Re: [silk] When to quit

2017-07-26 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
On Thu 27 Jul, 2017 9:35 am Deepa Mohan,  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
>
> > I occasionally listen to the Tim Ferris podcast, and I found last week's
> > episode [1] particularly fascinating. It's a panel of people giving their
> > take on the question "how does one decide when to quit and when to
> > persist". I recommend listening to the episode, but my intention in
> posting
> > here is to ask the community the same thing.
> >
> > How do *you* decide when to quit and when to persist?
> >
> > Udhay
> >
> > [1] https://tim.blog/2017/07/23/when-to-quit/
>
>
>
> To float the thread out a bit, this has been on my mind lately in the
> context of treating major illness. When does someone (or that someone's
> caregiver) decide to quit the treatment? Is medical treatment of an illness
> a process that must be done to the point where the ill person is suffering
> terribly?
>
> The question is further complicated by human equations and judgements. It's
> all right if I myself make the decision to quit going to the doctors and
> hospitals; but what if it's my family member who has to make the call, and
> is considered to be cruel or uncaring in doing so?
>
> I have a friend whose mother has refused  further treatment,but is
> suffering immense pain. My friend and her family members are facing a lot
> of criticism for "allowing" this...even when it's clear that it was the
> mother who made the decisionand they are unable to be clear about
> whether they are right in supporting the lady, or not. It's leading to
> intense friction and trauma in the family relationships.
>
> Deepa.
>
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > ((Udhay Shankar N))  ((via phone))
> >
>

Reminds me of Tamil saying: "Tie hair to mountain and pull hard. If it
moves, congratulation, you now have a mountain. If it doesn't, you just
lost your hair"

As long as hair and mountains are there, why not keep trying?

>


Re: [silk] To retire or not - that is the Q.

2014-09-25 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
What a great thread. I pretty much agree with Udhay's definition of
retirement, as primarily freedom to do what you want, without intolerable
financial consequences. Some thoughts:

*Freedom vs Spontaneity*: Since my teens, I've done whatever I felt like
doing (and been lucky enough to make a living from it). That's led me on a
fun ride through fashion, sociology, online & social media marketing, game
design and now cupcake retail. But the granularity of freedom determines
how spontaneous you can be. Building a company or a consulting practice may
be exactly what you want to do, but that basically kills your day-to-day
spontaneity. Want to go skydiving tomorrow? Tough luck, you have a client
and a deadline. I think it's important to acknowledge that the granularity
of your freedom affects the capacity for spontaneity. If you choose
spontaneity, you have to deal with the fact you may not be able to truly
build anything of value, lasting or otherwise (unless you're Banksy, I
guess).

It's pretty important to decide if you want freedom or
spontaneity/serendipity. It seems to me that spontaneity is more expensive
than freedom, so you'd have to be pretty sure you want that.


*Boredom & Flow*: I've post-hoc realised that almost all the things I've
chosen to do are capable of producing flow states (Flow, by Mihaly
Csikszentmihalyi, good read). Essentially, it should be something that
needs escalating levels of skills matched to escalating levels of
challenge. Activities that are conducive to flow states also tend to be
things that require a time commitment (since increasing skill levels are
important), which again impacts spontaneity. I've seen many people choose
something they think they're passionate about, and either get very bored of
it, or turn it into a job that is all about the money. I believe that this
happens because, for a beginning writer or a photographer, there isn't a
clear way of telling if you're really getting better at something or not.
One of the reasons I like business, which I treat as a creative endeavour,
is that you know how you're doing very quickly.


*Financials*:My theory is that *rent* is a very good cost-of-living &
inflation-adjusted source of cashflow, especially if it comes from the kind
of apt/home you want to live in. We've managed to work & invest ourselves
into a position where we own 2 small apartments. Living in one and renting
the other out gives us an adequate base level of freedom. A combination of
downsizing lifestyle, healthy retirement savings that we can't touch till
we're 60 (401k), insurance and some liquid cash provide for the future and
some emergency buffer. Not enough to travel much yet, but we're working on
it :)


PS Re Silk Smitha: When my wife, Divya, met Udhay Shankar for the first
time, her first question was "I've been waiting to ask you this, but is
there a Smita on Silklist?" and it flew right over him. Tch tch.

Kingsley Joseph


Re: [silk] USA West Coast restaurant recommendations

2014-09-25 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
Caveat: my info is 5 yrs out of date :)


> > Prefer Dosa on Fillmore at Post. Better cocktails. But why would you
> seek out Indian food in San Francisco?


As an Indian, Dosa's dining experience was a revelation to me. It showed me
what you can do with Indian cuisine if you take it out of the buffet line,
treat it seriously as a cuisine and build a solid dining experience around
it. Of course, this particular treatment is quite californian, but not in a
disrespectful way.


> Best burritos in town at La Cancun on Mission at 30th, by general
> agreement and many awards, but it's easy to beat PanchoVilla by just
> walking a block South on Valencia to El Toro at 17th and Valencia.


La Cancun is excellent, but El Toro is hit-or-miss (used to live on 16th &
Dolores, so regular at both). Knowing Madhu, I think he'll like PanchoVilla.

Delfina Pizzeria on 18th and Guerrero, Gialina on Diamond in Glen Park
> (near a BART station), Tony's in North Beach.
>

I quite liked the deep-dish cornmeal crusts at Little Star in the mission.
Fun if you're into more experimental pizzas.


> Patisserie? Tartine (next door to Pizzeria Delfina).

YES!

Coffee? Blue Bottle (there are several), SightGlass (on 7th & Folsom),
> FourBarrel on Valencia
>
Yes, and add Ritual Coffee Roasters


> For brunch Saturday and Sunday? Foreign Cinema in the Mission, Seperntine
> or Piccino in DogPatch, Absinthe at Hayes and Gough (my favorite).

Love Absinthe late nights too, Actually, I've only ever remembered it as a
blur, but such a good blur. Foreign Cinema is too much of a date place,
imho, with prices to match. Still, a good place to blow $100 to wine and
dine the right person.


Re: [silk] USA West Coast restaurant recommendations

2014-09-24 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
Steak, I meant steak. Dangit.


Re: [silk] USA West Coast restaurant recommendations

2014-09-24 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
>
> I would love your recommendations for food and drink adventures in
> these cities. I have no dietary restrictions. :)
>

San  Francisco:
Range for stake, Burma Superstar for Asian, Dosa on Valencia (say Hi to
Anjan if you see him) for dosas paired with wine in a great ambience, 2
large dimsum cart places on Broadway in chinatown, Poncho Villa for mission
burritos, birite creamery for ice cream, warakubune in the mission for a
tacky but tasty boat sushi experience. I'll send more if there's anything
specific you want to try. Just don't go anywhere near fisherman's warf for
food, unless you like your seafood smothered in extraordinary amounts of
butter and cheese.

San Jose:
There are a few good restaurants in Santana Row (but the crowd is slightly
douchey) - Citrus, Rosie McCanns serves Guinness and Honeydew on tap,
Wahoo's was my favourite "fast food" - hawaiian fish tacos, El Jardin is
great for al fresco Sunday brunch.
Nearby is Falafel's drive in, with freshly fried falafels and banana
shakes, a favourite with the stoners of south bay. Gordon biersch has some
decent brews and food downtown. Los cubanos is also downtown, makes great
cubano sandwiches, and also some home-style cuban food I haven't seen
anywhere else.
In Campbell, there is a tiny, hole-in-the-wall place called Tres Amigos,
where I've had the most amazing mexican food. Its right next to a budget
sushi place called TGI sushi (yes really).


Re: [silk] Written vs. spoken version

2014-08-22 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
Meta-observation: For a bunch of English speakers (or maybe *because*
we're a bunch of English speakers), I find many educated Indians'
interest in phonetic literalness and comprehensiveness amusing.

> Of all the Indian language scripts that I have come across (admittedly not
> many) the Kannada script seems the least ambiguous and the most phonetic.

"Just because you're hung like a moose, doesn't mean you have to do
porn!" - Harold and Kumar go to Whitecastle.

Having the symbols doesn't necessarily mean they are actually used in
practice. One example is how the generic nasalization consonant
anusvara (ಅಂ) is used even when specific nasalizations like ಙ, ಞ etc
are available. The anusvara is also used for both - soft nasalization
sound (eg ಗಂಜಿ), and also as a hard-m sound as in ತಂಬಾಕು.

> Uday...it's getting more and more painful to go to the end of a thread on
> Gmail and tack on my additional comments. So...sorry...top-posting, even
> though I agree that one has to read from the bottom, upwards, to get the
> context of a thread!

Yeah, it's been a while since I was in a mailing list as well. I hope
I'm doing it right this time.



Re: [silk] Slacktivism

2014-08-21 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
Ice bucket "slacktivism" has been effective in making a huge difference in
donations to the ALS Association -

"The ALS Association has received $22.9 million in donations compared to
$1.9 million during the same time period last year (July 29 to August 19).
These donations have come from existing donors and 453,210 new donors to
The Association."

http://www.alsa.org/news/media/press-releases/ice-bucket-challenge-081914.html

Kingsley Joseph


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:

> I don't always agree with Seth Godin's pronouncements, but this one
> got me thinking  - both about 'slacktivism', my response to it, and
> the often facile denigration of this behaviour as being facile.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Udhay
>
> http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2014/08/slacktivism.html
>
> Slacktivism
>
> This is far from a new phenomenon. Hundreds of years ago there were
> holier-than-thou people standing in the village square, wringing their
> hands, ringing their bells and talking about how urgent a problem was.
> They did little more than wring their hands, even then.
>
> In our connected world, though, there are two sides to social media's
> power in spreading the word about a charitable cause.
>
> According to recent data about the ice bucket challenge making the
> rounds, more than 90% of the people mentioning it (posting themselves
> being doused or passing on the word) didn't make a donation to support
> actual research on an actual disease. Sounds sad, no?
>
> But I think these slacktivists have accomplished two important things
> at scale, things that slacktivists have worked to do through the ages:
>
> They've spread the word. The fact is that most charities have no
> chance at all to reach the typical citizen, and if their fundraising
> strategy is small donations from many people, this message barrier is
> a real issue. Peer-to-peer messaging, even if largely ego-driven, is
> far better than nothing. In a sideways media world, the only way to
> reach big numbers is for a large number of people to click a few
> times, probably in response to a request from a friend.
>
> Even more important, I think, is that they normalize charitable
> behavior. It's easy to find glowing stories and infinite media
> impressions about people who win sporting events, become famous or
> make a lot of money. The more often our peers talk about a different
> kind of heroism, one that's based on caring about people we don't
> know, the more likely we are to see this as the sort of thing that
> people like us do as a matter of course.
>
> Spreading the word and normalizing the behavior. Bravo.
>
> The paradox? As this media strategy becomes more effective and more
> common (as it becomes a strategy, not just something that occurs from
> the ground up as it did in this case), two things are likely to
> happen, both of which we need to guard against:
>
> Good causes in need of support are going to focus on adding the sizzle
> and ego and zing that gets an idea to spread, instead of focusing on
> the work. One thing we know about online virality is that what worked
> yesterday rarely works tomorrow. A new arms race begins, and in this
> case, it's not one that benefits many. We end up developing, "an
> unprecedented website with a video walkthrough and internationally
> recognized infographics..." (actual email pitch I got while writing
> this post).
> We might, instead of normalizing the actual effective giving of grants
> and donations, normalize slacktivism. It could easily turn out that we
> start to emotionally associate a click or a like or a mention as an
> actual form of causing change, not merely a way of amplifying a
> message that might lead to that action happening.
>
> The best model I've seen for a cause that's figured out how to walk
> this line between awareness and action is charity: water. My friend
> Bernadette and I are thrilled to be supporting their latestcampaign.
> It would be great if you'd contribute or even better, start a similar
> one.
>
> I think the goal needs to be that activism and action are not merely
> the right thing to do, but the expected, normal thing to do.
>
> Posted by Seth Godin on August 19, 2014
>
>
> --
> ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
>
>


Re: [silk] Written vs. spoken version

2014-08-21 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
Tamil, like French, relies on fairly strict contextual rules for when the
same symbol (example, க in Tamil, c in French or g in Italian) should be
pronounced as k or g. So, there may not be a one-to-one symbol to sound
mapping, but mapping within the prescribed context is always consistent.
For example, the க (k) that appears after the nasal ங (ng), will always be
pronounced as g.

Many languages also adapted, rather than developed their own scripts.
Brahmi, the precursor of almost all Indian scripts, was most likely adapted
from an aramaic-like script. If you've ever, like me, wondered why k kh g
gh/ c ch j jh are not similarish symbols, that's why.

Different languages also use symbols differently. For example, the
Malayalam script has a full repertoire of voiced, aspirate and unvoiced
variants found in the Sanskrit varnamala. However, written Malayalam still
tends to "prefer" Tamil-style contextual sound changes, especially for
Dravidian words. Example, Pongal is written as, പൊങ്കൽ (not പൊംഗൽ), which
strictly pronounced by symbol only, would be ponkal. Kannada also exhibits
this same tendency to a lesser extent - I've come across a few examples,
but nothing comes to mind immediately.

Kingsley Joseph


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Charles Haynes 
wrote:

> You're welcome - and to fix a bad sentence above "one of my favorite
> examples of why trying to represent Chinese phonetically is nearly
> impossible is the poem..."
>
> which means it's also a great example of the disconnect between written and
> spoken Chinese languages. Famously in the past sometimes Northern and
> Southern Chinese would have to write notes in order to communicate - their
> spoken dialects were not mutually intelligible, but the written language
> was.
>
> -- Charles
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Rajesh Mehar 
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the corrections Charles. Anybody knows enough about Arabic to
> > explain?
> >
> > And maybe Meera can clarify the meaning of her original question?
> >
>


Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-06 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:38 AM, SS  wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-09-06 at 10:43 -0700, Thaths wrote:
>> What is to explain? For populations to exist side by side exchanging
>> cuisines, culture, genes and words is self explanatory and not
>> profound.
>> One sees Tamil and Malayalam blending in Palghat. Telugu and Tamil
>> blending
>> in Tirupathi. There are many more such examples.
>>
> Tsk tsk Thaths. I believe you are on the right track here. Would you be
> able to hazard a guess (or state from any extensive reading you may have
> done) as to how long the populations have existed side by side and
> influenced each other?

Tamil & Telugu are epigraphically attested (in Asokan edicts)
neighbours since at least about 200BC, but likely at least 500 years
before that, so you're looking at a contnuum of about 2500 years.
Tamil and Malayalam were basically dialects of the same language till
about 1000 AD. But Palakad is a special case - apart from being a
fusion point, like Kanyakumari, the Palakad dialect was heavily
influenced by the migration of Brahmins from the Chola country between
the 14th & 18th centuries. It preserves some very interesting snippets
of the Vaisnava Paribhasha from that time that have been lost among
Tamil Brahmins.

>
>> That said, linguists use tools more powerful than anecdotal books
>> published
>> in 1910 to support their case.

> I think we could have an interesting discussion here. The subject is a
> minefield and worthy of some debate, if it opens more eyes about what
> linguists have actually been doing rather than the run of the mill
> indignant responses that appear with boring regularity. Linguistics is
> full of angry people ready to fight. I would be happy to tell you what I
> think about any powerful linguistic tools that you may care to list. If
> you consult Uncle Google for that, I would be equally happy to see if
> you can come up with references that I have not looked at yet and judge
> them for myself.
This page contains a good list of approaches linguists use to
understand words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_linguistics
. But if you really want to get deep into their application in
practice, read some of Michael Witzel's published work (mainly because
his work is on Sanskrit, which should be more accessible).



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-06 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
> An entire political class and "Dravidian" political parties have been
> built up on cooked up history. There is no such thing as Dravidian, any
> more than there is "Aryan", although the southern languages tend to be
> called "Dravidian" languages. There are links with these southern
> languages all along the coast up to Gujarat, Sindh and further North -
> and perhaps as far away as the homeland of the Finno-Ugric languages. So
> a connection with Sanskrit would not be surprising, given that retroflex
> phonemes are common to Dravidian and other Sanskrit derived Indian
> languages but are absent in all other Indo European languages outside
> India.

When the Piltdown man was shown to be a hoax, many evolution-deniers
used it as an excuse to say that evolution itself is a hoax.
Similarly, as we improve our understanding of what "race" means, some
people seem to want to throw out the fairly solid work done in
understanding our languages.

There are numerous linguistic features that are considered when
classifying languages. Prevalence of retroflex consonants in Dravidan
languages may often be cited as one, but that's hardly the only
reason. Words for primary objects (i, you, he them etc), word order,
cases & case markers, inclusive & exclusive "we"s, gendering, types of
agglutination, negation etc are different enough that they are
classified in a different family.

The origins of Dravidian politics have about as much to do with
linguistic theories as the origin of the "Bible belt" in the USA had
to do with the Bible. Whatever narrative of history is presented,
someone will twist it to suit their political needs. They are just
convenient origin myths used to teach simplistic views of history.

BTW, I just wrote an answer to similarities between Hindi & Tamil that
you may find interesting:
https://www.quora.com/Tamil-language/What-are-some-important-similarities-between-Tamil-and-Hindi



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-06 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan  wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Kingsley Jegan Joseph 
> wrote:
>
>> You know, sometimes I think that Mr. Mahadevan may be as
>> over-enthusiastic in finding dravidian connections for Indus script as
>> some of the right-leaners are about finding Sanskrit connections.
>>
>
> Oh say, did you know the Pallavas were the Pahlevis of Iran. ;-)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Parthian_Kingdom
> http://iranian.com/History/2003/May/Pallava/
> http://www.hindu.com/mp/2008/03/31/stories/2008033150300500.htm
>
> I think there's a line in the humanities (history, philosophy, the arts)
> that gets crossed often, even by the best minds. When the thinker gets
> carried away by the utter brilliance of the idea without pausing to
> consider if it can be substantiated in fact, or whether it has useful
> outcomes.

The Lambadis are from Lombard. (insert lungi-tearing joke here)



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-05 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:20 PM, SS  wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-09-04 at 12:23 +0530, Kingsley Jegan Joseph wrote:
>> where I grew up (Cuddalore)
>
> Interesting.
>
> I used to pass through Cuddalore (which I believe should be spelt
> Cuddle-oor, which is how it is pronounced :) )  with reasonable
> frequency. I studied in Pondicherry a long time ago and spent some of
> the best years of my life there in the 70s and early 80s.

I do have very fond memories of adolescence in a  small town, but I
think it's mostly nostalgia. If I recall correctly, I was both happy
and apprehensive to leave there for high school.

> Cuddalore had the slowest train to Bangalore in the world - it used to
> take something like 26 hours (or was it 30 hours?)  for 300 odd miles.
>
> The area is rich with some seriously ancient history. Cuddalore is one
> site where ancient Roman coins have been found indicative of sea trade
> with Rome a couple of thousand years ago. Even more spectacular is the
> finding of Indus valley like script on pottery in Nagapattinam south of
> Cuddalore.

You know, sometimes I think that Mr. Mahadevan may be as
over-enthusiastic in finding dravidian connections for Indus script as
some of the right-leaners are about finding Sanskrit connections.

>
> But nothing can beat Tiruvakkarai - a place with 30 million year old
> fossilized trees which I vandalized a few decades ago. I still have the
> stuff I filched. (Well actually I picked up loose bits and pieces lying
> around and left the tree trunks alone. I felt that it would be
> bothersome to carry a 1000 kg tree trunk on my bike)

Oh yes, the petrified forest. Those trees were probably going to go
study in the US and then heard about the exchange rate.



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-05 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Shoba Narayan  wrote:
>
>
> From: Kingsley Jegan Joseph 
>
> I have degrees in fashion design, sociology and information systems. I
> dabble in history, language (speak/read ?, ??, ?,   ??
> ?, picola di Italiano & muy pocito Espa?ol, read Brahmi and some Tamil
> inscriptions), culture. I try to practice mindfullness, humility/kindness
> and progressive thinking.
>
>
> Hi Kingsley: we met at the last Silk Meet.  Have you been to Molkalmuru near 
> Bellary? My brother in law is crazy about Brahmi and dragged me on a trip 
> there.  Very old inscriptions, although I can't recall if they were Brahmi.  
> Must have been, right?

Hi Shobha,
Good to reconnect. I haven't visited places north of Bangalore in
Karnataka, but Chitradurga seems to have a lot historic sites. I'd
guess Kadamba inscriptions would be in halegannada script, but not
sure.

> Do you know Iravatham? Not Indra's elephant, but the professor who is an 
> authority on this sort of thing.  Chennai based.

Not personally, but I'm familiar with a lot of Iravatham Mahadevan's
work on Tamil Brahmi and theories on Indus script.

> Great to have you on Silk.  Welcome.  I am a mindfulness wannabe but for now, 
> I play n back 2 games on my iPhone.

BTW, didn't realise you were friends with Ranvir Shah. I worked for
him right after fashion school, and I'm sure he still remembers me.
I'd appreciate a reconnect with him.



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-04 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Madhu Menon  wrote:
> We might have met. Hi!
Is there any corner of the interwebs that offer refuge from your presence? ;)

Good to to see you, Madhu.



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-03 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:33 AM, SS  wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-09-03 at 18:22 +0530, Kingsley Jegan Joseph wrote:
>> ಕನ್ನಡ,  तोडा सा
>> हिंदी
>
> Nitpick about Hindi. The word "thoda" uses the retroflex phoneme for
> "th" which is थ
>
> Also technically I think is should be "thodi si Hindi" and not "thoda sa
> hindi"
>
> shiv
>

Thanks for the corrections to my Hindi. I got a late start on it,
because a) where I grew up (Cuddalore), nobody spoke Hindi and b) I
thought I'd somehow be less of a Tamil boy if I learnt it :)

Coming from a Tamil background, both aspirated (nitpick:थ is
aspirated, not retroflex :) consonants and subject-gendered
verbs/adverbs are very difficult, but hopefully i'll pick it up at
some point.



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-03 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
> Sinhala is one of the ones where we are having a tough time coming up with
> a design that users like (and is harmonious with other scripts). A vast
> majority of native Sinhala speakers seem to prefer variable stroke widths
> in Sinhala fonts and react poorly to proposals with uniform stroke width. I
> think that uniform stroke width is actually easier to read for large blocks
> of text and it is a matter of overcoming the visceral reaction against it.

I don't know about uniform stroke width for all scripts. Bangla seems
like it would be less legible without variable stroke widths.

> Kannada and Telugu haven't been that bad.

Did you make the new Kannada script in Google Transliterate? If so,
nice improvement over the previous one. I'm using it for signage.
Vertical stacking of consonant clusters still hurts legibility though
(no matter what font is used), but not sure what can be done about
that. Also, the characters appear less "rounded" than what I'm used
to.

Tibetan and Myanmarese are more
> challenging. And then there is Nastaleeq (urdu) which where words begin up
> and to the right somewhere above the baseline and descend down and left
> ending at the baseline.



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-03 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
Wow, that's really, really ambitious. I'd love to know what tactics
you use to maintain stroke thicknesses for intricate scripts like
Sinhala or vertical-consonant-stackers like Kannada/Telugu. Good luck!
Kingsley Joseph


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Thaths  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Kingsley Jegan Joseph 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vinayak Hegde  wrote:
>> > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Kingsley Jegan Joseph > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> हिंदी, picola di Italiano & muy pocito Español, read Brahmi and some
>> Tamil
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Welcome. Where did you learn Brahmi (or why did you choose it). Asking
>> > since it is a pretty unusual choice.
>>
>> Self-taught, there are a lot of glyph tables online, and all Indian
>> scripts being Brahmi-derived, very easy to pick up the concepts. Being
>> into history, have always wanted to read inscriptions. Learning Brahmi
>> allowed me to read Asokan edicts, which was pretty cool (even though
>> the underlying Pali was hard, picking out place and people names was
>> cool).
>>
>
> Hi Kingsley,
>
> I've seen your name around. Don't believe we've actually met.
>
> Since you are interested in languages/scripts, you'll be interested in one
> of the projects I'm working on - developing a harmonious font family to
> cover all of the world's (encoded) languages. More details (including some
> fonts to download) at noto.googlecode.com
>
> It has been a fun experience learning about Egyptian Hieroglyphics,
> Sumero-Akkadian Cuneiform and Brahmi as we build fonts for those scripts.
>
> Thaths
> PS: For the cypherpunks of the list, we are also building a font for Linear
> B.
> --
> Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
> Carl:  Nuthin'.
> Homer: D'oh!
> Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
> Homer: Woo-hoo!



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-03 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
 wrote:
> On 03-Sep-2013, at 18:37, Vinayak Hegde  wrote:
>
>>> PS: There is always a danger, when sending this intro email to a new group,
>>> akin to merging into a freeway, of swerving right into the middle of a
>>> 14-wheeler of a conversation with no context. Here's hoping that doesn't
>>> happen.
>>
>> You should find quite a few familiar faces here like me and Jace.
>
> And me I think - half of india-gii and ilug-* is also here.
>
> Welcome
>
> -srs

Thanks Suresh.



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-03 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Deepa Mohan  wrote:
> You seem like an Interesting Person, and that is what Udhay collects.  Your
> only mistake seems to be to assume that  14-wheelers of conversations
> happen here. Pass along, pass along.
>
> Cheers, Deepa.

What?! I am disappoint.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

>
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Kingsley Jegan Joseph 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm Kingsley Jegan Joseph, a denizen of many internet communities, from
>> 4chan to imgur/reddit to fb/twitter. By profession, I make decisions,
>> position, price & market, write code, design and manage products for my 2
>> startups, TripThirsty.com (travel) and BiteMeCompany.com (cupcakes). I've
>> worked in companies of various sizes, in India & the US, from
>> salesforce.com& BNY-Mellon to my current 5-person teams. I'm now based
>> in Bangalore,
>> having returned from an 8-yr stint in the US and loving it here, recessions
>> and exchange rates be damned.
>>
>> I have degrees in fashion design, sociology and information systems. I
>> dabble in history, language (speak/read தமிழ், മലയാളം, ಕನ್ನಡ,  तोडा सा
>> हिंदी, picola di Italiano & muy pocito Español, read Brahmi and some Tamil
>> inscriptions), culture. I try to practice mindfullness, humility/kindness
>> and progressive thinking.
>>
>> And ... back to your regularly scheduled programming!
>>
>> - Kingsley
>> PS: There is always a danger, when sending this intro email to a new group,
>> akin to merging into a freeway, of swerving right into the middle of a
>> 14-wheeler of a conversation with no context. Here's hoping that doesn't
>> happen.
>>



Re: [silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-03 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vinayak Hegde  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Kingsley Jegan Joseph 
> wrote:
>
>> हिंदी, picola di Italiano & muy pocito Español, read Brahmi and some Tamil
>>
>
>
> Welcome. Where did you learn Brahmi (or why did you choose it). Asking
> since it is a pretty unusual choice.

Self-taught, there are a lot of glyph tables online, and all Indian
scripts being Brahmi-derived, very easy to pick up the concepts. Being
into history, have always wanted to read inscriptions. Learning Brahmi
allowed me to read Asokan edicts, which was pretty cool (even though
the underlying Pali was hard, picking out place and people names was
cool).

>> - Kingsley
>> PS: There is always a danger, when sending this intro email to a new group,
>> akin to merging into a freeway, of swerving right into the middle of a
>> 14-wheeler of a conversation with no context. Here's hoping that doesn't
>> happen.
>>
>
> You should find quite a few familiar faces here like me and Jace.
>
> Thanks
> Vinayak

Thanks, good to see you too :)



[silk] [intro] Hello people of silklist!

2013-09-03 Thread Kingsley Jegan Joseph
I'm Kingsley Jegan Joseph, a denizen of many internet communities, from
4chan to imgur/reddit to fb/twitter. By profession, I make decisions,
position, price & market, write code, design and manage products for my 2
startups, TripThirsty.com (travel) and BiteMeCompany.com (cupcakes). I've
worked in companies of various sizes, in India & the US, from
salesforce.com& BNY-Mellon to my current 5-person teams. I'm now based
in Bangalore,
having returned from an 8-yr stint in the US and loving it here, recessions
and exchange rates be damned.

I have degrees in fashion design, sociology and information systems. I
dabble in history, language (speak/read தமிழ், മലയാളം, ಕನ್ನಡ,  तोडा सा
हिंदी, picola di Italiano & muy pocito Español, read Brahmi and some Tamil
inscriptions), culture. I try to practice mindfullness, humility/kindness
and progressive thinking.

And ... back to your regularly scheduled programming!

- Kingsley
PS: There is always a danger, when sending this intro email to a new group,
akin to merging into a freeway, of swerving right into the middle of a
14-wheeler of a conversation with no context. Here's hoping that doesn't
happen.