branded a right wing RSS supporter, which makes me a murderer of Christians. When we speak of personal experiences, yours is different from mine. shiv
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
Perhaps I am taking the analogy too far (but maybe I am not) but in India the criticism faced by a Hindu is practically the same whether he kills a Collective guilt? Well, I don't know. Nothing short of public apathy - and a latent hatred of muslims - would have made conditions ripe for someone like Modi. I have a friend who is a roman catholic from the konkan coast (the sort who were hindus a few centuries ago till converted by the Portuguese missionaries) - stayed at Ahmedabad for about a year in the late 90s. He tried very hard to rent an apartment in predominantly hindu localities - which just happened to be closer to where his office was. No dice. So, told the realtor to go back to the nicer apartments and call him Mohan Prabhu (the hindu name he has, traditionally, along with his Christian name .. Konkani Christians from those clans - Miranda, Remedios etc - generally do) and he found zero trouble getting space from the same landlords who insisted they were full up, or flat out refused to rent to a guy with a muslim sounding name
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
On Dec 10, 2007 2:37 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but Koha's a pain to setup. I tried it some time ago and gave up. What did you end up using?
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
Congratulations ! I wish I was there. Cheers ! Valsa On Dec 9, 2007 8:34 PM, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first message on Silklist [1] was sent on 19 December 1997. Next Wednesday, it'll be 10 years since that happened. Many generations in internet time, or even in dog years. Anybody wants to do a meetup where lots of beer is comsumed, and stories are traded? Discuss. Udhay [1] http://www.netropolis.org/silklist/msg3.html -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
On Dec 10, 2007 12:07 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote: data centrally. As an aside, we're currently looking for an open source library management package. Edubuntu + koha is just fine for that. Yes, but Koha's a pain to setup. I tried it some time ago and gave up. Yeah, koha has a slight learning curve but the community support is good. You should be able to find Koha skills locally... (I am involved in a project automating parliamentary libraries in africa... and we have used Koha, as skills were available locally within african universities)
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
An organisation called L2C2 in Kolkatta contributes and implements Koha. The lead person's name is Indranil Das Gupta email id : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gautam, do contact him. On Dec 10, 2007 3:11 PM, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 2:37 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but Koha's a pain to setup. I tried it some time ago and gave up. What did you end up using?
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
An organisation called L2C2 in Kolkatta contributes and implements Koha. The lead person's name is Indranil Das Gupta email id : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gautam, do contact him. Indranil is a good guy - I know him from his ilug-cal days srs
Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism
On Dec 10, 2007 3:22 PM, Valsa Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An organisation called L2C2 in Kolkatta contributes and implements Koha. The lead person's name is Indranil Das Gupta email id : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gautam, do contact him. Thanks Valsa!
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Dec 10, 2007 12:28 PM, shiv sastry wrote: A far larger percentage of Hindus and Christians in the West are likely to behave secular and deny religious belief than Muslims. Where do you get such information? i know very many expatriate / people-of- indian origin muslims / hindus who behave secular, and act in ways not associated with the cliches you are suggesting I also know many such people who are religious and traditional despite having lived their lives away from india
[silk] FoU Camp V3 Pictures
Hey Silkers Moods and Dudes at the FoUCamp V3. These are a few pictures through my lens http://flickr.com/photos/ramkrsna/sets/72157603413659484/ My favorite picture is the Coconut and the Vodka. regards -- Ramakrishna Reddy GPG Key ID:31FF0090 Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 3:06 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Nothing short of public apathy - and a latent hatred of muslims - would have made conditions ripe for someone like Modi. It is public ignorance rather than public apathy Do you know that it is easily possible to justify the massacre of Muslims in Gujarat if you just get your arguments right? I believe this is exactly what India is setting itself up for by failing to understand that group punishment by one entity cannot be criticized while condoning and overlooking group punishment by another entity. Unfortunately, politics favors criticism of the right wing as a group rather than cracking down on the idea group punishment and group guilt. Every act of Islamist terrorism is openly touted as punishment of a group for a previous wrong on Muslims as a group. Political parties and commentators frequently overlook this fact for their own ends, and that actually opens the door wider for group punishment of Muslims by Hindu groups. Check the photo I took of a poster in Bangalore that clearly links group punishment in the form of bomb blasts to persecution of Muslims http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/cybersurg/brf/muslim-riot-blast.jpg All it takes is a Modi to call for retaliation, justifying the random killing of Muslims as retaliation for random bomb blasts (or some other trigger). Tit for tat. In India we don't seem to recognize that group blame and group guilt are concepts that are not constitutionally valid and need to be condemned whoever does them. But we have not even reached a stage of being able to recognize when an entire group is being blamed or implicated. Innocent citizens of Mumbai were punished in retaliation for the demolition of the Babri Masjid in a tit for tat retribution. A thousand Innocent Muslims were murdered in Gujarat in an ostensibly tit for tat retribution for the burning of Hindu pilgrims in a railway coach. If the the entire right wing are blamed for the latter, how is it wrong for the right wing to blame all Muslims for the former? Tit for tat group blame and group punishment after all. If you can blame the entire right wing, you need to blame all Muslims, in order to be fair. When will educated Indians start seeing the contraditions that we live with? Like I said, it is ignorance. Not apathy. shiv
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Dec 10, 2007 4:09 PM, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the the entire right wing are blamed for the latter, how is it wrong for the right wing to blame all Muslims for the former? Tit for tat group blame and group punishment after all. If you can blame the entire right wing, you need to blame all Muslims, in order to be fair. Not really. By that line of reasoning, all right wing Muslims would need to blamed -- the ones who explicitly or implicitly support terrorism -- not all Muslims. Not that I am supporting the concept of group blame, but this particular argument sounds like a strawman to me. Both right wing Hindus and Muslims are being blamed here. I don't really see a case for religion-based discrimination. Venky.
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 3:32 pm, ashok _ wrote: A far larger percentage of Hindus and Christians in the West are likely to behave secular and deny religious belief than Muslims. Where do you get such information? i know very many expatriate / people-of- indian origin muslims / hindus who behave secular, and act in ways not associated with the cliches you are suggesting I also know many such people who are religious and traditional despite having lived their lives away from india... I am not talking of private behavior. In public count the percentage of Hindu women wearing bindis or mangalsutras versus Muslim women wearing hijabs in say the UK. shiv
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
I am not talking of private behavior. In public count the percentage of Hindu women wearing bindis or mangalsutras versus Muslim women wearing hijabs in say the UK. Er. Count the number of hindu women wearing a madisar 9 yard saree v/s the hejab.
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
On 12/9/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first message on Silklist [1] was sent on 19 December 1997. Next Wednesday, it'll be 10 years since that happened. Many generations in internet time, or even in dog years. Anybody wants to do a meetup where lots of beer is comsumed, and stories are traded? Discuss. Udhay Will be missing this one, too, as I am out of towneither it's a jinx or a devious plot...I am not interested in the beer but in the stories... Deepa. [1] http://www.netropolis.org/silklist/msg3.html -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Dec 10, 2007 2:55 PM, shiv sastry wrote: I am not talking of private behavior. In public count the percentage of Hindu women wearing bindis or mangalsutras versus Muslim women wearing hijabs in say the UK. how would such a count be attempted... ? You speak as if you already conducted such a count
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 6:44 pm, ashok _ wrote: how would such a count be attempted... ? You speak as if you already conducted such a count er yes shiv
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 5:01 pm, Venky TV wrote: Not really. By that line of reasoning, all right wing Muslims would need to blamed -- the ones who explicitly or implicitly support terrorism -- not all Muslims. Bingo!. If we split hairs this is spot on. So when did you last hear anyone blaming any Muslims, right wing or any wing for any bomb blasts? I only hear that terrorists have no religion but, on the other hand, Muslims get killed by right wing Hindus. Lots of straw men about it seems. shiv
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
Wednesday is a bad day. Therefore it may be a good day to meet. I don't like beer but it will do if the place does not have conversation-killingly loud music. shiv On Sunday 09 Dec 2007 8:34 pm, Udhay Shankar N wrote: The first message on Silklist [1] was sent on 19 December 1997. Next Wednesday, it'll be 10 years since that happened. Many generations in internet time, or even in dog years. Anybody wants to do a meetup where lots of beer is comsumed, and stories are traded? Discuss. Udhay [1] http://www.netropolis.org/silklist/msg3.html
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 06:59 PM 12/10/2007 ] Wednesday is a bad day. Therefore it may be a good day to meet. I don't like beer but it will do if the place does not have conversation-killingly loud music. How about your house? :-) Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Dec 10, 2007 6:55 PM, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So when did you last hear anyone blaming any Muslims, right wing or any wing for any bomb blasts? I only hear that terrorists have no religion but, on the other hand, Muslims get killed by right wing Hindus. I *have* encountered the phrase terrorists have no religion but definitely not as often as the term Islamic fundamentalists or Muslim extremists. Most bomb blast reports in India routinely blame Muslim militants anyway[1][2]. Venky. [1] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Serial_blasts_claim_12_lives_in_Uttar_Pradesh/articleshow/2564801.cms [2] http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=12840
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Dec 10, 2007 4:21 PM, shiv sastry wrote: er yes shiv maybe you counted the same women twice or thrice over... since its hard to differentiate at a glance between two women wearing a hijab :)
Re: [silk] FoU Camp V3 Pictures
Ramakrishna Reddy wrote: [ on 04:08 PM 12/10/2007 ] Hey Silkers Moods and Dudes at the FoUCamp V3. These are a few pictures through my lens http://flickr.com/photos/ramkrsna/sets/72157603413659484/ My favorite picture is the Coconut and the Vodka. Yes, me too. What about Vinit / Surabhi's pictures? Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
If we can shift the date to the 15th, it could be at my house. Penance for having sent the first message! Most likely won't be in town between the 17th and 24th. Bharath ps : Shiv, as I remember, is the reason the 1st message got numbered as the 3rd message. His computer clock was off. Udhay Shankar N wrote: shiv sastry wrote: [ on 06:59 PM 12/10/2007 ] Wednesday is a bad day. Therefore it may be a good day to meet. I don't like beer but it will do if the place does not have conversation-killingly loud music. How about your house? :-) Udhay
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
Bharath Chari wrote: [ on 07:32 PM 12/10/2007 ] If we can shift the date to the 15th, it could be at my house. Penance for having sent the first message! Most likely won't be in town between the 17th and 24th. I am not in town this weekend. So 15th is out for me. Can we have it on some other day? Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
I think I can manage to be in town on the 17th. That's Monday. Does it work for everyone? Bharath Udhay Shankar N wrote: Bharath Chari wrote: [ on 07:32 PM 12/10/2007 ] If we can shift the date to the 15th, it could be at my house. Penance for having sent the first message! Most likely won't be in town between the 17th and 24th. I am not in town this weekend. So 15th is out for me. Can we have it on some other day? Udhay
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On 10-Dec-07, at 7:22 PM, ashok _ wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 4:21 PM, shiv sastry wrote: er yes shiv maybe you counted the same women twice or thrice over... since its hard to differentiate at a glance between two women wearing a hijab :) Or counted Indian Christian women as Hindus without bindis... since it's hard to tell them apart by face alone. :)
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:20 pm, Venky TV wrote: I *have* encountered the phrase terrorists have no religion but definitely not as often as the term Islamic fundamentalists or Muslim extremists. Most bomb blast reports in India routinely blame Muslim militants anyway[1][2]. Venky. [1] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Serial_blasts_claim_12_lives_in_Uttar_P radesh/articleshow/2564801.cms [2] http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=12840 Hehehe - I have a readymade (Here's one that I put in the oven earlier) answer for that one. (You would have heard that one too). But I think I'll stop. Thanks for the points made. i don't want to push the envelope any further. shiv
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:18 pm, Udhay Shankar N wrote: how about your house? :-):-) My place is fine - but Thu being a working day for everyone at home we'll have to close up shop by 10-30 PM at the latest. Some beer will be needed, and no dinner is planned :) Will get chips and stuff. shiv
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:43 pm, Bharath Chari wrote: I think I can manage to be in town on the 17th. That's Monday. Does it work for everyone? Whoops - just saw this. 17th is no good because Shashi is planning something on 18th morning and I can't mess up her plans for the 18th Let's look at other dates. shiv
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 08:26 PM 12/10/2007 ] My place is fine - but Thu being a working day for everyone at home we'll have to close up shop by 10-30 PM at the latest. Some beer will be needed, and no dinner is planned :) Will get chips and stuff. Let's just do it on a weekend. 21st or 22nd? Bharath? Will you be around? Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
Shiv, Come on - I am sure we will let you go back home before the 18th or thereabouts. This was planned at my place on the 17th :-) Bharath shiv sastry wrote: On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:43 pm, Bharath Chari wrote: I think I can manage to be in town on the 17th. That's Monday. Does it work for everyone? Whoops - just saw this. 17th is no good because Shashi is planning something on 18th morning and I can't mess up her plans for the 18th Let's look at other dates. shiv
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
Nope. Definitely not in town on 21st and 22nd. Bharath Udhay Shankar N wrote: shiv sastry wrote: [ on 08:26 PM 12/10/2007 ] My place is fine - but Thu being a working day for everyone at home we'll have to close up shop by 10-30 PM at the latest. Some beer will be needed, and no dinner is planned :) Will get chips and stuff. Let's just do it on a weekend. 21st or 22nd? Bharath? Will you be around? Udhay
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
Hey: I'm one of the editors with Mint, a financial newspaper of the Hindustan Times group. I'd like to come for this sit-down if not to talk to all of you for a potential column or story, for the beer. :) Am likely in Bangalore 17-19 (Mon-Wed) Dec. Let me know if it happens. Thanks, JoseyJosey Puliyenthuruthel JOHN Mobile: +91 98185 82855 Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:34:43 +0530 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet The first message on Silklist [1] was sent on 19 December 1997. Next Wednesday, it'll be 10 years since that happened. Many generations in internet time, or even in dog years. Anybody wants to do a meetup where lots of beer is comsumed, and stories are traded? Discuss. Udhay [1] http://www.netropolis.org/silklist/msg3.html -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com)) _ Post free property ads on Yello Classifieds now! www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=221
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
Bharath Chari wrote: Shiv, Come on - I am sure we will let you go back home before the 18th or thereabouts. This was planned at my place on the 17th :-) OK, I give. Let's do it on the 17th at your place. Who else is in? Udhay
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
If no one else is game, then we will have 2/3rd of the (statistically invalid) original eyeballs. On par for an Internet business, what say? Bharath Udhay Shankar N wrote: Bharath Chari wrote: Shiv, Come on - I am sure we will let you go back home before the 18th or thereabouts. This was planned at my place on the 17th :-) OK, I give. Let's do it on the 17th at your place. Who else is in? Udhay
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 9:12 pm, Udhay Shankar N wrote: OK, I give. Let's do it on the 17th at your place. Who else is in? Udhay You'll have to show me Bharath's place shiv
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
Udhay Shankar N wrote: OK, I give. Let's do it on the 17th at your place. Who else is in? I'm in for the 17th. Where is Bharath's place?
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
I'm in as well for the 17th.
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
http://chari.arachnis.com. Click on Location. Bharath Gautam John wrote: I'm in as well for the 17th.
Re: [silk] Dec 12, 13, 14: Technology, Governance, Citizenship meet, Bangalore
Dinesh, Thanks for letting us know. I will probably attend on the 14th. I assume quite a bit of Open Source is being used and will be used going forward in governance. Venkat Dinesh, Servelots wrote: Technology, Governance and Citizenship 12th, 13th and 14th December, 2007 Indian Institute of Management, Bangalore Technology is central to new modes of governance, and to emerging definitions of citizenship, participation, and progress. As state functions get automated through e-governance, experiences get codified, and paradigms of knowledge production come under the digital eye, the notions of governance and citizenship are changing. This conference explores questions at the intersection of technology and society in contemporary India, bringing together researchers and practitioners from a wide range of technical and social scientific backgrounds. Its aim is not so much to reiterate the conventional definitions of development, technology, transparency, and governance, but to unpack the construction of these terms in a way that allows us to make sense of the new practices of governance, and of contemporary politics, law and citizenship. See the 3 day program and key participants of the workshop. http://janasu.org/tgc Dec 12th, 2007 The first day of the workshop will introduce case studies of projects in India that highlight the technical aspects of e-governance, providing a concrete basis for discussions. Dec 13th, 2007 The second day's presentations will explore the social and epistemological questions emerging out of e-governance architectures and their implementation. Dec 14th, 2007 On the final day of the workshop, speakers will attempt to articulate a broader platform of research into questions about the intersection of technology and society. Registration is now open. Again check out the link: http://janastu.org/tgc
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:52 pm, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: Or counted Indian Christian women as Hindus without bindis... since it's hard to tell them apart by face alone. Indian Christians are few and far between but but wearing a bindi is not a problem for Indian Christian women. In fact Indian Muslim girls wear bindis too on occasion. But whether they are Hindu, Christian or Muslim, the degree of choice and freedom available to wear something or the other is variable. A survey of that variability would probably throw up some interesting results. but hey it doesn't pay to be a sociologist in India. Either you're a doctor. Or you're an Engineer. Nothing else exists and a Freudian indicator of how Indians see occupation and status was seen once again with Medical students holding brooms in protest. That was presumably meant to show how high up they are in the Indian pecking order and how low down a mere broom wielder is. Caste doesn't leave us that easily, though we like to imagine that it does. shiv
Re: [silk] Wikipedia
On 11-Dec-07, at 9:49 AM, shiv sastry wrote: A survey of that variability would probably throw up some interesting results. but hey it doesn't pay to be a sociologist in India. So you're saying that you're too cheap to get a real survey done, but expect to be taken seriously on facts you admit to making up yourself. FWIW, there are sociologists in India. Some are on this list.
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
On Dec 10, 2007 9:12 PM, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bharath Chari wrote: Shiv, Come on - I am sure we will let you go back home before the 18th or thereabouts. This was planned at my place on the 17th :-) OK, I give. Let's do it on the 17th at your place. Who else is in? I'm In, if its on the 17th, I'll be leaving to Pune on the 18th morning. So 17th is confirmed right ? -- Ramakrishna Reddy GPG Key ID:31FF0090 Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet
On Dec 11, 2007 1:08 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm In, if its on the 17th, I'll be leaving to Pune on the 18th morning. So 17th is confirmed right ? Looks like it - I spoke to Bharath, our host, and he seems to be on. :) Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
