CSNIH 'Factsheet' on CS
The U.S. National Institutes of Health's National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (whew!) issued a May 2004 'Consumer Advisory': This fact sheet provides a general overview of colloidal silver products, discusses scientific research findings on their use for health purposes, and suggests additional sources of information http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/index.htm#key Salient rebuttals welcome. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.0.0 - Release Date: 2/18/05 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Cancer Alternative treatments
Laurie B. writes: My dad has Leukemia that is in remission. Can you direct me to the search for alternative treatments? I would like to start now and hopefully be prepared if needed. Thanks so much. Greetings Laurie, I've set aside answering your question until I could get past my friend's funeral and actually have a chance to spend some time on it. I've both posted it to the list and copied it to you directly. I'm no expert at this point. Apart from hearsay picked up over the last 8 years I've done little more than reading a variety of web sites and a few books this last month. You're exactly right to start your search now. Since doctors are not *allowed* to be experts in this area, you'll have to become one instead. My first effort with Google after learning of Richard's diagnosis was to type coffee enemas into the search box... I'd heard this phrase many times, associated with some cancer treatment or other, and figured that if people were enthused about something as bizarre sounding as that, there might be a reason. grin In fact there is. The result was numerous references to the therapy developed by a physician named Max Gerson in the first half of the 20th century. Go to amazon.com and type Gerson into the search box and you'll find the book recently published by his daughter, Charlotte Gerson, which gives a full history and update on the treatment protocol. If you follow up enough random links you'll find other therapies mentioned, many called by the name of the person who developed them: Budwig, Kelly, Beck, Clark, etc. A good starting place is www.curezone.com ... They cover many different conditions there, cancer being one. There are also public forums where you can listen in on discussions among searchers like yourself and researchers, patients and survivors. A key to look for is first person testimonials from people who are not trying to sell anything. Another area to look into is the several electromedicine devices. These range from simple things that anybody who can assemble a small electronics project can manage, to elaborate, difficult, expensive, and potentially dangerous gizmos that may or may not be of any use at all. Simply put, there's a lot of schlock out there that you have to get past to find the serious researchers and users. But, taken all together, I believe that such things are at best adjunctive measures to support and enhance an effort to heal by the more comprehensive therapies, such as Gerson's. John Rigby, Himagain, on this list has given us a glimpse or two of his strategies that seems to agree with what I've read about the other successful approaches: Number one is to eliminate, as perfectly as you can achieve, everything that's bad for you from diet and environment. Most include animal protein in this category, at least during the early healing phase. Some allow a bit of animal protein back in after a time, many do not. Contaminants, pollutants, refined foods, toxic fats, artificial sweeteners... all are land mines that you need to disarm and remove from your path to health. Number two is to replace it all with the very best quality food and supplementation you can obtain... and it had better be pretty good. Most agree this includes an overwhelming portion of your food being fresh, raw, organic fruits and vegetables. Key to number two is to restore things to your diet that have been all but lost by modern agriculture and food processing techniques; essential fatty acids, enzymes, trace minerals, vitamins, glyconutrients, to name a few. Third is to help the body to detoxify. Here's where you'll find everything from the aforementioned coffee enemas to various sauna technologies, herbals, medicinals... the list is long. Choose a few that make sense and be persistent. What disappears from your life is the option of being lazy, I'm afraid. By the time you've read enough case histories and personal testimonials, you'll begin to appreciate just how powerfully you can act to restore your health. These therapies don't just cure cancer, they cure *you.* What also becomes plain is that there are no guarantees. People still get sick and die. Sometimes the damage has just been too much. Others are unable to stick to the lifestyle. Some choose the wrong options despite their best efforts and just come up short. Now that I understand this much, I realize I face a decision: Do I start to live in a way that's totally different from my family and everyone I know, restore my health and outlive nearly all of my peers? Or do I continue to live as the rest of the world lives, and die when they die? I'll be 48 years old this fall. Do you realize I can have another 50 years or more to live vigorously, invest, love, explore the world? Or I can be dead or dieing within 15 years... or months. That's my choice. And yours. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
CSNIH 'Factsheet' on CS
Laboratory analysis has shown that the amounts of silver in supplements vary greatly, which can pose risks to the consumer. There is a certain amount of truth to what the NIH states here. But it makes it all the more important that consumers migrate eventually to D-I-Y EIS. Incidentally, I prefer thermal stirring because I conjecture that it seems to accomodate the formation of silver slick on the top surface of the brew a little bit better than other stirring methods. The appearance of the silver slick is a natural end-point indicator - inexpensive, objective, reproducible, and a useful byproduct. (I suck it off with a glass tube and swish it around my mouth like a mouthwash.) Matthew
Re: CSNIH 'Factsheet' on CS
This always amuses me - as they state effects and always come up with the one Colloidal silver can cause serious side effects. One is argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the body. Argyria is not treatable or reversible. They never talk about the ppm which is where everything begins and ends Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Cancer Alternative treatments
Thanks for that well thought out post Mike. You are right on the money. Unless diet and lifestyle are changed, all the modalities we have(cs, electronics, herbs etc.) are just bandaids. They help but will never overcome the underlying problems caused by bad food and an unhealthy lifestyle. My wife and I are trying to do this little by little. Blessings Steve L -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNIH 'Factsheet' on CS: Wandering COMMENT
Such spin-doctoring appears typical of the FDA/NIH.These people have the additional advantage of never having to justify either the slanting' OR outright lies they generate.primarily because our controlled media cartel insures this advantage. Naturally, it is INFURIATING to read such tripebut one must realize they are not interested in accuracy or truth.just conditioning of the public. However, citizens take heart, if they were not getting edgy.they would not even take the inconvenience of distributing such propaganda. It is dawning upon even the most egocentric of these ill-bred savagesa consequential portion of the sheeple have begun to awaken from their stupor.and THEY know it. Look for an increase of such slanted conditioning.in the immediate future. As the list membership is, obviously, aware-this group is not concerned with the likes of you.their motives involve the as yet' NON-COMMITTED in the struggle over cultural belief systems. I believe it is counter-productive to vent ones spleen to such organizations; both because your rebuttals will never be presented for public view (at least not through their venue), and your revelations accenting their weak, inaccurate statements will be utilized to construct ever-more-clever deceitsfor presentation to the general public. I suggest a different tactutilize your time/energies to educate and influence local, interested parties ...through rational explanations, direct evidence and common logicin an effort to assist the persons displaying their personal responsibility for their own state-of-health. Each of us has a finite spectrum of energy-through-time and it behooves us to spend this resource as wisely and profitably as is reasonably feasible. Rising to the lure of a fixed-game, controlled by an adversary using marked cards, possessing the only microphone on the rostrum.and dedicated to your personal ruin is, in my belief..a fool's endeavor. Interestingly, throughout most modern wars, the most effective combatantsboth quantitatively and qualitatively, have with little question been snipersand primarily so.because of their increased target-selection spectrum. Based on results minus economy-of-effort, these combatants are elevated far beyond the others. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley - Original Message - From: sarongs...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNIH 'Factsheet' on CS Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:12:09 -0800 The U.S. National Institutes of Health's National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (whew!) issued a May 2004 'Consumer Advisory': This fact sheet provides a general overview of colloidal silver products, discusses scientific research findings on their use for health purposes, and suggests additional sources of information http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/index.htm#key Salient rebuttals welcome. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.0.0 - Release Date: 2/18/05 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
Re: CScathode/anode question
The positive wire ought to be the silver doner, yes. The positive electrode in such a cell is called the anode (anion source). The negative is the cathode. I recently set up a small cd brewer in a quart jar with two silver wires, and allowed it to cook until one of the wires was gone. The purpose of this exercise was to determine conclusively which wire dissolved and which one didn't, so I could use a silver wire and a stainless steel one (and not be trying to dissolve the wrong one). The positive silver wire was the wire that was dissolved and gone the next day. So the positive wire (the cathode?) is attracted to the negative (the anode)? Is that the general consensus? [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe:CScathode/anode question
My Audel's Electrical Dictionary indicates that the Positive terminal is the Cathode.Bill -- I recently set up a small cd brewer in a quart jar with two silver wires, and allowed it to cook until one of the wires was gone. The purpose of this exercise was to determine conclusively which wire dissolved and which one didn't, so I could use a silver wire and a stainless steel one (and not be trying to dissolve the wrong one). The positive silver wire was the wire that was dissolved and gone the next day. So the positive wire (the cathode?) is attracted to the negative (the anode)? Is that the general consensus? Please comment. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScathode/anode question
I recently set up a small cd brewer in a quart jar with two silver wires, and allowed it to cook until one of the wires was gone. The purpose of this exercise was to determine conclusively which wire dissolved and which one didn't, so I could use a silver wire and a stainless steel one (and not be trying to dissolve the wrong one). The positive silver wire was the wire that was dissolved and gone the next day. So the positive wire (the cathode?) is attracted to the negative (the anode)? Is that the general consensus? Please comment. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CStype of silver
does anyone know the effectiveness or safety about a product that I keep hearing about ? It is a type of collodial silver and the web site is www.suvida.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: NIH 'Factsheet' on CS: Wandering COMMENT
Thank you, Mr. Bradley---it seems you've managed to 'wander' right on target: http://tinyurl.com/5egze http://tinyurl.com/4bxvl http://tinyurl.com/496pn The initial NIH article was cited by a retired (from the EPA) chap in another Forum who delights in needling me about the lack of 'scientific' evidence for CS's efficacy, though he does use silver to purify his household water system. Much to my delight, Frank Key's google ad http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html appeared at the bottom of the page---to which I directed him for further enlightenment, rather than engage in 'venting my spleen'. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/05 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHello out there....
I am looking for, I think his name is, Richard Harris...he's a retired pharmacist in Florida (in his 80s). I would like the link to his website if anyone knows it. I appreciate any help. Thanks so much, Laurie Bartlett http://www.youravon.com/lbartlett
Re: CSHello out there....
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Re: CSRE: Cancer Alternative treatments
Interesting commentary Mike, and one I share in principle with you. I picked up the gauntlet for personal well-being 35 years agoand have steadily improved since. While I have aged, it has been a graceful, linear occurrencemanifesting through a gradual loss of lean muscle tissue/brute strength and loss of flexibility (more specifically in the upper body articulating joints). plus a marked reduction in short-term memory (most especially regarding subject matter of moderate import). I have enjoyed pronounced resistance to pathogenic insult, retained/increased my terminal fatigue index (*stamina), my deductive and inductive mental talents, keen eyesightand optimism regarding human destiny. It would be remiss of me not to endorse/recommend such a course as the one you have just proposed. Sincerely, Brooks. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Cancer Alternative treatments Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:39:49 -5 Laurie B. writes: My dad has Leukemia that is in remission. Can you direct me to the search for alternative treatments? I would like to start now and hopefully be prepared if needed. Thanks so much. Greetings Laurie, I've set aside answering your question until I could get past my friend's funeral and actually have a chance to spend some time on it. I've both posted it to the list and copied it to you directly. I'm no expert at this point. Apart from hearsay picked up over the last 8 years I've done little more than reading a variety of web sites and a few books this last month. You're exactly right to start your search now. Since doctors are not *allowed* to be experts in this area, you'll have to become one instead. My first effort with Google after learning of Richard's diagnosis was to type coffee enemas into the search box... I'd heard this phrase many times, associated with some cancer treatment or other, and figured that if people were enthused about something as bizarre sounding as that, there might be a reason. grin In fact there is. The result was numerous references to the therapy developed by a physician named Max Gerson in the first half of the 20th century. Go to amazon.com and type Gerson into the search box and you'll find the book recently published by his daughter, Charlotte Gerson, which gives a full history and update on the treatment protocol. If you follow up enough random links you'll find other therapies mentioned, many called by the name of the person who developed them: Budwig, Kelly, Beck, Clark, etc. A good starting place is www.curezone.com ... They cover many different conditions there, cancer being one. There are also public forums where you can listen in on discussions among searchers like yourself and researchers, patients and survivors. A key to look for is first person testimonials from people who are not trying to sell anything. Another area to look into is the several electromedicine devices. These range from simple things that anybody who can assemble a small electronics project can manage, to elaborate, difficult, expensive, and potentially dangerous gizmos that may or may not be of any use at all. Simply put, there's a lot of schlock out there that you have to get past to find the serious researchers and users. But, taken all together, I believe that such things are at best adjunctive measures to support and enhance an effort to heal by the more comprehensive therapies, such as Gerson's. John Rigby, Himagain, on this list has given us a glimpse or two of his strategies that seems to agree with what I've read about the other successful approaches: Number one is to eliminate, as perfectly as you can achieve, everything that's bad for you from diet and environment. Most include animal protein in this category, at least during the early healing phase. Some allow a bit of animal protein back in after a time, many do not. Contaminants, pollutants, refined foods, toxic fats, artificial sweeteners... all are land mines that you need to disarm and remove from your path to health. Number two is to replace it all with the very best quality food and supplementation you can obtain... and it had better be pretty good. Most agree this includes an overwhelming portion of your food being fresh, raw, organic fruits and vegetables. Key to number two is to restore things to your diet that have been all but lost by modern agriculture and food processing techniques; essential fatty acids, enzymes, trace minerals, vitamins, glyconutrients, to name a few. Third is to help the body to detoxify. Here's where you'll find everything from the aforementioned coffee enemas to various sauna technologies, herbals, medicinals... the list is long. Choose a few that make sense and be persistent. What disappears from your life is the option of being lazy, I'm afraid.
Re: CSVaricosities... and hemorrhoids!
There is documentation, but that wuld take searching.l I can tell you about my friend who cut off the tip of his thumb. It was saved and the doctors sewed it back on to his thumb. I had him soak his thumb in CS every two hours, and he kept it covered with a gauze soaked in CS 24/7. Today his thumb print is exactly as it was before the accident.m NO SCAR WHAT SO EVER. Nancy - Original Message - From: Nina Whit ninaw...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: Re: CSVaricosities... and hemorrhoids! Is there documentation tha CS promotes stim cells? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
