CSRe: weak medicine revisited
The Canadian Gov. silver site: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/epd/cpr/criteria/awqcfs.html states basically that solver ions are 300 times more effective then silver chloride (if you salt water) and 15,000 times more effective then silver sulphide. The chance of using water with sulphide in it is small but the point is that other silver compounds may be just as non-effective! As I always stress, you must know what you start with, to get an effective form of silver for delivery to your body. snipsilver is one of the most toxic of the heavy metals to freshwater micro-organisms. snip The effect of speciation on the acute and chronic toxicity of silver was compared using the fathead minnow as the test organism. Silver sulfide, silver thiosulfate and silver chloride were compared to the silver ion, added as silver nitrate. The tests were flow-through in soft water at 25°C. Silver chloride was found to be 300 times less toxic, silver sulfide was 15,000 times less toxic, and silver thiosulfate was 17,500 times less toxic than silver nitrate. Most existing silver criteria, objectives or regulated amounts are not based on the free ionic monovalent ion, which is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Instead they are based on total silver which includes the metal, complexes and precipitates, all of which are very much less toxic than the monovalent ion. /snip f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
She has apparently deleted her AOL account; which means several things 1) she is not okay very angry 2) she was an impostor (from the FDA or something) just looking for trouble 3) she is okay but too embarrassed to show back up 4) here under another name lurking . . . . just some thoughts, jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
Tut,tut, Could be the AOL 30 day free offer ran out. Became dissatisfied with AOL restrictions or complexity. Got what she needed and moved on. Be kind, it's the season! Chuck Reality is a crutch for those who can't handle the paranormal. On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:33:21 EST, deat...@aol.com wrote: She has apparently deleted her AOL account; which means several things 1) she is not okay very angry 2) she was an impostor (from the FDA or something) just looking for trouble 3) she is okay but too embarrassed to show back up 4) here under another name lurking . . . . just some thoughts, jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: weak medicine revisited
Hi Fred, I'm glad you find the article interesting. I agree with you that Colloidal Silver should be pure silver ionic particles, if only for stability, but as the article states in a preceding paragraph: 'The relative proportion of the free silver+ ion to the total silver content in the oceans is a function of the salinity. In the ocean, most of the silver at any one time is present as chloride complexes; of these complexes only the mono-chloro complex silver chloride is biologically available. At a salinity of 25 parts per thousand, which is almost the natural concentration in the sea, only about 1 part in 16,000 parts of the silver would exist as the free ion.' As the stomach and blood carry similar amounts of chlorine ions, as seawater, I presume similar amounts of silver chloride and free ions to exist. I guess that if the silver remain as colloids, that the complexes will be some what different, and I have posted an abstract that shows that colloids have different actions on cells than silver salts, but I suspect this was done in the test tube and perhaps does not reflect what happens in the body. So while the results of the quoted tests show that the silver ion has the greatest toxicity to small organisms, I don't think that it can be assumed that it is the silver ion which is bio-active in the body. Regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: Fred f...@health2us.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 23 December 1999 22:04 Subject: CSRe: weak medicine revisited The Canadian Gov. silver site: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/epd/cpr/criteria/awqcfs.html states basically that solver ions are 300 times more effective then silver chloride (if you salt water) and 15,000 times more effective then silver sulphide. The chance of using water with sulphide in it is small but the point is that other silver compounds may be just as non-effective! As I always stress, you must know what you start with, to get an effective form of silver for delivery to your body. snipsilver is one of the most toxic of the heavy metals to freshwater micro-organisms. snip The effect of speciation on the acute and chronic toxicity of silver was compared using the fathead minnow as the test organism. Silver sulfide, silver thiosulfate and silver chloride were compared to the silver ion, added as silver nitrate. The tests were flow-through in soft water at 25°C. Silver chloride was found to be 300 times less toxic, silver sulfide was 15,000 times less toxic, and silver thiosulfate was 17,500 times less toxic than silver nitrate. Most existing silver criteria, objectives or regulated amounts are not based on the free ionic monovalent ion, which is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Instead they are based on total silver which includes the metal, complexes and precipitates, all of which are very much less toxic than the monovalent ion. /snip f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
Jeannine wrote: [Donna] has apparently deleted her AOL account; which means several things 1) she is not okay very angry She has had a *very* big scare. Few of us would have been any less upset. 2) she was an impostor (from the FDA or something) just looking for trouble She's been with us more than long enough to lay this sort of suspicion to rest entirely. smile (She was away for a spell that might have given some of you the impression she was fairly new to the list. She's been here almost as long as I have.) 3) she is okay but too embarrassed to show back up Thankfully, she seems to be okay. Doctors one and two said she had argyria. A third said ... no. Go figure. None of these diagnoses was confirmed by biopsy or other test. She has regained her normal color, but now has to deal with the question of what *did* happen, and, I imagine, lurking suspicions of what it *still* could have been. 4) here under another name lurking . . . . That would be nice to hope. I wouldn't blame her for feeling reluctant to dive back in. just some thoughts, There are some valuable insights to be gained from this experience. I have to say more about it all, but I will have to deal with a couple of issues before I post my comments. I've been too busy to give it the attention it deserves. We're getting ready to tear apart the kitchen... Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSRe: weak medicine revisited
Silver is not a heavy metal; it is a noble metal. If memory serves---check a reference to be sure; I am pressed for time---the heavies start at atomic weight 200. Silver is about 147. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Fred [SMTP:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 2:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSRe: weak medicine revisited The Canadian Gov. silver site: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/epd/cpr/criteria/awqcfs.html states basically that solver ions are 300 times more effective then silver chloride (if you salt water) and 15,000 times more effective then silver sulphide. The chance of using water with sulphide in it is small but the point is that other silver compounds may be just as non-effective! As I always stress, you must know what you start with, to get an effective form of silver for delivery to your body. snipsilver is one of the most toxic of the heavy metals to freshwater micro-organisms. snip The effect of speciation on the acute and chronic toxicity of silver was compared using the fathead minnow as the test organism. Silver sulfide, silver thiosulfate and silver chloride were compared to the silver ion, added as silver nitrate. The tests were flow-through in soft water at 25?C. Silver chloride was found to be 300 times less toxic, silver sulfide was 15,000 times less toxic, and silver thiosulfate was 17,500 times less toxic than silver nitrate. Most existing silver criteria, objectives or regulated amounts are not based on the free ionic monovalent ion, which is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Instead they are based on total silver which includes the metal, complexes and precipitates, all of which are very much less toxic than the monovalent ion. /snip f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: weak medicine revisited
Popularly known as a noble metal, chemically it is known as a transition metal. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Silver is not a heavy metal; it is a noble metal. If memory serves---check a reference to be sure; I am pressed for time---the heavies start at atomic weight 200. Silver is about 147. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Fred [SMTP:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 2:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSRe: weak medicine revisited The Canadian Gov. silver site: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/epd/cpr/criteria/awqcfs.html states basically that solver ions are 300 times more effective then silver chloride (if you salt water) and 15,000 times more effective then silver sulphide. The chance of using water with sulphide in it is small but the point is that other silver compounds may be just as non-effective! As I always stress, you must know what you start with, to get an effective form of silver for delivery to your body. snipsilver is one of the most toxic of the heavy metals to freshwater micro-organisms. snip The effect of speciation on the acute and chronic toxicity of silver was compared using the fathead minnow as the test organism. Silver sulfide, silver thiosulfate and silver chloride were compared to the silver ion, added as silver nitrate. The tests were flow-through in soft water at 25?C. Silver chloride was found to be 300 times less toxic, silver sulfide was 15,000 times less toxic, and silver thiosulfate was 17,500 times less toxic than silver nitrate. Most existing silver criteria, objectives or regulated amounts are not based on the free ionic monovalent ion, which is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Instead they are based on total silver which includes the metal, complexes and precipitates, all of which are very much less toxic than the monovalent ion. /snip f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
Can we surmise that her case was DEFINITELY not Agyria? Afterall, the requirement of permanent colorization was not met. Right? jd -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 23, 1999 3:52 AM Subject: Re: CSdonna OK gone bye bye Tut,tut, Could be the AOL 30 day free offer ran out. Became dissatisfied with AOL restrictions or complexity. Got what she needed and moved on. Be kind, it's the season! Chuck Reality is a crutch for those who can't handle the paranormal. On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:33:21 EST, deat...@aol.com wrote: She has apparently deleted her AOL account; which means several things 1) she is not okay very angry 2) she was an impostor (from the FDA or something) just looking for trouble 3) she is okay but too embarrassed to show back up 4) here under another name lurking . . . . just some thoughts, jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
If I recall correctly, only SHE could see any discoloration. Her husband and son could not perceive it. So the problem was miniscule if it existed at all. It makes me think there was no problem except anxiety. Nutritional Intelligence Cooperative of North America wrote: Can we surmise that her case was DEFINITELY not Agyria? Afterall, the requirement of permanent colorization was not met. Right? jd -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 23, 1999 3:52 AM Subject: Re: CSdonna OK gone bye bye Tut,tut, Could be the AOL 30 day free offer ran out. Became dissatisfied with AOL restrictions or complexity. Got what she needed and moved on. Be kind, it's the season! Chuck Reality is a crutch for those who can't handle the paranormal. On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:33:21 EST, deat...@aol.com wrote: She has apparently deleted her AOL account; which means several things 1) she is not okay very angry 2) she was an impostor (from the FDA or something) just looking for trouble 3) she is okay but too embarrassed to show back up 4) here under another name lurking . . . . just some thoughts, jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: CSRe: weak medicine revisited
Silver is not a heavy metal. It is a transition metal. Dennis Lipter Fred wrote: snipsilver is one of the most toxic of the heavy metals to freshwater micro-organisms. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: weak medicine revisited
Considering that they called silver a heavy metal, I would not put much credance in any of the rest of it. Obviously they have not done proper research. Marshall Fred wrote: The Canadian Gov. silver site: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/epd/cpr/criteria/awqcfs.html states basically that solver ions are 300 times more effective then silver chloride (if you salt water) and 15,000 times more effective then silver sulphide. The chance of using water with sulphide in it is small but the point is that other silver compounds may be just as non-effective! As I always stress, you must know what you start with, to get an effective form of silver for delivery to your body. snipsilver is one of the most toxic of the heavy metals to freshwater micro-organisms. snip The effect of speciation on the acute and chronic toxicity of silver was compared using the fathead minnow as the test organism. Silver sulfide, silver thiosulfate and silver chloride were compared to the silver ion, added as silver nitrate. The tests were flow-through in soft water at 25°C. Silver chloride was found to be 300 times less toxic, silver sulfide was 15,000 times less toxic, and silver thiosulfate was 17,500 times less toxic than silver nitrate. Most existing silver criteria, objectives or regulated amounts are not based on the free ionic monovalent ion, which is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Instead they are based on total silver which includes the metal, complexes and precipitates, all of which are very much less toxic than the monovalent ion. /snip f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSdonna - mike response thanks
Mike: I wonder why out of 3 doctors - none of them did a biopsy? wow, I find that interesting. I find it expensive for one . . . and to be selfish - it would have really helped all of us to have known which way it went . . . . my suspicision is that if her normal color has returned (and I'm no expert) but it seems from everything I've read that agryia is a permanent condition - so I personally doubt the CS caused it. . . . (in other words her color wouldn't have reversed itself) yes scary but then I've had cancer twice in life and never taken an ounce of chemo and lived long enough to be a pest to you guys . . . Happy holidays, Jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: weak medicine revisited
Transition metal is a chemically correct term, due to silver's position in the periodic table. Heavy metal is to my knowledge a meaningless term chemically and is best reserved for Metallica, Megadeth, Black Sabbath, etc. -Original Message- From: Dennis Lipter dlip...@accesshub.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 23, 1999 10:43 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: weak medicine revisited Silver is not a heavy metal. It is a transition metal. Dennis Lipter Fred wrote: snipsilver is one of the most toxic of the heavy metals to freshwater micro-organisms. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
In a message dated 12/23/99 12:47:15 PM Central Standard Time, vi...@peak.org writes: At 09:36 AM 12/23/99 -0800, you wrote: If I recall correctly, only SHE could see any discoloration. Her husband and son could not perceive it. So the problem was miniscule if it existed at all. It makes me think there was no problem except anxiety. Except that apparently two doctors saw it... ~^^V^^~ ~`` I've unsubscribed awhile back to all lists that received much so we could go on vacation and not feel overwhelmed by the volume of mail to sort through upon return it. I must have missed the mails where she saw 2 doctors. What did they tell her? Thanks, Edith -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
At 09:36 AM 12/23/99 -0800, you wrote: If I recall correctly, only SHE could see any discoloration. Her husband and son could not perceive it. So the problem was miniscule if it existed at all. It makes me think there was no problem except anxiety. Except that apparently two doctors saw it... ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: weak medicine revisited
Marshall wrote: Considering that they called silver a heavy metal, I would not put much credance in any of the rest of it. Obviously they have not done proper research. Research into what? Whether silver is a heavy metal or not? Would you ignore the message because the messenger calls his donkey a horse, or fill in the ditch because the ditch digger calls his shovel a spade? The researchers are looking at silver as a water pollutant and toxic metal to water creatures, and so choose toxic metal terminology. In fact they conclude that while the toxicity of silver is high to marine micro-organisms, it is low to marine creatures, and very low to vertebrates. The main interest in this report, to my mind, is the actions of silver in the body and the olgliodynamics it displays. This is a very good report, as it does not have an agenda to follow. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 24 December 1999 06:48 Subject: Re: CSRe: weak medicine revisited Considering that they called silver a heavy metal, I would not put much credance in any of the rest of it. Obviously they have not done proper research. Marshall Fred wrote: -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
Thankfully, she seems to be okay. Doctors one and two said she had argyria. A third said ... no. Go figure. None of these diagnoses was confirmed by biopsy or other test. She has regained her normal color, but now has to deal with the question of what *did* happen, and, I imagine, lurking suspicions of what it *still* could have been. From what I had read, she really hadn't done enough colloidal silver to contract argyria. It's nice to see my suspicion confirmed by her return to normal color. I am also thankful that two more of the medical profession have proven that they are idiots :) I am still curious as well as to what caused her temporary condition, and I eagerly await for further details. Yours in health, James Allison Allisons Apothecary http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $29.95 Colloidal Silver Generator -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS[Fwd: Keep a good thought]
---BeginMessage--- Hi dear friends! Happy Holidays The story goes that some time ago, a man punished his 3-year-old daughter for wasting a roll of gold wrapping paper. Money was tight and he became infuriated when the child tried to decorate a box to put under the Christmas tree. Nevertheless, the little girl brought the gift to her father the next morning and said, This is for you, Daddy. He was embarrassed by his earlier overreaction, but his anger flared again when he found the box was empty. He yelled at her, Don't you know when you give someone a present, there's supposed to be something inside it? The little girl looked up at him with tears in her eyes and said, Oh,Daddy, it's not empty, I blew kisses into the box. All for you, Daddy. The father was crushed. He put his arms around his little girl, and he begged for her forgiveness. It is told that the man kept that gold box by his bed for years and whenever he was discouraged, he would take out an imaginary kiss and remember the love of the child who had put it there. In a very real sense, each of us as humans, have been given a gold container filled with unconditional love and kisses from our children, friends, family or God. There is no more precious possession anyone could hold. You now have two choices, you can: 1) Pass this on to your friends; or 2) Delete it and act like it didn't touch your heart. As you can see, I took choice number 1 Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly. ---End Message---
Re: CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
Query: Would the two doctors have seen it if it had not been suggested by the patient? Analysis: Due to the conflict of interest (CS is a competing therapeutic) it's no wonder there was no biopsy. They did not want to be proven wrong. The 3rd doctor had no reason to biopsy something that lacked prima facie evidence of its existence. I personally think running to doctors for their opinion is a waste of time and money, and a major threat to one's health. Consider that adverse reactions to prescription drugs is the #3 cause of death, iatrogenic disease is the #2 reason for a hospital visit, and medical mistakes is the #5 cause of death..., well let's just say I follow the advice of the words of Robert Mendelsohn (sp?) M.D. : The best thing a doctor can do for his patient is to go out of business. jd -Original Message- From: Vilik Rapheles vi...@peak.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 23, 1999 12:56 PM Subject: Re: CSdonna OK gone bye bye At 09:36 AM 12/23/99 -0800, you wrote: If I recall correctly, only SHE could see any discoloration. Her husband and son could not perceive it. So the problem was miniscule if it existed at all. It makes me think there was no problem except anxiety. Except that apparently two doctors saw it... ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
RE: CSRe: weak medicine revisited
Can you tell us a bit more? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 9:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSRe: weak medicine revisited Popularly known as a noble metal, chemically it is known as a transition metal. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Silver is not a heavy metal; it is a noble metal. If memory serves---check a reference to be sure; I am pressed for time---the heavies start at atomic weight 200. Silver is about 147. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Fred [SMTP:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 2:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSRe: weak medicine revisited The Canadian Gov. silver site: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/epd/cpr/criteria/awqcfs.html states basically that solver ions are 300 times more effective then silver chloride (if you salt water) and 15,000 times more effective then silver sulphide. The chance of using water with sulphide in it is small but the point is that other silver compounds may be just as non-effective! As I always stress, you must know what you start with, to get an effective form of silver for delivery to your body. snipsilver is one of the most toxic of the heavy metals to freshwater micro-organisms. snip The effect of speciation on the acute and chronic toxicity of silver was compared using the fathead minnow as the test organism. Silver sulfide, silver thiosulfate and silver chloride were compared to the silver ion, added as silver nitrate. The tests were flow-through in soft water at 25?C. Silver chloride was found to be 300 times less toxic, silver sulfide was 15,000 times less toxic, and silver thiosulfate was 17,500 times less toxic than silver nitrate. Most existing silver criteria, objectives or regulated amounts are not based on the free ionic monovalent ion, which is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Instead they are based on total silver which includes the metal, complexes and precipitates, all of which are very much less toxic than the monovalent ion. /snip f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSdonna - mike response thanks
Did she not say that only she perceived a gray color to her skin? That neither husband nor son could see the gray, only she herself? So not only did she not have argyria, but was probably was only overly anxious. deat...@aol.com wrote: Mike: I wonder why out of 3 doctors - none of them did a biopsy? wow, I find that interesting. I find it expensive for one . . . and to be selfish - it would have really helped all of us to have known which way it went . . . . my suspicision is that if her normal color has returned (and I'm no expert) but it seems from everything I've read that agryia is a permanent condition - so I personally doubt the CS caused it. . . . (in other words her color wouldn't have reversed itself) yes scary but then I've had cancer twice in life and never taken an ounce of chemo and lived long enough to be a pest to you guys . . . Happy holidays, Jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSinteresting experiment from http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/bass/mice.html
Subject: [instinctive-eating] interesting experiment from http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/bass/mice.html The ideal diet consists of the foods listed - approximately 75-85% raw foods with 15-25% cooked, to be eaten in correct sequential order. I still worry about people who attempt to be fruitarians. Excerpts from In Search of the Ultimate Diet Volume I Advantages of working with mice Primitive races and diet Mice and the fruitarian diet Deficiencies from fruitarian diet The 100% raw vegetarian diet The ideal diet With no grains - mice always hungry The essentials in diet Supplements Overview The following materials represent a four-year project I undertook to answer fundamental questions about nutrition, questions such as what is the best diet for humans? Which is most conducive to maximum life span, health, happiness, and freedom from disease? Can it be a diet which includes meats? Seafood? Ovo-lacto-vegetarian? Macrobiotics? Vegan? Raw foods? Natural Hygiene? Fruitarian? What are the best aspects of each system? How much of each should we make use of? . Even though I have been a practitioner in nutritional health for well over forty years, I undertook this research in the early 1980's because I had many unanswered questions about which is correct among the many conflicting theories that make up the field of natural health, conflicts that can be extensive and overwhelming. . I wondered how long I would have to wait to discover relevant information. I felt it could easily take another hundred years. I felt so frustrated that I started to think about setting up my own mouse trials. Even though I am an animal lover I knew I could work with mice because I saw no need to harm them. I would give each trial group one of the various diets followed by many health seekers. I saw no need to destroy and dissect the members of the different test groups to monitor results. Observation of appearance, behavior, fertility, growth of offspring and longevity would be my indicators of success, if only I could set up the studies - a daunting prospect for a sole, unfunded researcher. Decades later in September of 1983, I obtained the necessary equipment and a group of ten mice . The final push to get me into a pet store . The man never forgave the doctors who had amputated his first leg. He felt he could have saved the leg if the doctors had known about fasting. He could have avoided being crippled for life, not to speak of the daily pain involved in walking around with an artificial leg. Trying to get him off fruitarianism was not easy. I was dealing with dedication of monstrous proportions. . Now, how do most people work out their theories and approaches to diet? From books. If the book is in error, like the old joke says, Nice fellow, he died of a misprint, you know. It can happen, easily. We need broad studies on vegetarianism, all the different types of vegetarianism. . once again I regretted the lack of dietary tests on mice. Some solid information from dietary tests on mice in fruitarianism could have provided me with the hard evidence I needed to persuade the members of the dangers of the practice. This debate on fruitarianism was the final push that got me into a pet store to inquire about getting mice to study. Setting up research .. The bill came to around $150. All the store had was ten mice, so I bought them and outfitted a few cages. That's how I got started. I decided to begin the mice on my diet. I felt it was a wholesome diet that should build up strength and number - a diet including fruits, nuts, raw and cooked vegetables, grains, legumes, and a small amount of cheese and eggs. I was correct. The mice thrived and reproduced. I bought more cages. Before long, I had over 100 mice. I kept them on my diet for six months. They kept growing and reproducing by leaps and bounds. Before I knew it, I had seven cages, each with around forty-five mice - weIl over 300 mice in six months. I was ready to begin testing diets. Advantages of working with mice Why are mice experiments so good? Well, as the medical man who headed the Longevity Research Institute in California, Dr. Roy Walford, neatly observes in his book Maximum Life Span: If mice cannot live on a diet, you can be sure humans can't. Dr. Walford explains that the metabolism of mice is close to humans. As warm-blooded animals, mice suckle their young. They require much the same minerals, vitamins, enzymes, proteins, and carbohydrates that we do. Mice need just a little less food that we do for their size, and their life span is proportionate, a ratio of 30 to 1, thirty days of human life to one day of a mouse. A mouse will live two, two and a half; sometimes three years compared to our life span of 75 to 90 years. . Of course, there are some minor differences. Mice can manufacture their own vitamin C. We must get it all from food. Also, mice require a little more protein proportionately. But mice have been
Re: CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
I had missed that about 2 doctors seeing it. Vilik Rapheles wrote: At 09:36 AM 12/23/99 -0800, you wrote: If I recall correctly, only SHE could see any discoloration. Her husband and son could not perceive it. So the problem was miniscule if it existed at all. It makes me think there was no problem except anxiety. Except that apparently two doctors saw it... ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSdonna OK???? gone bye bye
Methaemoglobinaemia can be due to chronic taking of drugs like phenacetin and to lack of an enzyme called methaemoglobin reductase. Apart from a bluish discolouration of the skin [cyanosis] in those patients with about 20 % methaemo- globin, these patients are well. People over 50 always have some methaemoglobin in their blood. The cyanotic tinge may be modified by a concomitant dermatosis. This complicates the differential diagnosis of the colouration of argyria. With regards Lew Henry Reed wrote: If I recall correctly, only SHE could see any discoloration. Her husband and son could not perceive it. So the problem was miniscule if it existed at all. It makes me think there was no problem except anxiety. Nutritional Intelligence Cooperative of North America wrote: Can we surmise that her case was DEFINITELY not Agyria? Afterall, the requirement of permanent colorization was not met. Right? jd -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 23, 1999 3:52 AM Subject: Re: CSdonna OK gone bye bye Tut,tut, Could be the AOL 30 day free offer ran out. Became dissatisfied with AOL restrictions or complexity. Got what she needed and moved on. Be kind, it's the season! Chuck Reality is a crutch for those who can't handle the paranormal. On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:33:21 EST, deat...@aol.com wrote: She has apparently deleted her AOL account; which means several things 1) she is not okay very angry 2) she was an impostor (from the FDA or something) just looking for trouble 3) she is okay but too embarrassed to show back up 4) here under another name lurking . . . . just some thoughts, jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: CSRe: weak medicine revisited
Thanks Ivan for the defence, I was beginning to think the group cared nothing about helpful information, just something to pick at! I feel, as you do, that there was no bias and thus they did not speak with a forked tongue, as most government agencies do! My concern is for humanity, not semantics, and I felt some very relevent data was presented for the silver list members! f...@health2us.com - Marshall wrote: Considering that they called silver a heavy metal, I would not put much credance in any of the rest of it. Obviously they have not done proper research. Ivan wrote: Research into what? Whether silver is a heavy metal or not? Would you ignore the message because the messenger calls his donkey a horse, or fill in the ditch because the ditch digger calls his shovel a spade? The researchers are looking at silver as a water pollutant and toxic metal to water creatures, and so choose toxic metal terminology. In fact they conclude that while the toxicity of silver is high to marine micro-organisms, it is low to marine creatures, and very low to vertebrates. The main interest in this report, to my mind, is the actions of silver in the body and the olgliodynamics it displays. This is a very good report, as it does not have an agenda to follow. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
