Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
Daddybob asks: So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Ummm, guys? Before you go running off to build something like this would you please check those specs? It seems to me that over 1/3 of an amp at 25 kilovolts is a rather large amount of energy -- likely lethal. It's certainly enough to stop the heart if used in the wrong spot. I don't think that's what the designers had in mind. frown Did somebody mistake milliamps for microamps, or picoamps? Be careful out there... Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDMSO - other side?
Face it. Living is a dangerous occupation...if done well. And that's not taught in The School System. stuff At 04:09 PM 5/12/2004 -0600, you wrote: If people read the MSDS on all the products under their kitchen sink, or in their medicine cabinet, many would think they would be on the verge of death from disaster. I think it goes to our education system. If people were taught to read MSDS sheets regularly, then they would get to know that much that we are told is good, is really bad, and visa versa. Keep the people stupid. I choose not to be stupid. I learned how to read MSDS, medical studies, try to follow the money trail, or lack of it (in the case of cheap health items). Thora BC, Canada -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] The report says it's pretty safe then screams a lot. Health Rating: 1 - Slight Flammability Rating: 2 - Moderate Reactivity Rating: 1 - Slight Contact Rating: 1 - Slight Lab Protective Equip: GOGGLES; LAB COAT; VENT HOOD; PROPER GLOVES; CLASS B EXTINGUISHER Storage Color Code: Red (Flammable) Parents stand with their children at the bus stop nowadays because there's a 1 in 3 million + chance that they could be abducted in their lifetimes. When I was a kid, it might have been one in 4 million, so,... we were safe. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Fever blisters
At 04:01 PM 5/12/04, you wrote: There is no medical documentation that DMSO is viricidal, CS is viricidal. When I feel a fever blister coming in on my lip (usually after eating almonds, I don't know why) I take my colloidal silver generator and put the silver leads one on each side of the fever blister site and hold them there with the current turned on for about 10 seconds. I do this about 3 times that day and the fever blister will go away. If I get to it when its still just an itch the fever blister will never form. If I wait till the blister appears it takes longer to get rid of it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSpider Bite Zapper?
Not too many Brown Recluses down here, but the Black Widows will carry you away. We dare not reach under something without looking under it or turning it over from April to October, and that's not to mention the fire ants, copperheads and rattlers. So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Seems to me this could be good for multiple fire ant bites as well. Maybe even for various bee and wasp stings. Maybe even snake bites. The more I think about this, knowing the coastal jungle in which I live, the more I want one. DB __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBest distilled water
Walgreens DW says it is bottled in Milesburg, PA, and distributed by Walgreens in Deerfield IL. I've bought it from several different Walgreens in several different tows, and they all say the same thing. Since I live in Nebraska, it seems like that is evidence that they are shipping it out of state and around the country. Linda Jones lin...@hamilton.net - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: Re: CSBest distilled water It doesn't pay to ship water around at 67 cents to $1.50 a gallon retail. It's all locally distilled regardless of brand. Some brands practice better oversight on the local distillers. In some places, the same distiller makes all the brands. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
M. G. Devour wrote: Daddybob asks: So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Ummm, guys? Before you go running off to build something like this would you please check those specs? It seems to me that over 1/3 of an amp at 25 kilovolts is a rather large amount of energy -- likely lethal. It's certainly enough to stop the heart if used in the wrong spot. I don't think that's what the designers had in mind. frown You are correct, that would be over 8 KW, or about 5 times what can be pulled out of a 20A 120 VAC outlet. It would cook the tissue to well done in less than a second. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSpider Bite Zapper
With a spider bite located on my neck, close to what functioning brain cells I have left, I am distinctly not crazy about the idea of zapping myself with 25,000 volts. Has anyone seen any information about the MINIMUM voltage necessary to destroy venom? DByron -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
I would just like to point out that anyone whose chiropractor has an electro-stim unit can be treated by that chiropractor for any kind of bite. An electro-stim unit passes electrical current gently through the tissues and does the same job without any jolts or pain. Of course, there's the *pain* of paying the chiropractic bill. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
Apparently, some insect venoms are also broken down by heat. In a catalog have seen an egg-shaped battery-powered device that gets very warm on one end. You place the pointy end on the bite. It seems to me that you could obtain a nest egg---those stone eggs used to show hens where to lay---and, using a thermometer or testing the water in a pot with your finger, heat the egg and then apply it to the bite. JOH -Original Message- From: daddybob [mailto:daddybob52...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 7:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSpider Bite Zapper? Not too many Brown Recluses down here, but the Black Widows will carry you away. We dare not reach under something without looking under it or turning it over from April to October, and that's not to mention the fire ants, copperheads and rattlers. So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Seems to me this could be good for multiple fire ant bites as well. Maybe even for various bee and wasp stings. Maybe even snake bites. The more I think about this, knowing the coastal jungle in which I live, the more I want one. DB __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
I think the instructions for that were in one of the links I recently posted. JOH -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper? Daddybob asks: So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Ummm, guys? Before you go running off to build something like this would you please check those specs? It seems to me that over 1/3 of an amp at 25 kilovolts is a rather large amount of energy -- likely lethal. It's certainly enough to stop the heart if used in the wrong spot. I don't think that's what the designers had in mind. frown Did somebody mistake milliamps for microamps, or picoamps? Be careful out there... Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Fever blisters
Long term use of a couple of ounces a day has eliminated the occurrence of the lesions for myself and several other people that I know. JOH -Original Message- From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:57 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Fever blisters At 04:01 PM 5/12/04, you wrote: There is no medical documentation that DMSO is viricidal, CS is viricidal. When I feel a fever blister coming in on my lip (usually after eating almonds, I don't know why) I take my colloidal silver generator and put the silver leads one on each side of the fever blister site and hold them there with the current turned on for about 10 seconds. I do this about 3 times that day and the fever blister will go away. If I get to it when its still just an itch the fever blister will never form. If I wait till the blister appears it takes longer to get rid of it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html | David Bearrow | | dav...@sbcglobal.net | + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
Hello Marmar845, I'm assuming you've had direct experience, then, seeing an electro-stim unit stop the necrotic action of a spider bite. I'd sure appreciate hearing more details. Thanks, DByron -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSpider Bite Documents and References
Morning Deborah, With a spider bite located on my neck, close to what functioning brain cells I have left, I am distinctly not crazy about the idea of zapping myself with 25,000 volts. You face some hard decisions. Even though I am a strong minded person, at times, the thought went through my mind, What if I am wrong. So.. I refused to think about that or dwell on the possibility that I made a wrong decision. Has anyone seen any information about the MINIMUM voltage necessary to destroy venom? The site of Dr. Stan Abrams, has lots of information.Dr. Carl Osborne was the pioneer doctor who used the shock treatment for snakes and spider bites. Here are some other links Oklahoma Medical Association, by Journal Volume and Date, listed below. The Third item, Multiple High Voltage shocks is the treatment I used but a few days late. It was day 20 after the bite when I was shocked 5 times by a trusting friend. This is something you will remember. Document # 1 Title.: Treatment of Venomous Bite by High Voltage Direct Current by Dr. Carl D. Osborn, MD From The Journal of Oklahoma State Medical AssociationVolume 83, #1 January 1990, Pages 9 to 14 Copyright 1990 by OSMA Document # 2. Title: Treatment of Spider Bites by High Voltage Direct Current by Carl D. Osborn, MD Volume 84, # 6, June 1991, pages 257 to 260 Document # 3 Title.. Multiple HVDC Shocks as First Aid or Therapy for Venomous Bites and Stings by Dr. Carl D. Osborn, MD Volume 85, # 7, June 1992 pages 331 thru 333 Document # 4 The other printed information is from the Tulsa Newspaper. I will try to find this part. Document # 5 Document, From the Lancet, Dec 6, 1986. We should be able to find this one on line. = This link if for the Oklahoma Medical Association http://www.osmaonline.org/ Link for News and Publications http://www.osmaonline.org/dynamic_pages/dynamic_pageview.asp?ident=1850663296 Their Journal, Reprints and Subscriptions http://www.osmaonline.org/dynamic_pages/dynamic_pageview.asp?ident=1628922240 One of the better sites on Spider Bite Dr. Stan Abrams, Killene, TX, about 500 miles from here. If my bite had took a turn for the worst, I was planning to drive 500 miles to see him. http://www.sabramsmd.com/ = Dr. Abrams Main spider bite page http://www.sabramsmd.com/brs/brsmain.html Pictures, Articles, Testimonials http://www.sabramsmd.com/brs/brs_prof.html Letters from the Lancet ( about Spider Bite ) http://www.sabramsmd.com/brs/brs_lancet.html = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
Wouldn't the flash circuit for a disposable camera be enought voltage to disable venom, I was building a small magpulser with one at one time and accidently shorted it out on my self and it did shock the hell out of me, actually brought back memories of being zapped by the ignition system of a car or lawn-mower. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper? M. G. Devour wrote: Daddybob asks: So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Ummm, guys? Before you go running off to build something like this would you please check those specs? It seems to me that over 1/3 of an amp at 25 kilovolts is a rather large amount of energy -- likely lethal. It's certainly enough to stop the heart if used in the wrong spot. I don't think that's what the designers had in mind. frown You are correct, that would be over 8 KW, or about 5 times what can be pulled out of a 20A 120 VAC outlet. It would cook the tissue to well done in less than a second. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
In a message dated 5/13/04 10:52:09 AM EST, laqueren...@mindspring.com writes: I'm assuming you've had direct experience, then, seeing an electro-stim unit stop the necrotic action of a spider bite. I'd sure appreciate hearing more details. Hi DByron -- yes I've had direct experience with an electro-stim unit for bites, but not for spider bites. I had occasion to be infested with ticks and had nearly twenty ticks bites, four of them demonstrating the typical Lymes rash. It took me two days to get home to my chiropractor for electro-stim treatments and I never developed Lymes disease. I did also take CS and Golden Seal. The information regarding spider bites is a result of a conversation I had with my chiropractor on that subject -- I was praising the job that the electro-stim did on my tick bites and he told me he treats spider bites -- and specifically Brown Recluse bites -- successfully with the same unit. I haven't had occasion to test this -- I've never been bitten by a Brown Recluse. Hope this helps. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Fever blisters
Pardon me but there is medical documentation that it inhibits virus growth. And it delivers the CS deep into the nerve tissue where it hides so best to use both. Garnet On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 16:01, Nina Whit wrote: There is no medical documentation that DMSO is viricidal, CS is viricidal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSspider bite zapping using the Godzilla?
Would the Godzilla machine work? Mine is 36 volts with the lowest ma at .25 and up to and over 1.0 ma. Could you just take the electrodes and put one on each side of the bite and turn it on for a few minutes? Mine is manual so it doesn't pulse or change polarity, unless I want it to by switching the little toggle switch. I think this was discussed months ago on the microelectricitygermkiller list, or maybe here. I don't remember. But it seems that it would work but maybe take a little longer treatment. DC is what works, right? Any info on this? Thanks, Christine Mc. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
When my wife was bit by a brown recluse last year we used a CS compress and I did use the godzilla but later in the day. I believe te CS neutralized it though as I thought of the godzilla later in the day but still she had just a bruise where the bite was and the uclerating necrosis had stopped. The next day you really couldn't tell she was bit, but a little bruising was still eveident around the bite area. Now there is no evidence of any bite whatsoever
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
M. G. Devour wrote: Ummm, guys? Before you go running off to build something like this would you please check those specs? It seems to me that over 1/3 of an amp at 25 kilovolts is a rather large amount of energy -- likely lethal. It's certainly enough to stop the heart if used in the wrong spot. I don't think that's what the designers had in mind. frown Marshall wrote: You are correct, that would be over 8 KW, or about 5 times what can be pulled out of a 20A 120 VAC outlet. It would cook the tissue to well done in less than a second. - Yep, those are the specs on the Abrams site: Treatment consists of using a modified stun gun that will produce 25 kilovolts at less than 350 milliamps. Because of the deep penetration of the venom of the BR spider it is necessary to shock through the tissue rather than surface shock only. This is accomplished by means of a jumper cable attached to one pole of the stun gun that will reach to the opposite side of the extremity. The central area as well as the surrounding area of erythema is shocked 6 to 8 times. This is like getting a shock from an electric fence and is tolerated quite well by most all patients. I suppose that doesn't mean they're right though, and yep that's 8750 watts alright. Come to think of it, I don't relish the full power of a 10-12 HP generator going through me. James- I will search the archives for your previously posted info about this. DB __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Documents and References
Just my two cents, but in this case I would want to forgo the electricity and use the healing (betonite) clay and CS to draw out the poison and heal. - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wfug...@direcway.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: CSSpider Bite Documents and References Morning Deborah, With a spider bite located on my neck, close to what functioning brain cells I have left, I am distinctly not crazy about the idea of zapping myself with 25,000 volts. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS A question For Charles Sutton
. This is from the article in Outdoor life I posted earlier.I don't know if the mfg or number is still good. The only medically tested shocking device that is safe for almost all people, including those with heart pacemakers, is the Stun Gun, made by Nova Technologies (2207 Braker Lane, Austin, TX 78758, 512-832-5591). - Original Message - From: Hank To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: Re: CS A question For Charles Sutton Scroggins took time to treat the hand with two quick half-second zaps from a Nova Technologies Stun Gun. There are a lot of diff volt Stun Guns, Do you know the best one to use? Yours Hank
CSNon electric remedy for BR
This was sent off list, but it may help someone. .It is simple and works. My friend's husband has had several BR bites. Rails Anyway the remedy I use on the brown recluse spider bite is Adolph's Meat Tenderizer and Vaseline petroleum jelly to make it stick the to bite..put your finger in the Vaseline and then shake some ADOLPH'S.has to have Papaya Extract in it!!!and put it on the bite sight for about 15 minutesremember though, you are meat tooso not too long with the tenderizer on youbut that will draw out the venom for sure and there should be no scars or dead skin if you put it on right away...do it if you even think you got it by this spiderit won't hurt that's for sure. - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton To: Rails02 (tyj) Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: Re: CSFw: Spider bite? Very common here in Florida. Sure send it to me too. Why don't you post it to the list? - Original Message - From: Rails02 (tyj) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: CSFw: Spider bite? Was this a brown recluse? I have a friend that has old remedy that is tried and true. If any want that recipe email me? Rails
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
In the case of a stun gun, that may be right. A stun gun produces a very short duration spike, 20 or so times a second. If the spike is a microsecond in length, then the power would be way less than one watt average. Marshall daddybob wrote: M. G. Devour wrote: Ummm, guys? Before you go running off to build something like this would you please check those specs? It seems to me that over 1/3 of an amp at 25 kilovolts is a rather large amount of energy -- likely lethal. It's certainly enough to stop the heart if used in the wrong spot. I don't think that's what the designers had in mind. frown Marshall wrote: You are correct, that would be over 8 KW, or about 5 times what can be pulled out of a 20A 120 VAC outlet. It would cook the tissue to well done in less than a second. - Yep, those are the specs on the Abrams site: Treatment consists of using a modified stun gun that will produce 25 kilovolts at less than 350 milliamps. Because of the deep penetration of the venom of the BR spider it is necessary to shock through the tissue rather than surface shock only. This is accomplished by means of a jumper cable attached to one pole of the stun gun that will reach to the opposite side of the extremity. The central area as well as the surrounding area of erythema is shocked 6 to 8 times. This is like getting a shock from an electric fence and is tolerated quite well by most all patients. I suppose that doesn't mean they're right though, and yep that's 8750 watts alright. Come to think of it, I don't relish the full power of a 10-12 HP generator going through me. James- I will search the archives for your previously posted info about this. DB __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNon electric remedy for BR
The meat tenderizer is what I used on all insect stings. What it does is digest proteins, and the venom is a form of protein that is easily digested by the tenderizer. I was wondering if it would work on the brown recluse. Thanks for the confirmation. Marshall Charles Sutton wrote: This was sent off list, but it may help someone. .It is simple and works. My friend's husband has had several BR bites. Rails Anyway the remedy I use on the brown recluse spider bite is Adolph's Meat Tenderizer and Vaseline petroleum jelly to make it stick the to bite..put your finger in the Vaseline and then shake some ADOLPH'S.has to have Papaya Extract in it!!!and put it on the bite sight for about 15 minutesremember though, you are meat tooso not too long with the tenderizer on youbut that will draw out the venom for sure and there should be no scars or dead skin if you put it on right away...do it if you even think you got it by this spiderit won't hurt that's for sure. - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton To: Rails02 (tyj) Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: Re: CSFw: Spider bite? Very common here in Florida. Sure send it to me too. Why don't you post it to the list? - Original Message - From: Rails02 (tyj) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: CSFw: Spider bite? Was this a brown recluse? I have a friend that has old remedy that is tried and true. If any want that recipe email me? Rails
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
Evening Marshall, microsecond in length, then the power would be way less than one watt average. Not questioning your calculations and expertise, but it feels like more than that. grin I have been shocked by 700 VDC which was hefty, and also have been hit by lightening. The lightening ran in on the phone, knocked it from my hand, and I could taste blood. The side of my face was numb for a few hours. The stun gun hurt much worse than anything that has ever happened to me. This could have been due to the location of the alligator clip which provided a path directly thru the bone. You don't want to do it unless you think it is absolutely necessary. Of course 5 shocks is much worse than one or two. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSspider bite and electrostim unit
Is the electro stim unit the same as the cranial electronic stimulation device sold by Sota Instruments? pj - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2'
RE: CSNon electric remedy for BR
Re: Adolph's Meat Tenderizer. I think it contains the papaya enzyme. Could be that breaks down the venom components. JOH -Original Message- From: Charles Sutton [mailto:cds...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNon electric remedy for BR This was sent off list, but it may help someone. .It is simple and works. My friend's husband has had several BR bites. Rails Anyway the remedy I use on the brown recluse spider bite is Adolph's Meat Tenderizer and Vaseline petroleum jelly to make it stick the to bite..put your finger in the Vaseline and then shake some ADOLPH'S.has to have Papaya Extract in it!!!and put it on the bite sight for about 15 minutesremember though, you are meat tooso not too long with the tenderizer on youbut that will draw out the venom for sure and there should be no scars or dead skin if you put it on right away...do it if you even think you got it by this spiderit won't hurt that's for sure. - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton To: Rails02 (tyj) Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: Re: CSFw: Spider bite? Very common here in Florida. Sure send it to me too. Why don't you post it to the list? - Original Message - From: Rails02 (tyj) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: CSFw: Spider bite? Was this a brown recluse? I have a friend that has old remedy that is tried and true. If any want that recipe email me? Rails
Re: CS[List Owner] Handling OT and commercial stuff...
With Mike's permission, for those who have inquired about Spider bites I will post the recipe from the book I have seen used successfully for tick bites, with other insect bites, and major infections on the OT list. Christine. From: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Handling OT and commercial stuff... Resent-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 00:14:35 -0700 Greetings folks, Christine is being understandably cautious about bringing up off topic stuff, ... Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSspider bite
Deborah, In my experience we are multidimensional beings. That in part is why Homeopathics work. They acknowledge that a balance can be achieved with a frequency, not the actual poison. Another aspect I would pay attention to is the meridians in the area of the bite. The Stomach, Liver, Gallbladder, and the Small Intestine meridians run through different areas of the neck. Also the Conceptual (DU) and Governing (RN) meridians. I would use CS, and perhaps consider a supplement with a cleansing product designed for the organ as indicated by the meridian closest to the bit site. Deborah, you can find a meridian chart for about $5.00 in Zellers or bookstores to identify the meridian or at http://www.permacharts.com and search for acupuncture points. They are student reference study charts. Following is also part of what I work with. Therefore I would suggest you do independent research on your own. The reason I share this is that we often find residue years later that is the foundation for yet another 'immune system breakdown???' or ailment. It's often at this later point, when nothing else has worked, people see me. We have different energy levels - body, emotional, mental, spiritual which resonate at different frequencies. Example: On a gross level bone has a different frequency image than a tumour on X-rays or scans. We can seemingly rid ourselves of the physical poison but it may seep to the emotional energy levels or beyond. In my experience what this looks like is something that may impact the body years later or we get over our 'challenge' but seem to 'drag' and never recover the zest of life. (I had to deal with this when I was dealing with polio and post secondary symptoms). What to do? Look at some other mind/body aspects too. Dr. B. Seagal (Yale oncologist) said he could determine the patient's belief systems by the site of the cancer. The same principal applies. We are always showing ourselves something ... if we choose to pay attention. He says it's related to the 95% of us who come from dysfunctional family/social/cultural systems. The bite was in the neck. Left side of the BODY has to do with feminine aspect of communication - perhaps more creative, chaotic types of conceptual thinking and communication. The body's right side has to do with masculine - more logical, linear belief systems that have served well -- until this time. It's opposite if the bite was above the Atlas/Cervical 1 area. I would reflect on what belief structures no longer benefit as one grows with greater experiences of life. For SOME women the energies start to change in the fifties from less feminine to more masculine and they move more beyond the home into a new independence/freedom from kids, and even business. It may feel/look like undermining or attack. Opposite for some guys - less business and stud stuff, and more 'grand-daddy', relationship and home interest. The energies are often more stable in our 60's. It's part of hormonal changes and very natural in most cultures. IF a spider bit is a poisonous attack to awaken us to pay attention... and IF we are responsible for all things that happen to us ... what masculine or feminine aspects of comprehension and communication about life are you pondering, to understand and revise??? Or upgrade to a higher level of consciousness that is non-threatening to you or others that are close? I believe that by searching inside -- your deeper knowing -- there is greater possibility to have the toxins release from the more subtle levels ensuring greater health in the long term. In the immediate, on a physical level I would drink lots of CS. Poultices with CS too! EO's help. And BodyTalk - http://www.bodytalksystem.com . It shows the body how to balance the poison. The innate wisdom of the body is pretty wise... it can do those things... even at a distance. I am a practitioner, so you'll want to read up on it independent of my recommendation. You may contact me off line ... Best wishes, Christine thebodytalkcli...@telus.net -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS A question For Charles Sutton
Thank you Charles. Yours Hank - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton To: Hank ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: CS A question For Charles Sutton . This is from the article in Outdoor life I posted earlier.I don't know if the mfg or number is still good. The only medically tested shocking device that is safe for almost all people, including those with heart pacemakers, is the Stun Gun, made by Nova Technologies (2207 Braker Lane, Austin, TX 78758, 512-832-5591). --- Hank's outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as can be. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 445 - Release Date: 5/12/04
Re: CSspider bite and electrostim unit
In a message dated 5/13/04 3:26:43 PM EST, pj20...@yahoo.com writes: Is the electro stim unit the same as the cranial electronic stimulation device sold by Sota Instruments? I have no idea, but I doubt it. This is a unit that is designed to relieve muscle pain and spasm, and instigate healing. I could give you the phone number of my chiropractor and he could tell you. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Handling OT and commercial stuff...
In a message dated 5/13/04 3:29:05 PM EST, essential-liv...@telus.net writes: With Mike's permission, for those who have inquired about Spider bites I will post the recipe from the book I have seen used successfully for tick bites, with other insect bites, and major infections on the OT list. With Mike's permission, please post it here. I don't participate in the OT list.MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNon electric remedy for BR
hi Group With regard to bites...in my memory someone on the list mentioned onions ...does anyone remember who it was? Norm - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: Re: CSNon electric remedy for BR The meat tenderizer is what I used on all insect stings. What it does is digest proteins, and the venom is a form of protein that is easily digested by the tenderizer. I was wondering if it would work on the brown recluse. Thanks for the confirmation. Marshall Charles Sutton wrote: This was sent off list, but it may help someone. .It is simple and works. My friend's husband has had several BR bites. Rails Anyway the remedy I use on the brown recluse spider bite is Adolph's Meat Tenderizer and Vaseline petroleum jelly to make it stick the to bite..put your finger in the Vaseline and then shake some ADOLPH'S.has to have Papaya Extract in it!!!and put it on the bite sight for about 15 minutesremember though, you are meat tooso not too long with the tenderizer on youbut that will draw out the venom for sure and there should be no scars or dead skin if you put it on right away...do it if you even think you got it by this spiderit won't hurt that's for sure. - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton To: Rails02 (tyj) Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: Re: CSFw: Spider bite? Very common here in Florida. Sure send it to me too. Why don't you post it to the list? - Original Message - From: Rails02 (tyj) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: CSFw: Spider bite? Was this a brown recluse? I have a friend that has old remedy that is tried and true. If any want that recipe email me? Rails
Re: CSBrown Recluse Spider Bite Treatment - Handling OT and commercial stuff...
It's just one click... that's all it takes... OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html and you can pick it up there with no other effort... ... To not distract those who want to stay on topic to CS. CC From: marmar...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:37:56 EDT Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Handling OT and commercial stuff... In a message dated 5/13/04 3:29:05 PM EST, essential-liv...@telus.net writes: With Mike's permission, for those who have inquired about Spider bites I will post the recipe from the book I have seen used successfully for tick bites, with other insect bites, and major infections on the OT list. With Mike's permission, please post it here. I don't participate in the OT list.MA The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Possibly Useful Info
Dear Brooks: I read your post on possibly useful info on Potassium Chloride,Magnesium Sulphate, and ammonium laurel sulphate. I was wondering what protocols your researchers used (how much of each daily, etc.). I have been reading your posts for quite a while and using many of the protocols you have mentioned, and I find that they all work. Thank you! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTransfer Factor
Just like many other beaurocratic stuff, it is complicated, with several language rules, so that organic means one thing, certified organic means another, the country source changes the rules, and with a variety of labelling rules, that consumers need to know if they care. It also changes daily, so diligence is required, on an ongoing basis. You might also be consuming some toxic food additive that is made from organic stuff, but is bad for you no matter what. If you want to learn about it, the following website is very good. It used to be that eating organic meant eating healthy, now with the big corporations wanting a part of the market, the rules have been solidified, but it no longer means healthy. The big corporations have gotten the rules slackened as much as they humanly can, and will continue to push their influence. Organic Consumers Association http://www.organicconsumers.org/index.htm Thora BC, Canada From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net Really? I thought that organic meant non GE. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTransfer Factor
Yes this is true... But did you see what happened to GM wheat and Montsano yesterday? The corporation has decided to step back from GM wheat... at least for the time being... and announced it to shareholders.. Good things are happening, and it helps if we support ... Organic may not mean 'organic' any longer but Antibiotics is pretty clear anti - against biotics - life Christine From: Thora Rasmussen mugg...@rockies.net Subject: RE: CSTransfer Factor Just like many other beaurocratic stuff, it is complicated, with several language rules, so that organic means one thing, certified organic means another, the country source changes the rules, and with a variety of labelling rules, that consumers need to know if they care. It also changes daily, so diligence is required, on an ongoing basis. You might also be consuming some toxic food additive that is made from organic stuff, but is bad for you no matter what. If you want to learn about it, the following website is very good. It used to be that eating organic meant eating healthy, now with the big corporations wanting a part of the market, the rules have been solidified, but it no longer means healthy. The big corporations have gotten the rules slackened as much as they humanly can, and will continue to push their influence. Organic Consumers Association http://www.organicconsumers.org/index.htm Thora BC, Canada From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net Really? I thought that organic meant non GE. Garnet ~~ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Documents and References
Sure wish someone would try the Violet Ray on a bite. Never had the nerve myself but I have seen someone use the eyecup applicator directly on the eye. I have used one numerous times on my neck. Never have had a recluse bite to try it on. Feel sure it would do the trick. davido On Thu, 13 May 2004 15:13:48 -0400 Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net writes: Just my two cents, but in this case I would want to forgo the electricity and use the healing (betonite) clay and CS to draw out the poison and heal. - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wfug...@direcway.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: CSSpider Bite Documents and References Morning Deborah, With a spider bite located on my neck, close to what functioning brain cells I have left, I am distinctly not crazy about the idea of zapping myself with 25,000 volts. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Handling OT and commercial stuff...
Hi Marmar, You don't need to participate in the OT list to use it. Just click on the link to the OT list web archives in the footer of these messages and look for the post you want to read. If you *do* happen to want to post a reply, you can, since you're a member of the main list. Be well, Mike D. In a message dated 5/13/04 3:29:05 PM EST, essential-liv...@telus.net writes: With Mike's permission, for those who have inquired about Spider bites I will post the recipe from the book I have seen used successfully for tick bites, with other insect bites, and major infections on the OT list. With Mike's permission, please post it here. I don't participate in the OT list.MA [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
The Nova is reliable as they developed a testing device to audit voltage and amperage at the same time.. I would clip leads to the inner probes and terminate the wires with needles. Then I would insert needles on opposite sides of the toxin injection site and then pulse the device. - Original Message - From: daddybob daddybob52...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:22 AM Subject: CSSpider Bite Zapper? Not too many Brown Recluses down here, but the Black Widows will carry you away. We dare not reach under something without looking under it or turning it over from April to October, and that's not to mention the fire ants, copperheads and rattlers. So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Seems to me this could be good for multiple fire ant bites as well. Maybe even for various bee and wasp stings. Maybe even snake bites. The more I think about this, knowing the coastal jungle in which I live, the more I want one. DB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
Not lethal if Nova or Taser. To keep Consumer Product Safety Commission happy, Taser had the same output as Nova fired across the beating heart of a monkey. Nonfatal. This was also verified by the EE PhD who [1] verifies the safety of all the Navy ships to keep them lightening safe, and [2] electric chairs to be sure they are not safe. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper? Daddybob asks: So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Ummm, guys? Before you go running off to build something like this would you please check those specs? It seems to me that over 1/3 of an amp at 25 kilovolts is a rather large amount of energy -- likely lethal. It's certainly enough to stop the heart if used in the wrong spot. I don't think that's what the designers had in mind. frown -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper
Well, 25000v is is about the shock you get off a doorknob. Think amperage. You are boosting the voltage of a 9 volt nicad about 5000 times. That means your amperage is about 1/5000 that of the same battery. - Original Message - From: DByron laqueren...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: CSSpider Bite Zapper With a spider bite located on my neck, close to what functioning brain cells I have left, I am distinctly not crazy about the idea of zapping myself with 25,000 volts. Has anyone seen any information about the MINIMUM voltage necessary to destroy venom? DByron -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
Thats probably 25kV output. Drain on a 9 or 12 v battery would be in the region of 350mA but even that is over hefty IMHO. Tony On 13 May 2004 at 10:15, M. G. Devour wrote: Daddybob asks: So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Ummm, guys? Before you go running off to build something like this would you please check those specs? It seems to me that over 1/3 of an amp at 25 kilovolts is a rather large amount of energy -- likely lethal. It's certainly enough to stop the heart if used in the wrong spot. I don't think that's what the designers had in mind. frown Did somebody mistake milliamps for microamps, or picoamps? Be careful out there... Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Possibly Useful Info
Dear Mr. Rogan, Our Group researches involving the substances to which you refer...are in process and currently ongoing. As no definitive conclusions have been reached to date (excepting the utilization of potassium chloride), all would be poorly served by my personal analyses of incomplete evaluations. As soon as these, particular, studies are complete I will be pleased to post a general summation...in the form of an executive brief, of the results obtained. While I have used, and continue to do so, what would be considered substantial amounts of potassium chloride on a daily basisI decline, at this time, to give a the specific amount. The reason being that the biological terrain differs considerably among human beings and the levels of my intake could, easily, border on the threatening levels for some people. Therefore, my suggestion to you is to conduct a generalized web-search (using Web Ferret, Dogpile, and othersas well as Google) for gleaning enough information on potassium chloride's effectsbefore deciding upon what you consider a safe level of continual ingestion. T here are, definitely, elements of truth in the allopathic-based disclaimers, cautions and warnings relating to elevated potassium levels in the human circulatory systemmost especially among certain persons with specific compromises and/or actual presentations. My earlier comments, relative to my personal opinion involving the conventional wisdom promulgated by the allopathic-based academiawere not designed to indict the discipline as incompetentbut, rather, to emphasize they may (I believe are) be in error in this matter of the recommended volumetric requirements of potassium for genuine, proper, health in human beings. I ask your forebearance for my evasive response to your inquiry. However, I do believe you understand my hesitancyas we do not prescribe or diagnose for ANY form of medical afflictiononly relating actual results from limited, experimental, inquiries/researches. Hoswever, I will, indeed, make an effort to inform you, Off-Line, as soon as practicalof the specific evaluations and their resultsof the three programs we are presently conducting. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. --- Harborne Research Foundation - Original Message - DATE: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:37:09 From: Dave Rogan daverogan2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Dear Brooks: I read your post on possibly useful info on Potassium Chloride,Magnesium Sulphate, and ammonium laurel sulphate. I was wondering what protocols your researchers used (how much of each daily, etc.). I have been reading your posts for quite a while and using many of the protocols you have mentioned, and I find that they all work. Thank you! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Documents and References
I used the Violet Ray from the Edward Cayce Institute (based on Tesla's work) on a suicidal 35 year old fellow about 7years ago. The session was about 6 minutes on low voltage. He slept like a baby, and could think the next day. He was quite stressed about loosing a million dollar development business, and was so beside himself and furious with a partner the he could not think. The Ray machine seemed to clear his head to be able to go forward with the gruelling paperwork during the following days. I felt the machine assisted with the torn grids of emotion, mentalisms, etc. Re physical level: I had improvement with a elderly arthritic ND - however it was a 'relief' from the main pain, not a removal of all pain. With a poison, my gut says it's different - and based on past changes in the physical level - I don't think it's enough. On a quantum level there is no time, and when something is changed it appears to hold. In the end, I don't think we will need these machines. I look at my violet ray machine daily - haven't used it in years... Christine thebodytalkcli...@telus.net From: David S Osborne ide...@juno.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:02:48 -0700 Sure wish someone would try the Violet Ray on a bite. Never had the nerve myself but I have seen someone use the eyecup applicator directly on the eye. I have used one numerous times on my neck. Never have had a recluse bite to try it on. Feel sure it would do the trick. davido On Thu, 13 May 2004 15:13:48 -0400 Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net writes: Just my two cents, but in this case I would want to forgo the electricity and use the healing (betonite) clay and CS to draw out the poison and heal. - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wfug...@direcway.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: CSSpider Bite Documents and References Morning Deborah, With a spider bite located on my neck, close to what functioning brain cells I have left, I am distinctly not crazy about the idea of zapping myself with 25,000 volts. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSClarke, Wormwood, and Malaria
List, Interesting report in yesterday's newspaper: the WHO is approving a kind of Chinese wormwood for worldwide treatment of malaria. The wormwood has proven more effective than any other drug at eliminating the parasites in the blood. It will be given in a cocktail to discourage resistance developing. I note that Hulda Clarke has advocated wormwood and black green walnut hulls as a general anti-parasite formula for patients. I have some reservations about her work -- the worst thing is the ridiculous title, for heaven's sake -- but there is much useful information in her books, and I have yet to read any compelling refutation of her claims. The recent WHO decision suggests that if wormwood works well on the parasites involved in malaria, it may work on other afflictions as well. Food for thought. JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
Hi: A barbecue piezorlectric igniter produces 25,000 volts. Anybody can has any suggestions how to measure the current? PeterR -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSlung congestion
I wanted some info on how to use CS with a nebulizer to treat lung congestion.
