date:20011020

> Hi there...you have to strain your cs with either a 1 micron
> filter...or you can use 5 unbleached coffee filters.  Robb

Greetings Jesse, Robb,

You can strain your CS if you like. The jury is out on whether any of 
the coffee filters easily available do you any good or if they just 
contaminate things.

However, it's generally not necessary to strain your CS if you manage 
not to knock any of the fluff off the electrodes and into the water.

Occasionally, some folks have just stirred the electrodes around, 
breaking off the fluffy deposits and turning their brew into a gray 
sludgy thing. *That* would need to be strained.

But if you carefully remove the electrodes and wipe them off any time 
you plan to stir, and at the end of the run, you can prevent any of 
the stuff from getting mixed in. Your CS will come out transparent and 
clean looking, except for whatever slight color it might take on due to 
particle size.

Hope that helps,

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Re: CS>Re: CS - Microdyn

CK ~

Dr. Torres has it at:  http://www.geocities.com/compu_dr/cinco/more.htm

Julie & Critters

> | Ole Bob ~
> |
> | Are you interested in testing this 3200 ppm Microdyn?  If the farmacia's
> | aren't sold out in Mexico, I'm thinking of making the 3 hour round trip
> | drive.
> |
> | Julie & Critters
> |
> | > Has the illustrious Ole Bob ever inspected Microdyn's PPM claims?I
> | > am keenly interested in this.  3200 ppm sounds so high . . .
> | >
> | > JBB
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CS>Tumors in dogs

2001-10-20 Thread Thelma Seto

I have had great success removing growths, like moles, with Super Blue-Green 
Algae from Cell Tech.  It removes toxins from the system (you need to 
consume enzymes--i.e. raw foods--and probiotics--i.e. yoghurt--while you're 
using it) and seems to give the immune system a jump-start.  It removed 
moles I've had for 30+ years in a couple days.  And another mole, the result 
of trying too many substances on a wretched case of poison ivy this summer, 
disappeared in three days.  I haven't tried it on anything that has had a 
cancerous growth because I haven't HAD an animal with cancer, probably 
because of their nutrition which included kelp before I discovered SBGA.  I 
think a lot of the diseases, both human and animal, that we're dealing with 
today are the result of an imbalance of minerals--or a variety of mineral 
deficiences--due to the depletion of the topsoil worldwide as well as our 
developing strains of seeds that have longer shelf-life than strains 
occurring in the wild which messes with the balance of nutrients.  Kibble is 
really bad for dogs, BTW.  They need a raw bones/raw meat diet with raw 
veggies and raw eggs and raw goat milk thrown in!


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CS>Re: Thomas Jefferson

2001-10-20 Thread Reid Harvey

CS Friends and Lovers,
How about we ALL stand up, thumb our noses and put this on the labels of
the little bottles:
FAILURE TO TAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH!
Reid
P.S. Another option: when you take the bottles to the vendors, some have
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Re: CS>Straining Colloidal Silver

2001-10-20 Thread Robb Allen

Hi there...you have to strain your cs with either a 1 micron filter...or 
you can use 5 unbleached coffee filters.  Robb

From: "robbie renfrow" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: CS>Straining Colloidal Silver
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:44:57 -0700

HI,
  I'm new to the group,and I have what to many may be a dumb question. 
When you make your own CS does it need to be strained? If so, what would 
you use to strain it with?  Thanks a million for any help you might be able 
to give me.

   Jesse

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CS>Straining Colloidal Silver

2001-10-20 Thread robbie renfrow

HI,
  I'm new to the group,and I have what to many may be a dumb question. When you 
make your own CS does it need to be strained? If so, what would you use to 
strain it with?  Thanks a million for any help you might be able to give me.
   Jesse

CS>Re: Microdyn, now: Thomas Jefferson

2001-10-20 Thread Reid Harvey

Bill,
Many thanks for your wonderful accounting of the use of Microdyn;
powerful witness.

This morning I'm putting a new label on our CS here, 'Thomas Jefferson
Colloidal Silver." Of course, I'm aware that TJ was a little short of
sainthood, but in times such as the ones we are now facing, when
patriotism is sorely needed, a number of his quotes provide inspiration.
Our new label here includes what I think should be an effective
testimony to the importance of CS, a reminder that, "We hold these
truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal. That they are
endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. That among
these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Another TJ quote was his motto, found on the inside of his signet ring.
Drug company, FDA types, and those who simply parrot what they have to
say, should take note of Jefferson's words, whether their mis-guided
discouragement of CS has been through complicity or as dupes. What
started out as drug company greed for money has now become treachery
against our country. (Could their crime be even more heinous than bin
Laden's?) As TJ's motto summed it up, "Rebellion against tyrants is
obedience to God."

Here in Bangladesh, context is to remember that Ghandi defeated the
British by getting his followers to make salt.
Reid, ready to descend the stump for a spell.


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CS>Re-Post of Uses for Colloidal Silver

2001-10-20 Thread Kehoe

This is a great post for newbies on the list.  It was posted a couple of
weeks ago, but since there are so many new people recently, I thought it
might be a good idea to post it again.  Maybe this should be posted
periodically (weekly?).
A FEW UNIQUE PLUS TRADITIONAL USES FOR COLLOIDAL  SILVER

 When you control a source of pennies-per-gallon
make-it-yourself high concentration Colloidal Silver
you can use it for hundreds of health improvement
applications. A few are suggested here.

 Add to suspected drinking water when traveling or
camping.
Silver-sprayed burns heal rapidly without
scarring.
Safely sterilize anything from toothbrushes
to surgical instruments.
Use topically on cuts, wounds, abrasions, rashes, sunburn, razor nicks and
bandages.
Spray on garbage to prevent decay odors.
Mist kitchen sponges, towels, cutting boards to
eliminate E. Coli and salmonella bacteria to prevent
food poisoning, gastrointestinal inflammation, and
genital tract infections.

Add when canning, preserving or bottling.
Use like peroxide on zits and acne.
Add to juices and milk to prevent spoiling, fermenting, deteriorating,
clabbering or curdling.
 Spray in shoes, between toes, between legs to stop most skin itch, athletes
foot, fungi, jock itch.
 Diminish dandruff, psoriasis, skin
rashes, etc.
Add to bath water, gargle, douches, colon irrigation, nasal spray and dental
water-pic solutions.
Cuts downtime dramatically from colds, flu,
pneumonia, staph, strep, respiratory infections and
rhino viruses.
Skin itch, eye and ear infections, warts and some moles vanish (put on
bandaid and wear overnight each night until gone).
Spray on body after bathing.
Use with Q-tips on fingernail, toenail, and
ear fungi.
Neutralize tooth decay and bad breath.
Silver stops halitosis by eliminating bacteria deep in
throat and on back of tongue.
Unlike pharmaceutical antibiotics, Colloidal Silver never permits
strain-resistant pathogens to evolve.

Put a on bandaids and bandages to shorten healing
times.
Health professionals might consider IV and IM
injections.
Tumor and polyp shrinking is reported when
masses are injected directly (when silver is added to
sterile physiological saline or Ringer's Solution that
contains 9000 ppm sodium chloride).
Toothaches, mouth sores, bacterial irritations are diminished.
Soak dentures.
 Spray refrigerator, freezer and food storage bin interiors.
Stop mildew and wood rot.
Mix in postage stamp, envelope, and tape moistening wells, paint and paste
pots to prevent bacterial growth,
odors, spoiling or souring.
 Add to water based paints, wallpaper paste, dishwater, cleaning and mopping
solutions, etc.
Spray pet bedding and let dry.

Spray on top of contents of opened jam, jelly, and
condiment containers and inside lids before replacing.
Mix a little in pet water, birdbaths, cut flower vases. Always add to swamp
cooler water.
Spray air conditioner filters after cleaning.
Swab air ducts and vents to prevent breeding sites for germs.
Use routinely in laundry final rinse water and always
before packing away seasonal clothes.
Damp clothes or towels and washcloths will not sour or mildew.
Eliminate unwanted microorganisms in planter soils and
 hydroponics systems.
Spray plant foliage to stop fungi, molds, rot, and most plant diseases.

 Treat pools, fountains, humidifiers, Jacuzzis, hot
tubs, baths, dishwashers, re-circulating cooling tower
water, gymnasium foot dips, and bath and shower mats.

Spray inside shoes, watch bands and gloves and under
fingernails periodically.
Treat shower stalls, tubs, fonts, animal watering troughs, shavers to avoid
trading germs.
Rinse fruit and vegetables before storing or using.
Put in cooking water.
Add to human and animal shampoos and they become disinfectants.
Prevent carpets, drapes and wallpaper from mildewing.
Wipe telephone mouthpieces, pipe stems, headphones,
hearing aids, eyeglass frames, hairbrushes, combs,
 loofas.
Excellent for diapers and diaper rash.
 Do  toilet seats, bowls, tile floors, sinks, urinals, door
knobs.
Kills persistent odors.
Rinse invalid's pillowcases, sheets, towels and bedclothes.

 There are literally thousands of other essential uses
 for this ridiculously inexpensive (if you make your
own), odorless, nearly tasteless and colorless,
totally benign and easily produced, powerful,
 non-toxic disinfectant and healing agent.
You'll find  that a spray or misting bottle of Colloidal Silver solution may
be the most useful health enhancement tool in your environment.

 Dosage:
 Some people, when first ingesting Colloidal Silver,
have the experience that is called the Herxheimer
effect.
This experience is a result of the silver very
efficiently killing off too many pathogens too fast
for the body to dispose of through the normal
eliminative organs.
This forces the body to utilize
the secondary eliminative organs: the lungs, sinuses
 and skin.
Sometimes a new Colloidal Silver user who
drinks a large quantity for the first time will
experience what feels like a cold

Re: CS>Re: CS - Microdyn

2001-10-20 Thread Bill

I have bought Colloidal Silver from the Herbal Healing Academy and found it
to be very good. It is said to be 500 ppm.  http://www.herbalhealer.com/

---Original Message---

From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, October 20, 2001 09:44:37 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:CS>Re: CS - Microdyn

Is there anyplace on the net to get this product?? I have found many sites
that refer to this product, but none that sells it.

CK
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS - Microdyn

| Ole Bob ~
|
| Are you interested in testing this 3200 ppm Microdyn? If the farmacia's
| aren't sold out in Mexico, I'm thinking of making the 3 hour round trip
| drive.
|
| Julie & Critters
|
| > Has the illustrious Ole Bob ever inspected Microdyn's PPM claims? I
| > am keenly interested in this. 3200 ppm sounds so high . . .
| >
| > JBB
|
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Re: CS>Mycrodyn

Bill: Thanks for the Mycodyn summary. How is it different from the home 
brewed CS? I'll be in Mexico City in early November. Where can I purchase it? 
Roger

Re: CS>Re: CS - Microdyn

2001-10-20 Thread Kehoe

Is there anyplace on the net to get this product??  I have found many sites
that refer to this product, but none that sells it.

CK
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From: "wolfcreek1" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS - Microdyn

| Ole Bob ~
|
| Are you interested in testing this 3200 ppm Microdyn?  If the farmacia's
| aren't sold out in Mexico, I'm thinking of making the 3 hour round trip
| drive.
|
| Julie & Critters
|
| > Has the illustrious Ole Bob ever inspected Microdyn's PPM claims?I
| > am keenly interested in this.  3200 ppm sounds so high . . .
| >
| > JBB
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Re: CS>Re: CS - Microdyn

Ole Bob ~

Are you interested in testing this 3200 ppm Microdyn?  If the farmacia's
aren't sold out in Mexico, I'm thinking of making the 3 hour round trip
drive.

Julie & Critters

> Has the illustrious Ole Bob ever inspected Microdyn's PPM claims?I
> am keenly interested in this.  3200 ppm sounds so high . . .
>
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Re: CS>More questions?

Deanna ~

Vaginal yeast infections are often caused by candida.  CS will kill candida
and thus will help your yeast infection.  You can take orally and/or apply
vaginally.  I used it in enemas for parvo pups.  I'm sure it can be used for
human enemas.

Julie & Critters

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Subject: CS>More questions?


> Has anyone used CS for treating vaginal yeast infections or doing an enema
> for colon problems?...Deanna in MN
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CS>Re: CS & Dosing Animals

2001-10-20 Thread Jonathan B. Britten

Has the illustrious Ole Bob ever inspected Microdyn's PPM claims?I 
am keenly interested in this.  3200 ppm sounds so high . . .


JBB



wolfcreek1 wrote:


Langsley,

You want to look at the Microdyn Disinfectant (3200 ppm) 15 ml at: 
http://www.geocities.com/compu_dr/cinco/more.htm


Julie & Critters


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Re: CS>Re: CS & H2O2

2001-10-20 Thread Jonathan B. Britten

I read recently that one of the destructive effects of cancer cells is 
that they do produce H202, which damages surrounding tissue.   This 
info. came in a long essay about cancer therapies and nutrition.   It 
was not directly concerned with using H202.  


JBB



Mike Monett wrote:


Hi Julie,

 I'm surprised  to find that some people recommend H2O2  as  a health
 cure. The  reason for the gag response is hydrogen peroxide  is part
 of the respiration cycle. It is toxic and the body tries to  get rid
 of it  as soon as possible. Naturally, it doesn't want more,  so you
 gag when you try to drink it.

 As with  anything, you have to sift through  the  available evidence
 and make  up your own mind. I attach little  importance  to articles
 written by someone trying to sell something.

 If I can find independant articles that seem to say the same general
 thing, I  feel that carries more weight. In the case of  H2O2, there
 is a  wealth of information that indicates it may  be  harmful. Here
 are some links I found:

 Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging Part I

 http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_1.htm

 Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part II

 http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_2.htm

 Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part III

 http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_3.htm

 Oxygen Free Radicals and Mitochondrial Mutation

 http://vector.cshl.org/geneticorigins/mito/theory4.html

 Reactive Oxygen Species and Antioxidant Vitamins

 http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/f-w97/reactive.html

 Here's one  with   pictures   showing   where   H2O2  occurs  in the
 respiration cycle: Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS)

 http://www.rndsystems.com/asp/g_sitebuilder.asp?bodyId=222

 Regards,

 Mike Monett


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CS>Intestines

2001-10-20 Thread Jonathan B. Britten

R.e. intestines:   supposedly a magnetic pulser will work well for sites 
not reached by blood electrification.A good one comes from SOTA 
instruments.


JBB



Jason / AVRA wrote:


Mike:

I have reviewed most of the material that touts dangers to H2O2 usage
internally.  There is every reason to apply caution and due consideration.
However, I'm also aware of many people who have used H2O2 internally for
years, and are in FANTASTIC health.

H2O2 is NOT a toxic substance.  Caustic, yes, toxic, no.  The reason for the
feeling in the stomach has nothing to do with respiration or the body
"wanting to get rid of it".  It has ONLY to do with the extreme reaction
that H2O2 with organic material, especially bacteria.

A metabolic reaction is evident within seconds of drinking a H2O2 solution.
I don't know how, in fact I can't IMAGINE how, but oxygen content in the
bloodstream seems to be increased.  I am very greatful that I both listened
to the nay-sayers ( you can find nay-sayers about anything! ) and used it
despite the fears.

The common H2O2 reaction is due to the explosive liberation of that extra
oxygen molecule.  Once this occurs, you are left with water and oxygen.  The
oxidizing power of H2O2 is quite amazing.  Bottom line, however, is that
I've seen MORE evidence that it should cautiously used on WOUNDS then for
internal use.

When in doubt, get educated on BOTH sides of an "arguement".

As far as using h2o2 internally, I think those that advocate it might
approach it a bit extremely.  I don't think anywhere NEAR the recommended
amount is truly needed to experience a positive benefit from its use.

A few years ago, I acquired some sort of nasty parasite in the lower
intestines.  Colloidal silver didn't do the trick ( of course it helped my
body ), bentonite internally helped incredibly but could not completely
eradicate the problem, the zapper helped but could not eliminate the
problem... So I added the H2O2 to the mix, and the problem was solved in
short order.  I really think it took a combination of treatments.  The
zapper killed SOMETHING within the first few hours of use - there was
visible evidence.  BUT zappers are not strong for use in the intestines.


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To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: CS>Re: CS & H2O2



Hi Julie,

 I'm surprised  to find that some people recommend H2O2  as  a health
 cure. The  reason for the gag response is hydrogen peroxide  is part
 of the respiration cycle. It is toxic and the body tries to  get rid
 of it  as soon as possible. Naturally, it doesn't want more,  so you
 gag when you try to drink it.

 As with  anything, you have to sift through  the  available evidence
 and make  up your own mind. I attach little  importance  to articles
 written by someone trying to sell something.

 If I can find independant articles that seem to say the same general
 thing, I  feel that carries more weight. In the case of  H2O2, there
 is a  wealth of information that indicates it may  be  harmful. Here
 are some links I found:

 Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging Part I

 http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_1.htm

 Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part II

 http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_2.htm

 Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part III

 http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_3.htm

 Oxygen Free Radicals and Mitochondrial Mutation

 http://vector.cshl.org/geneticorigins/mito/theory4.html

 Reactive Oxygen Species and Antioxidant Vitamins

 http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/f-w97/reactive.html

 Here's one  with   pictures   showing   where   H2O2  occurs  in the
 respiration cycle: Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS)

 http://www.rndsystems.com/asp/g_sitebuilder.asp?bodyId=222

 Regards,

 Mike Monett


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CS>A CS relative? Univ of Michigan breakthru

2001-10-20 Thread jrowland

"...We have developed non-toxic nanoemulsions that penetrate and kill
infectious microbes from flu viruses to anthrax spores  the
possibilities are truly limitless., Dr. James R. Baker, director of the
new Center for Biologic Nanotechnolgy at the University of Michigan and
inventor of the revolutionary disinfection protocol...nanobomb
technology - an allusion to the extremely small (nanometer) size of
the aerosol of disinfectant agents that mechanically seek out and kill a
wide spectrum of infectious microorganisms, without deleterious side
effects to living tissue...has been described by others as the
biological equivalent of a laser-guided bomb for microorganisms.
( full details at:  http://www.nano.med.umich.edu/homepage.html)
Dr. Bakers radical technique for fighting anthrax and a wide array of
other possible bioterrorism threats, for some reason, is NOT receiving
wide discussion or high priority funding in Washington..."
http://www.enterprisemission.com/anthrax.htm
jr


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Re: CS>cs and h2o2

Mike:

I won't remove the H2O2 pages based on the information I've been given,
weighed against the data and personal experience I have, even if nobody else
in the world recommends the site!  My commitment is to truth, not science
and not fear. That is one reason why the website is not named The Colloidal
Silver Scientific Website.

I will however modify the H2O2 pages.  I had never even THOUGHT that someone
would take that page and try to use it as a sole protocol for H2O2 therapy.
This is MY oversight.  People do the wildest things!  I will change that.  I
thought a two line note would adequately advise those not familiar with H2O2
usage that cautions apply.  I will take the further step of both providing
those cautions, their counters, and a balanced view of hydrogen peroxide.

I welcome all criticisms with open-arms, but don't expect me to roll over
based on limited information.  It is NOT my job to play God!  I will not
censor information based on fear.

Yes I take your comments exactly as they were intended, no fear!  :)

I won't change the technology or the background, although just for your
information, the bulk of the material will be in the database section, which
is formatted standard html, as in this example:

http://silverdata.20m.com/howmuchsilverdididrink.html

I have hundreds of pages to add that I've collected over the years from a
wide variety of sources.

You miss the point of the basic generator tutorial, as it is designed.  It
is designed with the understanding that there are those out there that if
you say they need anything more than a screwdriver, simply won't do the
project.  They don't trust themselves to poke holes properly, or drill, or
even cut things accurately.  While they underestimate themselves
dramatically, the generator tutorial is designed specifically for them.
There are of course a whole host of modifications that can be done to
improve the ENTIRE process.  But if you never get your "hands dirty" you
will never discover them!

The background choice will change when my designs finish, and thus so will
the bolded text.  I am going to employ a psychology technology to the
design, but it is not one of my priorities at the moment.  My apologies for
any viewing inconvenience.  However, the main part of the website is
designed for high bandwidth.  It is bearable with lower bandwidth, but just
barely.  I used to have videos available that would take a 56k'er a few days
to download.  I use three different graphic optimization programs.  The
reason they are not smaller is because I like the fine resolution, not
because I can't crunch them further.  The idea of the database website is
two-fold, and I have to balance both needs.  The whole website will
eventually be available via a CD set - no charge except
an option to donate for not-for-profit educational explorations, such as
non-clinical, but extensive efficacy trials.  Full videos will be included.

You'll see why I'm an advocate of the potential of hydrogen peroxide with
colloidal silver when I start to add documents to the database, in the
"other substances" section.

Don't worry - I get hate mail all the time!  I can take it!  I just
particularly like it when someone is able to find a valid flaw, because,
having been corrected, I can make corrections!  After all, I'm only human.
Gimme a break!  I work a full time job ( when I'm not in school full time ),
and usually work about six to eight hours when I get home.  I work my
weekends.  I work at least two hours that I might spend sleeping!  AND I run
more than just the colloidal silver database website as well.  And I don't
make a dime!  In fact, I spend money doing it, lots of money.

SO.  Come on somebody!  Give me something more to consider besides oxidation
formulas to hold against hydrogen peroxide!

I will add conductivity pages, with multimeters, etc., when I start to
address current limiting specifically, and high voltage generators.  But it
won't be included in the basic generator section.

The ionic section will probably come last, although I am itching to address
it.  For that, I need some help of some very special scientists.  It's too
much of a task to handle right now.

In the future, however, Mike - I would request that you email me directly
with criticisms of the website - those that you see no health risk with,
that is.

I don't want to burden the group with constant emails such as this - yet I
feel I must address things as they are brought up.



- Original Message -
From: "Mike Monett" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: CS>cs and h2o2


> Hi Jason,
>
> Thank you for the very balanced reply. Actually, I can duplicate the
> effect of taking cs and H2O2. I simply go for a walk. And I agree, the
> results are wonderful! I can make more H2O2 by running, and less by
> simply watching the girls go by. Oops - that may not be a good example.
>
> I think the site is very good, and I would ordinarily like to be able
> to recommend it

CS>Small Pox

2001-10-20 Thread David Haley

Since CS has been around for such a long time and so has small pox.  Does
anyone know how small pox responds to CS?  I'm a military brat so did have a
small pox vaccine as a little girl...have the scar to prove it!  However, my
mother told me I became rather sick with the vaccine.  With all this talk in
the media with the possibility of revaccination of small pox I'd really
rather not vaccinate if CS proves successful with small poxTIADeanna


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CS>More questions?

2001-10-20 Thread David Haley

Has anyone used CS for treating vaginal yeast infections or doing an enema
for colon problems?...Deanna in MN


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CS>Pet tumors

2001-10-20 Thread David Haley

Wanda your request has prompted me to ask a question myself!  We have a much 
beloved 8 year old Schnauzer name Gus.  Gus has tumors that grow topically.  
They are benign but they do have to be removed every so often.  I wonder if CS 
would work on them.  Should I treat topically or internally?...Deanna

Re: CS>RE: CS via IM

2001-10-20 Thread Connie

When I was treating my kits for limping calici, I used oral CS
daily...strictly CS in their drinking water, and mixed in with food that I
hand fed
It was not until I injected the CS (SubQ) that I got the drastic improvement
in their health.
Connie
WufnPur SibCats and POMS
www.pet-net.net/wufnpur
Newest photos at:
www.picturetrail.com/wufnpur
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>RE: CS via IM


> > Hi...no one responded to this message...does anyone have any
> > information on this?Robb
>
> Dear Robb, I have none, but I just wonder, why would anyone bother, if
> taking CS orally works so well??
> Marshalee
>
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Re: CS>Full? Sine? Half?

2001-10-20 Thread Jim Meissner

Dear Terry:

>  I thought a half-wave was
> a mountain peak followed by a flat plane (an AC that
> isn't allowed to change polarity, so the bottom valley
> is cut off).

That is exactly correct.  With half wave you are only using the positive
mountain top and blocking the negative going mountain top of the sine wave.
The full wave rectifier that actually contains four diodes rearranges the
current flow so that the negative going part of the sine wave becomes
positive and thus gives two positive mountains.  If you start with 110 volts
AC, the output will be around 100 volts average of pulsating DC just like
you have measured, and if you were to add a capacitor it would be around 155
volts steady DC.

> Also, I had understood that the molecules from the
> negative silver wire (anode) were attracted to the
> positive (cathode) wire? Isn't it the anode wire that
> gets thinner and thinner? I may have it backwards, but
> this is essential to get clear, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE
> USING STAINLESS STEEL!

The bridge rectifier probably has a (+) and (-) marked on it.  Also you DC
meter will tell you which is positive.  The silver wire goes on the (+) or
positive wire.  And yes the positive wire will become thinner.

The following suggestion is unrelated to the voltage and rectifier question.
I have experimented with not using a silver wire for the negative wire.
Theoretically it should make no difference what the negative wire is made
from.  BUT, I have had strange and unrepeatable problems that do not occur
when using two silver wires.   Since the negative wire does not get used up,
why not use the "best possible silver" there as well.  I do not have the
sophisticated equipment as others on this list, but the difference between
silver and stainless steel showed up in my testing.  My measurements are
based on the inexpensive Hanna PWT and laser pointer.

Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner
Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com
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your life and health.
- Original Message -
From: Terry Chamberlin 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:45 AM
Subject: CS>Full? Sine? Half?


> "half wave looks like a mountain peak followed by a
> valley (zero volts). With full wave you have two
> mountain tops with no valley in between."
>
> How is a full-wave different from a sine-wave? I had
> thought a full-wave WAS a sine-wave, a mountain peak
> followed by an equal valley. I thought a half-wave was
> a mountain peak followed by a flat plane (an AC that
> isn't allowed to change polarity, so the bottom valley
> is cut off).
>
> Also, I had understood that the molecules from the
> negative silver wire (anode) were attracted to the
> positive (cathode) wire? Isn't it the anode wire that
> gets thinner and thinner? I may have it backwards, but
> this is essential to get clear, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE
> USING STAINLESS STEEL!
>
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Re: CS>cs and h2o2

Hi Jason,

Thank you for the very balanced reply. Actually, I can duplicate the 
effect of taking cs and H2O2. I simply go for a walk. And I agree, the 
results are wonderful! I can make more H2O2 by running, and less by 
simply watching the girls go by. Oops - that may not be a good example.

I think the site is very good, and I would ordinarily like to be able 
to recommend it to others. However, the H2O2 page give me real pause, so 
I look for other links.

The pictures are excellent. Unforunately, they are huge and take a long 
time to download. It should be possible to process them in LVIEWPRO and 
cut the size dramatically and also increase the quality. If you do not 
have LVIEWPRO, please send them to me and I will be happy to do it for 
you.

Another silly point is all the text is bold. Sometimes there is a light 
gray background. This makes the text hard to read. It would be nice if 
the text were plain black on a light cream background.

The idea of using chopsticks to hold the silver rods is novel. I would 
never have thought of it. Perhaps if there were small notches cut into 
the wood to hold the rods a known, fixed distance apart, it might help 
maintain a more repeatable process.

I have not examined the text in detail, but overall it looks very good. I 
would love to see adding a multimeter to verify the quality of the 
distilled water and to monitor the process.

I hope you take these comments in the way they were intended. It is very 
difficult to find a non-commercial site to help the newbies. Your site 
has the potential to be the best.

Kindest Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CS>Mycrodyn: PS

2001-10-20 Thread Bill Missett

PS:

Yes, you can buy it in many,if not all farmacias, as well as most small
tiendas which are everywhere. About the only time they won't have it is when
they are sold out.  And gringos down here are aware of CS because I've been
preaching it to them for three years.  I've been told it is sold in its
original Mexican packagaing in Yellowknife Territory in Canada for $11 a
bottle. (Try that in the US and you'd go to jail for the package literature
alone.) It is sold in bulk (1 and 2 liter bottles, I'm told) at big US
outlets like Walmart in Acapulco, but I've never purchased in bulk.

- Original Message -
From: Bill Missett 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Mycrodyn


>
> I've used Microdyn daily for three years with absolutely excellent results
> for all internal and external applications.  In Mexico, it sells for 80
> cents for a 1/2 ounce bottle which will last you a month, because you only
> have to use drops instead of tablespoons of the stuff.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Langsley Russell 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 3:47 PM
> Subject: CS>Mycrodyn
>
>
> > Hi Alex.
> >
> > I can't help noting the huge difference in the ppm of CS in the Microdyn
> as
> > referred to by you in your posts as 3200 and listed as 400 ppm on your
> > website. Can you clarify this for me?
> >
> > Does anybody else on the list have any experience with or independent
> > information on the Microdyn product referred to in this thread?
> >
> > Thanks for any input any of you may have. As always feel free to contact
> me
> > off list if you prefer.
> >
> > LTR  }}:{(
> > Langsley T Russell
> > Bulloved Bulldogs
> > bullo...@nitline.com
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> > http://www.bullovedbulldogs.com/
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Re: CS>Mycrodyn

2001-10-20 Thread Bill Missett

Roger, Roger:

I have used Microdyn for four years, actually.  I read a Mark Metcalf piece on 
CS in Magical Blend magazine, and then two weeks later my wife serendipitiously 
discovered that Microdyn is high potency CS.  It is sold in Mexico to kill 
cholera, purify water, and clean vegetables.  But the literature that comes 
with it also claims that Microdyn kills salmonella and e. coli as well as 
parasites (which it does).

I first started using it on cuts and scratches, which fester up and infect 
instantaneously here in Southern Mexico.  Worked like a charm, dried up and 
healed everything about three times faster than my greasy kid stuff 
triple-antibiotic cream, which I evenntually discontinued using.   

The ultimate external test I had was when I was severely bitten by my dog after 
it was hit by a car and I foolishly tried to be of assistance.  She was a big 
German Shepherd mix with a serious set of teeth, and she gave me 19 puncture 
wounds on both arms and legs, and a 2.5-inch gash on my wrist which went to the 
bone for 5/8s of an inch.  It was a very clean cut, caused by a broken tooth.  

After initial cleaning with h2o2, and an application of antibiotic ointment and 
CS, I used only CS from day two on, with incredible healing success.  The wrist 
wound was laid open to at least 1/2 inch in width at the worst, but I was told 
by my MD father-in-law "never stitch an animal bite," and I followed his 
advice.   So I just applied CS twice daily.  The wound closed, dry and 
pristine, in three days. It was amazing.  All of the puncture wounds (but one) 
healed in 4-5 days, because some were very deep.And everything healed with 
very tiny scar tissue. 

The one that refused to heal (despite repeated injections of Microdyn straight 
into the wound) finally gave up a 3/8-inch broken dog tooth, from the one that 
gashed my wrist, which was imbedded in my arm for 13 days.  As soon as the 
tooth was out, it healed cleanly too.

End of dog story.

Internally, I personally have used CS fto kill salmonella (3-4 times) amoebic 
dysentery, food poisoning (several times), colds, viral (australian) flu, and 
have not suffered a case of dengue fever in the same time frame, when I usually 
got 1-2 cases a year.  When I get something serious internal, like salmonella, 
I dose myself with 10 drops of Microdyn in a class of water for a day and a 
half, 4-5 times in all.  My symptoms are generally gone entirely in 18 hours, 
but experience has shown that additional doses of CS are required after 
symptoms disappear.  (Salmonella, incidentally, is a thoroughly noxious 
intestinal infection which is impervious to antibiotics.  In fact, you are not 
supposed to take antibiotics for salmonella, because it will only cause it to 
mutate and move into your liver.  So you suffer for 18 days before your body 
can muster up enough antibodies to get rid of it.

I have observed firsthand CS killing ear and eye infections, vaginal infections 
(a 30-minute cure), an office full of colds,
hemorrhoids, sinus infections, and -- get this -- restoring the big toenails of 
a woman friend, who had lost them to a fungal infection picked up in Thailand.  
This woman, a yoga instructor, had no big toenails for 15 years until she 
applied Microdyn twice daily for 6 months, and they grew back.  

The tested potency of Microdyn, I'm told, is not the 3200ppm that has been 
touted (myself included) but is much less than that.  But it is still some of 
the strongest stuff on the market.  As far as arygria goes, I guess I'm a test 
case in the making, I put 10-12 drops a day into my drinking water, every day, 
and after 4 years of consuming the stuff the only thing I have that's blue are 
my eyes.

Bill Missett
Puerto Escondido, Mexico


  - Original Message - 
  From: rogalt...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 4:26 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Mycrodyn


  In a message dated 10/20/2001 5:20:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
miss...@prodigy.net.mx writes: 



Subj:Re: CS>Mycrodyn 
Date:10/20/2001 5:20:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time 
From:miss...@prodigy.net.mx (Bill Missett) 
Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com 
To:silver-list@eskimo.com 





I've used Microdyn daily for three years with absolutely excellent results 
for all internal and external applications.  In Mexico, it sells for 80 
cents for a 1/2 ounce bottle which will last you a month, because you only 
have to use drops instead of tablespoons of the stuff. 



  Bill: Please tell us what you have used it for, and how successful it was. 
Can it be purchased in any "farmacia" in Mexico? Roger

Re: CS>Re: CS & H2O2

Mike:

After reviewing the links that you submitted about oxidizing agents, I
almost had the question pop out "...and your point is?"

If one's body has a hard time removing free radicals, the problem doesn't
lie in the natural substances created by the body or used in the body, it
has to do with diet.  No amount of of careful consumption is going to stop
the body from being assaulted by ALL KINDS of free radicals.  This is just
another example of modern medicine missing the entire point of health.  It
is great textbook chemistry, but it still defies every personal experience
I've had and of those many people I've conferred with who have been using
oxygen therapies for decades.

That said, I am still very cautious in usage.  But I would not hestitate to
inject H2O2 into my own veins if the need ever presented itself.  You might
want to throw away the books, and take a walk out to a wonderful, crisp
flowing river, and study the river in detail.

You might also want to educate yourself on the flip side of the coin.  A
great starting point is O2xygen Therapies:  A new way of approaching
Disease, by Ed McAbe.  His data and references are far more extensive than a
bit of chemistry theory based on some ( granted ) great theoretical work.

You might also want to check out "Hydrogen Peroxide - The Misunderstood
Oxidant", by Bradford, Allen, and Culberet, 1987.



- Original Message -
From: "Mike Monett" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:13 PM
Subject: CS>Re: CS & H2O2


> Second try - Maybe there was a glitch and the first one dropped in the
> bit bucket.
>
> Hi Julie,
>
>   I'm surprised  to find that some people recommend H2O2  as  a health
>   cure. The  reason for the gag response is that hydrogen  peroxide is
>   part of the respiration cycle. It is toxic and the body tries to get
>   rid of  it as soon as possible. Naturally, it doesn't want  more, so
>   you gag when you try to drink it.
>
>   As with  anything, you have to sift through  the  available evidence
>   and make  up your own mind. I attach little  importance  to articles
>   written by someone trying to sell something.
>
>   If I can find independant articles that seem to say the same general
>   thing, I  feel that carries more weight. In the case of  H2O2, there
>   is a  wealth of information that indicates it may  be  harmful. Here
>   are some links I found:
>
>   Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging Part I
>
>   http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_1.htm
>
>   Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part II
>
>   http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_2.htm
>
>   Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part III
>
>   http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_3.htm
>
>   Oxygen Free Radicals and Mitochondrial Mutation
>
>   http://vector.cshl.org/geneticorigins/mito/theory4.html
>
>   Reactive Oxygen Species and Antioxidant Vitamins
>
>   http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/f-w97/reactive.html
>
>   Here's one  with   pictures   showing   where   H2O2  occurs  in the
>   respiration cycle: Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS)
>
>   http://www.rndsystems.com/asp/g_sitebuilder.asp?bodyId=222
>
>   Regards,
>
>   Mike Monett
>
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CS>Re: CS reference material

2001-10-20 Thread one-busy-mompaula

Yeah Deanna, I need hard copy too!  i am curently on no mail, or digest (CS
lsit) due to family illness,  if you get ahold of hard copy, please notify
me.
Paula
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From: David Haley 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:34 AM
Subject: CS reference material


> Is there anything in print (or on the web) that is helpful regarding CS?
A
> reference manualtake so many spoonfuls of such and such ppm, so many
> times a day for this particular ailmentthat sort of thing?...Deanna
>
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Re: CS>cs and h2o2

Mike - the they is me.  And you are right.  Thank you.  I certainly shall
make an addition addressing the concerns of H2O2 in more detail.

However - consider this.  Don't you think if organ damage was a real
concern, that those people who have been injecting it would severely
incapacitated in short order?

It amazes me how modern medical science can advocate extreme use of damaging
drugs, knowing both the damage being done and the body's ability to heal,
and yet underestimate the body's own ability to regulate metabolic reaction
of natural substances.

The page was an introduction to colloidal silver and H2O2 - not a page on
H2O2 therapy in general.  But, on thinking about it, I tend to agree with
you - there is never any harm in taking the high road.


- Original Message -
From: "Mike Monett" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: CS>cs and h2o2


> Hi Jason,
>
>   I'm really disappointed they decided to add that page for beginners.
>   They do  not  give adequate information for anyone  to  evaluate the
>   health risk.
>
>   They also  fail  to  insist   that   anyone  taking  H2O2  also take
>   antioxidants. Here is a quote from http://stopcancer.com/oxygen.htm
>
>   
>
>   "Hydroxyl radicals  are  the  most  dangerous  of  all  of  the free
>   radicals. They  are  formed when super oxide  and  hydrogen peroxide
>   react together.  They  are extremely reactive  and  will  attack any
>   molecule around them".
>
>   Taken from "Antioxidants Made Simple" by Dr. Bruce B. Miller
>
>   Caution:
>
>   Antioxidants and  hydrochlori  c acid (HLC) should be  taken  if the
>   hydrogen peroxide  formula  is  going to  be  used  successfully and
>   without damage to the cells .
>
>   
>
>   Please see my other post to Julie giving links to articles on ROS.
>
>   Take care of yourself.
>
>   Regards,
>
>   Mike Monett
>
>
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CS>Safety of Colloidal Silver

Hello,

I am studying the dangers of colloidal silver, to try and help a friend who
takes it and thinks that it is good for you.  Can you please give me

some medical  case citations proving the dangers of colloidal silver made
with electricity?  I urgently need help.  She is very good looking,

and I dont want her to turn into a Smurf, or worse yet, get heavy metal
brain damage.

Thank you for your time, attention, and your future assistance.

James Osbourne Holmes

Re: CS>Re: CS & H2O2

Mike:

I have reviewed most of the material that touts dangers to H2O2 usage
internally.  There is every reason to apply caution and due consideration.
However, I'm also aware of many people who have used H2O2 internally for
years, and are in FANTASTIC health.

H2O2 is NOT a toxic substance.  Caustic, yes, toxic, no.  The reason for the
feeling in the stomach has nothing to do with respiration or the body
"wanting to get rid of it".  It has ONLY to do with the extreme reaction
that H2O2 with organic material, especially bacteria.

A metabolic reaction is evident within seconds of drinking a H2O2 solution.
I don't know how, in fact I can't IMAGINE how, but oxygen content in the
bloodstream seems to be increased.  I am very greatful that I both listened
to the nay-sayers ( you can find nay-sayers about anything! ) and used it
despite the fears.

The common H2O2 reaction is due to the explosive liberation of that extra
oxygen molecule.  Once this occurs, you are left with water and oxygen.  The
oxidizing power of H2O2 is quite amazing.  Bottom line, however, is that
I've seen MORE evidence that it should cautiously used on WOUNDS then for
internal use.

When in doubt, get educated on BOTH sides of an "arguement".

As far as using h2o2 internally, I think those that advocate it might
approach it a bit extremely.  I don't think anywhere NEAR the recommended
amount is truly needed to experience a positive benefit from its use.

A few years ago, I acquired some sort of nasty parasite in the lower
intestines.  Colloidal silver didn't do the trick ( of course it helped my
body ), bentonite internally helped incredibly but could not completely
eradicate the problem, the zapper helped but could not eliminate the
problem... So I added the H2O2 to the mix, and the problem was solved in
short order.  I really think it took a combination of treatments.  The
zapper killed SOMETHING within the first few hours of use - there was
visible evidence.  BUT zappers are not strong for use in the intestines.


- Original Message -
From: "Mike Monett" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: CS>Re: CS & H2O2


> Hi Julie,
>
>   I'm surprised  to find that some people recommend H2O2  as  a health
>   cure. The  reason for the gag response is hydrogen peroxide  is part
>   of the respiration cycle. It is toxic and the body tries to  get rid
>   of it  as soon as possible. Naturally, it doesn't want more,  so you
>   gag when you try to drink it.
>
>   As with  anything, you have to sift through  the  available evidence
>   and make  up your own mind. I attach little  importance  to articles
>   written by someone trying to sell something.
>
>   If I can find independant articles that seem to say the same general
>   thing, I  feel that carries more weight. In the case of  H2O2, there
>   is a  wealth of information that indicates it may  be  harmful. Here
>   are some links I found:
>
>   Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging Part I
>
>   http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_1.htm
>
>   Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part II
>
>   http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_2.htm
>
>   Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part III
>
>   http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_3.htm
>
>   Oxygen Free Radicals and Mitochondrial Mutation
>
>   http://vector.cshl.org/geneticorigins/mito/theory4.html
>
>   Reactive Oxygen Species and Antioxidant Vitamins
>
>   http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/f-w97/reactive.html
>
>   Here's one  with   pictures   showing   where   H2O2  occurs  in the
>   respiration cycle: Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS)
>
>   http://www.rndsystems.com/asp/g_sitebuilder.asp?bodyId=222
>
>   Regards,
>
>   Mike Monett
>
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Re: CS>RE: CS via IM

2001-10-20 Thread Marshalee Hallett



> Hi...no one responded to this message...does anyone have any
> information on this?Robb

Dear Robb, I have none, but I just wonder, why would anyone bother, if
taking CS orally works so well??
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Re: CS>Welcome!

2001-10-20 Thread Marshalee Hallett

> Hi Marshalee,
>
> Thank you for sharing your story. How much CS did you
> use a day before you really started getting relief from the
> Lyme symptoms. I know several people with Lyme, so it would
> be a help. Thanks for any info.
>
> Gary

Dear Gary, I have no idea the PPM of the initial CS I made back then, I used
salt, and the 3 batteries with a small bulb gadget ala Mark Metcalf. Now I
just plug my electrical thingy into the wall socket, hook up the clips and
wires, and drop them into the distilled water for 1 hour. Whatever it is I`m
making, and have made, it works!
 I take 3 big swallows about 1 cup a day when ill, or one swallow a day as a
preventive.
I still don`t heat the water, filter the CS, or stir. Too lazy.
Love,
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Re: CS>Mycrodyn

In a message dated 10/20/2001 5:20:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
miss...@prodigy.net.mx writes:

> Subj:Re: CS>Mycrodyn
> Date:10/20/2001 5:20:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:miss...@prodigy.net.mx (Bill Missett)
> Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've used Microdyn daily for three years with absolutely excellent results
> for all internal and external applications.  In Mexico, it sells for 80
> cents for a 1/2 ounce bottle which will last you a month, because you only
> have to use drops instead of tablespoons of the stuff.
> 

Bill: Please tell us what you have used it for, and how successful it was. 
Can it be purchased in any "farmacia" in Mexico? Roger

Re: CS>Mycrodyn

2001-10-20 Thread Bill Missett


I've used Microdyn daily for three years with absolutely excellent results
for all internal and external applications.  In Mexico, it sells for 80
cents for a 1/2 ounce bottle which will last you a month, because you only
have to use drops instead of tablespoons of the stuff.


- Original Message -
From: Langsley Russell 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 3:47 PM
Subject: CS>Mycrodyn


> Hi Alex.
>
> I can't help noting the huge difference in the ppm of CS in the Microdyn
as
> referred to by you in your posts as 3200 and listed as 400 ppm on your
> website. Can you clarify this for me?
>
> Does anybody else on the list have any experience with or independent
> information on the Microdyn product referred to in this thread?
>
> Thanks for any input any of you may have. As always feel free to contact
me
> off list if you prefer.
>
> LTR  }}:{(
> Langsley T Russell
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CS>concentration calculator

2001-10-20 Thread Shirley Reed

Thanks Jason.  I think I have it now.  pj

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Re: CS>Re: CS & Dosing Animals

CK ~

Hulda Clark's book, The Cure for All Diseases, mentions heartworm for humans
and animals frequently.  Without further studying, I would believe that if
you know the frequency of the heartworm, you could zap them.  I do know that
her parasite cleanse should also take care of heartworm tho.  Black walnut
tincture is often used in holistic heartworm remedies, so I believe
heartworm can be removed/prevented through the parasite cleanse.

Julie & Critters
> I wonder if the "Zapper" would help with heartworms.  Aren't they a
> parasite?
>
> CK
> - Original Message -
> From: "Black" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:02 PM
> Subject: CS>Re: CS & Dosing Animals
>
>
> | Langsley,
> | By "documented cases" I meant cases of first hand personal experience,
> some
> | I have read on Colloidal Silver Discovery Center Yahoo Clubs forum.
> | I would not expect CS to eradicate heartworms but it could help the dog
> not
> | become as debilitated from their effects as it otherwise would.  I would
> try
> | the Holistic Pet site, join their forum where you could ask the question
> | regarding heartworms treatment.  They have a participating vet, Dr. Dodd
> who
> | would give you as much help as anyone I can think of.  The address is
> | probably www. holisticpet.com, if not do a search on holistic pet.  Alot
> of
> | valuable info for all aspects of animal health .
> | Good luck,
> | Nancy...
> |
> | - Original Message -
> | From: Langsley Russell 
> | To: 
> | Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:09 PM
> | Subject: Re: CS & Dosing Animals
> |
> |
> | > Hi Nancy.
> | >
> | > You said: "First I don't know if you know there are documented cases
of
> CS
> | > curing
> | > Parvo, so that is the main thing I would give the pups."
> | >
> | > Do you have access to the documented parvo cures of which you speak,
or
> | > could you direct me to that documentation?
> | >
> | > I'm always on the lookout for *documented* cases of cures using
> | "alternative
> | > methods. I'm also looking for any information anybody may have on
using
> CS
> | > to treat heartworm in dogs.
> | >
> | > Thanks.
> | >
> | > LTR  }}:{(
> | > Langsley T Russell
> | > Bulloved Bulldogs
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RE: CS>RE: CS via IM

In the earlier period of widespread use of electro-silver colloids it was
most often IV.  It stings IM, and you cannot get the blood levels up as
high.  It is currently impossible to get as high a blood concentration
orally; hence the current Gatorade tests,  that will probably show about a
4x increase in absorption rates (per Brooks' group's previous dog studies).

DMSO ?

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube2...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>RE: CS via IM

Hi...no one responded to this message...does anyone have any
information on this?Robb


From: Robb Allen (view other messages by this author)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:26:53




Hello allI was wondering if there are any advantages to CS that is
delivered by IM injection.  What is the difference between that and
oral?Robb




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RE: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW

I forgot to mention another well-documented cause of copper tube failure; 
electrolysis.  Same old electro-activity series stuff.  Electrons and atoms 
jump where there is a shortage.  I cannot recall the electrochemistry.  With a 
sensitive DC meghommeter you can find the current.  AC does not do it; the 
process reverses each cycle and nothing is moved to cause loss of metal.  DC, 
even very small microamp currents of very low voltage will do it.  This often 
occurs from electronics grounded into the electrical system that grounded to a 
water pipe, either by intent or by default. New electrical codes call for the 
entire reinforcing steel in the foundation to be used as a ground instead of 
the water pipe.  
 
Some EEs specialize in finding and correcting these faults.  Gas piping systems 
routinely include sacrificial anodes (Magnesium, I think, because of its high 
electro voltage), to bleed of the current without causing corrosion to the 
ferrous gas piping.  
 
Another cause of electrolysis in metallic piping is induced currents.  It is no 
longer allowable under many codes to place electrical power wiring and metallic 
gas piping within about two feet of one another because the field around the 
electrical cable can induce currents in the gas piping that will rapidly (a 
couple of years, perhaps in months) perforate the gas pipe, even if it is 
coated on the outside with a corrosion preventing plastic. 
 
The most pervasive and common cause of premature failure of copper piping 
systems is less esoteric; non-water soluble (grease-based paste) fluxes.  The 
flux is used to make a optimal chemical environment for soldering, brazing, and 
welding.  It is usually intentionally mildly corrosive to remove the film of 
oxide that forms instantly on the copper with exposure to air.  This permits a 
better bond between the filler metal and the tube.  The soldering paste will 
linger on the surface of the pipe even in the flow of water, and the part in 
contact with the metal will dissolve the pipe.  New codes ban non-water soluble 
fluxes. 
 
The ASTM standard for copper tubing is 99.90 percent pure Cu. 
 
James-Osbourne: Holmes
 
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Subject: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW
 
In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ken...@optusnet.com.au writes: 




Subj:CS>RE: Stainless dangerous? 
Date:10/20/2001 12:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time 
From:ken...@optusnet.com.au (Kevin Nolan) 
Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com   
To:silver-list@eskimo.com 




In Digest #951, James-Osbourne: Holmes wrote: 
"I use stainless cookware, and do all of my cooking with the same distilled 
water with which I make silver. I think it depends on a whole bunch of factors. 
 I doubt very much if the leaching in practice is of any consequence 
whatsoever. "Copper is another story.  DW dissolves it quite rapidly; such that 
you cannot use ordinary copper water tube for DW distribution.   It will both 
perforate quickly---exactly how fast I don’t know—and put a lot of copper in 
the water.  I suspect--but do not know---that it will put a potentially toxic 
amount of Cu into the water, depending on how much you drink. If one had a 
sensitive scale, you could put a chunk into DW and weigh it after it had been 
in there a while, constantly changing the water so that the dissolved copper 
would not slow down the process.  The “Waterwise” still manufacturer may offer 
solid information about the various grades of SS.  This would still not 
duplicate the process of running continuously fresh DW through a pipe." 
Some worthwhile advice there, James. Reminds me of a story run a few months 
back on TV here in Oz, about the huge cost of corrosion in copper water pipe. 
It's locale dependent but occurs all over the world. Apparently no-one has an 
answer as to why it happens or how to cure it (apart from replacing the pipe). 
Interestingly, there seemed to be a correlation between higher levels of 
dissolved iron picked up from ground water, and copper corrosion levels 


JOH: The interesting thing here is that a copper pipe (which I'll assume is 
99.9+% copper) should NOT dissolve in DW because (unlike zinc, for example), it 
is less reactive than hydrogen. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps 
there is another, even more noble, metal in the vicinity so that a corrosion 
cell is set up. What relatively common metal is more noble than copper? Beats 
me. Roger

CS>I'm from the IRS. I'm Here to Help...I'm from the FDA/FTC. I'm Here to Inform

Howey Pushes Silver as Anthrax 'Remedy' 

By Stephanie Erickson
Sentinel Staff Writer

October 19, 2001

HOWEY-IN-THE-HILLS -- The magical elixir is supposed to cure all sorts of 
ailments: gonorrhea, leukemia, sleepwalking, AIDS, arthritis, athlete's foot 
-- even anthrax.

And now, thanks to Howey-in-the-Hills Mayor Greg Bittner and the Town 
Council, colloidal silver is the officially endorsed "simple solution" for 
anthrax or any other malady that might strike the 950 residents of the quiet 
Lake County village.

Bittner, definitely not taking his cue from medical science, told a council 
meeting last week: "This is the greatest medicinal item that has ever come 
along. It wipes out virtually every virus."

Wishful thinking.

Federal health officials in 1999 prohibited the marketing of colloidal silver 
as a remedy for any disease because it turns human skin blue and gray -- 
permanently. And they say the fluid -- actually, tiny particles of silver 
suspended in distilled water -- doesn't cure a thing.

Officials at the Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Trade 
Commission were horrified to learn that any government would promote what 
they consider a scam.

Said FDA spokeswoman Laura Bradbard, "That's absolutely amazing." Added 
senior attorney Rich Cleland of the FTC: "There is no scientific evidence 
that suggests it will be effective against any bacteria."

And Dr. Stephen Barrett, vice president of the National Council Against 
Health Fraud and head of a Web site called Quackwatch.com, all but laughed 
out loud when told of Bittner's endorsement.

"Is he going to be re-elected as buffoon of the year?" Barrett said.

But the 67-year-old mayor, who researched colloidal silver on the Internet, 
where it's described as "nature's most powerful antibiotic," predicted it 
could "sweep the country."

Bittner brought colloidal silver to the attention of the Town Council on Oct. 
8, just as an anthrax case in South Florida was beginning to generate talk of 
bioterrorism. Just in case, Bittner said, the town should spend $100 to buy a 
colloidal-silver "generator" that produces a gallon of the stuff for about a 
nickel. That way, he said, residents will have enough for their families, and 
"you can take care of your neighbors, too."

Council member Joanna Gaskill was the only one to question whether there is 
any medical proof that the silver solution works.

"I just don't want a Howey medicine show," she said.

Regardless, the latest edition of Council Talk, the town newsletter that 
arrived in mailboxes this week, told residents of the "simple solution" to 
fight anthrax and provided police Chief Curtis Robbins' number as a contact 
for more information. The chief has said a friend of his with cancer was 
helped by the stuff.

Colloidal silver actually is nothing new.

Silver was, indeed, used through the 1930s as a preservative, especially in 
milk, and it was routinely added to nose drops for allergies through the 
1950s.

That's when doctors began to notice that people using silver for a long 
period were turning ashen-gray or blue, a condition called argyria. So 
manufacturers stopped using silver in the mixtures.

As diseases became more resistant to antibiotics, however, some 
alternative-medicine advocates began encouraging use of colloidal silver and 
selling generators to make it. The devices use silver rods as electrodes, 
which are inserted into a container of water. When the electrodes are hooked 
to batteries or an electrical transformer, electrolysis causes tiny particles 
of silver to become suspended in the fluid. The amount of time the generator 
runs determines the strength of the silver in the mixture.

By the mid-1990s, the FDA had begun warning colloidal-silver marketers to 
stop selling it as a medicine; last year, at least 18 Web-based marketers got 
such warnings.

Also last year, as part of "Operation Cure.All," the FTC charged a Central 
Florida company, Palm Bay-based Aaron Co., with fraudulent marketing of the 
stuff on the Internet. Without admitting it violated any law, the company 
paid fines and refunded money to customers.

Still, sales of colloidal silver are rising.

Since the Sept. 11 attacks, business is up 10 percent, said Yvonne Hengst, 
who sells it from Delaware via her Web site. Indeed, since the terrorist 
acts, she herself has been drinking a half-ounce a day of the elixir.

"This is something that people really need and use, especially now with the 
anthrax scare," Hengst said. "You're crazy not to."

What does the FDA say?

Colloidal silver can't be considered safe.

Stephanie Erickson can be reached at serick...@orlandosentinel.com or 
352-742-5921.



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Re: CS>RE: CS via IM

2001-10-20 Thread boberger

Robb,

No one has ever posted on IV CS.Who knows the hazards.?

"Ole Bob"




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Re: CS>Fwd: CS>Ionized Vs Distilled water

2001-10-20 Thread boberger

Dan,

In four years of researching the making of CS I have NEVER boiled water
with heat. I have several times boiled it with 29" of vacuum, and it did
reduce the conductivity as it removed dissolved gases.

The commercially available reverse osmosis, demimeralized, deionized
water that is avalible for $0.25 per gallon has a conductivity of 25
uS/cc while a gode DW has a conductance of0.3 uS/cc. With thatgrade of
RO onewould not need
anything to speed up the process, and it does not make good CS.

Go to the archhives and run through  Robert Berger posts to get a good
grounding in themaking of CS.

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RE: CS>RE: Stainless dangerous?

Many years ago I was asked to look into a well system that was getting leaks
in buried copper.  It turned out to be high CO2 in the water; acid.  High O2
will also do this.  It is usually overlooked in routine testing procedures
because the sample must be tested immediately, or the gases will balance
with the atmosphere.or something like that; it was years ago.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:18 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>RE: Stainless dangerous?

In Digest #951, James-Osbourne: Holmes wrote:
"I use stainless cookware, and do all of my cooking with the same distilled
water with which I make silver. I think it depends on a whole bunch of
factors.  I doubt very much if the leaching in practice is of any
consequence whatsoever. "Copper is another story.  DW dissolves it quite
rapidly; such that you cannot use ordinary copper water tube for DW
distribution.   It will both perforate quickly---exactly how fast I dont
knowand put a lot of copper in the water.  I suspect--but do not
know---that it will put a potentially toxic amount of Cu into the water,
depending on how much you drink. If one had a sensitive scale, you could put
a chunk into DW and weigh it after it had been in there a while, constantly
changing the water so that the dissolved copper would not slow down the
process.  The Waterwise still manufacturer may offer solid information
about the various grades of SS.  This would still not duplicate the process
of running continuously fresh DW through a pipe."
Some worthwhile advice there, James. Reminds me of a story run a few months
back on TV here in Oz, about the huge cost of corrosion in copper water
pipe. It's locale dependent but occurs all over the world. Apparently no-one
has an answer as to why it happens or how to cure it (apart from replacing
the pipe). Interestingly, there seemed to be a correlation between higher
levels of dissolved iron picked up from ground water, and copper corrosion
levels.

CS>Sorting e-mail in Outlook Express

Dear list, especially the newer folks!

One of our members took me up on my offer of guidance on ways to sort
incoming e-mail automatically. With your indulgence, ma'am, I'm
reposting this information from a previous message with a copy to you.

Now, please take a few minutes to read about a way to make it *MUCH*
easier to manage all your future mailing list subscriptions using
Outlook Express. Since that is the single most widely used e-mail
application, there are a lot of people who can benefit. If you find it 
useful, let me know. If you need additional help, just ask.

I can tell you are using Microsoft Outlook Express, which is the
default e-mail reader for Windows systems. I know this because, buried
in the super-secret message headers from your query is the line:

> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200

Tricking your program to *show* you all these wonderful headers and the
super-secret information they contain is the topic for another tutorial
alltogether, so I'll leave that for now! 

The easiest way to deal with mailing lists is to have your e-mail
program sort the incoming messages according to where they're from and
put them in a separate mail folder. This keeps you a *whole* lot saner
than dealing with many dozens of messages all mixed together in a
jumble in your in-box!

To do this in Microsoft Outlook Express, click on the following menus:
Tools>Message Rules>Mail to bring up the mail rules dialog box. Click
the New button to define a new rule.

In the New Mail Rule dialog box, check the box next to "Where the 
Subject line contains specific words" in the first list, and on "Move it
to the specified folder" in the second list.

Down below, you'll see your rule taking shape, with highlighted fields
for "contains specific words" and "specified" (folder).

Click on "contains specific words" to bring up the "Type specific
words" dialog box and type CS> in the upper field, then click on the ADD
button, then OK.

Click on "specified" to bring up the Move dialog box. Double click on
Local Folders, then click the New Folder button. Type in a name like
Silver List Messages, then press OK. Then, click on the new folder name
you created to make sure it's selected, then press OK.

Now you should be back in the New Mail Rule dialog. The 4th field lets
you give the rule you just created a descriptive name so you can know
what it does when you look at your list of rules. So call it something
like "silver list sorting rule..."  

Finally, you can click OK to close the New Mail Rule dialog box and
return to the Message Rules list. You should see the new rule you
created at the end of the list. If you click on it, you should see
something like this in the Rule Description field:

Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the Subject line contains 'CS>' 
Move it to the Silver List Messages folder 

If everything looks okay, just click OK! Then, the next time you 
download your mail, any messages with CS> in the Subject line *should*
be sent automatically to this separate folder.

The great thing is, if you forget about the list for a few days and
accumulate a few dozen messages (or a couple hundred!), you can either 
leave 'em or delete 'em or read 'em, without having to carry a bunch of 
messages in your inbox.

If you completely ignore one of your lists for a while, just go in once 
a month and delete anything over a month old to hold down hard-disk 
consumption.

Just for practice, you can set about making similar sorting rules for
any other mailing lists that you're on. By the time you're done, you'll
be an expert in using this feature. 

Anyway, that's a lot of answer, but I hope it's helpful. If I've
guessed wrong and given you a lot more or less information than you
need, or told you stuff you already know, please forgive me.

If there's anything more you need, just ask!

Be well,

Mike Devour
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CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW

In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ken...@optusnet.com.au writes:


> Subj:CS>RE: Stainless dangerous?
> Date:10/20/2001 12:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:ken...@optusnet.com.au (Kevin Nolan)
> Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In Digest #951, James-Osbourne: Holmes wrote:
> "I use stainless cookware, and do all of my cooking with the same distilled 
> water with which I make silver. I think it depends on a whole bunch of 
> factors.  I doubt very much if the leaching in practice is of any 
> consequence whatsoever. "Copper is another story.  DW dissolves it quite 
> rapidly; such that you cannot use ordinary copper water tube for DW 
> distribution.   It will both perforate quickly---exactly how fast I don’t 
> know—and put a lot of copper in the water.  I suspect--but do not 
> know---that it will put a potentially toxic amount of Cu into the water, 
> depending on how much you drink. If one had a sensitive scale, you could 
> put a chunk into DW and weigh it after it had been in there a while, 
> constantly changing the water so that the dissolved copper would not slow 
> down the process.  The “Waterwise” still manufacturer may offer solid 
> information about the various grades of SS.  This would still not duplicate 
> the process of running continuously fresh DW through a pipe." 
> Some worthwhile advice there, James. Reminds me of a story run a few months 
> back on TV here in Oz, about the huge cost of corrosion in copper water 
> pipe. It's locale dependent but occurs all over the world. Apparently 
> no-one has an answer as to why it happens or how to cure it (apart from 
> replacing the pipe). Interestingly, there seemed to be a correlation 
> between higher levels of dissolved iron picked up from ground water, and 
> copper corrosion levels
> 
> 

JOH: The interesting thing here is that a copper pipe (which I'll assume is 
99.9+% copper) should NOT dissolve in DW because (unlike zinc, for example), 
it is less reactive than hydrogen. The only thing I can think of is that 
perhaps there is another, even more noble, metal in the vicinity so that a 
corrosion cell is set up. What relatively common metal is more noble than 
copper? Beats me. Roger

Re: CS>Stainless Steel

2001-10-20 Thread Robb Allen

I don't use stainless steel..I was just wanting to test that method to 
see how it turned out.  The process went a good bit faster but other than 
that I don't really see an advantage.  I'm back to my one gallon pickle jar 
now.Robb

From: rogalt...@aol.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless Steel
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:34:25 EDT

In a message dated 10/19/2001 11:05:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
g...@island.net writes:

> Subj:Re: CS>Stainless Steel
> Date:10/19/2001 11:05:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:g...@island.net (Grant)
> Reply-to: HREF="mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com

> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
>
>
>
>
> Hi Roger:
> Well lets take it in two parts..
>   1..I thought you could not use metal for sc brewing as the silver
>  particles , atoms , ions, lumps , chunks, whatever.. would
>  collect onto the metal container, instead of remaining  in
> suspension.??

Grant: In general, that's correct. It's called a 'cementation reaction'.
Especially in the case of silver in which practically every other common
metal is more reactive, any silver ion in solution will be reduced to 
silver

metal on the "other metal's" surface. So even in the case of a stainless
steel beaker, once you're done with the electrolysis, get your CS outa that
SS beaker ASAP.

>
> 2..If the above is   "NOT CORRECT"?? . Then you could take one of
> your silver wires that you normally use for Cathode, and use it for an
> additional anode??.. Now you have twice the silver area for an Anode,
> for silver to   "sinter" off during the brewing  process??.
>
>Basically , all I am suggesting is that you could free up one silver
>electrode from the usual "two electrode" system, and use it as an
>additional "anode"??No???

Grant: Well, yeah, but silver wire is pretty cheap to worry about that.
Remember the old saying, "If something can go wrong, it will go wrong". Why
not use a double silver wire electrode setup so that you can NEVER wire it 
up

wrong?

Roger

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CS>RE: CS via IM

2001-10-20 Thread Robb Allen

Hi...no one responded to this message...does anyone have any 
information on this?Robb



From: Robb Allen (view other messages by this author)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:26:53



Hello allI was wondering if there are any advantages to CS that is
delivered by IM injection.  What is the difference between that and
oral?Robb




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Re: CS>Stainless Steel

In a message dated 10/19/2001 11:05:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
g...@island.net writes:

> Subj:Re: CS>Stainless Steel
> Date:10/19/2001 11:05:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:g...@island.net (Grant)
> Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Roger:
> Well lets take it in two parts..
>   1..I thought you could not use metal for sc brewing as the silver
>  particles , atoms , ions, lumps , chunks, whatever.. would
>  collect onto the metal container, instead of remaining  in 
> suspension.??

Grant: In general, that's correct. It's called a 'cementation reaction'. 
Especially in the case of silver in which practically every other common 
metal is more reactive, any silver ion in solution will be reduced to silver 
metal on the "other metal's" surface. So even in the case of a stainless 
steel beaker, once you're done with the electrolysis, get your CS outa that 
SS beaker ASAP.

> 
> 2..If the above is   "NOT CORRECT"?? . Then you could take one of
> your silver wires that you normally use for Cathode, and use it for an
> additional anode??.. Now you have twice the silver area for an Anode,
> for silver to   "sinter" off during the brewing  process??.
> 
>Basically , all I am suggesting is that you could free up one silver
>electrode from the usual "two electrode" system, and use it as an
>additional "anode"??No???

Grant: Well, yeah, but silver wire is pretty cheap to worry about that. 
Remember the old saying, "If something can go wrong, it will go wrong". Why 
not use a double silver wire electrode setup so that you can NEVER wire it up 
wrong?

Roger

Re: CS>Re: CS & Dosing Animals

2001-10-20 Thread MiMtn1

In a message dated 10/20/2001 3:03:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dbl...@cfl.rr.com writes:

<< www. holisticpet.com >>

This site isn't working..is this the correct www?
Thanks.
Beth


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Re: CS>Re: CS & Dosing Animals

2001-10-20 Thread Kehoe

I wonder if the "Zapper" would help with heartworms.  Aren't they a
parasite?

CK
- Original Message -
From: "Black" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:02 PM
Subject: CS>Re: CS & Dosing Animals

| Langsley,
| By "documented cases" I meant cases of first hand personal experience,
some
| I have read on Colloidal Silver Discovery Center Yahoo Clubs forum.
| I would not expect CS to eradicate heartworms but it could help the dog
not
| become as debilitated from their effects as it otherwise would.  I would
try
| the Holistic Pet site, join their forum where you could ask the question
| regarding heartworms treatment.  They have a participating vet, Dr. Dodd
who
| would give you as much help as anyone I can think of.  The address is
| probably www. holisticpet.com, if not do a search on holistic pet.  Alot
of
| valuable info for all aspects of animal health .
| Good luck,
| Nancy...
|
| - Original Message -
| From: Langsley Russell 
| To: 
| Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:09 PM
| Subject: Re: CS & Dosing Animals
|
|
| > Hi Nancy.
| >
| > You said: "First I don't know if you know there are documented cases of
CS
| > curing
| > Parvo, so that is the main thing I would give the pups."
| >
| > Do you have access to the documented parvo cures of which you speak, or
| > could you direct me to that documentation?
| >
| > I'm always on the lookout for *documented* cases of cures using
| "alternative
| > methods. I'm also looking for any information anybody may have on using
CS
| > to treat heartworm in dogs.
| >
| > Thanks.
| >
| > LTR  }}:{(
| > Langsley T Russell
| > Bulloved Bulldogs
| > bullo...@nitline.com
| > http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/The-Holistic-Bulldogger
| > http://www.bullovedbulldogs.com/
| >
| >
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CS>Fwd: CS>Ionized Vs Distilled water

2001-10-20 Thread daniel johnson




>From: "daniel johnson" 
>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Subject: CS>Ionized Vs Distilled water 
>Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 03:14:36 + 
> 
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 I have a question that may be easily answered.  In the (hopeful) production of colloidal silver, with a 31v DC unit, which type of water is best or recommended.  From what I have read, deionized water is a better start solution due to the minimized ionization.  I have also heard that with a unit such as mine, distilled water is advantageous due to the fact that the process of ionization and production of colloidal silver is more rapid.  Keep in mind that my goal is to obtain the smallest particle size as well as a positive charge.
 My theory is that by starting with hot water I should be able to use deionized water and still get a reaction in due time.  I boil the water and start the process shortly after.  Should cooler water be used?  Am I producing larger particles by using hot water or am I just speeding up the process?  
 I wonder if the most important thing is getting the lowest reading possible on a PWT or TDS meter.  From what I understand a reading of 2.0 or lower is acceptable?  I have also heard only below 1.0 should be used. 

 I have added on a few additional questions that may be related in some way.  I am new at this and appreciate any input on production.

Thanks all,

Dan 

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CS>Re: CS & H2O2

Second try - Maybe there was a glitch and the first one dropped in the 
bit bucket.

Hi Julie,

  I'm surprised  to find that some people recommend H2O2  as  a health
  cure. The  reason for the gag response is that hydrogen  peroxide is
  part of the respiration cycle. It is toxic and the body tries to get
  rid of  it as soon as possible. Naturally, it doesn't want  more, so
  you gag when you try to drink it.

  As with  anything, you have to sift through  the  available evidence
  and make  up your own mind. I attach little  importance  to articles
  written by someone trying to sell something.

  If I can find independant articles that seem to say the same general
  thing, I  feel that carries more weight. In the case of  H2O2, there
  is a  wealth of information that indicates it may  be  harmful. Here
  are some links I found:

  Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging Part I

  http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_1.htm

  Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part II

  http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_2.htm

  Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part III

  http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_3.htm

  Oxygen Free Radicals and Mitochondrial Mutation

  http://vector.cshl.org/geneticorigins/mito/theory4.html

  Reactive Oxygen Species and Antioxidant Vitamins

  http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/f-w97/reactive.html

  Here's one  with   pictures   showing   where   H2O2  occurs  in the
  respiration cycle: Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS)

  http://www.rndsystems.com/asp/g_sitebuilder.asp?bodyId=222

  Regards,

  Mike Monett


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CS>Re: CS & Dosing Animals

2001-10-20 Thread Black

Langsley,
By "documented cases" I meant cases of first hand personal experience, some
I have read on Colloidal Silver Discovery Center Yahoo Clubs forum.
I would not expect CS to eradicate heartworms but it could help the dog not
become as debilitated from their effects as it otherwise would.  I would try
the Holistic Pet site, join their forum where you could ask the question
regarding heartworms treatment.  They have a participating vet, Dr. Dodd who
would give you as much help as anyone I can think of.  The address is
probably www. holisticpet.com, if not do a search on holistic pet.  Alot of
valuable info for all aspects of animal health .
Good luck,
Nancy...

- Original Message -
From: Langsley Russell 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: CS & Dosing Animals


> Hi Nancy.
>
> You said: "First I don't know if you know there are documented cases of CS
> curing
> Parvo, so that is the main thing I would give the pups."
>
> Do you have access to the documented parvo cures of which you speak, or
> could you direct me to that documentation?
>
> I'm always on the lookout for *documented* cases of cures using
"alternative
> methods. I'm also looking for any information anybody may have on using CS
> to treat heartworm in dogs.
>
> Thanks.
>
> LTR  }}:{(
> Langsley T Russell
> Bulloved Bulldogs
> bullo...@nitline.com
> http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/The-Holistic-Bulldogger
> http://www.bullovedbulldogs.com/
>
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Re: CS>Shingles and Colloidal Silver

In a message dated 10/19/2001 9:47:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
add.automat...@sympatico.ca writes:


> Now I'm curious to find out if you know of anyone has posted here who has 
> used H2O2 and can correlate the eradication of some problem to ionic cs?
> 
> I really don't want to start a thread on this. I'm sure it has already 
> been beaten to death. I'm just looking for some additional clues to mull 
> over to help understand why cs works so well.
> 
> It's good to meet you. Thanks for your input.
> 
> BTW, I see you had the same trouble as I did trying to remember the 
> phrase sub-lingual absorption.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Michael R. Monett
> 

Michael: We're in the process of trying to answer that question with our 
Gatorade/CS study now in progress. Roger

Re: CS>cs and h2o2

Hi Jason,

  I'm really disappointed they decided to add that page for beginners.
  They do  not  give adequate information for anyone  to  evaluate the
  health risk.

  They also  fail  to  insist   that   anyone  taking  H2O2  also take
  antioxidants. Here is a quote from http://stopcancer.com/oxygen.htm

  

  "Hydroxyl radicals  are  the  most  dangerous  of  all  of  the free
  radicals. They  are  formed when super oxide  and  hydrogen peroxide
  react together.  They  are extremely reactive  and  will  attack any
  molecule around them".

  Taken from "Antioxidants Made Simple" by Dr. Bruce B. Miller

  Caution:

  Antioxidants and  hydrochlori  c acid (HLC) should be  taken  if the
  hydrogen peroxide  formula  is  going to  be  used  successfully and
  without damage to the cells .

  

  Please see my other post to Julie giving links to articles on ROS.

  Take care of yourself.

  Regards,

  Mike Monett


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CS>PENICILLIN "G" CLARIFICATION

2001-10-20 Thread brooks bradley

I would like to emphasize I was not recommending anyone's use of this 
substance, just relating cost comparisons.  Secondly, I made no suggestions as 
to any possible protocol.when actually using this material.
I believe you will find that all veterinary injectables are 
manufactured to the same government standards..as are those used for human 
applications.  A majority of manufacturers simply utilize different 
labels...at the end of the bottling line.
As a point-in-fact our research does "not" confirm that stomach acids 
destroy the efficacy of Penicillin "G"--when administered 
orallyothers may have experienced differing results.  Our blood 
analyses consistently reveal
very effective levels of concentration...both in animal and volunteer human 
subjects-who have orally ingested Penicillin "G"..in quite high 
volumes.  Our estimates are that at least 75% of the active substance survives 
the transport experience from the alimentary system into the blood stream.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.

CS>Re: CS & H2O2

Hi Julie,

  I'm surprised  to find that some people recommend H2O2  as  a health
  cure. The  reason for the gag response is hydrogen peroxide  is part
  of the respiration cycle. It is toxic and the body tries to  get rid
  of it  as soon as possible. Naturally, it doesn't want more,  so you
  gag when you try to drink it.

  As with  anything, you have to sift through  the  available evidence
  and make  up your own mind. I attach little  importance  to articles
  written by someone trying to sell something.

  If I can find independant articles that seem to say the same general
  thing, I  feel that carries more weight. In the case of  H2O2, there
  is a  wealth of information that indicates it may  be  harmful. Here
  are some links I found:

  Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging Part I

  http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_1.htm

  Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part II

  http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_2.htm

  Oxygen Free Radicals and Aging: Part III

  http://intelegen.com/nutrients/free_radicals_and_aging_3.htm

  Oxygen Free Radicals and Mitochondrial Mutation

  http://vector.cshl.org/geneticorigins/mito/theory4.html

  Reactive Oxygen Species and Antioxidant Vitamins

  http://www.orst.edu/dept/lpi/f-w97/reactive.html

  Here's one  with   pictures   showing   where   H2O2  occurs  in the
  respiration cycle: Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS)

  http://www.rndsystems.com/asp/g_sitebuilder.asp?bodyId=222

  Regards,

  Mike Monett


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RE: CS>Welcome!

2001-10-20 Thread Quietcove


Hi Marshalee,

Thank you for sharing your story. How much CS did you
use a day before you really started getting relief from the
Lyme symptoms. I know several people with Lyme, so it would
be a help. Thanks for any info.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: Marshalee Hallett [mailto:liah...@utah-inter.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:14 AM
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Subject: Re: CS>Welcome!


Dear Newbies, Hi, and welcome from an oldie on this newsgroup! My name is
Marshalee,
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I now have 2 missions in life, working on the genealogy, and sharing the CS
information with all who will listen!
Love,
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CS>Re: CS & H2O2

  >Usually, I don't want the 'stomach' reaction that is often present when 
using >H2O2 therapy orally.  No need to upset the stomach at all.

  Jason ~

  Years ago I'd put out poison for rats when we lived in the city.  Our dog 
caught and ate one and I was paranoid it might have been poisoned.  I called 
the vet and they advised to administer 1 tsp. H202, which I did, and within 
seconds he vomited the whole rat up.  Anytime you need to vomit, H202 is a sure 
method!  Blech!

  Julie & Critters

Re: CS>Penn G - CS Dog Doseage

Nancy,

We've cured parvo with Parvaid and herbs.  I spoke to a woman yesterday who
has used CS to cure parvo and I've also heard of people curing it with plain
old pepto bismol.  Lots of work and time, but beats the heck out of a
$700-1200 vet bill for one pup and still the possibility it might not
survive.

Julie & Critters

> Julie,
> Glad to hear the pups are improving.  I think this is incontrivertible
proof
> that CS is the way to go for Parvo in dogs.  can you imagine how much $
> would be saved if every dog owner knew about this?  Of course, it might
also
> mean a few less Mercedes in the vets' garages.
>
> Nancy...



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Re: CS>Penn-G

2001-10-20 Thread CKing001

If you look, you'll probably notice that you have no coating on your tongue
anymore either. Thus, taste is improved and halitosis eliminated.

Chuck
What do macrobiotic cats eat?   Brown mice!

On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:51:59 -0700, Ode Coyote  wrote:

>My dentist and I have found this to be true. [But he continues to swear
>that I'm following his protocal...brush, floss, flouride... to the letter
>when actually, I'm not doing any of it]
> Same old neglect + CS as mouthwash = no plaque, tarter or new cavities 3
>years running.
>Ken

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Re: CS>Penn G - CS Dog Doseage

2001-10-20 Thread Black

Julie,
Glad to hear the pups are improving.  I think this is incontrivertible proof
that CS is the way to go for Parvo in dogs.  can you imagine how much $
would be saved if every dog owner knew about this?  Of course, it might also
mean a few less Mercedes in the vets' garages.

Nancy...

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From: wolfcreek1 
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Penn G - CS Dog Doseage


> > If I'm administering CS to my dog (approximately 50 lbs.) orally--not in
> her water--do I give the same amount?  It doesn't matter?
>
> Thelma ~
>
> Haven't made enough CS on my own yet, but plan to keep it in all waterers,
> till I see what benefits it provides.  I treated the parvo pups in their
> waterer with a liberal tbsp. in 2 cups of water.  I also administered 4-5
> drops orally a few times/day of the 500 ppm.  The pup who relapsed and
> improved the quickest was ALWAYS drinking the water and peeing constantly
> and forever.  I was constantly having to replace the water!  I would say,
> any which way you want to do it.  Remember tho, it sterilizes the water as
a
> side benefit, so you might want to try it both ways and/or topically as
> well.
>
> You can go easy at first and see if you note benefits, then give more
> liberally if you don't or give liberally initially and back off as she
> improves...decisions, decisions, but no matter, you will see improvement.
>
> Julie & Critters
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>cs and h2o2

Shirley:

Although it may appear confusing at first, you may want to take a look at
the program I wrote to determine concentration strengths for colloidal
silver and hydrogen peroxide.

http://silverdata.20m.com/conversionform2.html

In your example, if you take two drops of hydrogen peroxide and add it to a
dropper ( say 10 drops contained in the dropper ) then you would have a .5%
hydrogen peroxide solution, which is still very potent when considering use
in the body.

To use the form, load it, and enter 2 in the first box in the upper left
hand corner.  Change the ounces box ( drop down menu ) to drops. In the top
right hand box, you enter the strength of the H2O2.  In this case, 3 for 3%.
In some cases, it might be 11 or 35.

In the right hand box, second one down, you enter the amount of colloidal
silver, or distilled water, or whatever the H2O2 is going into.  In the
example... a dropper.. which we say just for a number is ten total drops.
So enter 10.  You can ignore the PPM for the colloidal silver ( I had
thought I wrote the code for the calculation, but apparently I didn't
yet! ).  If there is no hydrogen peroxide ALREADY in the colloidal silver,
leave the box on the right side, second field down, at zero.

Press the calculate button.

The page will rewrite itself with your new concentration, letting you know
how strong the H2O2 concentration is.

there is another variant of this form @
http://silverdata.20m.com/conversionform.html

YOU REALLY want to get below .0288% for use in the body, unless you are a
brave soul with PLENTY of experience!

If you are unfamiliar with hydrogen peroxide use internally, you may want to
view:

http://silverdata.20m.com/h2o2.html


Jason



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To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:46 AM
Subject: CS>cs and h2o2


>
> So if I want to use cs in the ear for ear, tonsil,
> sinus, tooth, etc. infections then I only want, say,
> maybe one or two drops of peroxide (3%) to a
> dropperful of cs??  Does that sound about right?   The
> cs is much better for anything in the head than is the
> peroxide.  At least for us.  The peroxide was good,
> but the cs is incredibly good.   pj
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Re: CS>Full? Sine? Half?

Here, let me try! Hopefully I can unravel the mostly semantic 
difficulties you guys're having in this discussion.

Disclaimer: NEVER play around with house current like I'm going to 
describe here unless you know what you are doing around electricity and 
take appropriate safety precautions!!! I don't intend any of this 
discussion to be practical advice! You have been WARNED!

If we start with an AC 60 Herts, 110 volt sinusoidal source, there are 
several things we can say about it.

First, the source voltage will rise from 0 to positive something, back 
through 0, and to the same amount negative, before completing one 
cycle of the sine wave. The voltage at the peaks is not 110, but a 
higher number so that, when you average the amount of voltage across 
the entire cycle, the number works out to 110, which is the amount of 
useful voltage available to drive current through a load over time.

That's where the ubiquitous factor of 1.4 comes in. It's approximately 
the ratio of average voltage to peak voltage for half of a cycle. For 
our example it gives you that 154 volts you heard about.

So if we look at the voltage of our source on an oscilloscope, you'll
see the familiar sine wave. However, if you check the calibration of
the vertical axis, you'll discover that the voltage swings between
about 154 volts and -154 volts and back again, following that graceful
sine curve. 

This pulls electrons back and forth in the wire, each half cycle 
undoing the "work" of the last in terms of moving electrons, but with 
both half cycles yielding power to the load -- which averages out to 
110V times whatever average Amps flow which equals power in watts.

If you want to talk about it that way, you can say that there is a 
"Peak to Peak" voltage of 154 times 2 or 308 V p-p. That's not a 
particularly valuable number, since there's never 308 volts between any 
two spots at any given time. It's just the dimension of the total 
height of the sine wave on the oscilloscope tube.

Now, to try to make DC from this. Put a diode in one leg of our source 
and you can imagine what happens. Look at the output on the 
oscilloscope and you'll see the voltage spends half it's time on the 
flat line that our formerly graceful sine wave used to twine itself 
about. Half it's soothing curve has been cut off as if with scissors!

The voltage starts from 0, goes through half a sine wave with a peak 
voltage of 154 volts, then goes back to 0 and stays there, dead, for 
the remaining half cycle. If you think about it, obviously only half of 
the power is available and, in fact, if you calulate or measure the 
*average* voltage over time, it's been cut in half to 55 volts. 

It's now a 110v peak to peak signal, if you're honest about it, but 
now it's pulsating direct current, since electrons are moving in only 
one direction, and that, only half the time. The surviving half cycle 
performs just as much work as each half cycle of our original AC 
signal, but it's pulling the cart by itself. 

(Ain't anthropomorphism fun?) 

This is called half-wave rectification.

The next step is to give our struggling half-wave back it's partner, 
but get them pulling together in the same direction because we 
happen to want DC instead of AC.

Put what's called a "full wave rectifier" or "bridge rectifier" across 
the original voltage source, and you'll neatly get both halves of our 
sine wave back, but now they're *both* going in the same direction.

Once again, the 154 volt peak occurs, twice per cycle, but now both 
times of the same polarity. Just as much energy is available to do 
actual work as our original sine wave, but instead of the electrons 
travelling back and forth in the wire, they're driven in surges in one 
direction only. This is full-wave rectification.

So if you look at the oscilloscope display, you'll see the bump, bump, 
bump, bump, of both half cycles right after another, instead of the 
bump, pause, bump, pause, of half wave rectified DC.

Okay, you probably know that much already. Here's where we start 
playing with capacitors. Capacitors are basically two sheets of metal 
separated by some kind of good insulator. Jam electrons into one side, 
or plate, and they electrostatically repell electrons out the other 
side. 

Think of a water filled pressure vessel with a rubber diaphragm in the
middle. Pressurize one side with a garden hose and some of the water
in the other half is forced out. If you think about it, with clever use 
of valves, you can actually use this capacitor/pressure vessel thingie 
to *store* some pressure -- or electrical charge.

And that's what we use it for in our circuit.

If you put a capacitor accross the output of *EITHER* of our two 
rectified voltage sources, you'll get exactly the same thing. Each time 
the voltage swings up to it's peak of 154V, the capacitor will charge 
up to that same voltage.

However, one more detail rears its ugly head here. Without any kind of 
*LOAD* attached, there's nothin

CS>cs and h2o2

2001-10-20 Thread Shirley Reed


So if I want to use cs in the ear for ear, tonsil,
sinus, tooth, etc. infections then I only want, say,
maybe one or two drops of peroxide (3%) to a
dropperful of cs??  Does that sound about right?   The
cs is much better for anything in the head than is the
peroxide.  At least for us.  The peroxide was good,
but the cs is incredibly good.   pj

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Re: CS>Treating eyes

2001-10-20 Thread Nina Silver

- Original Message -
From: Connie 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: CS>Treating eyes

> make a CS/eyebright tea for my kits with eye issues.
> Via double boiler method I heat the CS, add 1 tbls. of eyebright (herb),
> steep for tea, filter the brew.
> Keep some for bathing the eyes with cotton pad, another in a glass dropper
> bottle for putting directly into the eyes.

List,
Two questions:

1) Does heating CS reduce its effectivenes or alter it in any way?

2) Is there really any reason to filter it, other than eliminating large
particles from the solution?

Thanks.
Nina Colloid (my new nickname on this list)

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Re: CS>Penn-G

2001-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote

My dentist and I have found this to be true. [But he continues to swear
that I'm following his protocal...brush, floss, flouride... to the letter
when actually, I'm not doing any of it]
 Same old neglect + CS as mouthwash = no plaque, tarter or new cavities 3
years running.
Ken

...another says she doesn't need to have her teeth cleaned at
>the dentist anymore, as CS removes plaque and all bacteria. 

 



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CS>flea allergy...was, Following the money: Anthrax

2001-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote

 CS has helped my cat who had bad flea allergy lesions. It doesn't do
anything for the flea bites..it just stops them from growing into big
scabs. Hydrocortisone shots eliminated the flea allergy response, but she
peed blood for months. Not so good.
 She gets a big dose every morning with her 'stinky food'.
 Cats and dogs also seem to prefer CS water over plain water.
Ken

>Oh...I'm new to the list.  I know nothing about CS but am interested--not so 
>much for Anthrax and all the "threats on 'civilization'[SIC]", but because I 
>have a dog who started out with a bad flea allergy, exacerbated by exposure 
>to molds and fungi in Northern California, and further magnified by rabies 
>boosters when I took her to India.  On her return--three years after the 
>India rabies shot--I gave her a rabies shot to protect her from a rash of 
>rabid possums and raccoons, the flea allergies--which had disappeared for 
>four years--reappeared, gave her ID-1 (bovine colostrum) and she nearly died 
>from a severe immune system reaction.  Super Blue-Green Algae brought her 
>back to life but has not solved the problem.
>
>I don't understand most of what you folks are talking about, so I'll shut up 
>now and see how much I can absorb before asking my (inevitable) questions.
>
>Thelma
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Re: CS>DIY Calibration standard

2001-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote

Well, they ARE junk! So's my car, but I drive it and it usually gets me close to where I want to go.
Junk isn't always useless...just gotta recognize the limitations and decide how much they matter to you.
In the case of CS, considering that there are no standards as regards to doseage [and probably none needed] and ALL of it seems to work to some degree or other, they [meters] do OK. They give you a relative "idea" of what you have compared to what you had before. So do your taste buds and eyeballs.
That's better than nothing and I , myself, do it.
But to use a PPM meter to compare between your CS and someone elses, then use that info to argue about it can be really tricky.

To say, 10PPM by meter, light TE, pale yellow color has no real quantification because that statement is 3 relative *opinions* about what #ion to colloid ratio, pale and light# is, but it can be an, at least useful, discription.

To say 10PPM without saying how it was measured, is not.

Meter readings can easily be 50% off from reality. Meters read lot closer to YOUR reality than anothers [IF you have any idea about what your reality really is because just a few degrees in room temperature yields different results..then there's differences in water, battery strength and so on, in YOUR production and storage environment].
To say 10PPM [by meter reading] allows for some latitude in discussion that includes "It *looks* like this... vs... it *is* this"

My car just looks like junk. [to someone else]

Ken

At 11:18 PM 10/19/01 +1000, you wrote:

In Digest #949, Ode Coyote wrote:
"The ionic concentration will be as variable as the process and can change over night as well. Batches must be run exactly alike for a degree of uniformity and there are a lot of environmental and electrical variables. Ken"

Ken, are we talking the same thing? You seem to be talking about difficulty in predicting the PPM outcome for a run, while I was referring to a simple means of determining PPM after the run, after it has all settled down. If you're saying that can't be effectively done, then all those PWT meters are junk, I guess.

regards, Kevin

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CS>Re: CS & H2O2

2001-10-20 Thread Annhope1


> <>

Jason,
Thanks for this info.  When I would feel the oncoming of a cold/sore throat, 
I was using CS and H202 separately, this sure makes it easier!  

Terri

CS>Treating eyes

2001-10-20 Thread Connie

Humorous Dogs Stationery from StationeryCentralI make a CS/eyebright tea for
my kits with eye issues.
Via double boiler method I heat the CS, add 1 tbls. of eyebright (herb),
steep for tea, filter the brew.
Keep some for bathing the eyes with cotton pad, another in a glass dropper
bottle for putting directly into the eyes.
I rescued an orphan who's mama was killed in front of the house here a few
weeks ago.
Cleared up her eyes in less than 24 hours.
This same little girl had an injection of CS (subQ) before being allowed
freedom in my home with my pedigree kits.

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CS>RE: CS & H2O2

> Mike:

  > At this  time, I must conclude that ionic silver works,  and works
  > well. That's not to say I don't think particle silver has benefits
  > as well. Luckily, most processes that people use contain both.

  > With H2O2, the easiest test for benefit is against ear infections.
  > There IS a synergistic effect that can be demonstrated in combined
  > use. Normally, those who use hydrogen peroxide in the ears  use it
  > at 3%  strength. Adding a few drops of colloidal silver  to  a 1/2
  > ounce of 3% hydrogen peroxide certainly causes a noticeable change
  > when the H2O2 CS mixture reaches the infection. In fact, with more
  > severe infections,  it can be painful! The solution is to  cut the
  > 3% H2O2  down to about 1.5%. I have yet to meet  an  ear infection
  > that did not respond incredibly well.

  > If I  make  a batch of colloidal silver with  the  9  volt battery
  > method (where  quite a bit of particle silver is deposited  in the
  > distilled water),  and  use   a   glass  dropper  to  extract some
  > colloidal silver to another container, then use that  same dropper
  > to siphon  some  H2O2,  a reaction is very  evident  in  the glass
  > dropper. I know that many believe that particle silver  is ionized
  > through this  process. At this point, I tend to agree.  When using
  > colloidal silver  internally, if I want the added  benefit  of the
  > H2O2, I only use an incredibly miniscule amount of H2O2 In the
  > range of  an  end solution with .0015 -  ~.05%  hydrogen peroxide.
  > Usually, I don't want the 'stomach' reaction that is often present
  > when using  H2O2 therapy orally. No need to upset  the  stomach at
  > all.

  > Clearly more  work needs to be done in this area - but  it  is all
  > fascinating.

  Jason,

  Thank you  for  your   excellent   post.   I   took  the  liberty of
  reformatting it to make it easier to read.

  Your suggestion  sounds very useful. I will get  some.  Also, thanks
  for the  warning on taking it internally. I don't plan  to  do that,
  but having  the extra strength for external  infections  sounds very
  desirable.

  Thanks for the good info!

  Mike Monett


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Re: CS>Snorting Saltwater with CS

2001-10-20 Thread John Thorp


Steven Geigle wrote:

   Will "snorting" saltwater (saline solution
sniffed forcefully up the nostrils) as allergists
  recommend create problems if CS is added to the
solution?  Will silver chloride be
  generated?  Will the CS remain separate and
effective in killing germs in the sinus cavities
  using this method?   I've snorted saline for
years and find it quite effective in keeping the
  sinus cavities clear.

Been doing it for about 25 years everytime a
shower is taken, no salt there.
John in Homestead





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Re: CS>Re: CS & H2O2

Ann:

There is a reaction that takes place in the mixture.  I make mine to use on 
demand, about a week supply.  I am not sure what the shelf life of the 
concoction is, but the colloidal silver certainly doesn't go "bad", the H2O2 is 
just slowly eliminated.
  - Original Message - 
  From: annho...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:42 AM
  Subject: CS>Re: CS & H2O2

  With H2O2, the easiest test for benefit is against ear infections.  There IS 
a synergistic effect that can be demonstrated in combined use.  Normally, those 
who use hydrogen peroxide in the ears use it at 3% strength.  Adding a few 
drops of colloidal silver to a 1/2 ounce of 3% hydrogen peroxide certainly 
causes a noticeable change when the H2O2 CS mixture reaches the infection.  In 
fact, with more severe infections, it can be painful!  The solution is to cut 
the 3% H2O2 down to about 1.5%.  I have yet to meet an ear infection that did 
not respond incredibly well.

  Jason or anyone, 
  Do you mix this for a one time application?  Or can you mix CS and H202 and 
use when needed?What is the approx. shelf life of this mixture?   Was 
wondering if H202 would loose its "fizzle" in storage. 
  Thanks 
  Terri

Re: CS>Stainless Steel

2001-10-20 Thread boberger

Hi Grant.

I have made a six electrode CS generator with the three anodes of silver and
three anodes made out of brass welding rod.

NO problems.

"Ole Bob"




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Re: CS>You are NOT gonna believe this!!!

2001-10-20 Thread Nina Silver

- Original Message -
From: d.linen 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: CS>You are NOT gonna believe this!!!

> Stories like this make me wonder if that wasn't the purpose in the first
> place. 60 is pretty pricy and for only 4 ounces too. Where does MSNBC
> get its information anyway? It's totally erroneous.

Maybe this organization is a government misinformation plant. You never
know.

Colloid

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Re: CS>Shingles and Colloidal Silver

> Mike,

  > The chloride  is used up in the CS process in just a  few seconds.
  > It can  be  seen as a white cloud coming off of  the  anode. After
  > that point then the Ag+ ion is formed.

  > That is why it works.

  > The LVDC process makes both ionic and particulate silver. The T.E.
  > that one sees is reflections of large particles. Ionic  silver has
  > no T.E.

  > H2O2 when added to yellow silver changes it to clear.

  > "Ole Bob"

  Bob,

  I am so glad you posted. In my introduction to cs, I was told to add
  a teaspoon of lake salt to the cs.

  This did not work at all, and I could not figure out how anyone else
  got it to work. So I had to learn out by trial and error how  to get
  something that looked useful. Using plain distilled water  seemed to
  do the trick, but I had to buy a bottle of every brand I  could find
  to locate  the best one. This also taught me to  always  monitor the
  current with a VOM to spot problems like getting a bottle  of spring
  water by mistake.

  The early  misinformation  has warped my  understanding  of  cs ever
  since. Your post answered a lot of nagging questions.

  It also  promted  me  to  take   a  closer  look  at  Mark Metcalf's
  "BANISHING DISEASE WITH THREE 9-VOLT BATTERIES - PART 1"

  http://business.fortunecity.com/ellrd/490/banish1.html

  He states

"Saline solution  can be made by mixing approximately  four ounces
of distilled water with half a teaspoon of sea salt in  a separate
container. Do not use common table salt as table salt has chemical
additives. After  stirring  the salt solution for  a  minute, pour
some of the water into an eye dropper bottle."

"Now you're  ready to make Colloidal Silver. Pour eight  ounces of
distilled water into your glass. Add two or three drops  of saline
solution to water and stir with a  plastic/non-conductive utensil.
If you  use  too much salt, you'll be  making  silver  chloride as
well. Silver  chloride is by definition the precipitation  of salt
crystals within  the  solution  which fall to  the  bottom  of the
glass. While  not  recommended,  silver  chloride  is  an inactive
chemical and cannot harm you."

  So the trick was to add salt to a separate solution, and take  a few
  drops to  the cs as a starter. That explains the  error.  The person
  forgot to mention that step.

  Thank you  for  the   epiphany.   Your  explanation  undid  years of
  confusion!

  Regards,

  Mike Monett


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Re: CS>Welcome!

2001-10-20 Thread Marshalee Hallett

Dear Newbies, Hi, and welcome from an oldie on this newsgroup! My name is
Marshalee, and I`m still alive thanks to Colloidal Silver. I`m currently a
returned student at Brigham Young University at age 49. I took a short break
(29 years!) to raise 4 kids. I`m studying to become a professional
Genealogist.I promised several folks to tell my story, but didn`t have the
time until now, as last week was midterms.
 Anyway, here it is:
 In the summer of 1990 I was living in Arkansas, where I was bitten by a
tiny tick on my lower leg. When I got the bullseye rash I knew what it was,
as I`d read an article about Lyme Disease in a magazine. So I went to the
doctor, who knew nothing about LD, and he undertreated me.
So the Lyme kept recurring. (Whenever I stopped the doxycycline, in a few
days I`d be back into active LD. This happened 6 times in nearly 6 years.)
Well, by that time I was living in Wisconsin, and the doc there refused to
believe that Lyme can withstand ABX and maddeningly refused to even look at
the computer info. I had brought that showed it can. He then refused to give
me any more doxy. In a few months I was dreadfully ill.
So finally I asked the Good Lord to either let me die soon, or help me to
get rid of the LD so I can do my beloved Genealogy. He heard me!
A couple of weeks later I got a letter from an old high school buddy. She`d
gotten a box in the mail, and on papers used as packing was some writing.
Curious, she read it. It was Mark Metcalf`s info. on CS: what it was, and
how to make it! It mentioned Lyme as one of the diseases it can cure, so she
sent the info. to me. My son and I went all over Kenosha and Racine, looking
for silver wire, found some, put the gadget together, and wihin 3 days of
starting the CS, I noticed that I felt a lot better! For the first time in
weeks I could shut my teeth properly, I could think clearly again, and my
joints weren`t aching. It took about 7 months for most of the damage to
heal. What a wonderful thing!
I have since used CS for numerous UTI`s caused by gallbladder removal, as
the Lyme had destroyed my GB. Any time I`d feel a cold coming on, I knew it
was time for fresh batteries.
I also take some every day as a preventive, which is fortunate, for I was
bitten by (possibly Brown Recluse) spiders while in Vallejo, CA. I have some
marks, not skin grafts, thanks to the CS.
I also give it to my Pug dogs and birds. It stopped a vet-diagnosed case of
Giardia in a baby cockatiel.
 I now have 2 missions in life, working on the genealogy, and sharing the CS
information with all who will listen!
Love,
Marshalee Hallett, mom to 4 and grandma to 4, 3 living.




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CS>Re: CS/cancer pets

2001-10-20 Thread Annhope1


>  Im very interested if anyone here has used it for treatment of cancer in 
> their pets.
> The cancer is fibrocarcinoma.   How has it been used , what dosage for an 
> 80 lb dog and can a good quality be bought at a health food store. >>

Wanda,
I recently sent a friend of mine some CS for her dog.  The dog has a 
grapefruit size tumor on/around his pancreas. The vets have offered to put 
the dog down. My friend was willing to try anything and had no knowledge of 
CS.  
She said after a few days treatment of CS, approx. a T. in the morn,  he 
seems like a new dog, eating, etc.  Maybe the CS has taken care of some 
lesser issues and made him feel better?  Whatever the reason, she has 
increased his dosage to twice a day and hoping for a miracle. 
You can replace the water in your dogs bowl with straight CS or give it by 
mouth, both of which I have done on numerous occasions with my cats.  

 Personally, I would not buy CS at the health food store.  Its very expensive 
and for the price of a few bottles, you can make your own.  You'll want to 
start making your own anyhow as CS has endless uses.
Terri

Re: CS>Tough sledding!

Um, now that I look at it, that series of articles seems to have more to 
do with the electrolysis of water and silver, just as the title suggests.

Now I'm sure I came across another set from Bob Lee discussing 
colloidal silver and the effect in body chemistry. I will look for it and 
add it to this list if I can find it. Searching through 41,000+ files 
give a lot of hits no matter what search phrase you are looking for.

If anyone else has already done the search, please post the info.

Sorry for misleading everyone on the subject. But thanks for asking for 
the links.

Regards,

Mike Monett


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CS>Just joined

2001-10-20 Thread Lionel Pepin

Hi, I just joined the list and am very interested in finding out more about 
colloidal silver.   Im very interested if anyone here has used it for treatment 
of cancer in their pets.
The cancer is fibrocarcinoma.   How has it been used , what dosage for an 80 lb 
dog and can a good quality be bought at a health food store.  What results we 
achieved by using CS.
Wanda

Re: CS>Tough sledding!

Jan wrote:

  > Please will  you point me in the direction of Bob  Lee's treatise?
  > I'd like to have a go at sledding!

  > Jan

  Hi Jan,

  Here are  the links to Bob Lee's Electrolysis of  water  and silver,
  Parts 1..8.  I'm  sure someone must have posted them  before,  but I
  could not find any reference.

  The latter half of the series generated considerable discussion with
  threads branching off in all directions. This makes it  difficult to
  find the  original. I double checked the files to be sure, but  if I
  made a mistake, someone please correct me.

  Pt 1 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m19320.html

  Pt 2 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m19553.html

  Pt 3 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m19705.html

  Pt 4 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m19747.html

  Pt 5 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m19879.html

  Pt 6 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m20134.html

  Pt 7 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m20954.html

  Pt 8 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m22103.html

  Excellent reading for a cold winter's night.

  Best Regards,

  Mike Monett

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Re: CS>You are NOT gonna believe this!!!

2001-10-20 Thread d.linen

Stories like this make me wonder if that wasn't the purpose in the first
place. 60 is pretty pricy and for only 4 ounces too. Where does MSNBC
get its information anyway? It's totally erroneous. 

D.

Ted Windsor wrote:
> 
> What better way to get people to stop using CS.
> Ted
> 
> Robb Allen wrote:
> 
> > http://www.msnbc.com/news/645113.asp
> >
> > I just got this off of MSNBC..and the mention colloidal silver as
> > being "snake oil"..
> >Visitors were urged to buy a supply of colloidal silver  $59 for 4
> > ounces. There were accompanying claims that it kills 100 percent of all one
> > celled microorganisms ... including anthrax.
> >  The site making the claims lists a phone number in the U.K. that no one
> > answers, and an e-mail contact address that is invalid.
> >The Center for Disease Control describes the benefits of colloidal
> > silver as a myth, and studies have shown it actually can have dreadful side
> > effects, including turning skin a concrete gray color.
> >Clelandy says the FTC has recently brought two actions against Web
> > sites making exaggerated claims about the powers of colloidal silver, and it
> > is looking at other other sites making such claims.
> > Robb
> >
> > _
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> >
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CS>Re: CS & H2O2

2001-10-20 Thread Annhope1

With H2O2, the easiest test for benefit is against ear infections.  There IS 
a synergistic effect that can be demonstrated in combined use.  Normally, 
those who use hydrogen peroxide in the ears use it at 3% strength.  Adding a 
few drops of colloidal silver to a 1/2 ounce of 3% hydrogen peroxide 
certainly causes a noticeable change when the H2O2 CS mixture reaches the 
infection.  In fact, with more severe infections, it can be painful!  The 
solution is to cut the 3% H2O2 down to about 1.5%.  I have yet to meet an ear 
infection that did not respond incredibly well.

Jason or anyone,
Do you mix this for a one time application?  Or can you mix CS and H202 and 
use when needed?What is the approx. shelf life of this mixture?   Was 
wondering if H202 would loose its "fizzle" in storage.
Thanks
Terri

Re: CS>Stainless Steel

In a message dated 10/19/2001 3:14:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
rube2...@hotmail.com writes:

> Subj:Re: CS>Stainless Steel
> Date:10/19/2001 3:14:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:rube2...@hotmail.com (Robb Allen)
> Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I am just now doing my own tests on how this system will work for me.  I'm 
> using a 2 quart stainless measuring container with a stainless handle.  I'm 
> using a cool whip plastic lid with a small hole in the center for my 
> silver. 
>   The positive lead is connected to the container and the negative to the 
> silver.  I'm using 16 volts @ 2amps.  I just finished one hour and then 
> tested my CS.  It is Approximately 2ppm at this point with no floaters or 
> oxidation visible.  I just started my second hour.   Robb
> 

Robb: The Biggest danger, by far, in using a stainless steel container as one 
of the electrodes is having incorrect polarity. The positive lead goes to the 
silver (you want to OXIDIZE SILVER METAL, i.e., remove electrons from 
metallic silver to make ionic silver), and the NEGATIVE lead goes to the 
staonless steel. THROW OUT any batch that DOES NOT conform to this polarity. 
Roger

CS>Full? Sine? Half?

2001-10-20 Thread Terry Chamberlin

"half wave looks like a mountain peak followed by a
valley (zero volts). With full wave you have two
mountain tops with no valley in between."

How is a full-wave different from a sine-wave? I had
thought a full-wave WAS a sine-wave, a mountain peak
followed by an equal valley. I thought a half-wave was
a mountain peak followed by a flat plane (an AC that
isn't allowed to change polarity, so the bottom valley
is cut off).  

Also, I had understood that the molecules from the
negative silver wire (anode) were attracted to the
positive (cathode) wire? Isn't it the anode wire that
gets thinner and thinner? I may have it backwards, but
this is essential to get clear, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE
USING STAINLESS STEEL!

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CS>New to list

2001-10-20 Thread Glocat

Hello all!

I am new to the list.  My name is Glo, and I live in NW Montana.   I am very
glad to be added to the list.

My reason for being here?  I want to learn all I can about CS, and know this
is the best place to start.  I had heard about it years ago, but at that
time there really was not much information available.

I am very excited, and want to thank all of you in advance for sharing all
of your experience and knowledge.

Glo


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Re: CS>CS test message, please ignore...

> Hate doing live-testing on the list, but need to this time...
> 
> M.

I think that might have worked! Ha!

If you've never noticed, once in a while somebody posts a message with 
the letters CS at the beginning of the Subject line. The software 
that's set up to add the CS> tag to every message was screwing up and 
recognising "CS" as the tag already being there -- and doing nothing.

So we'd end up with message subjects like:

"CS question?" and "Re: CS question?"

... instead of the desired...

"CS>CS question?" and "Re: CS>CS question"

It's been bothering me for a while, so I finally took the time to try a 
solution. It'd only be a problem for folks who are sorting their 
incoming mail on the string CS> in the Subject line, or perfectionists 
like me. 

For those of you proficient in UNIX shell programming (which I'm not, 
by the way), I had to change the following line from this:

 * ! ^Subject: (Re:(\[[1-9]+\])? )?CS/> 

... to this:

 * ! ^Subject: (Re:(\[[1-9]+\])? )?CS> 

I thought I had to "escape" the trailing ">" to get it to match, but I 
didn't.

There's your little dose of UNIX-based mailing list management arcana 
for today!!! 

Be well,

Mike D.

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CS>CS test message, please ignore...

Hate doing live-testing on the list, but need to this time...

M.

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CS>Welcome!