RE: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread James Osbourne, Holmes
HI,

I am wondering, since any concentration of silver is very much diluted in 
the body, that the effects of the higher PPMs Vs the effects of lower PPMs 
may be influenced by the delicate balance of forces in the colloid at 
increasing concentrations.  Can it be that higher PPM causing particle size 
increase?  I know that with many colloids this is true.  Several 
independent tests have shown that at least one "500"  PPM products on the 
shelf is much lower.  Maybe it was 500 PPM when it was put in the bottle.

James Osbourne, Holmes

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Subject:Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

Is one takes more amount of  5ppm--is that more equivalent to 20ppm?
Susan

>>
Thought: If you have some of the original on which you felt good, try
taking that at a higher dose and see if you get die-off symptoms.
>>


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RE: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread James Osbourne, Holmes
Hi All,

Good Question Marshall.  And how does it---inactivate?---virons?  All I 
have seen says CS "...interferes with the oxygen metabolism of 
pathogens..."   Virons don't have an oxygen metabolism.

James Osbourne, Holmes

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Marsha Hallett wrote:

> Dear Sharon, Yup. (Oooh, ain`t I succint?? I`m eschewing obtuseness...)
>
> Marsha
> PS, Gee, I feel sooo good today! Been taking CS for allergies. Amazing 
how
> it makes me feel fine.

Does anyone have ANY idea how silver could help allergies?  I had assumed 
it
wouldn't, but maybe it kills yeast or something that is causing the 
allergies
to other things.

Marshall


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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Jnenorth
Is one takes more amount of  5ppm--is that more equivalent to 20ppm?
Susan

>>
Thought: If you have some of the original on which you felt good, try
taking that at a higher dose and see if you get die-off symptoms.
>>


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CS>what brand to buy?

1999-06-17 Thread traveler
Dear list, 

I am not at the point where I chose to make my own CS. I wanted to buy
Innovative, as my friend told me it was good (and it was! It has worked
miracles on my gums for one thing). Anyway I can't find it. Our local
stores only carry Source and Futurebiotics. 

How much difference does it make which brand to buy?
 Thanks, Patti


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Re: CS>Re: Kass and MSM

1999-06-17 Thread FEDTOLEDO
Hello Kass,

I know you have surely explored a lot of alternative remedies for the
breast cancer you are in the process of ridding your body of.   I would
like to give you the name and website of someone who was able to cure her
own breast cancer for your information.  Her name is Dr. Lorraine Day
   I may get these details a little confused, but they are
generally accurate and can be confirmed on her website.   Dr. Day was the
head of the San Francisco Memorial Trauma Center for many years, as well as
on staff of the San Francisco University Medical School.She was also a
major aids advocate, believing the medical industry was not trying to cure
aids and indeed did much to cover up what they know are cures that work. 

She was diagnosed with breast cancer, which eventually spread.  She had a
very large tumor on her chest, but refused kemo and radiation therapies and
struck out to find natural cures.   I have two of her videos and like them
very much.  I'm not fighting cancer, but after listening to her speak on a
radio show, I wanted to see what she had discovered as the lifestyle, diet,
treatments, etc.,  she believes can can do much to help us all stay or get
healthy  and alternative treatment options she found most viable for cancer
and many other diseases. 

I won't spend any more time reciting what I recall of her experience,
perhaps you are already familiar with her, or perhaps you are already
involved in a program that works best for you.  You can check out her
website for the accurate details, and Oh, I believe she has a Thursday
night chat hour from 7 to 8 or 8 to 9 where you can direct your questions
to her.

Thinking of healing thoughts towards you,
Diana
  


> Hi Sharon,
>I have breast cancer, and I know I have a large feeder blood vessel
mass
> feeding the tumor.  I take MSM, now I'm wondering if I should stop.  Do
you
> think taking MSM is increasing the blood flow and food chain to the
tumor?
>Kass
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Re: CS>Silver in the brain reply

1999-06-17 Thread D. Garrett
as of the latest tv news report they don't know what causes tinnitus,
and have no idea of a treatment.  if anyone has a trick that works
PLEASE let me know. the ringing in my ears keeps me awake sometimes it's
so loud.
Dennis


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Re: CS and Anxiety REPLY reply

1999-06-17 Thread D. Garrett
we could kinda figure that part out   :-)
do you have any OTHER info on
them you can share?  CPAP machines
i mean. i don't use the letter attached
option on my mail.
Dennis


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Re: CS>Silver in the brain reply

1999-06-17 Thread jani
Does it help tintinites? (sp) Ringing in the ears?
Jani


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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 4:50 PM
Subject: CS>Silver in the brain


>Silverados:
>
>  You may remember my "weird" experiences putting CS in my ear (which I
>haven't done for a few weeks...)
>
>  Well I just picked the following up from another list. It is about using
>ozone in the ear. However, I am thinking that, since I was using WaterOz,
>which is a very small size particle, perhaps the silver WAS getting into my
>sinuses and brain.
>
>   Interesting idea.
>
>
>(This quote was originally about ozone, but what about silver?)
>
>"The gas [ozone] is run in at a slow flow rate, and diffuses through the
>ear drum,
>then into the middle ear, into the inner ear, as well as down the
>Eustachiantube, into the sinuses, and finally, into the brain.
>
>"Many people insufflate their ears with ozone to help their brains
functions
>better and the sinuses get cleared upas a SIDE benefit!!"
>~~~
>
>~^^V^^~
>
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Re: CS and Anxiety REPLY reply

1999-06-17 Thread jani
Chuck

A CPAP is a machine for those of us that suffer from sleep apnea.
Hugs, Jani



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Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: CS and Anxiety REPLY


>Now I see why some lurkers get testy about acronym usage among the
>"insiders"
>How about, as a matter of nettiquit, if your first usage in a post is
>fully spelled out. Then, shortcut with your acronym thereafter?
>
>ie: I love colloidal silver! CS does wonders for me.
>What the hell is CPAP?
> Chuck
>
>On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:12:29 -0700, "jani"  wrote:
>
>>Ever thought of using a CPAP machine?
>
>The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits
>
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Re: CS>Boo!!

1999-06-17 Thread D. Garrett
posts still coming in here!!!
sometimes the same post two or three times and a day apart!
spooky, huh?
Dennis


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CS>Silver in the brain

1999-06-17 Thread Vilik Rapheles
Silverados:

  You may remember my "weird" experiences putting CS in my ear (which I
haven't done for a few weeks...) 

  Well I just picked the following up from another list. It is about using
ozone in the ear. However, I am thinking that, since I was using WaterOz,
which is a very small size particle, perhaps the silver WAS getting into my
sinuses and brain. 

   Interesting idea.


(This quote was originally about ozone, but what about silver?)

"The gas [ozone] is run in at a slow flow rate, and diffuses through the
ear drum,
then into the middle ear, into the inner ear, as well as down the
Eustachiantube, into the sinuses, and finally, into the brain. 

"Many people insufflate their ears with ozone to help their brains functions
better and the sinuses get cleared upas a SIDE benefit!!"
~~~

~^^V^^~


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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Vilik Rapheles
Now I'm totally confused...

Am I in brain frog? Or is this confusing?

~^^V^^~

At 05:47 PM 6/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
>You misunderstood.  I know it can cross the barrier, it crossed the
barrier when
>I had it.  What I was asking was if the cases that CS cured alone, had it
been
>established that it had crossed the barrier into the brain.
>
>Marshall
>
>sinaj...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Marshal,
>>  From everything I have read the one reason they have trouble curing
lyme
>> after it goes chronic is that many of the abx do not cross the blood/brain
>> barrier.  There is proof though that the lyme bacteria does get in the
brain
>> and that is why many people have symptoms similiar to alzheimers.  Here is
>> some info reprinted  from Dr. Burrascano's Protocal on Lyme.
>>
>> SPECT scanning of the brain, if done by knowledgeable radiologists using
>> high-resolution equipment, will show characteristic abnormalities in Lyme
>> encephalopathy. This not only helps with the differential diagnosis, but if
>> done before and after acetazolamide, it will guide in the use of
>> vasodilators, which may clear some cognitive symptoms. Therapy can also
>> include serotonin agonists, pentoxiphylline and even Ginko biloba.
>> Therapeutic trials may be needed.
>>
>> If you would like to understand more on Lyme disease here is the address
for
>> his whole protocal.
>> http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/UID/guidelines#INTRODUCTION
>>
>> Yep, Marshal I would say that it does cross the barrier.
>> Janis
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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Sharon L. House
>Valik,
>  I thought that if the CS particles were small enough it could penetrate
>the blood/brain barrier.  Especially the WaterOz we are taking.  The particle
>size of ionic should be small enough to penetrate anything shouldn't it or am
>I wrong?  Does anyone know the answer?  I thought that was part of the reason
>so many was having mental herxes.  The die off of bacteria in the brain.
>
>Take care,
>Janis


The only thing I know about is candida yeast and I understand the toxins
from candida are one of the few things that are able to cross the
blood/brain barrier. And it's those toxins that can give you the mental
symptoms.

Sharon



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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Michael Anthony
This brings up a point that has intrigued me. How does CS help lift my
depression if it can't cross the blood brain barrier. I think that the
cause of clinical depression lies in the brain and brain function.   
Any ideas? research?

Michael

Vilik Rapheles wrote:
> 
> At 12:14 PM 6/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >  The cs did a good job of clearing it [Lyme] from her blood system, but
> she was
> >not able to clear it from her brain and lymph system until she started
> >using Beck's 4 step protocol:
> 
> colloidal silver
> >ozonated water
> >magnetic pulsing
> >zapping
> > 
> Good information, Marshall. Would you be able to say what symptoms cleared
> up and what didn't, on just the cs? And how you knew it was still in her
> brain and lymph system?
> 
> Also, do you (or anyone) know whether c. gold can affect organisms in the
> brain? Someone on list said it helps Alzheimers, which is certainly in the
> brain. I wonder if it can penetrate the blood/brain barrier, as apparently
> CS cannot...
> 
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Re: CS>Re: Any Experience with "Nature's Rx"?

1999-06-17 Thread Sammark4
Hello,

I'm looking for reasonably priced colloidal minerals.  Was it CsPro that 
had them for $50 per gallon?  I think so.  Anyway, I came across a website 
that sells colloidals minerals for $10/quart.  It's "Nature's Rx".  They also 
sell CS for $12 for 4 oz.  Anyone have experience with "Nature's Rx" good or 
bad?  Thanks in advance.
Samm


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CS>Mental herx

1999-06-17 Thread Jnenorth
Kass,
My mental herx was depression in a major way and the foggy brain stuff--can't 
remember, concentration, etc.
Susan

In a message dated 99-06-15 22:48:18 EDT, you write:

<< Ok Guys,
Tell me again about this mental herx you're talking about.  I've been
 doing the WaterOz silver for 5 days now, and just realized how depressed I'm
 becoming.  Also troubles concentrating and remembering things.  I've got the
 joint pain on and off, a little tired too...I expected that.  I didn't
 notice how anxious I was until I found myself taking a tranquilizer this
 afternoon.  I only ever take one to help keep me in REM sleep.  Lyme left me
 unable to maintain REM, Atavan gets me there and keeps me there for a few
 hrs.  Is this anxiety normal?
 Kass >>


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Re: CS>Boo!!

1999-06-17 Thread Harvey Flatbush

At 04:17 PM 6/17/99 -0500, you wrote: 
  Is
there anyone still out there?? Haven't seen a post since May
25th.
 
Maybe my computer is
"broke", or maybe Mike didn't pay the bill :<)
 
Dean Woodward



I can't figure what might be wrong Dean, there has been 2 messages come
in since your post.  Maybe somehow you got unsubscribed.  Did
you just now notice you haven't been getting any CS mail since the 25th
of last month?

Harvey




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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Sinaj101
Marshall,
 I feel that knowing their symptoms alone as I do is proof enough for me. 
 Maybe Marsha, Candace, and Nick will tell you the myriad of symptoms they 
had.  You don't get sympoms like they did if it didn't I don't think.  I 
guess now that they are cured though its just their word against yours. There 
is some speculation that lyme crosses the blood/brain barrier in just a few 
short hours others say it takes a while for it to happen.  That is why they 
put people on such high doses of abx so as much as possible will cross the 
blood/brain barrier. 

Janis 


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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
You misunderstood.  I know it can cross the barrier, it crossed the barrier when
I had it.  What I was asking was if the cases that CS cured alone, had it been
established that it had crossed the barrier into the brain.

Marshall

sinaj...@aol.com wrote:

> Marshal,
>  From everything I have read the one reason they have trouble curing lyme
> after it goes chronic is that many of the abx do not cross the blood/brain
> barrier.  There is proof though that the lyme bacteria does get in the brain
> and that is why many people have symptoms similiar to alzheimers.  Here is
> some info reprinted  from Dr. Burrascano's Protocal on Lyme.
>
> SPECT scanning of the brain, if done by knowledgeable radiologists using
> high-resolution equipment, will show characteristic abnormalities in Lyme
> encephalopathy. This not only helps with the differential diagnosis, but if
> done before and after acetazolamide, it will guide in the use of
> vasodilators, which may clear some cognitive symptoms. Therapy can also
> include serotonin agonists, pentoxiphylline and even Ginko biloba.
> Therapeutic trials may be needed.
>
> If you would like to understand more on Lyme disease here is the address for
> his whole protocal.
> http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/UID/guidelines#INTRODUCTION
>
> Yep, Marshal I would say that it does cross the barrier.
> Janis
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CS>Boo!!

1999-06-17 Thread Dean Woodward
  Is there anyone still out there?? Haven't seen a post since May 25th.

Maybe my computer is "broke", or maybe Mike didn't pay the bill :<)

Dean Woodward
<>

Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Sinaj101
Marshal,
 From everything I have read the one reason they have trouble curing lyme 
after it goes chronic is that many of the abx do not cross the blood/brain 
barrier.  There is proof though that the lyme bacteria does get in the brain 
and that is why many people have symptoms similiar to alzheimers.  Here is 
some info reprinted  from Dr. Burrascano's Protocal on Lyme.

SPECT scanning of the brain, if done by knowledgeable radiologists using 
high-resolution equipment, will show characteristic abnormalities in Lyme 
encephalopathy. This not only helps with the differential diagnosis, but if 
done before and after acetazolamide, it will guide in the use of 
vasodilators, which may clear some cognitive symptoms. Therapy can also 
include serotonin agonists, pentoxiphylline and even Ginko biloba. 
Therapeutic trials may be needed. 


If you would like to understand more on Lyme disease here is the address for 
his whole protocal. 
http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/UID/guidelines#INTRODUCTION

Yep, Marshal I would say that it does cross the barrier.
Janis


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Re: CS>mucus?

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
If filtering though tissue that has aloe vera in it, it could be some of
the aloe vera dissolving out.  I am not sure there is that much in the
tissue, but my wife suggested that possibility a little while ago.

Marshall

Liz Pavek wrote:

>  Wong: If that "mucus" is coming off one of the wires, it's silver
> sintering off the electrodes.  It tends to look a little like mucus as
> it hangs suspended in the water. Liz




Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Marsha Hallett



>Oh Marsha be careful I've heard that can hurt your teeth. . . . . . ;~)
>
>Sparrow
>
>>Dear Sharon, Yup. (Oooh, ain`t I succint?? I`m eschewing obtuseness...)
>>
>>Marsha


Sparrow, No problem, as I practice with eschewing gum... :o)
MLH


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CS>mucus?

1999-06-17 Thread Liz Pavek
Wong: If that "mucus" is coming off one of the wires, it's silver sintering off 
the electrodes.  It tends to look a little like mucus as it hangs suspended in 
the water.  

Liz



Re: CS and Anxiety

1999-06-17 Thread JD Klein
what is the difference between the Water Oz on line product and the Water Oz
without a webpage.

I am also perplexed about ionic silver.  Water Oz claims to be totally
dissolved and ionic.  My school days are long behind me, but I thought
metals must be in an ionic salt to dissolve into ions in water.  Like
NaCl... sodium is a metal...


-Original Message-
From: Vilik Rapheles 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 12:43 PM
Subject: CS and Anxiety


>At 07:51 PM 6/15/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>Ok Guys,
>>   Tell me again about this mental herx you're talking about.  I've been
>>doing the WaterOz silver for 5 days now, and just realized how depressed
I'm
>>becoming.  Also troubles concentrating and remembering things.  I've got
the
>>joint pain on and off, a little tired too...I expected that.  I didn't
>>notice how anxious I was until I found myself taking a tranquilizer this
>>afternoon.  I only ever take one to help keep me in REM sleep.  Lyme left
me
>>unable to maintain REM, Atavan gets me there and keeps me there for a few
>>hrs.  Is this anxiety normal?
>>Kass
>~~~
>



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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Michael Giammarino
SHARON,

I had ulcers for 6 years, took zantac for that time, could not go more than
24 hours between doses. took 5ppm CS and it has been 40 days with no zantac
and allergy's have gotten better

mike
-Original Message-
From: Sharon L. House 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm


>> started using store purchased 5 ppm CS. worked  great for stomach
>>bacteria and allergy symtoms.   started making my own with a cs pro kit.
>>20 ppm,  should be better, but I do not feel as good using it.   its clear
>>while the first was a light  yellow.   I had a lot of energy on the 5 ppm
>>and now i  feel not so good on the 20 ppm.   less energy, sore top  of
>>mouth, tired,  irritable.   any idea's   thanks mike
>
>
>Mike,
>
>I strongly suspect that the 20ppm is doing you more good than the other.
>Except that I don't know how you came to the conclusion that the 5ppm works
>great for stomach bacteria and allergy symptoms. If you could explain that
>it would help. Not saying that the 5ppm wasn't doing anything, just saying
>that the other could very well be better, more powerful stuff. The 20ppm
>surely sounds as though it's putting you in dieoff and as bad as it can
>feel, it's a very good thing in the long run. The bad feelings may not even
>last all that long if you keep at it. Dieoff is the only way your body has
>of getting rid of the toxins from dying pathogens. It takes energy to clean
>these toxins out. Also I'm under the impression that clear CS is preferable
>to yellow as yellow indicates larger particle size.
>
>If you continue to feel bad, ease your dose of the CS or go off it for a
>couple days and then try it again. Let us know how you feel, Mike. We're
>interested.
>
>Sharon
>
>
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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
Was there any proof the lyme bacteria has crossed the barrier?  It doesn't 
always
cross the barrier, and if it didn't then the CS can kill it without crossing the
barrier.  Dizzyness and other neurological symptoms can result from toxins
without the bacteria having crossed the barrier.

Marshall

donna2...@aol.com wrote:

> V,
>   There is no proof yet as to whether CS can or cannot penetrate the barrier.
>  If it cannot then how did Nick and Candace and Marsha get rid of their lyme?
>  I am still betting that it does.
> Donna
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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Vilik Rapheles
>Marshall and V,
>  I to had swollen lymph nodes but they are gone and have not returned since 
>using the CS.  Also had brain frog and pressure in my head, both of which
are 
>gone.
>Donna
>

 *!!*Y*E*A*H*!***

What GREAT news for all of us out here in Lyme, Mycoplasma and
what-have-you land.

Gives me thrills and chills. My day is coming!

~^^V^^~

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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Donna2424
V,
 I take CsPro and I have gone through those mental herxes also.  This last 
time no mental herx though, boy was that nice.
Donna


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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Donna2424
V,
  There is no proof yet as to whether CS can or cannot penetrate the barrier. 
 If it cannot then how did Nick and Candace and Marsha get rid of their lyme? 
 I am still betting that it does.
Donna


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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Donna2424
In a message dated 6/D/YY 1:13:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mdud...@execonn.com writes:

<< 
 What did not clear up was the feeling of a kind of cap on top of her head,
 some remaining dizziness and swollen lymph nodes.  The lymph cleared up with
 the magnetic pulsing, and all of them with all four.  Can't say for sure 
which
 helped which, since except for the magnetic pulsing, she was doing them at 
the
 same time.  She got the magnetic pulsar later, when the lymph nodes stayed
 swollen.
 
 Marshall
  >>
Marshall and V,
  I to had swollen lymph nodes but they are gone and have not returned since 
using the CS.  Also had brain frog and pressure in my head, both of which are 
gone.
Donna


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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Vilik Rapheles
At 02:01 PM 6/17/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Valik, 
>  I thought that if the CS particles were small enough it could
penetrate 
>the blood/brain barrier.  Especially the WaterOz we are taking.  The
particle 
>size of ionic should be small enough to penetrate anything shouldn't it or
am 
>I wrong?  Does anyone know the answer?  I thought that was part of the
reason 
>so many was having mental herxes.  The die off of bacteria in the brain.  
>
>Take care,
>
Janis

Janis, 

   I've heard both opinions on the list. But I would think anything that is
being killed off...something in the gut, for instance...can cause mental
reactions as the toxins released by the dying organisms as well as their
dead bodies (yuck) circulate through the blood stream. I HOPE WaterOz is
killing bad things in my brain! Would be interesting to take an informal
poll and see if those of us on WaterOz experience more mental Herx than the
others...

~^^V^^~



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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
There is a blood brain barrier which attempts to prevent any elements from
crossing that have no transport mechanisms built in.  Silver does not have a
transport, so it should not cross.  All information I have been able to find
indicates that it will not cross.  Murcury should not cross either, but it does,
so the barrier is not foolproof.  I have heard, but not confirmed, that gold 
will
cross.  We are exploring this now, but cannot talk about it until our patents 
are
filed.

Marshall

sinaj...@aol.com wrote:

> Valik,
>   I thought that if the CS particles were small enough it could penetrate
> the blood/brain barrier.  Especially the WaterOz we are taking.  The particle
> size of ionic should be small enough to penetrate anything shouldn't it or am
> I wrong?  Does anyone know the answer?  I thought that was part of the reason
> so many was having mental herxes.  The die off of bacteria in the brain.
>
> Take care,
> Janis
>
> In a message dated 6/17/99 9:34:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vi...@peak.org
> writes:
>
> <<
>  Also, do you (or anyone) know whether c. gold can affect organisms in the
>  brain? Someone on list said it helps Alzheimers, which is certainly in the
>  brain. I wonder if it can penetrate the blood/brain barrier, as apparently
>  CS cannot...
>
>  ~^^V^^~
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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Sinaj101
Valik, 
  I thought that if the CS particles were small enough it could penetrate 
the blood/brain barrier.  Especially the WaterOz we are taking.  The particle 
size of ionic should be small enough to penetrate anything shouldn't it or am 
I wrong?  Does anyone know the answer?  I thought that was part of the reason 
so many was having mental herxes.  The die off of bacteria in the brain.  

Take care,
Janis


In a message dated 6/17/99 9:34:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vi...@peak.org 
writes:

<< 
 Also, do you (or anyone) know whether c. gold can affect organisms in the
 brain? Someone on list said it helps Alzheimers, which is certainly in the
 brain. I wonder if it can penetrate the blood/brain barrier, as apparently
 CS cannot...
 
 ~^^V^^~
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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Scharbach
Oh Marsha be careful I've heard that can hurt your teeth. . . . . . ;~)

Sparrow

>Dear Sharon, Yup. (Oooh, ain`t I succint?? I`m eschewing obtuseness...)
>
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Re: CS>mucus

1999-06-17 Thread Scharbach
Oh great Marshall!  LOL!!!  Now I've snorted juice all over my monitor!!

That was an unexpected and hilarious reply!


Sparrow

>> Has anyone gotten some light yellow mucus in their cs?
>>
>
>Yuck!  The tissue you are using is not used is it?
>
>Marshall
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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
Vilik Rapheles wrote:

> At 12:14 PM 6/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >  The cs did a good job of clearing it [Lyme] from her blood system, but
> she was
> >not able to clear it from her brain and lymph system until she started
> >using Beck's 4 step protocol:
>
> colloidal silver
> >ozonated water
> >magnetic pulsing
> >zapping
> > 
> Good information, Marshall. Would you be able to say what symptoms cleared
> up and what didn't, on just the cs? And how you knew it was still in her
> brain and lymph system?
>

What cleared up with CS was her chronic fatigue syndrome, and most of her
dizziness, and her face, but that was not from lyme.  She went from going to
bed when to got home from work at 6 pm to staying up to watch TV to midnight,
about 6 hours less sleep, and went from dragging around to full of energy.

What did not clear up was the feeling of a kind of cap on top of her head,
some remaining dizziness and swollen lymph nodes.  The lymph cleared up with
the magnetic pulsing, and all of them with all four.  Can't say for sure which
helped which, since except for the magnetic pulsing, she was doing them at the
same time.  She got the magnetic pulsar later, when the lymph nodes stayed
swollen.

Marshall

> Also, do you (or anyone) know whether c. gold can affect organisms in the
> brain? Someone on list said it helps Alzheimers, which is certainly in the
> brain. I wonder if it can penetrate the blood/brain barrier, as apparently
> CS cannot...
>
> ~^^V^^~
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Re: CS and Anxiety REPLY

1999-06-17 Thread Charles King
Now I see why some lurkers get testy about acronym usage among the
"insiders"
How about, as a matter of nettiquit, if your first usage in a post is
fully spelled out. Then, shortcut with your acronym thereafter?

ie: I love colloidal silver! CS does wonders for me.
What the hell is CPAP?
Chuck

On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:12:29 -0700, "jani"  wrote:

>Ever thought of using a CPAP machine?

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Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Marsha Hallett


>Also, do you (or anyone) know whether c. gold can affect organisms in the
>brain? Someone on list said it helps Alzheimers, which is certainly in the
>brain. I wonder if it can penetrate the blood/brain barrier, as apparently
>CS cannot...


Dear Vilik, I think CS can get into the brain, as it sure did clear up my
Lyme frogs!!!
Marsha, no more ribbits for me


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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Marsha Hallett
>Does anyone have ANY idea how silver could help allergies?  I had assumed
it
>wouldn't, but maybe it kills yeast or something that is causing the
allergies
>to other things.
>
>Marshall


Dear Marshall, I heard that it boosts the immune system, and allergies are
simply that system overreacting to the allergens. If I swallow CS as well as
drop it into my eyes, the itchiness and soreness goes away. Thank God! I
used to be s miserable every spring.
Marsha


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CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...

1999-06-17 Thread Vilik Rapheles
At 12:14 PM 6/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
>  The cs did a good job of clearing it [Lyme] from her blood system, but
she was
>not able to clear it from her brain and lymph system until she started
>using Beck's 4 step protocol:  

colloidal silver 
>ozonated water 
>magnetic pulsing 
>zapping 
> 
Good information, Marshall. Would you be able to say what symptoms cleared
up and what didn't, on just the cs? And how you knew it was still in her
brain and lymph system?

Also, do you (or anyone) know whether c. gold can affect organisms in the
brain? Someone on list said it helps Alzheimers, which is certainly in the
brain. I wonder if it can penetrate the blood/brain barrier, as apparently
CS cannot...

~^^V^^~


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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
Marsha Hallett wrote:

> Dear Sharon, Yup. (Oooh, ain`t I succint?? I`m eschewing obtuseness...)
>
> Marsha
> PS, Gee, I feel sooo good today! Been taking CS for allergies. Amazing how
> it makes me feel fine.

Does anyone have ANY idea how silver could help allergies?  I had assumed it
wouldn't, but maybe it kills yeast or something that is causing the allergies
to other things.

Marshall


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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
The cs did a good job of clearing it from her blood system, but she was
not able to clear it from her brain and lymph system until she started
using Beck's 4 step protocol:

colloidal silver
ozonated water
magnetic pulsing
zapping


 She feels better than she has in years now.


Marshall

Marsha Hallett wrote:

>
>
>   My sister used the 5 ppm, couple of ounces twice a day for
>  lymes.
>
>  marshall
>
>  OK, then! I took 3 swallows of CS a day, don`t know how many
>  ounces that added up to. It takes more CS, either in total
>  amount or PPM, to kill Lyme as the bugs can hide inside
>  cells. The nasty little critters...Boo hiss...How is she
>  doing??
>
>  Marsha
>
>
>
>
>



Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Marsha Hallett


>Marsha,
>
>Wouldn't using more of a weaker solution work as well as the 30ppm?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sharon


Dear Sharon, Yup. (Oooh, ain`t I succint?? I`m eschewing obtuseness...)

Marsha
PS, Gee, I feel sooo good today! Been taking CS for allergies. Amazing how
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Re: CS>Re: Nizoral or Nystatin

1999-06-17 Thread Vilik Rapheles
> ~~~
> Jeff Clark cured himself of Candida and now has a product, a websight and I
> think a list. He believes (with good evidence) that candida is supported by
> mercury and other heavy metals. He didn't get well until he had all his
> amalgam (wrongly called silver) filings and his root canals out.  >>
>
>
>Where do find out more about this?
>edith
>~~~
Try contacting Jeff at this address.

cts...@mail.teleport.com

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Re: CS>Re: MSM

1999-06-17 Thread Sharon L. House
>Hi Sharon,
>   Thanks for your support.
>   I've been treating my cancer for 7 years with alternative treatments.
>Just recently started CS.  I'm going to get the book you mentioned.
>   I think it is always helpful to hear what others have to say.  We all are
>different and have different experiences.  Learning of others experiences
>broadens my own.
>   Thanks for your thoughts,
> Kass


Kass, please keep us informed as to how well the CS works for you. I am
intensely interested! Personally, I'm glad you're using alternative
treatments. The fact that you've been able to hold this at bay for 7 years
is, I think, a good sign and a tribute to you! The best of luck to you. I
mean this with all my heart.

Sharon



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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Marsha Hallett



My sister used the 5 ppm, couple of ounces twice a day for lymes. 
marshall 

OK, then! I took 3 swallows of CS a day, don`t know how many ounces that 
added up to. It takes more CS, either in total amount or PPM, to kill Lyme as 
the bugs can hide inside cells. The nasty little critters...Boo hiss...How is 
she doing??

Marsha







RE: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread James Osbourne, Holmes
You can make 5 PPM with the CSPro machine.  
James Osbourne, Holmes

a...@trail.com

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From:   Vilik Rapheles [SMTP:vi...@peak.org]
Sent:   Wednesday, June 16, 1999 11:31 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

At 11:10 PM 6/16/99 -0700, you wrote:
>started using store purchased 5 ppm CS. worked  great for stomach
>bacteria and allergy symtoms.   started making my own with a cs pro kit. 20
>ppm,  should be better, but I do not feel as good using it.   its clear
>while the first was a light  yellow.   I had a lot of energy on the 5 ppm
>and now i  feel not so good on the 20 ppm. of mouth, tired,  irritable.
>  any idea's   thanks mike 
~~~
Well...could go several ways. 

1. You could have put yourself in die-off or Herx. When I was taking GFSE,
I felt great on one dose, but even a few drops more made me miserable.

2. One person on the list believed that the 5ppm was more effective than
the 20ppm.

3. Could your own be contaminated in some way?

Thought: If you have some of the original on which you felt good, try
taking that at a higher dose and see if you get die-off symptoms.


~^^V^^~


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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Sharon L. House
>Did you try this on Lyme?? I had to use 30 PPM  before I got well.
>(LVDC)
>
>Marsha


Marsha,

Wouldn't using more of a weaker solution work as well as the 30ppm?

Thanks,

Sharon




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Re: CS> Questions about CS from my dad

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
I think one would need to keep safety in mind for this. A car battery can put 
out
over 1,000 amps if shorted, so if the electrodes accidently shorted out, the
electodes and wire would likely be vaporized.  One time I accidently dropped a
screw driver and it landed across the terminals of a car batter and the entire
shaft of the screwdriver was immediately vaporized.  I was blinded and deaf for
several minutes after that from the flash and bang.

Be sure to put a limiting resistor in series with the wire and fuse it as well.

Marshall

sinaj...@aol.com wrote:

> Dear List, I talked to my father about making CS and he wants to but he has a
> few questions and I am not familiar with this well enough to answer them.  I
> know a lot of you out there are though.  Can you please give me an answer to
> his questions so I can send them on to him.  He goes camping a lot and wants
> to be able to make his CS while on vacation without the 9 volt batteries.
> Thanks for all your help, Janis
>
> Hi Jan,   I've been doing some wondering. If a Lab. Tech.
> used a 12 Volt Battery on a Car and used a little bit
> larger lead wires and put the wires a 1/2" apart instead of 1" apart,
> possible it would do the same thing and a
> person would always have a full charged battery to use
> and not have to fool with the little 9 volt batteries that may
> be 1/2 run down.  A person could drill holes 1", 3/4, 1/2 and
> 1/4 and experiment to where he had a few bubbles or a
> little activity working on the silver. That would be so
> handy to do around a Camper or Truck. If it was 7 or 8ppm
> how much would be a daily dose. Would 2 tablespoons
> full be enough to maybe remove warts and also give the
> body his daily needs or should it be maybe 3 tble spoons
> full per day. I know it would be a guess, so a person
> might have to experiment a little with it and see if he could
> tell some difference,   I guess.   WHAT DO YOU THINK
> ABOUT ALL THIS.
>
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Re: CS and Anxiety REPLY

1999-06-17 Thread Sharon L. House
>Hi
>Ever thought of using a CPAP machine? It is for sleep apnea.  I never got to
>Rem before I got the machine and now I always do.
>Just a thought.
>Hugs, Jani


Please explain what this machine is. And the cost.

Thank you much,

Sharon



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CS>Re: Questions about CS from my dad

1999-06-17 Thread Sharon L. House
Janis,

I think that your Dad might be too worried about the 9-volt batteries
running down quickly. I have heard that they last a very long time for
this. I haven't made a lot of CS yet myself but I have used my current
(pun) batteries for probably about 6-8 hours and according to my voltmeter
they are still fully charged. It sure seems that these little batteries
would be a lot easier to deal with than getting under the hood and hooking
up a rig to the car battery.

Sharon



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Re: CS>Re: Shaken?

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
wong...@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 6/16/99 7:37:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, a...@trail.com
> writes:
>
> << Re: your "sparklies."  I have seen a lot of *lint* get into my CS
>   sometimes, especially if I use a facial tissue instead of a paper
>   napkin for wiping off my electrodes. Try "filtering" some plain water
>   and see if anything is coming off the paper towel.
>>>
>
> Has anyone gotten some light yellow mucus in their cs?
>

Yuck!  The tissue you are using is not used is it?

Marshall


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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
My sister used the 5 ppm, couple of ounces twice a day for lymes.

marshall

Marsha Hallett wrote:

>
>
>   Our tests have indicated that 5 ppm is optimum for killing
>  pathogens orally.  10 is also good for topical.
>
>  Marshall
>
>  Did you try this on Lyme?? I had to use 30 PPM before I got
>  well. (LVDC)
>
>  Marsha
>



CS>New to List

1999-06-17 Thread Anthony W. Nettis
Hello!  I just joined this list because I got turned off by all the
negativity and argumentative style of many of the posts on
misc.health.alternative newsgroup.  Anyway I have been using CS for about a
year.  I started with a 30V DC generator but then moved up to a high voltage
AC generator.  I have had great results thus far and have not turned gray .
. . . lol.  Looking forward from hearing about other peoples use of CS.

Tony

-Original Message-
From: RON BRENNEN [mailto:b...@lcia.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 11:00 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm


Michael Giammarino wrote:
>
> started using store purchased 5 ppm CS. worked great for stomach
> bacteria and allergy symtoms.
>
> started making my own with a cs pro kit. 20 ppm, should be better, but
> I do not feel as good using it.
>
> its clear while the first was a light yellow.
>
> I had a lot of energy on the 5 ppm and now i feel not so good on the
> 20 ppm.
>
> less energy, sore top  of mouth, tired, irritable.
>
> any idea's
>
> thanks mike

  I also found the same results with 5-10 PPM as opposed to higher
  PPM. There maybe a homeopathic action taking place with the lower
  PPM. CS seems to have other subtle effects in addition to its
  antibiotic effects.
  Ron


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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread RON BRENNEN
Michael Giammarino wrote:
> 
> started using store purchased 5 ppm CS. worked great for stomach
> bacteria and allergy symtoms.
> 
> started making my own with a cs pro kit. 20 ppm, should be better, but
> I do not feel as good using it.
> 
> its clear while the first was a light yellow.
> 
> I had a lot of energy on the 5 ppm and now i feel not so good on the
> 20 ppm.
> 
> less energy, sore top  of mouth, tired, irritable.
> 
> any idea's
> 
> thanks mike

  I also found the same results with 5-10 PPM as opposed to higher
  PPM. There maybe a homeopathic action taking place with the lower
  PPM. CS seems to have other subtle effects in addition to its
  antibiotic effects.
  Ron


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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Sharon L. House
> started using store purchased 5 ppm CS. worked  great for stomach
>bacteria and allergy symtoms.   started making my own with a cs pro kit.
>20 ppm,  should be better, but I do not feel as good using it.   its clear
>while the first was a light  yellow.   I had a lot of energy on the 5 ppm
>and now i  feel not so good on the 20 ppm.   less energy, sore top  of
>mouth, tired,  irritable.   any idea's   thanks mike


Mike,

I strongly suspect that the 20ppm is doing you more good than the other.
Except that I don't know how you came to the conclusion that the 5ppm works
great for stomach bacteria and allergy symptoms. If you could explain that
it would help. Not saying that the 5ppm wasn't doing anything, just saying
that the other could very well be better, more powerful stuff. The 20ppm
surely sounds as though it's putting you in dieoff and as bad as it can
feel, it's a very good thing in the long run. The bad feelings may not even
last all that long if you keep at it. Dieoff is the only way your body has
of getting rid of the toxins from dying pathogens. It takes energy to clean
these toxins out. Also I'm under the impression that clear CS is preferable
to yellow as yellow indicates larger particle size.

If you continue to feel bad, ease your dose of the CS or go off it for a
couple days and then try it again. Let us know how you feel, Mike. We're
interested.

Sharon



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Re: CS>Re: MSM

1999-06-17 Thread Scharbach



>what is emu oil good for?
>

Lots of things.   It is a carrier oil, so will carry all types of things
across the skin barrier.   It is said that it is great for arthritis.

Also, creams, soap, etc made from emu oil are WONDERFUL on the skin.

Sparrow


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Re: CS and Anxiety REPLY

1999-06-17 Thread FRinehart2
Jani,

What is a CPAP machine??  My son (26) has had problems w/ achieveing REM for 
years.

Frank


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Re: CS>Re: Nizoral or Nystatin

1999-06-17 Thread tj garland
Read Hulda Clark's  " A Cure For All Diseases".  Kevorkian For White House
Physician.  Jolly


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Re: CS>Re: Nizoral or Nystatin

1999-06-17 Thread EJohns9525
In a message dated 6/15/99 10:40:08 AM Central Daylight Time, vi...@peak.org 
writes:

<< There is a person on the Yeast List that believes that candida yeast is not
 a basic problem and that something always underlies it. I agree 
 
 ~~~
 Jeff Clark cured himself of Candida and now has a product, a websight and I
 think a list. He believes (with good evidence) that candida is supported by
 mercury and other heavy metals. He didn't get well until he had all his
 amalgam (wrongly called silver) filings and his root canals out.  >>


Where do find out more about this?
edith


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Re: CS>Re: Shaken?

1999-06-17 Thread Wong111
In a message dated 6/16/99 7:37:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, a...@trail.com 
writes:

<< Re: your "sparklies."  I have seen a lot of *lint* get into my CS 
  sometimes, especially if I use a facial tissue instead of a paper 
  napkin for wiping off my electrodes. Try "filtering" some plain water 
  and see if anything is coming off the paper towel.
   >>

Has anyone gotten some light yellow mucus in their cs?

wong


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Re: CS>Re: MSM

1999-06-17 Thread Vilik Rapheles
At 11:42 PM 6/16/99 EDT, you wrote:
>what is emu oil good for?
>~~
It is antibacterial. It is good for skin conditions. It is deeply
penetrating. Can be used for arthritis. It can be taken internally too.
Call 1 800 814 EMUS and they will send you info. 
>


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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Vilik Rapheles
At 11:10 PM 6/16/99 -0700, you wrote:
>started using store purchased 5 ppm CS. worked  great for stomach
>bacteria and allergy symtoms.   started making my own with a cs pro kit. 20
>ppm,  should be better, but I do not feel as good using it.   its clear
>while the first was a light  yellow.   I had a lot of energy on the 5 ppm
>and now i  feel not so good on the 20 ppm. of mouth, tired,  irritable.
>  any idea's   thanks mike 
~~~
Well...could go several ways. 

1. You could have put yourself in die-off or Herx. When I was taking GFSE,
I felt great on one dose, but even a few drops more made me miserable.

2. One person on the list believed that the 5ppm was more effective than
the 20ppm.

3. Could your own be contaminated in some way?

Thought: If you have some of the original on which you felt good, try
taking that at a higher dose and see if you get die-off symptoms.


~^^V^^~


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Re: CS>Re: MSM

1999-06-17 Thread T
Edith,
   Thanks, I put my question to him.
   Kass
-Original Message-
From: ejohns9...@aol.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: MSM


>In a message dated 6/16/99 4:37:28 PM Central Daylight Time, sho...@up.net
>writes:
>
><< Hi Sharon,
>I have breast cancer, and I know I have a large feeder blood vessel
mass
> feeding the tumor.  I take MSM, now I'm wondering if I should stop.  Do
you
> think taking MSM is increasing the blood flow and food chain to the tumor?
>Kass
>
>
> Wow, advising someone in this manner is quite a bit beyond me. I was only
> telling you some of the gist of what I've read in The Miracle of MSM book.
> I can see your concern however. I don't know what all you're doing
> regarding the cancer situation. I suppose that as far as feeding the tumor
> it would depend on what is going through your system feeding the darn
> thing. If you're taking CS then if it were me I think I'd be checking into
> the CS for cancer talk I've heard about here and there. I am myself
> wondering how much benefit there really is in taking CS for cancer. There
> are 2 people in my life currently fighting cancer and I would like to
> encourage them to try it but I don't know enough about it so I'm pretty
> reluctant. I don't want to give them false hope. I assume because you're
on
> the silver list that you are either taking CS or are curious about it.
>
> Kass, I think a lot has to do with your diet, your supplements, if any,
> what you think is the current state of your immune system, what type of
> medical procedures you're undergoing, if any, and what you're doing in the
> alternative world of therapies, if any. All these things would determine
> what is feeding that tumor.
>
> Helping someone with cancer scares me, to be quite frank. I think if
> someone has had it with doctors and the medical profession in general and
> insists on going the alternative route, and therefore needs suggestions
and
> advice, the best I could do would be to tell what I THINK I would do in
the
> same situation. Only thing is, that a person can't really be sure what
they
> would do until they're faced with it. Also, and I think this is the most
> important point of all, EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. Each of us has to find
their
> own way.
>
> Boy, I sure am not trying to put you off. I feel deeply for what you're
> going through. I don't mean to discourage you but just so you'll know why
I
> feel so for your situation is that my own mother died of breast cancer at
> the age of 35. I was 14 at the time and I became her caretaker. However,
> much has been discovered since 1956, not so much in the medical world but
> in the alternative realm. I have read that there are no incurable
diseases.
> I firmly believe that!
>
> Sometimes it helps to have someone to bounce ideas off of. Another may be
> able to ask questions that hadn't occurred to you or to make suggestions
> that turn out to be helpful. As long as you fully realize the difference
> between ideas/suggestions and advice. Be careful of anyone giving you
> advice unless you totally trust that person and feel that they know what
> they're doing.
>
> Keep your eyes and ears open, don't automatically discard unfamiliar
ideas,
> listen, talk, read, and consider it all. Then make up your own mind. I
know
> I haven't been of much help to you and I've run on and on but I don't know
> where your head is at on this at all. Maybe if you tell us more about your
> situation it would help. If you have questions or answers regarding the
> application of colloidal silver in your situation, then it would be of
> interest to all of us. But I suppose if it gets too far off the silver
> topic, it might be best if you were to privately e-mail your messages.
What
> do you think? And all you other fine people out there, do you have
anything
> to add for this woman going through this?
>
> Wishing you the very best,
>
> Sharon <
>
>
>
> Kass,
>
>This man is a ND.  He gave a friend great advice  in treating her breast
>cancer.  Both MSM and CS were in the protocol.  You may want to
contact.him.
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Re: CS>Re: MSM

1999-06-17 Thread T
Vilik,
   Every time I take the stuff, it comes right back up.
I 've heard that they are doing studies with a drug that cuts off the
blood supply, but I can't seem to find any info on it.  Anyone else hear
about this?
Kass
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From: Vilik Rapheles 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: MSM


>At 01:51 PM 6/16/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi Sharon,
>>   I have breast cancer, and I know I have a large feeder blood vessel
mass
>>feeding the tumor.  I take MSM, now I'm wondering if I should stop.  Do
you
>>think taking MSM is increasing the blood flow and food chain to the tumor?
>>   Kass
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Re: CS>Re: MSM

1999-06-17 Thread T
Hi Sharon,
   Thanks for your support.
   I've been treating my cancer for 7 years with alternative treatments.
Just recently started CS.  I'm going to get the book you mentioned.
   I think it is always helpful to hear what others have to say.  We all are
different and have different experiences.  Learning of others experiences
broadens my own.
   Thanks for your thoughts,
 Kass
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From: Sharon L. House 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 2:35 PM
Subject: CS>Re: MSM


>Hi Sharon,
>   I have breast cancer, and I know I have a large feeder blood vessel mass
>feeding the tumor.  I take MSM, now I'm wondering if I should stop.  Do you
>think taking MSM is increasing the blood flow and food chain to the tumor?
>   Kass
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>Wow, advising someone in this manner is quite a bit beyond me. I was only
>telling you some of the gist of what I've read in The Miracle of MSM book.
>I can see your concern however. I don't know what all you're doing
>regarding the cancer situation. I suppose that as far as feeding the tumor
>it would depend on what is going through your system feeding the darn
>thing. If you're taking CS then if it were me I think I'd be checking into
>the CS for cancer talk I've heard about here and there. I am myself
>wondering how much benefit there really is in taking CS for cancer. There
>are 2 people in my life currently fighting cancer and I would like to
>encourage them to try it but I don't know enough about it so I'm pretty
>reluctant. I don't want to give them false hope. I assume because you're on
>the silver list that you are either taking CS or are curious about it.
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>Kass, I think a lot has to do with your diet, your supplements, if any,
>what you think is the current state of your immune system, what type of
>medical procedures you're undergoing, if any, and what you're doing in the
>alternative world of therapies, if any. All these things would determine
>what is feeding that tumor.
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>Helping someone with cancer scares me, to be quite frank. I think if
>someone has had it with doctors and the medical profession in general and
>insists on going the alternative route, and therefore needs suggestions and
>advice, the best I could do would be to tell what I THINK I would do in the
>same situation. Only thing is, that a person can't really be sure what they
>would do until they're faced with it. Also, and I think this is the most
>important point of all, EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. Each of us has to find their
>own way.
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>Boy, I sure am not trying to put you off. I feel deeply for what you're
>going through. I don't mean to discourage you but just so you'll know why I
>feel so for your situation is that my own mother died of breast cancer at
>the age of 35. I was 14 at the time and I became her caretaker. However,
>much has been discovered since 1956, not so much in the medical world but
>in the alternative realm. I have read that there are no incurable diseases.
>I firmly believe that!
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>Sometimes it helps to have someone to bounce ideas off of. Another may be
>able to ask questions that hadn't occurred to you or to make suggestions
>that turn out to be helpful. As long as you fully realize the difference
>between ideas/suggestions and advice. Be careful of anyone giving you
>advice unless you totally trust that person and feel that they know what
>they're doing.
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>Keep your eyes and ears open, don't automatically discard unfamiliar ideas,
>listen, talk, read, and consider it all. Then make up your own mind. I know
>I haven't been of much help to you and I've run on and on but I don't know
>where your head is at on this at all. Maybe if you tell us more about your
>situation it would help. If you have questions or answers regarding the
>application of colloidal silver in your situation, then it would be of
>interest to all of us. But I suppose if it gets too far off the silver
>topic, it might be best if you were to privately e-mail your messages. What
>do you think? And all you other fine people out there, do you have anything
>to add for this woman going through this?
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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Marsha Hallett



Our tests have indicated that 5 ppm is optimum for killing pathogens 
orally.  10 is also good for topical. 
Marshall 

Did you try this on Lyme?? I had to use 30 PPM before I got well. (LVDC)

Marsha



Re: CS and Anxiety REPLY

1999-06-17 Thread jani
Hi
Ever thought of using a CPAP machine? It is for sleep apnea.  I never got to
Rem before I got the machine and now I always do.
Just a thought.
Hugs, Jani


-Original Message-
From: Vilik Rapheles 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 10:41 AM
Subject: CS and Anxiety


>At 07:51 PM 6/15/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>Ok Guys,
>>   Tell me again about this mental herx you're talking about.  I've been
>>doing the WaterOz silver for 5 days now, and just realized how depressed
I'm
>>becoming.  Also troubles concentrating and remembering things.  I've got
the
>>joint pain on and off, a little tired too...I expected that.  I didn't
>>notice how anxious I was until I found myself taking a tranquilizer this
>>afternoon.  I only ever take one to help keep me in REM sleep.  Lyme left
me
>>unable to maintain REM, Atavan gets me there and keeps me there for a few
>>hrs.  Is this anxiety normal?
>>Kass
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>Hi Kass,
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>part of the process for some of us. If I remember correctly you are taking
>a fairly high dose...you might cut down. I decided I had to. The turtle
>gets there too, ya know...
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>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: CS is helping!!!
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>>>  That is great to hear.  I am so happy for you.  Keep it up you are on
the
>>>right road.  I know what you mean about the mental herx, brutal isn't it.
>>>Thanks for the good news, glad to hear it.
>>>Donna
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CS> Questions about CS from my dad

1999-06-17 Thread Sinaj101

Dear List, I talked to my father about making CS and he wants to but he has a 
few questions and I am not familiar with this well enough to answer them.  I 
know a lot of you out there are though.  Can you please give me an answer to 
his questions so I can send them on to him.  He goes camping a lot and wants 
to be able to make his CS while on vacation without the 9 volt batteries.  
Thanks for all your help, Janis


Hi Jan,   I've been doing some wondering. If a Lab. Tech.
used a 12 Volt Battery on a Car and used a little bit
larger lead wires and put the wires a 1/2" apart instead of 1" apart, 
possible it would do the same thing and a
person would always have a full charged battery to use
and not have to fool with the little 9 volt batteries that may
be 1/2 run down.  A person could drill holes 1", 3/4, 1/2 and
1/4 and experiment to where he had a few bubbles or a
little activity working on the silver. That would be so
handy to do around a Camper or Truck. If it was 7 or 8ppm
how much would be a daily dose. Would 2 tablespoons
full be enough to maybe remove warts and also give the
body his daily needs or should it be maybe 3 tble spoons
full per day. I know it would be a guess, so a person
might have to experiment a little with it and see if he could
tell some difference,   I guess.   WHAT DO YOU THINK
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Re: CS 5ppm vs 20 ppm

1999-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
Our tests have indicated that 5 ppm is optimum for killing pathogens
orally.  10 is also good for topical.

Marshall

Michael Giammarino wrote:

>  started using store purchased 5 ppm CS. worked great for stomach
> bacteria and allergy symtoms. started making my own with a cs pro kit.
> 20 ppm, should be better, but I do not feel as good using it. its
> clear while the first was a light yellow. I had a lot of energy on the
> 5 ppm and now i feel not so good on the 20 ppm. less energy, sore top
> of mouth, tired, irritable. any idea's thanks mike




Re: CS>aloe and colloidal silver

1999-06-17 Thread Sharon L. House
>in answer to the ladies question about a cream.  I hope the following
>may give her some  idea. I get the BIG leaves of aloe cut the spikes of
>with a potato peeler.slice  the whole leaf,green outside and all in  about
>1/16 slices.(8 lbs. at a time)..  dry in a home style drying cabinet. when
>dry grind in a coffee grinder to a fine  powder. I then use this in two
>ways. I fill the gel capsules size 200 and take 4  every day. for wounds,
>cuts etc I mix enough powdered aloe and colloidal silver  to make a paste,
>put this on a piece of cloth on the wound, my mate (buddy in  American) 80
>years old had a heart bypass, picked up the hospital special  'golden
>Staph in the back of his legs where they had taken the veins out. they
>discharged him telling him that they could not help. we made a concoction
>up put  in on his legs, we then wrapped his legs with 'cling wrap' ( bush
>doctor  procedure) in for days it had gone. PLEASE PREPARE YOURSELF FOR A
>BIG BELLY  LAUGH. His doctor told him that some people do have instant
>remission. I hope this will help   csilver


That's MARVELOUS, Keith! Very innovative!

Sharon



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Re: CS>Re: MSM

1999-06-17 Thread Inga34
what is emu oil good for?


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