CSRe: Tumor growth
looked all thru the nov, 2003 archives and couldn't locate the research on tumors.---Acmeair What does grow in the same way mean, specifically?---Terry The quote came from their most current bulletin, and apparently it takes awhile for their archive to get it---sorry. It's a free bulletin, here's the full subject excerpt: The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 686 May 28, 2004 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben Stein TO STOP TUMORS, KNOW HOW THEY GROW. Stimulating the immune system in a certain way can cause immune-system cells to surround tumors and stop them from growing, researchers have found (Antonio Brú Espino, Environmental Sciences Research Center, Spanish Research Council, antonio@ccma.csic.es,). Demonstrated in mice, the finding is a direct result of applying a new universal model of tumor growth developed over the last ten years in a collaboration between scientists at the Spanish Research Council and medical research centers in Spain. The researchers have evidence to show that all tumors grow in the same way, irrespective of the tissue or species in which they develop (Brú et al., Biophysical Journal, November 2003). In a previous paper, these researchers reported that tumor growth, rather than being exponential as commonly believed, is a much slower linear process similar to the growth of certain crystals and other natural phenomena (Brú et al., Phys. Rev. Lett, 2 November 1998). Tumor cells, they have found, grow through the diffusion or migration of cancer cells at the tumor's outer edges. Only the cells close to the edge of the tumor proliferate--those inside the tumor do not, contrary to previous assumptions. According to the researchers' observations, cells formed at the edge of the tumor diffuse at the border of the tumor mass until they settle in curved depressions where the competition for space is lowest and where they are best protected from the immune system. In their new paper, Brú and co-workers show that the mechanical pressure exerted by immune-system cells known as neutrophils around mouse tumors can prevent the diffusion of these cells and thus prevent tumor growth. In 16 mice with a tumor mass in the muscle, the researchers induced neutrophil production by administering an immune system booster known as GM-CSF over two months. In a short time, they observed that GM-CSF altered the growth dynamics of the cells. The tumors of two mice regressed completely and 80-90% tumor-cell death was seen in the rest. If the growth dynamics of tumors are universal, there is every reason to be hopeful the same result could be obtained in humans. Knowing how tumors grow, by cell diffusion at the surface, opens up the possibility of developing new and far more efficient ways of preventing their enlargement and spread. (Bru et al., Physical Review Letters, upcoming) Main Site: http://www.aip.org/ jr -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSpink eye
I go to the drug emporium and Wal-Mart and buy 4oz plastic spray bottles ( in different colors just for fun) and fill them with home made CS. I keep a few around the house for the family to use on what ever and to spray in the eyes during cold and flu season. I also keep one in my glove box in my truck and use in my eyes and externally. I even have one that has some DMSO mixed in with it for my son to use to treat his acne. My boss had pink eye and his doc gave him some stuff for it. Not sure what cause he is allergic to penicillin. I made him a spray bottle and he said it took the sting out of the stuff the doc gave him. He quit using the doc's stuff and just used CS and was cured in a day. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 6:03 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSpink eye I spray home made CS directly into the eye for infections of any kind [sties for me..darned saw dust.] To hit the back side of the eyeball, a good heafty snort in the ole sinuses seems to do that job. Don't use commercial preparations for this unless you know how they are made and exactly what it is. Some even carry warnings not to use it in the eyes. Ode At 01:34 PM 5/27/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hey List- A friend's daughter has pink eye in bothe eyes. I had her soak gauze with cs and place on eyelids. Didn't know dosage or concentrations for putting in eye. Any suggestions? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with Colloidal Silver
Ditto -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 11:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with Colloidal Silver I will appreciate a pix. Do you have two, one with and one without? JOH -Original Message- From: nancymike [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with Colloidal Silver You don't necessarly want higher PPM of cs. You will want the finest, smallest particles. You can make the particles of your home made CS much tinier by adding 1 drop of 3%H2o2 to each 2 oz. of CS. it is truly amazing how tiny the particles become. I can send a micrscopic picture of what it looks like to any one interested. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCurad-New Silver Line of Bandages
here's another entry into the silver bandage field... http://www.elastoplast.ca/index.php?lang=2 - Original Message - From: Dwan Pete dwanpe...@yahoo.com To: Silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 12:51 AM Subject: CSCurad-New Silver Line of Bandages Hi all! Good mews. Curad, huge maker of bangages, has a new Silver Line that uses silver in the dressing. The link below, from the Heallix site (CS makers), has a story from the Healix newsletter where some (probably) big conventional medical people testify about silver's healing properties. The fact that a major company has added silver to its bandages is testimony in itself. Wonderful affirmation from conventional medicine and big business on the healing properties of silver. http://www.heallix.com Enjoy! Dwan __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with Colloidal Silver
Hi Nancy, I would love to see your Colloidal Silver pictures, please! Thank you, Jean Baugh *** I will appreciate a pix. Do you have two, one with and one without? JOH -Original Message- From: nancymike [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] You don't necessarly want higher PPM of cs. You will want the finest, smallest particles. You can make the particles of your home made CS much tinier by adding 1 drop of 3%H2o2 to each 2 oz. of CS. it is truly amazing how tiny the particles become. I can send a micrscopic picture of what it looks like to any one interested. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpink eye
Hello, David, I had the same problem as you did with involuntary blinking when I tried to apply EIS with a misting bottle. So I bought a SqueezeBreeze on sale for about $2.00 and tried it. It worked great for me - no blinking. Best regards, Matthew - Original Message - From: David Bearrow dav...@sbcglobal.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:51 PM Subject: Re: CSpink eye At 10:37 PM 5/27/04, you wrote: Does it matter if the application method is a drop, spray, mist, squirt, or splash? Hi Wayne, I guess it doesn't matter how you get it in your eye as long as you get it there. For me a mister just wasn't getting the job done as I would blink and couldn't really soak the eye down that way so I switched to an eyedropper and I can coat my entire eye with it. David Bearrow -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with Colloidal Silver
Mancy Send one to odecoy...@alltel.net OK? Ode You don't necessarly want higher PPM of cs. You will want the finest, smallest particles. You can make the particles of your home made CS much tinier by adding 1 drop of 3%H2o2 to each 2 oz. of CS. it is truly amazing how tiny the particles become. I can send a micrscopic picture of what it looks like to any one interested. Anything over 10 ppm is too large to do much good internally. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with ColloidalSilver
It's not a hard and fast rule. Depends on how it's made and how strong. 20 PPM will generally have a higher percentage of the silver in particle form than 15 ppm. 5- 10 PPM may not have any or very few. Also, if the particles are larger, the 'number' of particles will be smaller but the percentage of the silver in particulate form can be larger. ode At 12:53 PM 5/28/2004 -0600, you wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver
Trem and I use virtually the same process and get virtually the same ratios. Others might not. Frank Keys site shows breakdowns of various commercial preparations, some get 97% ionic at 20 PPM, I believe. Some of the weaker products get 100% ionic. Here's a good example: Trace Minerals - Liqumins Colloidal Silver 30 ppm Total Silver Concentration: 31.8 ppm Percent Ionic: 99.4 Percent Particles: 0.6 ode At 09:01 PM 5/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAntibiotics linked to rising rates of allergies
Antibiotics linked to huge rise in allergies http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns5047 NewScientist.com news service The increasing use of antibiotics to treat disease may be responsible for the rising rates of asthma and allergies. By upsetting the body's normal balance of gut microbes, antibiotics may prevent our immune system from distinguishing between harmless chemicals and real attacks. The microbial gut flora is an arm of the immune system, says Gary Huffnagle at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbour. His research group has provided the first experimental evidence in mice that upsetting the gut flora can provoke an allergic response. Asthma has increased by around 160 per cent globally in the last 20 years. Currently about a quarter of schoolchildren in the US and a third of those in the UK have the condition, but pinning down the causes of the rise has proved difficult. Some researchers have blamed modern dust-free homes, while others have pointed to diet. Antibiotics have been implicated by some epidemiological studies. For example, the rise in allergies and asthma has tracked widespread antibiotic use. Furthermore, research in Berlin, Germany, has found that both antibiotic treatment and asthma were low in the east compared to the west when the wall came down. As antibiotic use has increased in the east though, so has asthma. This study is particularly valuable because the politically divided populations were genetically very similar and enjoyed much the same menu. Now Huffnagle has presented experimental evidence to back up the case. His team gave mice a course of antibiotics before feeding some of them with a yeast which is commonly found on human skin. With the natural gut bacteria suppressed by the drugs, the yeast became established in the mouse, with no side effects. Over the course of the following two weeks, the researchers treated all the mice with spores from a common fungus. Again, this does not cause disease, but fungal spores can trigger allergies in people. The mice whose gut flora had been manipulated, experienced a much higher immune response to the spores, suggesting that changes to the collection of microbes in people's guts following antibiotic treatment might also make us more susceptible to allergies. Suddenly, your ability to ignore a mould spore has gone, Huffnagle told New Scientist. The team has repeated the experiments with a second strain of mice to show that the effect is not dependent on a particular set of mouse genes. They have also used a different molecule to produce the allergic response - an egg protein from chickens called ovalbumin that is commonly used in allergy research. In this case, when the team looked at the animals' lung linings under a microscope the effect of the over-active immune response was striking. Their lungs are shredded, absolutely shredded. I'm sure they can't breath, says Huffnagle. He speculates that our gut bacteria are somehow involved in training the immune system to ignore harmless molecules that wind up in our stomach. Precisely how they do this is a mystery though. He's on to a very special track, says Juneann Murphy an expert in stomach bacteria at the University of Oklahoma in Oklahoma City. No one else has been able to make the connections before. She says the findings reinforce the message that antibiotics should be used only when absolutely necessary. She also suggests that patients who have just finished antibiotic treatment should also receive probiotic tablets containing good gut bacteria. Eating foods such as raw fruit and vegetables also helps to restore the natural balance in our guts. Once you are done with the antibiotics you are not finished, adds Huffnagle. You need to recover from the treatment itself. The research was presented at the American Society for Microbiology general meeting in New Orleans on Wednesday. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpink eye
If you turn the spray bottle uppy side down, it becomes a dropper bottle! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
Hi James, AA spectrophotometry. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Thank you, What is your test procedure? JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi Garnet and James, Actually I say Our CS is 85% ionic and 15% colloidal. I can say that because I've tested it several times. Others can be any ratio but I cannot testify since I haven't tested theirs. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAntibiotics linked to rising rates of allergies
sorry, that was to be forwarded to another listthey were talking about pesticide removal from halifax city use as the cause for all the new athsma cases... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi James, AA spectrophotometry. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Thank you, What is your test procedure? JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi Garnet and James, Actually I say Our CS is 85% ionic and 15% colloidal. I can say that because I've tested it several times. Others can be any ratio but I cannot testify since I haven't tested theirs. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
I didn't. Kimball Labs and the other one we used did the tests. I have no idea of the way they separate the ions from the particulate. All I can tell you is the percentages they both stated on the analysis and they were both about the same. So I assume they knew what they were doing. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi James, AA spectrophotometry. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Thank you, What is your test procedure? JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi Garnet and James, Actually I say Our CS is 85% ionic and 15% colloidal. I can say that because I've tested it several times. Others can be any ratio but I cannot testify since I haven't tested theirs. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
Wouldn't the ions be smaller since the colloidal particles exist primarily as clusters. Garnet On Sat, 2004-05-29 at 14:40, Trem wrote: I didn't. Kimball Labs and the other one we used did the tests. I have no idea of the way they separate the ions from the particulate. All I can tell you is the percentages they both stated on the analysis and they were both about the same. So I assume they knew what they were doing. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi James, AA spectrophotometry. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Thank you, What is your test procedure? JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi Garnet and James, Actually I say Our CS is 85% ionic and 15% colloidal. I can say that because I've tested it several times. Others can be any ratio but I cannot testify since I haven't tested theirs. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
Garnet, The ions are single atoms and the colloids are clusters of atoms. It's hard for me to visualize but I am told by the brains that the ions are dissolved in the water. I'll have to go along since I have no way of knowing for sure. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 12:53 PM Subject: [silver_list] Re: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Wouldn't the ions be smaller since the colloidal particles exist primarily as clusters. Garnet On Sat, 2004-05-29 at 14:40, Trem wrote: I didn't. Kimball Labs and the other one we used did the tests. I have no idea of the way they separate the ions from the particulate. All I can tell you is the percentages they both stated on the analysis and they were both about the same. So I assume they knew what they were doing. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi James, AA spectrophotometry. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Thank you, What is your test procedure? JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi Garnet and James, Actually I say Our CS is 85% ionic and 15% colloidal. I can say that because I've tested it several times. Others can be any ratio but I cannot testify since I haven't tested theirs. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSComputer-eye
Hi Minnie and folks, THIS one is worth repeating in a clickable form: http://www.vestibular.org/computer.html Minnie, to make it clickable make sure things like brackets don't interfere with the address (URL) and always hit enter key to isolate it and check to see if ok. One thing it didn't mention was the radiation effect from your monitor. I haven't verified this, but was reading somewhere that the older the monitor the more radiation it produces. I switched to vastly more expensive Sony brand years ago for the amazing difference it made to my eyes ( 14 hours a day, though, then) AND one other thing - there are some people still using Fluoro lights to save money - and burning their brains out. Now we can all feel sorry for those rich people with 21 monitors!:-) Cheers! Himagain. At 01:10 AM 29/05/04 GMT+10, (my time) silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote : Has she looked into CVS (computer vision syndrome), or Irlen Syndrome? END OF QUOTE
RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
Ions are all the same size. We are measuring the percent ionic v. particulate. The ISE reads only ions. AA reads total silver. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 1:53 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Wouldn't the ions be smaller since the colloidal particles exist primarily as clusters. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
Most measure the ionic with a ion -selective electrode and then subtract that from the AA reading. I was very disappointed when Kimball went out of business. JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 1:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen I didn't. Kimball Labs and the other one we used did the tests. I have no idea of the way they separate the ions from the particulate. All I can tell you is the percentages they both stated on the analysis and they were both about the same. So I assume they knew what they were doing. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi James, AA spectrophotometry. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Thank you, What is your test procedure? JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi Garnet and James, Actually I say Our CS is 85% ionic and 15% colloidal. I can say that because I've tested it several times. Others can be any ratio but I cannot testify since I haven't tested theirs. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSannoying multiple copies
Hi folks, I was wrong I thought five total useless repetitions was the record. In this very issue it hit 6. Most email programs indicate included quotes by preceding the lines. Some a vertical black stripe. The black stripe is easier to register and bypass... a little. But couldn't we all just stop doing it? At 08:58 AM 30/05/04 GMT+10, (my time) silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote : END OF QUOTE Oh - an easy way to include your direct email in a message is this: mailto:i...@fablor.com important not to put a space after : If you want to get really clever, you can include a subject line automatically: mailto:i...@fablor.com?subject=your_offer Notice that between your and offer is an underline key not a space. Cheers, Himagain
CSMSG and food addiction
http://www.rense.com/general52/msg.htm Why we are becoming diabetic.
CSFw: Ratio of ionic to colloidal silver
- Original Message - From: Matthew McCann PE To: siver-l...@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: Ratio of ionic to colloidal silver Hi, Trem and James, It might be possible to measure the ratio of ionic to colloidal silver by dividing a sample in halves, freezing and unfreezing one half, letting the other half remain at ambient temperature, and then measuring both with AA or muriatic acid titration. Alternating ( probably more crudely) a cooling curve could be run to measure the colligativity of the sample (displacement of the freezing point and/or boiling point.) I haven't done these (yet.) It's just a thought. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CScolored light:Comment
Dear Shirley, To address your earlier questions I offer: The most effective results were obtained from the topical application of DMSO X CS solution (50% 10 to 20 ppm CS and 50% full-strength DMSO...by volume) This protocol was used in concert with continual oral dosages of 5 to 10 ppm CS (varying between 8 oz and 24 oz per day) among an experimental volunteer population. Ninah's suggestion is, in my opinion, an excellent oneas that book has much to recommend it. The intensity of the light source appears to be of less importance than than the color itself. We have found that no light source used for the purposes referred to...ever benefited by being held closer than about 6 inches. This DOES NOT hold for LED Light Therapy protocols using IR or near-IR spectrum frequencies designed to stimulate circulation or to yield deeper tissue penetration. Another suggestion in passing; another, quite economical system for availing one the benefits of colored-light therapies, is to obtain an economical LED flashlight (our purchasing agent tells me Harbor Freight has a four-element one for about $8.00)and just place the various Roscolene filters over the end and secure with rubber band. Our experiments with them have proven quite effective. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Harborne Research Foundation - Original Message - DATE: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:12:25 From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Should maybe have mentioned that this whole thing is referring to the post by Brooks Bradley about how his research is showing that the colored light works real well with the colloidal silver. And he suggested the Harbor Freight item as a very good substitute for his research facility's much more expensive light generating device. Since I have found his ideas to be so good, I have been waiting eagerly for the time when I could get the items needed to get started. And any information or ideas anyone can come up with will be appreciated. From what I have been reading and from Brooks' post, it seems pretty simple. tia pj ps My last post was very disappointing to me when I read it just now. Hope this one makes more sense!! Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
RE: CSFw: Ratio of ionic to colloidal silver
Both samples will read the same JOH -Original Message- From: Matthew McCann PE [mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFw: Ratio of ionic to colloidal silver - Original Message - From: Matthew mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu McCann PE To: siver-l...@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: Ratio of ionic to colloidal silver Hi, Trem and James, It might be possible to measure the ratio of ionic to colloidal silver by dividing a sample in halves, freezing and unfreezing one half, letting the other half remain at ambient temperature, and then measuring both with AA or muriatic acid titration. Alternating ( probably more crudely) a cooling curve could be run to measure the colligativity of the sample (displacement of the freezing point and/or boiling point.) I haven't done these (yet.) It's just a thought. Best regards, Matthew
CSFw: How to separate ions from particles
JOH wrote: That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? To separate the ions from particles in a colloid by the following methods: 1. Ultra-centrifugation - 350,000 G-forces for 15 minutes will separate particles down to two atomic diameters leaving only the ions. Decant off the ionic solution and measure by atomic absorption/emission spectroscopy to read the ppm of the ionic content. 2. Freezing - freeze the colloid to a solid block of ice, then thaw. The particles will fall to the bottom leaving only the ions. Decant off the ionic solution and measure by atomic absorption/emission spectroscopy to read the ppm of the ionic content. 3A. Precipitation - the ions can be precipitated into silver chloride by adding a drop of diluted hydrochloric acid. Let sit for a day so the silver chloride settles out leaving only the particles, or separate the precipitate using a centrifuge. Decant off the silver colloid and measure by atomic absorption/emission spectroscopy to read the ppm of the silver particles. 3B. Precipitation - same as 3A but using sodium hydroxide to precipitate the ions out as silver hydroxide. Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab http://www.ColloidalScienceLab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
There was a discussion recently of solutions vs colloids, how the ionic portion would be defined and what differences there are in the two. I posted definitions from a medical dictionary for all of these terms, but none of them explained the actual physical chemistry of a solution of say silver ions vs a colloidal suspension. Anyone? Garnet On Sat, 2004-05-29 at 17:36, Trem wrote: Garnet, The ions are single atoms and the colloids are clusters of atoms. It's hard for me to visualize but I am told by the brains that the ions are dissolved in the water. I'll have to go along since I have no way of knowing for sure. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 12:53 PM Subject: [silver_list] Re: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Wouldn't the ions be smaller since the colloidal particles exist primarily as clusters. Garnet On Sat, 2004-05-29 at 14:40, Trem wrote: I didn't. Kimball Labs and the other one we used did the tests. I have no idea of the way they separate the ions from the particulate. All I can tell you is the percentages they both stated on the analysis and they were both about the same. So I assume they knew what they were doing. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi James, AA spectrophotometry. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Thank you, What is your test procedure? JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi Garnet and James, Actually I say Our CS is 85% ionic and 15% colloidal. I can say that because I've tested it several times. Others can be any ratio but I cannot testify since I haven't tested theirs. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
Trem wrote: The ions are single atoms and the colloids are clusters of atoms. It's hard for me to visualize but I am told by the brains that the ions are dissolved in the water. I'll have to go along since I have no way of knowing for sure. Ions are less than single atoms since they are missing one orbital electron. They are slightly smaller. Since it is the outmost orbital electrons that determine the physical properties of matter, the physical properties of ions are different than silver atoms or particles (consisting of two or more atoms). It all boils down to the simple fact that ionic silver will combine with anions to form compounds and atoms/particles will not. Or stated another way, a silver ion will combine with a chlorine ion (anion) to form silver chloride and a silver particle/atom will not. For a summary of properties of ions and atoms see: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Tables/Summary_of_Properties.PDF Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab http://www.ColloidalScienceLab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSComputer-eye
Use a flat screen monitor and you can use whatever size you want. They are not just on lap tops any more. Garnet On Sat, 2004-05-29 at 17:58, John Rigby wrote: Hi Minnie and folks, THIS one is worth repeating in a clickable form: http://www.vestibular.org/computer.html Minnie, to make it clickable make sure things like brackets don't interfere with the address (URL) and always hit enter key to isolate it and check to see if ok. One thing it didn't mention was the radiation effect from your monitor. I haven't verified this, but was reading somewhere that the older the monitor the more radiation it produces. I switched to vastly more expensive Sony brand years ago for the amazing difference it made to my eyes ( 14 hours a day, though, then) AND one other thing - there are some people still using Fluoro lights to save money - and burning their brains out. Now we can all feel sorry for those rich people with 21 monitors!:-) Cheers! Himagain. At 01:10 AM 29/05/04 GMT+10, (my time) silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote : Has she looked into CVS (computer vision syndrome), or Irlen Syndrome? END OF QUOTE -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSreply about colored light-B. Bradley
Thank you Brooks. I appreciate your suggestions. And thanks to Nenah too. I had already about decided to go with her suggestion, but now I will for sure. Those proportions on DMSO / CS will come in very handy. pj - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger
Re: CSFw: How to separate ions from particles
As always, Frank Key is a priceless resource for those of us with limited scientific experience. NB that the methods below would conceivably enable even a layman to decant nearly pure ionic/colloidal solutions. Seems to me that in the freezing method, for example, one could confirm the dense concentration of particles at the bottom of the container using a laser, and gently decant to keep those particles in the bottom.Those who believe that the particles are superior, or wish to mix particles with other substances -- bloodroot would be an interesting experimental substance -- could readily do the separation without high-tech tools. Thanks, Frank! Very generous. Please correct me if I have misunderstood anything here. JBB On Sunday, May 30, 2004, at 09:56 Asia/Tokyo, Frank Key wrote: JOH wrote: That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? To separate the ions from particles in a colloid by the following methods: 1. Ultra-centrifugation - 350,000 G-forces for 15 minutes will separate particles down to two atomic diameters leaving only the ions. Decant off the ionic solution and measure by atomic absorption/emission spectroscopy to read the ppm of the ionic content. 2. Freezing - freeze the colloid to a solid block of ice, then thaw. The particles will fall to the bottom leaving only the ions. Decant off the ionic solution and measure by atomic absorption/emission spectroscopy to read the ppm of the ionic content. 3A. Precipitation - the ions can be precipitated into silver chloride by adding a drop of diluted hydrochloric acid. Let sit for a day so the silver chloride settles out leaving only the particles, or separate the precipitate using a centrifuge. Decant off the silver colloid and measure by atomic absorption/emission spectroscopy to read the ppm of the silver particles. 3B. Precipitation - same as 3A but using sodium hydroxide to precipitate the ions out as silver hydroxide. Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab http://www.ColloidalScienceLab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with ColloidalSilver
Re: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with Colloidal SilverI believe it can be added and used within three days. - Original Message - From: Roger Barker To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: Re: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with ColloidalSilver Nancy, is it ok to add the H202 to CS that is being stored for a few weeks or should it only be added just before using? Cheers, Roger B on 28/5/2004 3:18 PM, nancymike at nancym...@prodigy.net wrote: You don't necessarly want higher PPM of cs. You will want the finest, smallest particles. You can make the particles of your home made CS much tinier by adding 1 drop of 3%H2o2 to each 2 oz. of CS. it is truly amazing how tiny the particles become. I can send a micrscopic picture of what it looks like to any one interested. Anything over 10 ppm is too large to do much good internally. Nancy
Re: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with ColloidalSilver
on 30/5/2004 4:27 PM, nancymike at nancym...@prodigy.net wrote: Thanks Nancy. I believe it can be added and used within three days. Nancy, is it ok to add the H202 to CS that is being stored for a few weeks or should it only be added just before using? Cheers, Roger B
