Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread jrowland
Nancy writes:

> Why are we touting sea silver when CS does a much superior job for much less
> money?
>
Nobody's touting it; we're analyzing it; and besides, have you seen some
commercial prices for CS?  Yikes!
jr



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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread C Creel
Dear Nancy,


  You said:

<>


  I think the thread began after identifying SeaSilver as a vitamin and
mineral
supplement.  CS is wonderful for what you stated and more, but can't
really be used a vitamin and mineral supplement.

Regards,
Catherine


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CS>[Listowner] WOW! I'm back, finally!

2002-10-28 Thread M. G. Devour
Greetings everyone!

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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread MARIANO DELISE
Why are we touting sea silver when CS does a much superior job for much less
money?  Certainly if you drink 12-16 oz of CS slowly all day long, you will
great results with most auto immune diseases.
Nancy
- Original Message -
From: "Roxanne" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Sea Silver radio ad


>
> Hi Catherine,
>
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:25:38 -0500, "C Creel" 
> wrote:
>
> > There is one other product I do recommend to people whose primary
> >health challenge is long histories of depression, anxiety, bipolar
> disorder,
> >etc.
>
> Well, what is it??  :)
>
> -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF
>
>
> ///Yes I would like to know, I stopped taking meds over a year ago, and
> doctors both pdoc's and internist refuses to see me because I stopped.
> Long, long story.  I still have problems, but consider myself doing much
> better without their medicines.
>
> Roxanne
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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread Russ Rosser
I first heard of Sea Silver in '96 and they DID claim to add CS, originally!

Isn't 'Body Toddy' a product derived from the ancient shale excavated from
the Clark Mines (in Utah, I believe), IOW, a "colloidal mineral" product?

I'd love to have your opinion of the product I've opted for for several
years now, called Body Balance.  It's rich in natural, peptide-form minerals
because it contains juice from fresh-harvested seaweed (not prehistoric
depositions that were cooked by volcanic discharge).  I was convinced to try
it after seeing actual mineral profiles assayed by Western Labs, performed
on Body Balance and competitors that use Clark shale.  Those faxes are on my
website, www.survivalsystem.com (follow the Body Balance hyperlinks).
Thanks.

--Russ

- Original Message -
From: C Creel 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad


> < infomercial just to hear what exactly they mean by using "silver" in the
> name.  Seems it refers to 3 types of (unnamed) "sea vegetables that
> contain silver", and apparently no reference to or mention of CS, as I
> had previously assumed that it did contain..  Excellent sounding,
> carefully written promo, ending with..."$40/32 oz. bottle, no shipping
> charge today only, free book(let) included with the first 100 orders".
> The big deal with their product, as I understand it, is that the various
> vitamins/minerals/aloe/etc. are "totally dissolved", as opposed to
> pill-forms, of which they claim the body only snags 10% of, excreting
> the rest, "much to the chagrin of sewage plant operators, who can
> sometimes even read the pills' markings..." (I'm paraphrasing here).>>
>
>
>   I was given three bottles of SeaSilver by a distributor (I believe
> he was banking on me liking it and recommending it to patients).
>
> I've been taking SupraLife Ultra Body Toddy since 1996.
> I stopped taking the SupraLife product and began taking
> SeaSilver.  About 4 weeks into it, I began to feel not as well
> as I'd felt since taking the Toddy.  After 7 weeks, I knew I had
> to try the Toddy again.  In 3 days I was back to feeling normal.
> I took the last bottle of SeaSilver I had and gave it to someone
> who was just beginning the SupraLife product.  I recommended
> he do each for 2 weeks.  After the month, he felt very sure that
> the SupraLife product had supported him better than the SeaSilver.
>
>
>  I would never have been able to recommend SeaSilver anyway.
> The company refuses to give quantity of ingredients.
> It claims it can't because it changes.  This should still result in
> ranges they can state.  This kind of avoidance doesn't get any respect
> from me.
>
> Regards,
> Catherine
>
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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread Jannette McKoy-Abel
Yes, using Netscape I clicked on the flashing link, and the next link and
everything worked ok.  I then went back using IE and also had no problems.

Quackwatch; Hhhmmm.  Interesting!  I think that the ingredients should not
cost $250.00 p/mth for 8 months, then $150.00 thereafter!  Seems too
expensive for hog food to me.  If farmers paid these prices, would pork cost
less than $50.00 p/lb?  I think that they are making an unethical amount of
profit here.  I don't doubt that it works, as I do believe that nutritional
deficiencies can result in a sick liver, thyroid, brain etc.  I feel
personally blessed that my own nutritional deficiencies have not resulted in
a brain injury, although since I do have multiple Sclerosis, who knows?
Jannette



> http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/evaluation-1.html
>
> I did a google search to find them initially. Unfortunately, the first
page
> of the google search came up as much against them as proponents of them.
>
> I am using IE. Were you able to get the home page to work?
>
> I can view their home page, but clicking on anything there produces no
> results, just sits there on the homepage.
> Connie



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RE: CS>TDS/PWT meters

2002-10-28 Thread Malcolm Stebbins
Hey, stop barking!  RTFM; the fact that you can find a meter that reads 
over its nominal full scale - what it says on the 'range' dial that it is 
competent to read at that position of the 'range' switch - has nothing to 
do with lawyers or CYA.  The 'range' is not the  interval of values (call 
them numbers if you want, doesn't make any difference, ) to which the 
"percentage of full-scale" applies; the complete range of the instrument is 
divided into segments, each one of which is scaled as, for example, 
micro-volts, milli-volts, volts,  or micro-amps, milli-amps, etc.,  reading 
from minimum to . . .  guess what?? "Full Scale".
Only two things are truly important about it all, and you've got one of 
them dead on; if you want an accurate determination, get the right 
instrument, and get it calibrated to a standard that's valid to your 
measurement needs, which may cost Lots more than you want to pay; and for 
CS the taste test and the Tyndall effect are probably calibration enough 
for do-it-yourself  purposes - unless you're a mad scientist.


Take care, Malcolm the Mad Scientist
At 07:52 AM 10/27/02 -0800, you wrote:




>Hanna's spec reporting is industry standard.
>Full scale and range are two different things. The range is a
>description of an interval of numbers in which the unit will perform
>within spec. Full scale (reading) is largest number within the range.
 You just said that range and scale are not the same thing, then, that 
they are.
It would have been easy to have stated accuracy as +/- 2% within it's 
intended "range" ...not "full scale". which would make full scale 
irrelevant, but they didn't. Why would that be?
Perhaps Industry Standard 'Reporting' is as full of butt covers as a 
lawyers closet.
A covered butt can still toot in tune, [especially if faced off with a 
tuning fork before each performance] it just doesn't 'have' to.
The PWT does perform as we apply it better than expected but it's far from 
perfect. [it's not 'just' the meter]


CS is a very weird sort of water. The conductivity changes even in the 
same batch. The very act of measuring it seems to change it. [OK, call it 
stabilization. Will any two batches stabilize the same?]
The PWT might be great for testing salinity. Saline solutions are pretty 
stable.  CS?  Who knows?
Are we mixing our own metaphors? [Absolutely!  Measuring apple sauce to 
see how many oranges there are.]


I have not been 'happy' with ANY of the methods for measuring PPM 
including the various ways that labs do it.  I also know it doesn't matter 
that much as long as we stay within a nebulous range of common sense.
We're not feeding it into a computer. It doesn't take a furniture maker to 
adequately frame a house.
I won't let something like that ruin my day. It's just no big deal..like 
an apple to an elephant.
But it does take some explaining to those who want precise numbers and 
can't get them.
People expect and demand certainty and tend to get certainty from people 
who will give it to them whether or not there really is any. Then they 
wonder why so many people say so many different things and why their 
results don't exactly match any of the statements.
Not enough butt covers leads to em-bare-ass-ment? {Sure. That's the way 
the real weird world of comparisons works}


Does PHD stand for piled high deniability?

The mountain, to the ant vs the elephant, is but a matter of relative time 
and awareness.  Neither probably gives a hoot, being focused on eating the 
apples and oranges found along the way. But an apple to an elephant is a 
morsal while it's a mountain of food to an ant. [something worth fighting 
over]


Moral to the story:
  The CS you like the best is the best CS.
If there's some way to make something different, 'that' may become the 
best CS that you like best.
Batch to batch repeatability is more important than person to person 
comparison. In that, a Hanna meter does OK and the PWT does that better 
than the other Hanna meters no matter what the specs say or how they read.
It would seem that everything having to do with CS is subjectively 
relative, CS still does what it does and it's hard to hurt yourself with 
it if ANY degree of common sense is employed.

Common sense doesn't rely on specific numbers.
Being 'more right' doesn't make anyone totally wrong.

The world is clearly confused. Why not admit that nothing is what it looks 
like?

Ken

It stands to reason, then reason wobbles around its eccentricity.
>
>
>The absolute determination of ppm as silver ions etc. may be
>difficult, but the measurement of conductivity is not. Discrepancies
>between different meters can be overcome by multi-point calibration
>within the expected range.
## The tuning fork.  If one was not used, don't even 'think' about an 
arguement...then think twice about apples and oranges.
Discrepencies are not entirely due to the instrumentation, however, Hanna 
could have stated their specs without mixing them up.

>

>
>A mountain to an ant i

Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread Connie
http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/evaluation-1.html

I did a google search to find them initially. Unfortunately, the first page
of the google search came up as much against them as proponents of them.

I am using IE. Were you able to get the home page to work?
 
I can view their home page, but clicking on anything there produces no
results, just sits there on the homepage.
Connie




> Connie,
> Areyou using Internet Explorer?  The page will only open in IE.  Netscape
> will open here:
> http://www.truehope.com/index6.html
> 
> How do you know Quackwatch is looking for them?
> Jannette
> 
> Subject: Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad
> 


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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread Jannette McKoy-Abel
Connie,
Areyou using Internet Explorer?  The page will only open in IE.  Netscape
will open here:
http://www.truehope.com/index6.html

How do you know Quackwatch is looking for them?
Jannette

 Subject: Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad


> BUT, I can't get the home page to work
> maybe just a problem on my end?
>
>
> I see Quackwatch is even looking for/at them!!
>
>



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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread Connie
I absolutely could not get their site to work.
Here is another link with info
note the COST of the supplemehtsOUCH!
cheaper for the SAMe
Connie

http://www.mcmanweb.com/article-113.htm


> BUT, I can't get the home page to work
> maybe just a problem on my end?
> 
> 
> I see Quackwatch is even looking for/at them!!
> 
> 
>> I found a link:
>> 
>> http://www.truehope.com/
>> 
>> 
>>> Truehope Synergy


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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread Connie
BUT, I can't get the home page to work
maybe just a problem on my end?


I see Quackwatch is even looking for/at them!!


> From: Connie 
> Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:39:10 -0500
> To: 
> Subject: Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad
> Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:38:16 -0800
> 
> I found a link:
> 
> http://www.truehope.com/
> 
> 
>> Truehope Synergy
> 
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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread Connie
I found a link:

http://www.truehope.com/


> Truehope Synergy


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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread Dean Miller
Hi Catherine,

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:21:14 -0500, "C Creel" 
wrote:

>  The product is called EMS Power Plus and it is made by a
>company called Truehope Synergy.

Now, would you have any suggestions about where I might find more info
on this product?  None of the search engines I've tried have come up
with anything (well, everything they came up with was for electric
power :)


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RE: CS>TDS/PWT meters

2002-10-28 Thread Wayne Fugitt

Morning Ken,

>> Last shot at making the point, I promise.

  Great Message that virtually summed up the history of the world.

For nearly every example you gave, I could think of a real world 
example.   Some are very interesting.


Maybe later I will have time to spin the yarn on some of them.

For now... I have to run and try to make an RS-485 Access Control 
system work with a 2000 Server.


I think this is a hill to climb.

Wayne


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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread C Creel
Dear Dean,

  You said:

<>

  in response to my statement:

<< There is one other product I do recommend to people whose primary
health challenge is long histories of depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder,
etc.>>


  LOL, I guess I was a little preoccupied when I wrote this!

  The product is called EMS Power Plus and it is made by a
company called Truehope Synergy.

Regards,
Catherine




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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread C Creel
Dear Roxanne,


  You said:

<>


  Bravo!  You'll be much healthier without them.  As I told Dean, it is 
EMS Power Plus by Synergy Truehope (or Truehope Synergy, lol).

 Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>milky-looking CS

2002-10-28 Thread Ode Coyote

Just stick an ammeter in series with one of the electrodes. [Multimeter has
one]
That will give you current flow but you'll have to figure in the electrode
distance, surface area and a few other things to get 'figures' meaningful
enough for person to person comparisons.
 For your own purposes, with everything else the same, just the total
current will do if keeping it at or near some constant for repeatability is
the point.  That point will be a matter of experimentation and the unit of
measure, your own little secret.

Would that be stopping at one or one and a half "iffies"?  [Ohms per cubic
whatevers, milliamps per square whatsits?]
ken


>Hmmh, just curious here...can that be measured easily?  Picturing a
>meter of some sort that would indicate current values as one moves the
>electrodes further/closer apart.
>Thanks, Ken!
>jr
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RE: CS>TDS/PWT meters

2002-10-28 Thread Ode Coyote
  Sorry Ivan
 Strange mood and recent encounters with lawyer mentalities in consumer
industry.  [Ripped off by ommissive merchandising]
 It's not me fighting you, it's commentary about how truth can be more
legal than true.
 Last shot at making the point, I promise.

If you ever gone out and shopped for an amplifier, you won't trust the
specs to be clear. Peak power doesn't mean the amp will sound good a over
half volume and so on, but using a peak power rating makes the product look
good...THEN you may or may not find the fine print at the end of the manual.
Nearly everyone tries to make their product look as good as they can
without actually lying. Confusion is often deliberately promoted even in
the biggest and best.
 Microsoft never just comes out and says your system might hang or crash
now and then.  ATI doesn't tell you your expensive video card might make
the entire system totally unstable.  They leave that for you to find out.
 Samsung proudly advertizes on one of its DVD players a "full screen
button" that gets rid of those midgets and black lines,[Oh look Marge! Now
we can watch the same sized TV we bought!] but fails to mention anywhere
that the button makes everyone look like Barney Fief [Tall and skinny]. OHH
Kaaayy, it does what it says it does but you still can't watch it without
going insane. [Legally true but not truthful to the buyers obvious intent
and purpose of the function]
 Now these are major companies with , uh, ethics..right?

 When Hanna failed to mention that the full scale at 999.9 was not the same
as the operational range of 99.9, I lost quite a bit of faith in them. How
does one attach a value to something without mentioning what that something
is despite its obvious importance to qualifying the value?
 If you have a one foot ruler with an accurate range within the first inch,
the full scale is one foot no matter how fuzzy the lines are after one
inch. If then, you state that accuracy is related to the whole ruler, what
leads one to assume that the first inch is any different than the whole
ruler?  Is it the fact that they failed to tell you how long the ruler
was...implying that it was only an inch long, by ommission?

 When I discovered 'all on my own' that my ruler was ten times longer than
they implied it was and clearly attached accuracy to the whole thing...not
just the first inch, it left a lot of questions about how well it works
when attaching accuracy to the range rather than the scale would have made
it very clear.
 "Reads accurately within +/- 2% in an operational range of 99.9 uS with a
full scale of 999.9 uS"  What's so hard about that? One lousy sentence says
it all and places truth beyond reproach.
 The way they DID state it says "lawyer" all over it. Lawyer means 'who
gets away with what', never mind the truth. The two 'could' be the same but
don't have to be and the 'system' implies that it always is. [but
experience says otherwise]
 Why do you suppose laywers and the system have their own language?  It's
certainly not about communicating with clients. Note any similarity between
that and merchandising?
 Were these small hand held meters designed for scientists?

Does 'this' meter have more than one scale? [ I don't see any mention of
more than one scale OR how big the scale is.]
 If the instrument does have more than one scale and the specs are not the
same throughout, each scale needs a different spec...or at least some
mention that there may be differences..or no specs at all.
 Were the specs written for 'this' meter or not?

Ken



At 03:06 AM 10/28/02 +1300, you wrote:
>
>Not sure what your spray about lawyers butts, PhD's etc. has to do
>with the interpretation of error in conductivity measurements, your
>world clearly is confused.
>
>But surely not so confused that the difference between a range and a
>full scale reading is not clear.
>You say:" It would have been easy to have stated accuracy as +/- 2%
>within it's intended "range" ...not "full scale". which would make
>full scale irrelevant, but they didn't."
>
>Yes they could have said that for single range meters, but you ignore
>the explanation I gave for this... "and is reported as percentage full
>scale (this is
>because some meters have more than one range and thus the full scale
>reading and error is altered accordingly)."...in other words the error
>for the range 0-99 is one tenth of the error for the range 0-999. This
>also has the added advantage of allowing the direct comparison between
>meters as to which is the most accurate.
>
>For the rest of your message I have no answer... it would be easier to
>just duke it out... your place or mine?
>
>Ivan
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net]
>Sent: Monday, 28 October 2002 4:52 a.m.
>To: *Silver-List*
>Subject: RE: CS>TDS/PWT meters
>
>
>
>
>
>>Hanna's spec reporting is industry standard.
>>Full scale and range are two different things. The range is a
>>description of an interval of numbers in which the

RE: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread Roxanne

Hi Catherine,

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:25:38 -0500, "C Creel" 
wrote:

> There is one other product I do recommend to people whose primary
>health challenge is long histories of depression, anxiety, bipolar
disorder,
>etc.

Well, what is it??  :)

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


///Yes I would like to know, I stopped taking meds over a year ago, and
doctors both pdoc's and internist refuses to see me because I stopped.
Long, long story.  I still have problems, but consider myself doing much
better without their medicines.

Roxanne


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Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad? testimonial/correction

2002-10-28 Thread EJohns9525
In a message dated 10/28/2002 5:50:27 AM Central Standard Time, 
ejohns9...@aol.com writes:


> His PSA has dropped from 33 to 10.9 with any drugs although he does 
> see 2 medical doctors.  We have not had it checked since he started the 
> SS.   
> 

OOOPs dropped from 33 to 10.6 WITHOUT any drugs




Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad? testimonial

2002-10-28 Thread EJohns9525
In a message dated 10/28/2002 1:00:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
jrowl...@nctimes.net writes:


> Thanks for helping demystify this curiously nebulous product; they
> certainly have a convincing
> PR/sales pitch.
> Would you say both products brought you to a higher support level than
> before using either?
> In the absence of the Toddy, would you and/or he take SeaSilver, or
> devise a Plan B to accomplish your ends?
> Are they comparable in price?
> jr
> 

Hi,
I have an autoimmune disease so I must be careful in what I do for my
immune sysytem.  One of my problems was fatigue. (among others).
Someone mentioned Seasilver so I did lots of investigating.  I ordered
the 3 pack for $100.  I could tell I had more energy and certainly more
stamina.  So I ordered a case and shared it with others.  My sister-in-law
who smokes and drinks but does do some health minded things
agreed to take it (only if I gave it to her free).  She has had a fungus on 
her chest all of her adult life.  Every summmer she goes to the Derma-
tologist and he gives her a perscription for 3 pills to get rid of the fungus.
In 2 weeks she called me and said it was gone and she does have
more energy and never wants to be without it.  Everyone that has used it
loves it.  

The reason I chose it: because of the autoimmune my ND had me taking
a vitamin/mineral pill, colloidal silver,  herbal teas for kidney/bladder
and a special kelp.  I have now quit taking these because they are all
in SS.  

My dad lives with me and has prostate cancer.  The same ND treats him.
Since starting SS he says he urinates better and gets up less at night.
His PSA has dropped from 33 to 10.9 with any drugs although he does
see 2 medical doctors.  We have not had it checked since he started the 
SS.  

My husband, daughter, grandson also take it so price is a factor with me.
And I do realize we are each different and respnd to different things.
I do not sell it so this is not an ad for any business.  ;~)

I have never tried the toddy but I'm sure it is good also.

Edith





Re: CS>Sea Silver radio ad

2002-10-28 Thread Dean Miller
Hi Catherine,

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:25:38 -0500, "C Creel" 
wrote:

> There is one other product I do recommend to people whose primary
>health challenge is long histories of depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder,
>etc.

Well, what is it??  :)

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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