Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
I would like to try and make it, missing too many silkmeets...and going to be away for a longish stretch...has the venue been finalized? I use public transport so need to budget time to get back home. I can come anywhere since Friday is a holiday. Am looking to others to finalize. We can even do lunch on Friday. Kiran
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote: Lunch on Friday will suit ME fine, but I suspect that a lot of people on the prospective meeting list are working that day. Lunch works for me too. Show of hands? Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.netwrote: This is Krish Ashok blog material and I hope he will write about it and I can have a wonderful time reading it! :) Deepa.
Re: [silk] modem phones
BSNL has started offering USB EVDO cards in bangalore. Rs 750 pm/2Mbps/Uncapped -- seems like a good deal. -- b On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Abhijit Menon-Sen a...@toroid.org wrote: At 2009-04-04 17:47:43 -0700, sur...@hserus.net wrote: In such a case you're better off with a pcmcia or usb data card. A USB data card sounds good. I should have known that such things must exist. I knew about PCMCIA ones, but I don't have a PCMCIA slot. Do you have any recommendations? Or should I just get whatever $noname card I can find in Nehru Place? (Do you put your SIM card inside the USB thingy, or what?) Thanks. -- ams
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
Thanks! I'm planning to improve my skills and to that end, I am pitching the idea of taking photography classes to Gireesh GV who is actually coming to do a photoshoot of me for an article for Forbes India. If there are photography enthusiasts, they are welcome to come to my place (mail me offlist for address) coming weekend to interact with him so he gets an idea about what somebody would expect from such classes. Note that this is going to be for people who have just begun fiddling with their SLRs for a year or two. If anybody is interested, let me know. Meant to post these links earlier. His flickr account is http://www.flickr.com/photos/gireeshgv/ And there is more work at gireeshgv.com. Kiran
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Divya Manian divya.man...@gmail.com wrote: Came across this, and found it too funny! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123896998996190775.html [...] I suspect this is satire, even the names of the marriage bureaus seem too fantastic! Really? In my observation this sort of thing is pretty common. If you find this unbelievable check out how the Chinese get married. With a male:female ratio that's even more skewed than in India, and with no social stigma against marrying non-Chinese, the Chinese men have it much tougher. Cheeni
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123896998996190775.html For instance, he says some overseas Indians want a bride who is smart, fluent in English, and simultaneously, docile in the house. He says such women are now harder to find, so he bumps up his fees for some searches. To be fair, there are some red-blooded, white-breaded American males looking for such demure companions as well. Unsurprisingly, usually these guys are conservative, christian, and Republican. The cartoon Morel Orel on Adult Swim does a good job of satiring, in general, that group. But I do agree (in my case happily) that they are a vanishing breed in the US. Unless they want to be that way of their own free will and choice, understanding they have options, in which case, by all means. It's the forcing part that rubs my Free-Society fur the wrong way.
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 17:38, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: If you find this unbelievable check out how the Chinese get married. With a male:female ratio that's even more skewed than in India, and with no social stigma against marrying non-Chinese, the Chinese men have it much tougher. On the other side side of the Himalayas: Matrimonials – Chinese style by Pallavi Aiyar Held every Sunday afternoon, the market is a forum for parents who have come to despair of their educated, career-driven offsprings ever finding appropriate life-partners on their own and have thus decided to take matters into their own hands. “Boy, 28 yrs, has own apartment in Fuxing district, no mortgage, Communist Party member,” advertises the piece of paper offered up by one bespectacled father. And the non-stigma about marrying non-Chinese: I (Pallavi) am quickly approached by several people anxiously asking if I am “available”. When I shake my head in regret they quickly change tack and inquire about prospective single friends I might have. ~ash
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 18:11, Ashwin Nanjappa ashwi...@gmail.com wrote: Matrimonials – Chinese style by Pallavi Aiyar Sorry, forgot the link: http://www.hindu.com/mag/2008/05/18/stories/2008051850020200.htm ~ash
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
re: Lunch Ignorant of proximity issues, may I innocently recommend F B off of St. Marks? I went there this past weekend with Udhay and it rocked!!
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
I second FB, might not make it though. Can arrange for a discount if there are more than 6 ppl. On 4/6/09, Ravi Bellur rav...@gmail.com wrote: re: Lunch Ignorant of proximity issues, may I innocently recommend F B off of St. Marks? I went there this past weekend with Udhay and it rocked!! -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
Venkat Mangudi's Silk Account wrote, [on 4/6/2009 6:02 PM]: I second FB, might not make it though. Can arrange for a discount if there are more than 6 ppl. Friday lunch then? Who do we have? Speak up! Udhay Deepa Ravi Bellur Dave Kumar (?) Venkat Mangudi (?) -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
The list so far... Udhay Deepa Ravi Bellur Dave Kumar (?) Venkat Mangudi (?) Kiran Karthikeyan And I'm guessing its unanimous for FB? Kiran
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Friday lunch then? Who do we have? Speak up! Udhay Deepa Ravi Bellur Dave Kumar (?) Venkat Mangudi (?) I'm not yet sure about Friday lunch, unfortunately. Relatives are coming to town on Thursday and I may not be able to get away ... I'll see what I can do.
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
Its what feminists sarcastically call most men's perception of an 'ideal wife' - an angel all day long but suddenly turns into a pornstar in the bedroom. On Mon, April 6, 2009 4:46 pm, Ravi Bellur wrote: To be fair, there are some red-blooded, white-breaded American males looking for such demure companions as well. Unsurprisingly, usually these guys are conservative, christian, and Republican. The cartoon Morel Orel on Adult Swim does a good job of satiring, in general, that group. But I do agree (in my case happily) that they are a vanishing breed in the US. Unless they want to be that way of their own free will and choice, understanding they have options, in which case, by all means. It's the forcing part that rubs my Free-Society fur the wrong way.
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
Its what feminists sarcastically call most men's perception of an 'ideal wife' - an angel all day long but suddenly turns into a pornstar in the bedroom. I thought feminists were those who believed that's what most men want, devoid of any sarcasm :) Kiran
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Dave Kumar dave.ku...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Friday lunch then? Who do we have? Speak up! Udhay Deepa Ravi Bellur Dave Kumar (?) Venkat Mangudi (?) I'm not yet sure about Friday lunch, unfortunately. Relatives are coming to town on Thursday and I may not be able to get away ... I'll see what I can do. If it's such a small gathering and Friday is tough for one of us, we should do Saturdaythe idea is to have more people meeting, surely! Deepa.
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
I didn't realize a flat screen TV could be a determining factor in marrying someone-guess i would never have made it to any matrimonial list in any case especially since i clean my own bathroom! my husband had only an air-mattress in his name thanks to his free wheeling, globetrotting lifestyle prior to our marriage. the only concession he made to lifestyle were his golfclubs and icehockey equipment. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan kiran.karthike...@gmail.com wrote: Its what feminists sarcastically call most men's perception of an 'ideal wife' - an angel all day long but suddenly turns into a pornstar in the bedroom. I thought feminists were those who believed that's what most men want, devoid of any sarcasm :) Kiran
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
On Monday 06 Apr 2009 7:48:26 pm Radhika, Y. wrote: his golfclubs Aha! This man knows life. shiv
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't realize a flat screen TV could be a determining factor in marrying someone-guess i would never have made it to any matrimonial list in any case especially since i clean my own bathroom! my husband had only an air-mattress in his name thanks to his free wheeling, globetrotting lifestyle prior to our marriage. the only concession he made to lifestyle were his golfclubs and icehockey equipment. Marriage has historically been an economic arrangement first and foremost, a partnership to weather the rough waters of life. Ancient Rome at the peak of its affluence saw a decline in marriages because people saw no reason to marry. This led to the introduction of the tax sop for married couples that most modern states continue to this day. It is no surprise then that arranged marriages even today resemble the harsh haggling and negotiation of a bazaar. Ancient love stories notwithstanding, marrying for love is a relatively recent phenomenon worldwide, less than 100 years old. It remains to be seen if marrying for love is a sustainable idea, afaik there is very little evidence either way at the moment. On a related note, the human gene is inherently polygamous - obviously therefore modern social conditioning of monogamy runs contrary to genetic traits, and is in a somewhat risk prone position. Marriages in ancient Rome or India carried no such rider of monogamy for example. OTOH, modern society seems to have aids to counter the genetic urges, such as pornography. Porn is a socially acceptable (in most cultures) outlet for genetic urges. Ironically therefore pornography saves marriages more often than not! Some reading: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7982132.stm http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_20020321.shtml Cheeni P.S. Couldn't resist stirring the pot a bit, the thread was getting boring :-)
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
Udhay Shankar N wrote: Venkat Mangudi's Silk Account wrote, [on 4/6/2009 6:02 PM]: I second FB, might not make it though. Can arrange for a discount if there are more than 6 ppl. Friday lunch then? Who do we have? Speak up! Working, so can't make it. You guys have fun. -- * Madhu Menon Shiok Far-eastern Cuisine | Moss Cocktail Lounge 96, Amar Jyoti Layout, Inner Ring Road, Bangalore @ http://shiokfood.comhttp://mosslounge.com Join the Moss group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=39295417270
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: Ancient Rome at the peak of its affluence saw a decline in marriages because people saw no reason to marry. This led to the introduction of the tax sop for married couples that most modern states continue to this day. Someone should tell the USian government: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_penalty Ancient love stories notwithstanding, marrying for love is a relatively recent phenomenon worldwide, less than 100 years old. It remains to be seen if marrying for love is a sustainable idea, afaik there is very little evidence either way at the moment. I find the entire social construct of marriage (arranged or find your own) quaint. Of course, there are important financial implications (inheritance, benefits, taxation, etc.) of formalized cohabitation. On a related note, the human gene is inherently polygamous - obviously therefore modern social conditioning of monogamy runs contrary to genetic traits, and is in a somewhat risk prone position. Are these traits *in homo sapiens* uniformly distributed between the males and the females of the species? Marriages in ancient Rome or India carried no such rider of monogamy for example. But didn't the riders apply to the female population (rare instances like Draupati notwithstanding)? Thaths -- You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel. -- Homer J. Simpson
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
ah. an excuse for when the wife catches you with a copy of playboy .. Srini RamaKrishnan [06/04/09 17:43 +0200]: OTOH, modern society seems to have aids to counter the genetic urges, such as pornography. Porn is a socially acceptable (in most cultures) outlet for genetic urges. Ironically therefore pornography saves marriages more often than not!
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: snipped I find the entire social construct of marriage (arranged or find your own) quaint. Of course, there are important financial implications (inheritance, benefits, taxation, etc.) of formalized cohabitation. or implications based on nationality and citizenship in case one of the partners happens to be a foreign national -someone-trying-to-foresee-hassles-around-procurement-of-an-x-visa (aka indra) Thaths
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
Cheeni, please do stir up the pot! going by the logic of your argument though since the lady Anisha _ quoted in the article doesn't need a man's money as she is quite well off and therefore doesn't need to marry, why does she still care if the man makes more money or less? something inconsistent... On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't realize a flat screen TV could be a determining factor in marrying someone-guess i would never have made it to any matrimonial list in any case especially since i clean my own bathroom! my husband had only an air-mattress in his name thanks to his free wheeling, globetrotting lifestyle prior to our marriage. the only concession he made to lifestyle were his golfclubs and icehockey equipment. Marriage has historically been an economic arrangement first and foremost, a partnership to weather the rough waters of life. Ancient Rome at the peak of its affluence saw a decline in marriages because people saw no reason to marry. This led to the introduction of the tax sop for married couples that most modern states continue to this day. It is no surprise then that arranged marriages even today resemble the harsh haggling and negotiation of a bazaar. Ancient love stories notwithstanding, marrying for love is a relatively recent phenomenon worldwide, less than 100 years old. It remains to be seen if marrying for love is a sustainable idea, afaik there is very little evidence either way at the moment. On a related note, the human gene is inherently polygamous - obviously therefore modern social conditioning of monogamy runs contrary to genetic traits, and is in a somewhat risk prone position. Marriages in ancient Rome or India carried no such rider of monogamy for example. OTOH, modern society seems to have aids to counter the genetic urges, such as pornography. Porn is a socially acceptable (in most cultures) outlet for genetic urges. Ironically therefore pornography saves marriages more often than not! Some reading: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7982132.stm http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_20020321.shtml Cheeni P.S. Couldn't resist stirring the pot a bit, the thread was getting boring :-)
Re: [silk] modem phones
2009/4/6 Venkat Mangudi's Silk Account s...@venkatmangudi.com: Really uncapped, or do they have a FU policy like the others? Yes they do. However, I checked out the rules for Airtel and it seems they reduce your speed by half if you exceed 100 GB. I've been waiting to figure out where all this will go before taking a new connection in Bangalore. Kiran
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't realize a flat screen TV could be a determining factor in marrying someone-guess i would never have made it to any matrimonial list in any case especially since i clean my own bathroom! my husband had only an air-mattress in his name thanks to his free wheeling, globetrotting lifestyle prior to our marriage. the only concession he made to lifestyle were his golfclubs and icehockey equipment. Marriage has historically been an economic arrangement first and foremost, a partnership to weather the rough waters of life. Ancient Rome at the peak of its affluence saw a decline in marriages because people saw no reason to marry. This led to the introduction of the tax sop for married couples that most modern states continue to this day. Shot in the dark - skewed sex ratio apart, what about female life expectancy, infant mortality rates? If females had lower life expectancy and infant mortality was high, society as such would move to polygamy. Once female and male life expectancy got closer, and infant mortality rate was lower, given the need for a proper home for the child, society as a whole would have encouraged monogamy. And when life expectancy and quality of life reach their peak, and there are no perceived threats, society as such loses the will to reproduce Simplistic perhaps, but somehow I feel there is more to all this than just economics. I tried to find some study which captured life expectancy trends for males and females. Kiran
Re: [silk] Indian Men Living in U.S. Strike Out
On Tuesday 07 Apr 2009 12:17:36 am Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: If females had lower life expectancy and infant mortality was high, society as such would move to polygamy. Once female and male life expectancy got closer, and infant mortality rate was lower, given the need for a proper home for the child, society as a whole would have encouraged monogamy. I am guessing that it is exactly the opposite. Societies with high maternal and infant mortalities would be normal human societies until about 100 years ago, and about 50% of the human population today. Apart from disease, which affected every segment of society, malnutrition as a cause of maternal and infant mortality affected the poor more than the wealthy, and obviously women far more than men. In a Dawkinsian sense the highest payoff for a human female in such a society would come from a faithful partner who would support her in times of vulnerability, while simultaneously supporting older but vulnerable children that she has. I suspect this has skewed things towards monogamy. Marriage is a human social construct in which monogamy is forced. As I have stated earlier I believe it has social benefits that are unrecognised by randy men and women who have access to birth control. In the absence of birth control, the human female gets to pay a higher price for polygamy than the male. shiv
[silk] Writ of law re-established in Pakistan
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=21357 Swat girl denies flogging by Taliban Monday, April 06, 2009 By Rahimullah Yusufzai PESHAWAR: Chand Bibi, the young girl who was shown being flogged by the Swat Taliban in a videotape aired on television channels, gave a statement to a Qazi, or judge, on Sunday, denying the incident. snip Mian Iftikhar disclosed that Chand Bibi had expressed her inability to appear before the Supreme Court as she and her family felt it wasn’t appropriate for a purdah-observing Pakhtun girl to do so in the presence of TV cameras and onlookers. “She requested the judge and the commissioner to spare her from appearing in the court in Islamabad,” he said. snip Iftikhar lamented that a fake video had been used to tarnish the reputation of the people of Swat and disrupt the peace process in the district. “We condemn the acts of repression against women. We too are outraged when extremist elements commit atrocities against women and also men. But the incident depicted in the videotape never took place in Swat,” he argued. He felt the timing of the release of the videotape was intriguing. “It appears to be part of a conspiracy to foil the peace agreement in Swat and put pressure on President Zardari not to sign the Nizam-i-Adl Regulation for Malakand division,” he said. shiv
Re: [silk] modem phones
No clue -- I have all this on hearsay. -- b On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Venkat Mangudi's Silk Account s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: Really uncapped, or do they have a FU policy like the others? On 4/6/09, Biju Chacko biju.cha...@gmail.com wrote: BSNL has started offering USB EVDO cards in bangalore. Rs 750 pm/2Mbps/Uncapped -- seems like a good deal. -- b On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Abhijit Menon-Sen a...@toroid.org wrote: At 2009-04-04 17:47:43 -0700, sur...@hserus.net wrote: In such a case you're better off with a pcmcia or usb data card. A USB data card sounds good. I should have known that such things must exist. I knew about PCMCIA ones, but I don't have a PCMCIA slot. Do you have any recommendations? Or should I just get whatever $noname card I can find in Nehru Place? (Do you put your SIM card inside the USB thingy, or what?) Thanks. -- ams -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: The list so far... Udhay Deepa Ravi Bellur Dave Kumar (?) Venkat Mangudi (?) Kiran Karthikeyan And I'm guessing its unanimous for FB? Kiran Usha and I will be joining if it is on Friday and in FB :-) If we have a headcount, I can try to arrange a small discount... Venkat
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Venkat Mangudi s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: The list so far... Udhay Deepa Ravi Bellur Dave Kumar (?) Venkat Mangudi (?) Kiran Karthikeyan And I'm guessing its unanimous for FB? Kiran Usha and I will be joining if it is on Friday and in FB :-) If we have a headcount, I can try to arrange a small discount... Venkat WHOOOPS. I have a birding trip on Friday to Nandi Hills that I completely forgot about..so Friday is out as far as I am concerned, but if you all find it convenient, do go ahead .If it's Saturday, and Venkat and Usha are going to be there...perhaps I could persuade Mohan also to come Sorry, this had completely slipped what passes for my mindactually, when the birding trip was pushed forward (I refuse to say 'preponed') from Saturday to the previous day, I had agreed, not realizing that it was the same Friday of the silk meet! Venkat, I can understand counting the heads, but how do you count the dis? Deepa.
Re: [silk] Bangalore silk meet up
Deepa Mohan wrote: Venkat, I can understand counting the heads, but how do you count the dis? You have to dis enough people to know how to do that. Fortunately, as a consultant, I do it quite often. Some of them are inadvertent. :-)
