Re: CSCS: Origin of grains in diet

[John Rigby]

At 03:10 AM 15/11/04, you wrote:


I would suggest people get and read The Earth Chronicles by Zacharia
Sitchen.There are seven books in the series and they are the most definitive
of the source of Gods and the origin of Man that I have read.Z.Sitchen
spent over thirty years researching  ancient texts and hieroglyphics to
compile these books.Well worth it.
Harold


Harold, ya can't do that!  *7* Books!!  Here you get 200 words - in the OFF 
TOPIC List  to tell us!   :-)


Cheers,

Himagain
(Who hasn't read or got time for 7 books!  Unless they grab me in the 
preview/synopsis)  



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Re: CSDiet / Conscious Slaughter

[John Rigby]

At 12:33 PM 15/11/04, you wrote:

 Himagain
 Always impressed by the fact that those REAL Indians - in India - could be
 starving - literally- and wouldn't knock off and eat a cow.

But John, they won't eat because they believe in reincarnation and may be
eating a relative.  That's very different than just having respect for an
animal.
Just my opinion.
Best,
Cindy


Hi Cindy,
It is amazing how fast good resolve goes out the window when you are 
starving.


But, if you think it through, isn't any belief in the value of the other 
life the same thing?
But, no, they don't believe that - that is a silly Western putdown.  You 
can't de-evolve.
If you made it this far, to human,  you will be back as a human and your 
lot will be exactly proportionate to the score you died with, an idea 
which incidentally ,is far more advanced than most Formal 
Religions.  Especially the young Western ones.


Cheers,

Himagain 



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Re: CSDiet / Conscious Slaughter

[John Rigby]

At 01:05 PM 15/11/04, you wrote:
And, though they may not perhaps kill and eat the cow themselves, I've 
seen photos and read articles of hideous cruelty. Some who wouldn't eat 
meat have no compunction about driving a cow (with a whip) miles to be 
slaughtered and sold to those who do. Cow in question had a broken leg it 
was forced to walk on.

sol


Sol,
you obviously have no idea what the animals you eat go through - especially 
that Xmas Turkey or the Pate Goose!
But  the truth is that it would not have been  a caste Hindu. Not 
allowable. As unthinkable as killing a cow and eating it. Or any other 
living, thinking, feeling creature.


Cheers,

Himagain


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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #875

[John Rigby]

At 02:55 PM 15/11/04, you wrote:

Re:  CS Re:  Raw Milk

At 06:23 PM 11/14/2004, you wrote:
BUT unless you are pre-digesting the milk ( making Kefir) it IS pretty 
well proved to be another wrong thing - we like it 'cos it's white! :-)

Like the fabled California Oranges. So big!


Oh, yes.  I take CS at the other end of the day, just before going to bed, 
and try to maximize absorption by holding it in my mouth as long as 
possible before swallowing, because I am afraid the CS might take out 
those healthy bacteria I am trying to cultivate if I take it at or near 
the same time as the Primal Defense.
 # Hi - I don't have a clue what a Primal Defense is (!)  but CS 
magically does not have any effect on good things like Kefir.



I think it is going to be a forever thing.  I failed to take the 
probiotic along when I went on vacation in August, and within three days 
was experiencing the raging inferno once again.
### It actually sounds like you have a raging dietary problem!   You might 
totally surprise yourself if you go on a Sherlock Holmes diet.  It simply 
means fast for at least 24 hours, then only eat one of your normal 
foods  at a time and see if you develop your symptoms.  It is amazing how 
often the culprit turns out to be a favourite of yours.
Of course, that is a simplified version.  Food Combining is where it is all 
at.  There are some great books on it out there.



Our fabled California oranges ARE so big!  We'll start picking our 
wonderful juicy navels off our trees in January, and will eat several each 
day from then until June.
# You mean REAL ones. Grown at home.  I was talking about those big, 
light, fake ones specially developed for export - with no vitamin C in them 
at all!  :-)
They say by 2020 at the current rate all of the fabulous deep soil of 
California will be under concrete. :-{


If anyone wants some dried kefir grains to start making the real thing, 
e-mail me and I will send them until I run out.  I have enough stashed in 
the freezer for two or three people.  There is also a kefir site which 
posts names of people willing to share theirs in various areas.

###  Do you have the specific Site address handy?
There is a fabulous true story about the how we got the legendary Kefir in 
the West..


Cheers,
Himagain.
  



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CSNeed some help with the home made silver process

[Steve Ellsworth]

I have recently built a generator using the guidelines presented on
http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/zapltsk.htm

The system uses one silver elctrode (positive) and one stainless steel
electrode (negative) It is running at 6 volts using a transformer, and a
bubbler to agitate.

It appears that it is workiing quite well but do to my ignorance I am not
sure exactly what I am endding up with.

The silver electrode remains clean and shiney
The stainless collects some grey deposit which I assum is an idication that
the current is flowing in the right direction, At least my voltmeter
indicates it is so.

After approximately 3 hours the liquid remains clear.  After settling
overnight there is some sediment on the bottom which is very light in color.
Using a laser pen the  tyndall effect is quite strong.

I assume I have collodial silver but I would like to confirm that I do not
have collodial stainless steel.

Any help would be appreciated as with any contruction and processing tips.

thanks in advance

steve



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Re: CSFerroFluids

[Marshall Dudley]

Mike Monett wrote:

 Re: CSFerroFluids
 From: Marshall Dudley
 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:46:44

I still don't know how you can say this.

   I follow  the  ideal, Marshall, of Mike Devour,  who  took  over the
   Silver Lists to  promote  and  encourage  discussions  on colloidal
   silver, to identify and counter the hype, myths and  propaganda that
   surround the  subject of Colloidal Silver, and to study the  art and
   science of  Colloidal  Silver   production,   testing,  and  use, so
   newcomers and  experienced  members   alike   will  have  the widest
   possible range  of choices with reasonable certainty of  success and
   minimum cost.

   Unlike you,  Marshall,  I   have   no   commercial  interest  in the
   production of  colloidal silver, and I have no  preconceived notions
   of how  the  cs  process  works. I  don't  really  care  -  I'm just
   interested in making the best cs possible. But in order to do  so, I
   must first understand it.


That is a slap in the face, and totally untrue.  First I promote people
making it themselves with their own generators. I do not sell generators. I
have no personal financial interest in people making their own, I am on
this list to help people. I spend a lot of my time doing research and
posting for one reason only, to help others.  I do sell it to those who
want to not make it themselves, but that is as service, I make virtually
nothing on it, and when people purchase large amounts of it I always tell
them how to make it themselves..


   As we  age, our immune system starts to degrade, and the  10  ppm cs
   from the  typical  3  nines  may not work as  well  as  it  did. For
   example, Sol  just  went through a 4-week cold  that  her  cs didn't
   touch, and she is now busy making stronger cs. I expect to  see more
   of this phenomenon as the group ages. You may be next.

   Most people do not die of old age. They get an infection  that their
   immune system  cannot  handle,  and the  toxins  overwhelm  the body
   functions. Superman  just  died of bedsores.  My  mother  is getting
   older, and  her unusually good health is starting to fade. I  do not
   want to see her die of a plain cold.

   We also face extremely dangerous viruses such as SARS or  West Nile,
   and doctors  say the next major epidemic is only a  matter  of time.
   Medical science  has  no answer, except to give  steroids  that turn
   human bones  into peanut butter. I believe cs is our only  hope, but
   10 ppm  probably won't work for someone who is  already  weakened by
   infections.

   Due to the shortsighted use of antibiotics, our environment  now has
   extremely dangerous  antibiotic-resistant bacteria,  such  as ecoli,
   tuberculosis, streptococcus,  and plain staf bacteria that  can turn
   into necrotizing  fasciitis  (flesh-eating bacteria). It  is  a rare
   infection but debilitating or lethal to the victims.

   Cassi Moore  is  a  beautiful young lady who  turned  into  a tragic
   example of  the brutal stupidity of doctors who can  inflict extreme
   harm while  treating something they know nothing about, and  have no
   resources to  fight  back.  Her experience should  be  part  of your
   knowledge of the current state of medical science.

 Warning: the  following link contains descriptions  and  photos of
 human suffering that you may wish you never saw.

 http://www.nnff.org/survivors/cassi_moore/cassi.htm

   I believe  high-ppm  cs   could   influence   the  outcome  of these
   infections, if  given in time. But it must be available  when  it is
   needed, and  it  must  be  the best ionic  cs  we  can  make. Marv's
   experiment described  below shows that particulate cs is  simply not
   effective. Silver  ions  are  the   only  thing  that  works against
   bacteria and viruses.

   Marv Hacker's milk tests showed there was something  seriously wrong
   with the  understanding  of how particulate  cs  kills  bacteria. It
   simply doesn't work:

I am at a loss as to why this attack on me.  For the most part I agree with
most of everything you have written above.  And your comments about what I
sell makes no sense, it is over 80% ionic anyway.

As far as the the milk test below, it is irrelevant, except for preserving
milk. The test shows quite well that ionic silver preserves milk better
than colloidal in the test with whatever ppms were used, but there are two
problems. First there is no indication of the ppm strengths of the two
products.  A milk test is a sum greater or less than zero test, and any
slight difference in the strength of the two could make significant
differences in the outcome.  What was the ppm of the two?  If they were
different, then differing amounts of each should have been used to make the
test valid.

Secondly, to make the test valid for internal use, one would have to add a
few drops of HCl, or at least sodium chloride to both of the silvers
solutions since we know that ionic silver 

Re: CSFerroFluids

[Marshall Dudley]

Mike Monett wrote:

 CSFerroFluids
 From: Matthew McCann
 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:26:08
 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75123.html

The potency of the two species cannot be compared unless one knows
the ppm  of both. Even then, the surface area of  the particulates
may have  a drastic effect on the outcome of the comparison  - not
to mention oligodynamism.

   Why not  mention oligodynamism? It merely means a substance  that is
   much more  lethal to bacteria than to humans, such as  cs.  There is
   nothing magic about it. That's what silver ions do.

   The particulates in cs are silver oxide. See my analysis at

 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75112.html

   Silver oxides  are  inert regardless of  surface  area.  Check Frank
   Key's site - he says the same thing.

You need to learn how science is done. When experimental evidence
contradicts theory, the the theory is what must be discarded. As you well
know silver oxide dissolves into water, and thus the particulate portion of
EIS cannot be silver oxide. Why do you keep on insisting on this totally
discredited theory?

Now part of the ionic portion may be silver oxide, but there is no way that
the particulate portion can be.  So if the ionic portion is silver oxide
and you claim that silver oxide has no effect on killing bacteria, why does
ionic silver kill bacteria?

Marshall

Marshall



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Re: CSScleroderma

[Garnet]

On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 18:36, John Rigby wrote:
 At 09:56 PM 13/11/04, you wrote:
 On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 00:52, John Rigby wrote:
   At 12:24 PM 13/11/04, you wrote:
  
   DMSO helps. Buy DMSO Nature's Healer from Amazon for details of use.
   
   Garnet
  
   My only worry there would be the reabsorption of all that gunk back into
   the body.
 
 What gunk John? Anything over 1000 daltons, which inculdes even very
 large molecules can not be transported by DMSO. Give me a substance and
 I will look up the MSDS which tells you the molecular weight.
  Basically I was referring to the various toxins the poor old body 
 is valiantly trying to excrete. Could be anything.


Why would DMSO carry these toxins anywhere John. You have to mix it with
DMSO prior to applying topically or ingesting orally. You have not been
keeping up John. ;-)

 
   But for healing the scar tissue later .  one of my old thing bites
   which simply didn't heal for gods know how long, was fixed by the magic of
   DMSO/CS in a coupla months of applications every time I thunk of it.
  
 Does not heal scar tissue. It will flatten it some but the scar tissue
 does not go away.
 ### Sorry to disagree, but it is only in point of order anyway 
 here:  After CS miraculously repaired the wounds ( spider bite?) I later 
 heard of  DMSO and began to apply it 70%:30% CS to the very prominent and 
 angry looking scarring.  It improved cosmetically by an amazing degree.  It 
 could be called flattening, I suppose.


Disagree all you want John, that is what you do best -- but DMSO does
not remove or heal scar tissue, it simply breaks down collagen resulting
in a flatter scar.

 
 
 
   Himagain.
   Usual disclaimer - not only do I not have a medical/pharmaceutical
   franchise *I* don't know very much for sure at all.  Do your own diligence
   folks...
  
 I am and I do.
 # You are an MD?

What are you talking about John?? You said do you own diligence and I
said I am and I do.

 Then you should be very much more careful than you are here, Garnet.  You 
 obviously aren't making use of your franchise (to print money) but  They 
 do not take kindly to renegades. Lotsa stories out there and I 
 personally, personally know of a few.  Look at the history of something 
 simple, like DMSO, or the far more famous Laetrile story. You don't even 
 HEAR of what They do to some M.D.s.  The poor guys working in the Cancer 
 Underground live in a kind of terror all the time.

I am small potatoes John. That means I fly way under their radar. Not
going to ping anyones filters since I sell nothing and collect no money,
therefore I present no threat, at least not big enough to mess with.
That's the way I planned it, since high school actually. Watching all
those radicals stick their necks out made me realize small is
beautiful and change comes from within.

Garnet


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Re: CSDiet / Conscious Slaughter

[Garnet]

Plants are living, thinking, feeling beings John. Ever read The Secret
Life of Plants?

Garnet

On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 02:28, John Rigby wrote:
 At 01:05 PM 15/11/04, you wrote:
 And, though they may not perhaps kill and eat the cow themselves, I've 
 seen photos and read articles of hideous cruelty. Some who wouldn't eat 
 meat have no compunction about driving a cow (with a whip) miles to be 
 slaughtered and sold to those who do. Cow in question had a broken leg it 
 was forced to walk on.
 sol
 
 Sol,
 you obviously have no idea what the animals you eat go through - especially 
 that Xmas Turkey or the Pate Goose!
 But  the truth is that it would not have been  a caste Hindu. Not 
 allowable. As unthinkable as killing a cow and eating it. Or any other 
 living, thinking, feeling creature.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Himagain
 
 
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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #875

[Garnet]

Primal Defense has soil based organisms some of which are not normally
found in the human GI tract, many of those are yeasts that are somewhat
unknown as to their ultimate action in the human gut -- I don't trust
this.

Why not use the organisms that are supposed to be there and are a whole
lot cheaper? Many companies such as Jarrow and SolarRay make excellent
products with a range of species in them, all that are native to the
human gut. There are also liquid supplements that target certain
portions of the gut and have extremely high counts.

Worked for me when I had severe Candida. A very good book is Allergies
and Candida by the Stephen Rochlitz, a physicist who has devoted his
life to helping people get over severe candida. He almost died from it
himself before discovering energy meridian balancing as playing a key
role. His book is out of print but is available in libraries and used
book stores. Dr. Rochlitz also has a website. Google human ecology
balancing +stephen rochlitz

Garnet

On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 23:57, sol wrote:
 No offense to anyone who likes Rubin and his products, but his company 
 lies about ingredients. They lied to me. So I know this firsthand. I 
 won't spend another dime on anything from him. Wasted enough already. I 
 have severe allergies and get really and truly pissed off when lied to 
 about what is in products. And to me it calls the whole operation and 
 every word he has written into question. I find that a person or company 
 who lies about one thing will lie about others.
 My two cents, and a whole lot more wasted on stuff I can't use.
 sol
 
 patriot2...@mindspring.com wrote:
 
  Until I followed some of the advice in Jordan Rubin's book, The 
  Maker's Diet.  Two things I learned there have set me free, and now 
  that I use his Primal Defense probiotic religiously,
 
 
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Re: CSScleroderma

[Garnet]

On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 18:36, John Rigby wrote:
 At 09:56 PM 13/11/04, you wrote:
 On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 00:52, John Rigby wrote:
   At 12:24 PM 13/11/04, you wrote:
  
   DMSO helps. Buy DMSO Nature's Healer from Amazon for details of use.
   
   Garnet
  
   My only worry there would be the reabsorption of all that gunk back into
   the body.
 
 What gunk John? Anything over 1000 daltons, which inculdes even very
 large molecules can not be transported by DMSO. Give me a substance and
 I will look up the MSDS which tells you the molecular weight.
  Basically I was referring to the various toxins the poor old body 
 is valiantly trying to excrete. Could be anything.


Why would DMSO carry these toxins anywhere John. You have to mix it with
DMSO prior to applying topically or ingesting orally. You have not been
keeping up John. ;-)

 
   But for healing the scar tissue later .  one of my old thing bites
   which simply didn't heal for gods know how long, was fixed by the magic of
   DMSO/CS in a coupla months of applications every time I thunk of it.
  
 Does not heal scar tissue. It will flatten it some but the scar tissue
 does not go away.
 ### Sorry to disagree, but it is only in point of order anyway 
 here:  After CS miraculously repaired the wounds ( spider bite?) I later 
 heard of  DMSO and began to apply it 70%:30% CS to the very prominent and 
 angry looking scarring.  It improved cosmetically by an amazing degree.  It 
 could be called flattening, I suppose.


Disagree all you want John, that is what you do best -- but DMSO does
not remove or heal scar tissue, it simply breaks down collagen resulting
in a flatter scar.

 
 
 
   Himagain.
   Usual disclaimer - not only do I not have a medical/pharmaceutical
   franchise *I* don't know very much for sure at all.  Do your own diligence
   folks...
  
 I am and I do.
 # You are an MD?

What are you talking about John?? You said do you own diligence and I
said I am and I do.

 Then you should be very much more careful than you are here, Garnet.  You 
 obviously aren't making use of your franchise (to print money) but  They 
 do not take kindly to renegades. Lotsa stories out there and I 
 personally, personally know of a few.  Look at the history of something 
 simple, like DMSO, or the far more famous Laetrile story. You don't even 
 HEAR of what They do to some M.D.s.  The poor guys working in the Cancer 
 Underground live in a kind of terror all the time.

I am small potatoes John. That means I fly way under their radar. Not
going to ping anyones filters since I sell nothing and collect no money,
therefore I present no threat, at least not big enough to mess with.
That's the way I planned it, since high school actually. Watching all
those radicals stick their necks out made me realize small is
beautiful and change comes from within.

Garnet

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.   
Stephen Wright


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Re: CSScleroderma

[Garnet]

On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 18:36, John Rigby wrote:
 At 09:56 PM 13/11/04, you wrote:
 On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 00:52, John Rigby wrote:
   At 12:24 PM 13/11/04, you wrote:
  
   DMSO helps. Buy DMSO Nature's Healer from Amazon for details of use.
   
   Garnet
  
   My only worry there would be the reabsorption of all that gunk back into
   the body.
 
 What gunk John? Anything over 1000 daltons, which inculdes even very
 large molecules can not be transported by DMSO. Give me a substance and
 I will look up the MSDS which tells you the molecular weight.
  Basically I was referring to the various toxins the poor old body 
 is valiantly trying to excrete. Could be anything.


Why would DMSO carry these toxins anywhere John. You have to mix it with
DMSO prior to applying topically or ingesting orally. You have not been
keeping up John. ;-)

 
   But for healing the scar tissue later .  one of my old thing bites
   which simply didn't heal for gods know how long, was fixed by the magic of
   DMSO/CS in a coupla months of applications every time I thunk of it.
  
 Does not heal scar tissue. It will flatten it some but the scar tissue
 does not go away.
 ### Sorry to disagree, but it is only in point of order anyway 
 here:  After CS miraculously repaired the wounds ( spider bite?) I later 
 heard of  DMSO and began to apply it 70%:30% CS to the very prominent and 
 angry looking scarring.  It improved cosmetically by an amazing degree.  It 
 could be called flattening, I suppose.


Disagree all you want John, that is what you do best -- but DMSO does
not remove or heal scar tissue, it simply breaks down collagen resulting
in a flatter scar.

 
 
 
   Himagain.
   Usual disclaimer - not only do I not have a medical/pharmaceutical
   franchise *I* don't know very much for sure at all.  Do your own diligence
   folks...
  
 I am and I do.
 # You are an MD?

What are you talking about John?? You said do you own diligence and I
said I am and I do.

 Then you should be very much more careful than you are here, Garnet.  You 
 obviously aren't making use of your franchise (to print money) but  They 
 do not take kindly to renegades. Lotsa stories out there and I 
 personally, personally know of a few.  Look at the history of something 
 simple, like DMSO, or the far more famous Laetrile story. You don't even 
 HEAR of what They do to some M.D.s.  The poor guys working in the Cancer 
 Underground live in a kind of terror all the time.

I am small potatoes John. That means I fly way under their radar. Not
going to ping anyones filters since I sell nothing and collect no money,
therefore I present no threat, at least not big enough to mess with.
That's the way I planned it, since high school actually. Watching all
those radicals stick their necks out made me realize small is
beautiful and change comes from within.

Garnet


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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #875

[Dan Nave]

About a year ago I put some CS into some milk to extend it's storage
life in the refrigerator as I was going to be away for a week.  At that
time I was making yoghurt.  I was unable to get this milk to ferment. 
Yet, as soon as I got some new milk I had no trouble making yoghurt with
it.  I used both yoghurt starter from a batch of home-made yoghurt and a
new packet of starter as purchased from a store.

I don't believe your statement, as it is.  

CS will kill yoghurt making bacteria, but as most things are more
complicated than you report them, it may have to do with dosages and
things like that...

Dan



Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #875

From: John Rigby wrote:
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:36:53 

  # Hi - I don't have a clue what a Primal Defense is (!)  but CS 
magically does not have any effect on good things like Kefir.



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Re: CSFerroFluids

[Marshall Dudley]

Mike Monett wrote:

 CSFerroFluids
 From: Matthew McCann
 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 05:46:47

   Hello Matthew,

Hello, Mike,

Your definition  of oligodynamism is not what others  mean  by the
word. It's etymology (activity by the few) is close to what Nageli
meant. It means increased potency upon dilution. The oligodynamism
of colloidal  silver was discovered years before it was  tested on
humans.

   I use  the definition found in the British  Columbia  Ambient Water
   Quality Criteria for Silver, by P. D. Warrington, PhD.

 Application of Criteria for Aquatic Life

 Silver is  a  disinfectant   for  non-spore  forming  bacteria at
 concentrations about 1000 times lower than the levels at  which it
 is toxic  to mammalian life.  This  extreme mammalian-to-bacterial
 toxicity differential  is   the   definition   of  an oligodynamic
 material.

 [...]

 The biological effects of silver are apparently due to reversible
 bonds with  enzymes and other active molecules on  the  surface of
 cells.Dueto its sulphydrylbinding  propensity,
 biologically-availablesilver   disrupts   membranes,  disables
 proteins and inhibits enzymes.

 The ionic form of silver is necessary for biological activity and
 the lipid  phase  of  the  membrane  appears  to  be  important in
 adsorbing silver ions to living cells. The active sites on enzymes
 which are  affected  by silver  are  apparently  the electron-rich
 functional groups such as-SH groups.

http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/BCguidelines/silver/bcsilver-04.htm

Dozens of investigators have reported that silver particulates are
in colloidal silver. See text by Searle, and the vast bibliography
in Hill and Pillsbury. Experimental verification by powder-pattern
x-ray crystallography might be the most compelling evidence to me,
though.

   Your statements might be more interesting and useful if you provided
   some links. Sure, there is plenty of silver in silver oxides. But if
   the solutions were prepared using electrolysis, the particles cannot
   be silver metal. Many people wish and hope they are, but they cannot
   show any  equations to prove it. They certainly did not  know  of my
   work prior  to  publication,  and  experimental  results  are always
   subject to error and misinterpretation.

Equations prove nothing, experimental evidence and measurements prove
things.  Experiments and measurements prove that there are silver particles
in EIS, if one produces equations that disagree with the experimental
eveidence, then the equations must be wrong, not the evidence. That is how
science is done. I have proven it several times with spectroscopy, and
there are others who have proven it as well.  Silver oxide under no
condition causes water it is dissolved in, or suspended in, to be yellow,
only metallic silver particles will give a yellow or golden color to the
water.

You want equations, then fine, I can give you some:

Ag - -e - Ag+

This equation shows that the anode will produce silver ions.  At the other
elecrtrode you get Ag + -e - OH-.  That OH- ion is necessary to balance
the Ag+ ion and keep the solution neutral.

Once the ionic portion exceeds a certain ppm depending on imputities in the
water and the temperature and the ionic gradient, browning motion is
sufficient for two Ag+OH- ion pairs to come together, they fuse.  The
equation for that is:

2Ag+ + 2OH- = 2Ag + H2O + H2

The 2Ag is the particulate portion.  Now due to the lower amount of charge
on this particle and it's greater size, the probablility of an ion of
silver colliding with it is greater than two silver ions colliding, so
these particles tend to grow althrough the amount of ions is much higher.
The result is a combination of silver ions (actually silver hydroxide), and
silver particles.

There is no oxygen even available to form silver oxide, and it certainly
cannot form at the anode where electrochemistry shows that the electrolysis
will pull oxygen from silver oxide, not produce it.  However, since it is
known that silver hydroxide is somewhat unstable and will spontaneously
reduce to silver oxide, perhaps some of the ionic portion is silver oxide.
That at least makes sense, whereas the non dissolving particulate silver
portion being soluble silver oxide makes no sense at all.

Marshall



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Re: CSRe : CSbest pppm of CS to make and use

[Ode Coyote]

Since silver ions form oxides when the water evaporates and leaves filters
brown, perhaps filtering part of a batch that has been treated with
peroxide and part of the same batch that has not, will reveal something
interesting.
 If it's mostly metallic silver being formed..from whatever source, the
staining should be less distinct.
 If oxides are dissolved 'and' being formed as the water evaporates, the
staining should be much browner.

 Since I decant as needed rather than filter and have for years, I don't
have any used filters around to check or make any observations on to get
clues built up over time.
 I'll have to start from scratch.

 Then treating [with peroxide] the stains made by filtering at various
times with various additions , might reveal something.

 One thing that might be a clue is that batch I made using peroxide as a
'starter'.  It absolutely made silver particles..big and shiny ones, almost
big and shiny enough to shave by. [well, that's a exaggeration, but they
would have made for a good metalflake paint job and were very pretty like a
snow scene paperweight when shook up.]
 They eventually degraded into black oxide balls on the bottom and a yellow
cast to the water that wasn't there before but it took several
months...maybe a year.. sitting in a South facing window sill in a clear
glass jar.
Ode


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Re: CSRe: FerroFluids

[Marshall Dudley]

Mike Monett wrote:

   It is not possible. You need electrons. They are not available.

Huh? What are you talking about.  They are available as part of the OH- ion.
Look up pH if you don't understand this.



But it would not violate
thelaws
of thermodynamics.

   It doesn't  matter - you need electrons to convert the ions  back to
   silver metal. Electrons do not flow in water.

Where do you come up with this gobbly gook?  Do you just make it up as you go
along? You can get a electron flow in water by the movement of the OH-
radicals toward the electrode.  The OH- radical has an extra electron, which
it gives up willing when it reduces anything, such as Ag+.

   UV would work, but none of these are related to the topic,  which is
   the identity  of  particles  generated  by  passing  current through
   distilled water using silver electrodes.


What is generated is quite simple.  Hydrogen, Oxygen and silver ions.  There
is plenty of reference material to confirm this.  Silver particles are formed
later in the water by means I have already outlined in this group.


   As I have shown, the particles are oxides, not silver metal.

No what you have shown is your inability to think clearly.  Only an idiot
would claim that a substance that readily dissolves in water forms a sol.
Does sugar form a sol? Of course not IT IS SOLUBLE!

Marshall



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Re: CSScleroderma

[Marshall Dudley]

John Rigby wrote:

 At 09:56 PM 13/11/04, you wrote:
 On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 00:52, John Rigby wrote:
   At 12:24 PM 13/11/04, you wrote:
  
   DMSO helps. Buy DMSO Nature's Healer from Amazon for details of use.
   
   Garnet
  
   My only worry there would be the reabsorption of all that gunk back into
   the body.
 
 What gunk John? Anything over 1000 daltons, which inculdes even very
 large molecules can not be transported by DMSO. Give me a substance and
 I will look up the MSDS which tells you the molecular weight.
  Basically I was referring to the various toxins the poor old body
 is valiantly trying to excrete. Could be anything.

   But for healing the scar tissue later .  one of my old thing bites
   which simply didn't heal for gods know how long, was fixed by the magic of
   DMSO/CS in a coupla months of applications every time I thunk of it.
  
 Does not heal scar tissue. It will flatten it some but the scar tissue
 does not go away.
 ### Sorry to disagree, but it is only in point of order anyway
 here:  After CS miraculously repaired the wounds ( spider bite?) I later
 heard of  DMSO and began to apply it 70%:30% CS to the very prominent and
 angry looking scarring.  It improved cosmetically by an amazing degree.  It
 could be called flattening, I suppose.

If it will scar tissue, that is some very good information.  According to Rober
Becker, silver ions cause reversion to stem cells only for injured cells.  I 
have
often wondered about this statement, since apparently it will cause blood cells 
to
revert to stem cells, and the blood cells are not injured, unless by clotting.

Anyway, if anyone has any evidence of healing scar tissue with EIS and DMSO, I
would love to hear about it.

Marshall



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Re: CSFerroFluids

[Marshall Dudley]

I don't see how this is possible. How could one make a needle out of silver
nitrate?  Silver nitrate is a crystalline salt, just like sodium chloride. I
see no way one could fabricate a needle out of it, and if they did, it would
break with the slightest pressure, and would dissolve instantly when it hit
any water or water based substance.

Marshall

Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

 If memory serves me,  a sliver nitrate needle broke off during some
 kind of surgical therapy here in Japan;  the patient died as a result;
 silver nitrate was the cause.This may be in the archives. . . .
 the article itself though was a bit unclear.

 On Sunday, Nov 14, 2004, at 17:40 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote:

  Re: CSFerroFluids
  From: Jonathan B. Britten
  Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:19:19
 
Good Morning Jonathan,
 
I will reply to both of your messages here.
 
  Gentleman:
 
  I am  a  layman and this is a bit out of  my  territory.  I should
  note, however, that in my various and sundry readings about  CS, I
  learned that  silver  nitrate is deadly. Why  in  the  world would
  anyone be considering using that in vivo? Or did Quinto  care only
  about in vitro results? I apologize for lacking time to  read this
  myself just now, but I wish to make sure list members are aware of
  the toxicity issues, as I initially was not.
 
  JBB
 
Silver nitrate  is  not  quite  as  deadly  as  your  readings might
suggest. For  a long time, it was placed in newborns eyes  to combat
infections that  cause blindness. This made the  babies  eyes black,
and a doctor or nurse could easily tell which newborns received it.
 
Until a while ago, it was required by law, but newer  substances are
now recommended that are not as damaging to tissue.
 
I find  with  very few exceptions that  most  commercial  vendors do
whatever is  needed to sell their product. Whether their  claims are
true or not makes little difference, since newcomers have no  way to
determine who  is telling the truth. It's pretty much the  same with
other medicines such as those advertised on tv.
 
Re: CSFerroFluids
From: Jonathan B. Britten
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:14:45
 
  Mike,
 
  Your message suggests that CS would be useful in fighting NF. Have
  you suggested  this to the NNFF organization, or are  they already
  aware of  CS? The Cassi Moore page makes no mention of CS;  I have
  not read further.
 
  JBB
 
I have given up trying to spread the message about cs to the medical
establishment. Without  FDA  approval, no doctor  would  think about
using cs even if it raised people from the dead.
 
Curing people  is  not   in   the   best  interests  of  the medical
establishment. Keeping people barely alive so they can be billed for
treatment is much more profitable.
 
However, I am finding a great deal of interest in using cs  to treat
racehorses. Hopefully  this might spill over to the owners  using it
also and telling their friends about it.
 
  Best Wishes,
 
  Mike Monett
 
 
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Re: CSDr. Mercola

[Marshall Dudley]

What was the life expectance of Eskimos? Maybe they would know at
eskimo.com. I think I read their life expectancy dropped dramatically
once they started eating like we do.  Of course one has to look at
genetics as well, they could be genetically predisposed to handle a near
all meat and fat diet better than grains and carbohydrates..

Marshall

bbanever wrote:

 Nonsense.  I can assure you that if you continue to consume meat,
 sausage, bacon and other foods high in saturated fat, cholesterol,
 uric acid, testosterone, antibiotics, and many other nasty things you
 won't live very long.  Whole grains are an excellent and clean source
 of vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and proteins, especially the organic
 variety.  They can be consumed whole (cooked), sprouted (raw) or
 fermented (miso, natto, rejuvelac etc.).  Some animal food may be
 necessary for some folks, but bacon, eggs, and sausage are terrible
 choices.  Try feeding a cancer patient these foods and see how long
 they survive.

RE: CSScleroderma

[Richard Harris]

Hi Marshall,
Thanks for ALL the good info you so unselfishly share with us seekers!
Vitamin E applied to scars and wounds helps to heal smoothly.
Best wishes,
___
Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist
448 West Juniata Street
Clermont, FL 34711
www.rharrisinc.com
www.myseahealth.com/reh
http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com

 -Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:37 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSScleroderma

John Rigby wrote:

 At 09:56 PM 13/11/04, you wrote:

   But for healing the scar tissue later .  one of my old thing
bites
   which simply didn't heal for gods know how long, was fixed by the
magic of
   DMSO/CS in a coupla months of applications every time I thunk of it.
  
 Does not heal scar tissue. It will flatten it some but the scar tissue
 does not go away.
 ### Sorry to disagree, but it is only in point of order anyway
 here:  After CS miraculously repaired the wounds ( spider bite?) I later
 heard of  DMSO and began to apply it 70%:30% CS to the very prominent and
 angry looking scarring.  It improved cosmetically by an amazing degree.
It
 could be called flattening, I suppose.

If it will scar tissue, that is some very good information.  According to
Rober
Becker, silver ions cause reversion to stem cells only for injured cells.  I
have
often wondered about this statement, since apparently it will cause blood
cells to
revert to stem cells, and the blood cells are not injured, unless by
clotting.

Anyway, if anyone has any evidence of healing scar tissue with EIS and DMSO,
I
would love to hear about it.

Marshall



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Re: CSRe : CSbest pppm of CS to make and use

[Marshall Dudley]

Ode Coyote wrote:

 Since silver ions form oxides when the water evaporates and leaves filters
 brown, perhaps filtering part of a batch that has been treated with
 peroxide and part of the same batch that has not, will reveal something
 interesting.

I am not sure you can use color by looking at any powder to determine it's
composition.  A better way would be to add warm distilled water, and see what
dissolves.  If it is silver oxide it will dissolve, and if it is metallic
silver, it will not.  However, I do agree that the ionic portion most likely
will reduce to silver oxide because silver ions in water form a loose
association with the OH- radicals, and when you evaporate  the water, this will
become silver hydroxide, which spontaneiously breaks down into silver oxide
when in a concentrated form.


  If it's mostly metallic silver being formed..from whatever source, the
 staining should be less distinct.
  If oxides are dissolved 'and' being formed as the water evaporates, the
 staining should be much browner.

I don't quite follow you here.



  Since I decant as needed rather than filter and have for years, I don't
 have any used filters around to check or make any observations on to get
 clues built up over time.
  I'll have to start from scratch.

  Then treating [with peroxide] the stains made by filtering at various
 times with various additions , might reveal something.

I agree, I believe that all the ionic portion when you do this will be silver
oxide.



  One thing that might be a clue is that batch I made using peroxide as a
 'starter'.  It absolutely made silver particles..big and shiny ones, almost
 big and shiny enough to shave by. [well, that's a exaggeration, but they
 would have made for a good metalflake paint job and were very pretty like a
 snow scene paperweight when shook up.]
  They eventually degraded into black oxide balls on the bottom and a yellow
 cast to the water that wasn't there before but it took several
 months...maybe a year.. sitting in a South facing window sill in a clear
 glass jar.

The effect of hydrogen peroxide is quite complicated, I think all the following
occur, at different rates:

2(Ag+ OH-) + H2O2 - Ag2O + H2O2 + H2O  IE. H2O2 is a catalyst and unchanged by
this since the two OH radicals combine and replace the original molecule
Ag + H2O2 - Ag2O + H2O Metal converts to silver oxide
Ag2O + H2O2 - 2Ag + H2O + O2 silver oxide converts to metalic pairs of silver
atoms.

And there could be others that involve AgO a less abundant silver oxide as
well.

Marshall


 Ode

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CSRE: West NileVirus

[PanAmPete]

 West Nile is really a very mild virus. It only kills the infirm, the old
 and the immune deficient. Most of it is hype to promote spraying for
 misquitoes, sell misquitoe repellent products and horse vaccines.

 Most people get it and don't even know they have it. Still a very good
 reason to consume CS daily year round, there's always something waiting
 around to prey on you and waste your energy.

 Garnet

In re the above, I am past retirement age, dependent on O2, but am hoping my
immune system holds up!  Just curious, am I one of the un-worthy?  And yes,
I had double pneumonia back in March/April this year. I have several children 
and
am still working, plus I am a 65 gallon blood donor and a 8yr vet of NAM.  
Garnet
Not to burst your bubble, but my loving family considers me 
indispensable-sorry
you don't feel the same!  Pete

RE: CSRE: West NileVirus

[Richard Harris]

Thanks Pete, for your wonderful service to our Marvelous Country from a 4 yr
WWII Marine who also served in the Pacific! In response to Your
Question--YOU are definitely NOT dispensable; however, Garnet, who is a
great, unselfish contributor to this Site has a great sense of humor which
occasionally does NOT state what she meant. I interpreted Garnet's words to
mean that everyone should take CS regularly and NOT have to worry about
whether or not some bug comes your way, since CS will put on your
gospel-armor, and probably protect you and your loved ones. Her
tongue-in-cheek observation that this West Nile Virus can be bad for those
who will not consider and take CS, a special gift from GOD, that He uses to
protect us!
Sincerely,
___
Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist
448 West Juniata Street
Clermont, FL 34711
www.rharrisinc.com
www.myseahealth.com/reh
http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com


  -Original Message-
  From: panamp...@aol.com [mailto:panamp...@aol.com]
  Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:30 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSRE: West NileVirus


   West Nile is really a very mild virus. It only kills the infirm, the old
   and the immune deficient. Most of it is hype to promote spraying for
   misquitoes, sell misquitoe repellent products and horse vaccines.
  
   Most people get it and don't even know they have it. Still a very good
   reason to consume CS daily year round, there's always something waiting
   around to prey on you and waste your energy.
  
   Garnet

  In re the above, I am past retirement age, dependent on O2, but am hoping
my
  immune system holds up!  Just curious, am I one of the un-worthy?  And
yes,
  I had double pneumonia back in March/April this year. I have several
children and
  am still working, plus I am a 65 gallon blood donor and a 8yr vet of NAM.
Garnet
  Not to burst your bubble, but my loving family considers me
indispensable-sorry
  you don't feel the same!  Pete

CSRe: FerroFluids

[Matthew McCann]

Hi, Marshall,

Thanks for your reminder that equations must always
give way to experimental observations, in the final
analysis.

The ability of LVDC electrolysis to generate a sol of
metallic silver in distilled water is made directly visible to the
naked eye by the shiny slicks of metallic silver that
collect at the surface when the electrolysis goes on too
long. Sometimes these slicks form at the electrodes,
but sometimes not.

Thanks for also reminding us that there is a 
difference between electrons and charges. Current is
is a flow of charge, not just a flow of electrons.
In fact, current can even exist without charge; Maxwell
called this the displacement current. He realized that
electromagnetic waves could not propagate without
such chargeless current.

Current without electron flow happens routinely in
the rectifiers we use to convert AC to DC for our
electrolysis apparatus. The p-type material in diodes,
if heavily doped, has virtually no free electrons. But
current flows nonetheless.

Best regards,

Matthew

Re: CSRE: West NileVirus

[cking001]

Uh, Pete?
Where did Garnet mention unworthy?

Seems she said old people ,infirm people, and those with immune
deficiencies are susceptible to mild viruses and that she believes
West Nile to be in that category.

Why the personal affront?

Generally, her statement is true.

Mike M seems to be going through one of his cranky periods, don't get
sucked into it.

Chuck

Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.


On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:30:21 -0500 (EST), panamp...@aol.com wrote:

 West Nile is really a very mild virus. It only kills the infirm, the old
 and the immune deficient. Most of it is hype to promote spraying for
 misquitoes, sell misquitoe repellent products and horse vaccines.

 Most people get it and don't even know they have it. Still a very good
 reason to consume CS daily year round, there's always something waiting
 around to prey on you and waste your energy.

 Garnet

In re the above, I am past retirement age, dependent on O2, but am hoping my
immune system holds up!  Just curious, am I one of the un-worthy?



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Re: CSdogs ear infections,helps for infections,

[Sally Khanna]

We have the same problem with our Rhodesian Ridgeback.  She gets ear problems, 
the vet said there was no infection, but an allergy was most likely the cause.  
We switched her diet to lamb and rice PM, my hubby gives her a beef and rice 
soncoction he makes for her AM feeding.  The ears are much better, but I think 
I'm going to try spraying CS in her ears.
 
Isn't that what some of you are doing?
 
Sally

Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote:
Wanted to mention that I battled ear infection in a Bullmastiff Great
Pyrenees cross for years until a vet told me to look at food allergies.
When I switched to a lamb and rice kibble her allergies disappeared(flea
bite and dermatitis) and so did her ear infections.

Garnet


On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 07:12, Garnet wrote:
 Jacob Lab sells pure DMSO and a low odor DMSO but I think the request
 was for a source in Australia (aka Oz).
 
 You can buy ear cleaner, exact same formulation as the vets Epiotic,
 just ask -- much cheaper from 1-800-JEFFERS, a truly wholesale vet
 supply. Their MSM is very cheap, as low as $5 lb. And their DMSO is 99%
 pure, vet grade. It is what I use. It is $5 pint. If you order out of
 the horse catalog and it totals over $75 shipping is free, not true of
 the pet catalog but you can add a few dog and cat items to a livestock
 order. I've been ordering from them since the early 70's -- saved me a
 lot of $$$ over the years, as many critters as I seem to attract.
 
 
 Garnet



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Re: CSBeing lied to

[sol]

 Sure, they told me there was no iodine in their products. I did not 
ask them if they *added* iodine, but whether the products *contained* 
any iodine, and explained about my severe allergy.  They said no, a flat 
no. No iodine.
  I wrote again, pressing harder (gut feeling) again stating my severe 
allergy to iodine. At which point they admitted that since their 
probiotic organisms are grown on sea vegetables (I now forget the exact 
wording) that they did indeed inevitably contain iodine. Their second 
email was also brusque to the point of rudeness. It was clear to me they 
were very unhappy to admit they had lied in their first reply to me.  
They further suggested that because of my iodine allergy I not use any 
of their products.
  So be careful, if you have any patients with iodine allergy. GOL 
products are probably a bad idea for such persons.
 Some people may think *lie* is too strong a word to use here, but I 
believe having read their emails and re-read my inquiries to them at the 
time that they indeed lied, and did it deliberately. Called on it, I'm 
sure they would say it was a simple mistake.

paula


bbanever wrote:

Sol - Could you please elaborate on what ingredients/products you were 
misled about?  I have used some of their products on myself and 
patients and would very much like to know what you were told.
 
Thanks.
 
Bob



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Re: CSdogs ear infections,helps for infections,

[Garnet]

One problem with CS in the ears is that keeping them wet is going to
encourage the infection. I would use DMSO and CS, 30-50% on the DMSO,
this will keep it dry-er. Watch the moisture level, after the CS DMSO
has had time to soak in, dry the ear out with Epi-Otic solution or
cotton. Those long floppy ears make it hard to get good air circulation.

Wheat is the most common allergy in dogs, but they can be allergic to
chicken or beef too. I would go strictly with one food, a sort of
elimination diet. Until her ears get cleared up then introduce new foods
one at a time and see if she reacts. You can also try taking her heart
rate before and after giving a new food, adrenaline release in an
allergic reaction generally makes heart rate and blood pressure go up.

Garnet

On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 17:51, Sally Khanna wrote:
 We have the same problem with our Rhodesian Ridgeback.  She gets ear
 problems, the vet said there was no infection, but an allergy was most
 likely the cause.  We switched her diet to lamb and rice PM, my hubby
 gives her a beef and rice soncoction he makes for her AM feeding.  The
 ears are much better, but I think I'm going to try spraying CS in her
 ears.
  
 Isn't that what some of you are doing?
  
 Sally
 
 Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Wanted to mention that I battled ear infection in a
 Bullmastiff Great
 Pyrenees cross for years until a vet told me to look at food
 allergies.
 When I switched to a lamb and rice kibble her allergies
 disappeared(flea
 bite and dermatitis) and so did her ear infections.
 
 Garnet
 
 
 On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 07:12, Garnet wrote:
  Jacob Lab sells pure DMSO and a low odor DMSO but I think
 the request
  was for a source in Australia (aka Oz).
  
  You can buy ear cleaner, exact same formulation as the vets
 Epiotic,
  just ask -- much cheaper from 1-800-JEFFERS, a truly
 wholesale vet
  supply. Their MSM is very cheap, as low as $5 lb. And their
 DMSO is 99%
  pure, vet grade. It is what I use. It is $5 pint. If you
 order out of
  the horse catalog and it totals over $75 shipping is free,
 not true of
  the pet ! catalog but you can add a few dog and cat items to
 a livestock
  order. I've been ordering from them since the early 70's --
 saved me a
  lot of $$$ over the years, as many critters as I seem to
 attract.
  
  
  Garnet
 
 
 
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Re: CSFerroFluids

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I don't understand it either,  but this is what the article stated.  I 
posted here in hopes someone would make it clear to me.Perhaps the 
writers themselves were not clear no the details,  and in fact the 
needle was merely a vehicle for delivering silver nitrate to the 
tissues doctors were treating.   That sounds plausible.   Sorry for the 
lack of clarity,  which I was seeking by posting the initial message.   
We have some MDs on the list I think.I have never before or since 
heard of any kind of silver nitrate therapy.



On Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004, at 01:46 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:

I don't see how this is possible. How could one make a needle out of 
silver
nitrate?  Silver nitrate is a crystalline salt, just like sodium 
chloride. I
see no way one could fabricate a needle out of it, and if they did, it 
would
break with the slightest pressure, and would dissolve instantly when 
it hit

any water or water based substance.

Marshall

Jonathan B. Britten wrote:


If memory serves me,  a sliver nitrate needle broke off during some
kind of surgical therapy here in Japan;  the patient died as a result;
silver nitrate was the cause.This may be in the archives. . . .
the article itself though was a bit unclear.

On Sunday, Nov 14, 2004, at 17:40 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote:


Re: CSFerroFluids
From: Jonathan B. Britten
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:19:19

  Good Morning Jonathan,

  I will reply to both of your messages here.


Gentleman:



I am  a  layman and this is a bit out of  my  territory.  I should
note, however, that in my various and sundry readings about  CS, I
learned that  silver  nitrate is deadly. Why  in  the  world would
anyone be considering using that in vivo? Or did Quinto  care only
about in vitro results? I apologize for lacking time to  read this
myself just now, but I wish to make sure list members are aware of
the toxicity issues, as I initially was not.



JBB


  Silver nitrate  is  not  quite  as  deadly  as  your  readings 
might
  suggest. For  a long time, it was placed in newborns eyes  to 
combat
  infections that  cause blindness. This made the  babies  eyes 
black,

  and a doctor or nurse could easily tell which newborns received it.

  Until a while ago, it was required by law, but newer  substances 
are

  now recommended that are not as damaging to tissue.

  I find  with  very few exceptions that  most  commercial  vendors 
do
  whatever is  needed to sell their product. Whether their  claims 
are
  true or not makes little difference, since newcomers have no  way 
to
  determine who  is telling the truth. It's pretty much the  same 
with

  other medicines such as those advertised on tv.

  Re: CSFerroFluids
  From: Jonathan B. Britten
  Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:14:45


Mike,



Your message suggests that CS would be useful in fighting NF. Have
you suggested  this to the NNFF organization, or are  they already
aware of  CS? The Cassi Moore page makes no mention of CS;  I have
not read further.



JBB


  I have given up trying to spread the message about cs to the 
medical
  establishment. Without  FDA  approval, no doctor  would  think 
about

  using cs even if it raised people from the dead.

  Curing people  is  not   in   the   best  interests  of  the 
medical
  establishment. Keeping people barely alive so they can be billed 
for

  treatment is much more profitable.

  However, I am finding a great deal of interest in using cs  to 
treat
  racehorses. Hopefully  this might spill over to the owners  using 
it

  also and telling their friends about it.

Best Wishes,

Mike Monett


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CSiodine

[bbanever]

Paula,

  Thanks.  

CSHidradenitis Suppurativa HS..inflammation of sweat glands

[Hanneke]

Hello everyone,
After having been away for quite a few months, I'm slowly catching up on emails 
and  absorbing all the great info.  Thanks everyone for this fantastic group.

I've got a question.
Has anyone got information on the condition or disease, and perhaps successful 
natural treatment of,   Hidradenitis Suppurativa (HS) which apparently involves 
the development of abscesses in/under the skin which have to be removed 
surgically.  The lady has been suffering from this for the last 6 years but 
only recently given the diagnosis.

Any and all  information would be greatly appreciated.



Hanneke ~ Australia

CSNewbie

[lynn holton]

Hi, I'm new here. Not a rocket scientist, but have been introduced to the importance of CS. Going through a divorce with a lot of stress therefore have satyed sick constantly it seems like. After buying and realizing how expensive it can get found someone who has shown me how to make it at home. With just the 9 volt batteries, but have so many questions. He told me I had to have noniodized salt to make it happen which was true. It didn't started cooking till I added a little salt, but now I'm hearing that salt makes it toxic. Is this true? What I really need is to be able to locate someone locally to help me out firsthand. I live in DAllas, Tx. Do any of you know anyone in Dallas that I could contact?
Lynn


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CSDr. Mercola

[bbanever]

Marshall,

The eskimos are eating mostly raw, organically produced meat/blubber and 
living in very cold climates.  This necessitates a higher metabolic rate for 
increased body heat which is produced by those foods.   If you ate their 
typical diet in more temperate climates you wouldn't live that long.  Also, 
they aren't eating bacon, cheesebugers, hotdogs, sausage, and other fatty, 
cooked, and processed meats full of nitrates, nitrites, coloring agents, 
flavoring agents, antibiotics, rodent hairs, fecal matter, and other 
non-nutritional additives.  Eating raw meat offers the body enzymes capable of 
digesting the meat, and other vitamin/mineral and protein substances not 
destroyed by heat, ionizing radiation, antibiotics, and other preservatives.  
Go ahead, eat all those high trans-fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol laden 
meats just don't complain when you're told by your cardiologist you need a 
triple bypass.

CSCS:originof grains in the diet

[Harold MacDonald]

Re my previous post stating grain seeds were supplied after the great flood
.I evidently was wrong on that as I have recently acquired Z.Sitchens latest
bookThe Lost Book of Enki in which it is shown that seeds were given to
the multitudes of Earthlings and Anunnaki to feed them long before the
Deluge.My info re 7700 years was relying on my memory from my reading the
first 6 books in the series,which was approx. 7 to 8 years ago.As I have
said many times in the past,memory is the poorest thing on which to rely.
I lent out those books some years ago,so I didn't have them readily
available.I still highly recommend them even if getting them one at a time.
Harold


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CSRe: FerroFluids

[Tony Moody]

Hi Marshall,
Thanks for the very clear explanations in the past few emails under 
this subject. 

Your logic and science make abundant sense to me. I have been at 
this CS for quite a while and was getting awfully confused by the 
recent claims by M Monet which don't seem to make practical sense.

All the best.
Tony


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CSColon cleanse

[tlwidmer]

Hello all--
  There has been some discussion about colon cleanses.  Which cleanse, in
your collective opinion, works very efficiently yet won't max out my credit
card??  And in getting rid of parasites, is Dr. Clark's formula the best?
Do I need to use a zapper/mag. pulser thingy?
Just trying to piece it all together.  I'm doing good with my cs, now I want
to keep improving.
TIA!
Theresa
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CSInuit

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Note to all:  these people wish to be called Inuit and consider the 
term Eskimo derogatory.



On Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004, at 12:30 Asia/Tokyo, bbanever wrote:


Marshall,
 
    The eskimos are eating mostly raw, organically produced 
meat/blubber and living in very cold climates.  This necessitates a 
higher metabolic rate for increased body heat which is produced by 
those foods.   If you ate their typical diet in more temperate 
climates you wouldn't live that long.  Also, they aren't eating bacon, 
cheesebugers, hotdogs, sausage, and other fatty, cooked, and processed 
meats full of nitrates, nitrites, coloring agents, flavoring agents, 
antibiotics, rodent hairs, fecal matter, and other non-nutritional 
additives.  Eating raw meat offers the body enzymes capable of 
digesting the meat, and other vitamin/mineral and protein substances 
not destroyed by heat, ionizing radiation, antibiotics, and other 
preservatives.  Go ahead, eat all those high trans-fat, saturated fat, 
and cholesterol laden meats just don't complain when you're told 
by your cardiologist you need a triple bypass.

Re: CSColon cleanse

[Tel Tofflemire]

I heard of wonderful results with all of Dr.
Clarks Cleanse. I worked for her assoc. and was the guy on the phone
most of the time answering questions, and hearing good results from
users of her programs.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ

tlwid...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  Hello all--
  There has been some discussion about colon cleanses.  Which cleanse, in
your collective opinion, works very efficiently yet won't max out my credit
card??  And in getting rid of parasites, is Dr. Clark's formula the best?
Do I need to use a zapper/mag. pulser thingy?
Just trying to piece it all together.  I'm doing good with my cs, now I want
to keep improving.
TIA!
Theresa
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CSInuit

[bbanever]

Jonathan - Thank you and I stand corrected.  I also apologize to any Inuit that 
may have read my post.

Re: CSdogs ear infections,helps for infections,

[Sally Khanna]

Well, I know she's allergic to chicken.  That's why she's on the lamb and rice 
diet.  But we still need to keep after her ears somewhat.
 
The DMSO from Jeffers - do you only use it for animals?  Or for yourself also?
 
Sally

Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote:
One problem with CS in the ears is that keeping them wet is going to
encourage the infection. I would use DMSO and CS, 30-50% on the DMSO,
this will keep it dry-er. Watch the moisture level, after the CS DMSO
has had time to soak in, dry the ear out with Epi-Otic solution or
cotton. Those long floppy ears make it hard to get good air circulation.

Wheat is the most common allergy in dogs, but they can be allergic to
chicken or beef too. I would go strictly with one food, a sort of
elimination diet. Until her ears get cleared up then introduce new foods
one at a time and see if she reacts. You can also try taking her heart
rate before and after giving a new food, adrenaline release in an
allergic reaction generally makes heart rate and blood pressure go up.

Garnet

On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 17:51, Sally Khanna wrote:
 We have the same problem with our Rhodesian Ridgeback. She gets ear
 problems, the vet said there was no infection, but an allergy was most
 likely the cause. We switched her diet to lamb and rice PM, my hubby
 gives her a beef and rice soncoction he makes for her AM feeding. The
 ears are much better, but I think I'm going to try spraying CS in her
 ears.
 
 Isn't that what some of you are doing?
 
 Sally
 
 Garnet wrote:
 Wanted to mention that I battled ear infection in a
 Bullmastiff Great
 Pyrenees cross for years until a vet told me to look at food
 allergies.
 When I switched to a lamb and rice kibble her allergies
 disappeared(flea
 bite and dermatitis) and so did her ear infections.
 
 Garnet
 
 
 On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 07:12, Garnet wrote:
  Jacob Lab sells pure DMSO and a low odor DMSO but I think
 the request
  was for a source in Australia (aka Oz).
  
  You can buy ear cleaner, exact same formulation as the vets
 Epiotic,
  just ask -- much cheaper from 1-800-JEFFERS, a truly
 wholesale vet
  supply. Their MSM is very cheap, as low as $5 lb. And their
 DMSO is 99%
  pure, vet grade. It is what I use. It is $5 pint. If you
 order out of
  the horse catalog and it totals over $75 shipping is free,
 not true of
  the pet ! catalog but you can add a few dog and cat items to
 a livestock
  order. I've been ordering from them since the early 70's --
 saved me a
  lot of $$$ over the years, as many critters as I seem to
 attract.
  
  
  Garnet
 
 
 
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Re: CSInuit

[Jonathan B. Britten]

You are quite welcome.  It is something I had not known for years and 
years either.   LIve and learn!



On Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004, at 14:59 Asia/Tokyo, bbanever wrote:

Jonathan - Thank you and I stand corrected.  I also apologize to any 
Inuit that may have read my post.

Re: CSColon cleanse

[scl...@netzero.net]

   Dr Clark's formula is pretty good. A couple of other herbs that work great 
are graviola and Olive Leaf extract (Eastpark Research works best for me, 
others are good too). The zapper (Terminator 2) works great for relieving 
colds, flus, viruses and parasites. The magpulser has a been a real blessing 
for pain relief as well. The Sota MGP5 is awesome ($219 shipped from 
elixa.com). If you can't afford the machines, the CS and Hulda Clarks formula 
are a great start. You can build your healing arsenal little by little as you 
can afford it.

Steve




Hello all--
  There has been some discussion about colon cleanses.  Which cleanse, in
your collective opinion, works very efficiently yet won't max out my credit
card??  And in getting rid of parasites, is Dr. Clark's formula the best?
Do I need to use a zapper/mag. pulser thingy?
Just trying to piece it all together.  I'm doing good with my cs, now I want
to keep improving.
TIA!
Theresa


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