Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-04 Thread Jonathan B. Britten
I am very happy to find this posting,  as I just happen to have FINALLY 
received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting book,  The 
Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am open-mindedly 
skeptical about Reich's claimed observations,  but intend to keep 
reading and learning. Ed's useful post gives me a good site to 
continue that effort.  Much obliged!But note that the first link, 
supposedly to a pleomorphism site,  has evidently been taken over by a 
landscaping outfit!






On Friday, Mar 4, 2005, at 15:54 Asia/Tokyo, Ed Kasper wrote:


How does CS work ?
most say by killing all single cell organism. This is western 
thinking. And
the downfall is that it works and it doesn't work. It is not whether 
either

may be proven but in our understanding of what is happening that is
important.
Western medicinal thinking is tunnel vision based upon the single germ
theory. It is not scientifically looking for answers. It is focused on
proving its single germ theory.  It works and it doesn't work - but 
'they

will not admit that simply saying we need more research.

TCM, Chinese Medicine = Pleomorphism:  the concept that 
cells/diseases, and

especially one-celled microorganisms,  can change to cells/diseases of
another type.  For example Pleomorphism in human cells might be the 
morphing
of skin cells to connective tissue cells, or of blood cells to bone 
tissue.
In TCM  -  Wood to Fire to Earth to Metal to Water. Cold to Heat, Damp 
to
Dryness a constant ebb and flow.  My thinking would say that CS works 
via

Pleomorphism: returning the environment to a more natural state and
therefore not receptive to what western theory calls germs / diseases.

http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html

think outside the box.
Newton, Einstein, Pasteur ...
and do not be limited to everything you've been told.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done
www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.



-Original Message-
From: V.Jean.G. [mailto:tijua...@webtv.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSre(2): CSPHN


 Zonman:
I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since 
1907

and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
instead opt to study the easy things. As you know, pharmaceutical
companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western 
or

alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

V.Jean.G.



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CSRe:RE: CSRe:Re: CSModucare

2005-03-04 Thread William Amos
Call toll free i-877 297-7332 or e-mail i...@moducare.com
website   www.moducare.com Bill
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Do you have a paper or two on that Nina?

Seriously, can you please explain the difference between them? 

Thank you in advance,

Jim

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Subject: RE: CSRe:Re: CSModucare

Moducare is STEROLS not STEROIDS.


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CSpH testing

2005-03-04 Thread TC
I do pH testing for all my clients, have done so since
1984. What is tested is urine and saliva. After
testing every substance in/from/on a human body, Dr.
Carey Reams found that the specific dynamics he was
looking for were duplicated in urine and saliva.

Although every single person I have tested since 1984
who had cancer had an acidic pH (usually both urine
and saliva), not every person who has an acid pH will
get cancer.

I usually have my clients test urine and saliva
morning and evening for six days, before they come in
to my office to do the rest of the Reams tests. Those
clients who live too far away do only the pH testing.

The pH paper that is used to perform this testing must
test in .2 increments (6.0, 6.2, 6.4, etc.), not .5
increments (6.0, 6.5, 7.0). Normal pharmaceutical
litmus strips only measure in .5 increments.

How acid or alkaline a client is, to what degree, if
the pH fluctuates, how much or how frequently it
fluctuates, if their pH is split either way (acid
urine/alkaline saliva or vice-versa), these tell me
what kind of calcium the client needs (alkalinizing
calcium like calcium hydroxide or coral calcium,
acidifying calcium like calcium lactate), how
efficient their digestion is, how well their pancreas
is functioning and other specifics.

I have a file I can send as an email attachment to
anyone interested that contains a page they can print
out that gives instructions for performing the
testing, plus places to fill in the testing numbers.
This is the same file I have sent many list members
who wanted info about CS. It also contains info about
pH, calciums, etc.

If you want this file, please email me requesting it
at THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS:

msi...@yahoo.com

Sincerely,

Terry Chamberlin, B.Sc., C.N.C., Bioanalyst
Metabolic Solutions Institute
RR1
Lawrencetown, Nova Scotia B0S 1M0 Canada
902-584-3810
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RE: CSRe:Re: CSModucare

2005-03-04 Thread Jim Holmes
Do you have a paper or two on that Nina?

Seriously, can you please explain the difference between them? 

Thank you in advance,

Jim

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Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:57 AM
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Subject: RE: CSRe:Re: CSModucare

Moducare is STEROLS not STEROIDS.


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RE: CS PHN

2005-03-04 Thread Jim Holmes
Apparently you have not heard the several anecdotal reports of Colloidial
Silver curing shingles that have appeared on this list.

-Original Message-
From: V.Jean.G. [mailto:tijua...@webtv.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:49 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS PHN

There's no cure for shingles; however, Famvir, an expensive anti-viral
prescription drug, may help to control the disease but won't cure it.
Shingles is caused by Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome. It starts in the ear,
affects the eyesight, tear ducts, hearing, facial muscles, swallowing,
speech, hair loss, vertigo, high anxiety, and slowly progresses to vital
organs and lastly the brain. Massachusetts General Hospital has
estimated over a million suffer from shingles in the U.S.  Why no one
has studied this disease, discovered in 1907, is truly mind boggling.
Contact your state and federal representatives  and ask for research on
Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome.

V.Jean.G.


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RE: CSre(2): CSPHN broken link

2005-03-04 Thread M. G. Devour
Ed, something's wrong at your end, because the links seemed to work 
just fine here...

Mike D.


 the link opens; its the first actually 2 links that seem to
 go into landscaping.
 Bummer, as I look out into my own tall overgrown what used
 to be lawn. maybe there's a message there, eh.
 http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
 
 ed
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jonathan B. Britten
 [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
 Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:35 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSre(2): CSPHN
 
 
 I am very happy to find this posting,  as I just happen to
 have FINALLY
 received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting
 book,  The
 Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am
 open-mindedly
 skeptical about Reich's claimed observations,  but intend to
 keep
 reading and learning. Ed's useful post gives me a good
 site to
 continue that effort.  Much obliged!But note that the
 first link,
 supposedly to a pleomorphism site,  has evidently been taken
 over by a
 landscaping outfit!
 
 
 
 
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CSCS: Link to book review Clinical trials, cot deaths, vaccinations, Pharma data fabrication

2005-03-04 Thread Rowena
http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/reviews2.html#pasteur
This page is reviewing books on clinical trials, data fabrication in the 
pharmaceutical industry,  a fungus in cot mattresses linked to cot deaths, 
vaccinations, and other subjects.
Rowena

Re: CSpH testing

2005-03-04 Thread sol
  My understanding is that the blood alkalinity is maintained by the 
body excreting excess acid in the urine. Therefore the blood is 
alkaline, but the urine is acid. I have read that alkaline urine means 
the blood/body is therefore too alkaline, which is as harmful as too 
acid. People with alkaline urine do seem to have more bladder 
infections. I have also read that alkaline urine is a sign of illness.

Hope someone can explain the discrepancy to me.
Terry, you sent me your file so I will do some reading there, too,  but 
wanted to post my question here anyway.

sol

TC wrote:


How acid or alkaline a client is, to what degree, if
the pH fluctuates, how much or how frequently it
fluctuates, if their pH is split either way (acid
urine/alkaline saliva or vice-versa), these tell me
what kind of calcium the client needs (alkalinizing
calcium like calcium hydroxide or coral calcium,
acidifying calcium like calcium lactate), how
efficient their digestion is, how well their pancreas
is functioning and other specifics.


Sincerely,

Terry Chamberlin, B.Sc., C.N.C., Bioanalyst

 




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CScancer heat

2005-03-04 Thread deborah byron
Hi Betsy--How do you measure core body temperature I wonder?  In a  really  
nice hot bath at home, where I can get totally submerged (except the head  
of course), I can easily and quickly raise my temp., taken with a regular  
old mercury thermometer, to 103 degrees or so.  Indeed, this has been my  
first line of defense for years when a cold/flu is coming on.  Sometimes  
this is enough to knock it right out and other times the induced fever  
continues on, as if it needed a jump start.  But I can say that after  
avoiding suppression for about 30 years now, my system can almost always  
still produce a good fever when I need one.


My understanding is that tumor formation is a sort of 'cold' process and  
that people with tendencies towards the inflammatory (warm) pole are more  
likely to develop conditions like heart disease while those who tend  
towards the sclerotic (cold) pole are susceptible to cancer and other  
tumor conditions. Finding a balance is the key of course, and I'd think  
that using saunas etc. to raise the temperature is most useful in  
prevention and only one aspect of recovery from cancer.


My 2 cents,
Deborah

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:20:16 -0800 (PST), Betsy Coffey  
latimergi...@yahoo.com wrote:




There has been alot of research on cancer treatments
regarding raising the body temperature or inducing
artificial fevers.



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Re: CScancer heat

2005-03-04 Thread enjaycee
  Thanks Deborah and just to add a similar procedure   ... a family
treatment my children never really cared for..by sitting in 1 to 2 inches of
hot tub water with a trickle of hot to keep it that way...as hot as I can
stand covered up above the water line with a dry towel ...profuse sweating
usually would begin..within a short time my temperature will read 100 to 101
degrees Fahrenheit ...which ...for me in the past would whip most flu and
cold virus..it usually would take a day or two for my system to clear
accumulated viral refuse...the drink to sip slowly was one half spoon full
of these three ...sodium magnesium and cream of tarter..to a quart of water
...and I have always included several raw garlic cloves..which might
strengthen cell walls to prevent ongoing viral attack...
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From: deborah byron laqueren...@cox-internet.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: CScancer  heat


 Hi Betsy--How do you measure core body temperature I wonder?  In a  really
 nice hot bath at home, where I can get totally submerged (except the head
 of course), I can easily and quickly raise my temp., taken with a regular
 old mercury thermometer, to 103 degrees or so.  Indeed, this has been my
 first line of defense for years when a cold/flu is coming on.  Sometimes
 this is enough to knock it right out and other times the induced fever
 continues on, as if it needed a jump start.  But I can say that after
 avoiding suppression for about 30 years now, my system can almost always
 still produce a good fever when I need one.

 My understanding is that tumor formation is a sort of 'cold' process and
 that people with tendencies towards the inflammatory (warm) pole are more
 likely to develop conditions like heart disease while those who tend
 towards the sclerotic (cold) pole are susceptible to cancer and other
 tumor conditions. Finding a balance is the key of course, and I'd think
 that using saunas etc. to raise the temperature is most useful in
 prevention and only one aspect of recovery from cancer.

 My 2 cents,
 Deborah

 On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:20:16 -0800 (PST), Betsy Coffey
 latimergi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
  There has been alot of research on cancer treatments
  regarding raising the body temperature or inducing
  artificial fevers.


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CSCS:Salt of the earth

2005-03-04 Thread Rowena
There is a fascinating collection of essays on salt at 
http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/salt.htm
Rowena

Re: CScancer heat

2005-03-04 Thread Teri Johnston

Deborah,

At 11:06 AM 3/4/2005, you wrote:

My understanding is that tumor formation is a sort of 'cold' process and
that people with tendencies towards the inflammatory (warm) pole are more
likely to develop conditions like heart disease while those who tend
towards the sclerotic (cold) pole are susceptible to cancer and other
tumor conditions. Finding a balance is the key of course, and I'd think
that using saunas etc. to raise the temperature is most useful in
prevention and only one aspect of recovery from cancer.


Interesting, when Gary went through Hep C treatment one of the side effects 
is he is always cold when he used to be just the opposite. Now he has the 
cancerous tumor.  I will try to get some PH strips to start testing and 
also ask his Dr. for his current urine PH results.


Teri 



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Re: CS PHN Shingles - speedy relief with homeopathic remedy

2005-03-04 Thread Rowena
There's no cure for shingles

I got shingles on my left eyebrow - not pleasant.  I guessed what it must be 
before seeing anyone, and immediately took the homeopathic remedy ==Rhus Tox= 
which I happend to have in the house.  I went to my homeoapth who uses Interro 
computer assisted diagnosis, and he gave me the correct herpes zoster remedy.  
Within a week I was OK, though for a few years I did get one isoloated small 
flaky patch from year to year on that spot which would bleed if I scratched it. 
 However, I was spared the misery others have endured.  Relief was amazingly 
quick.  I didn't go to the doctor at all.  Seen too many cases of people 
suffering horribly for months.
Rowena



CScancer heat (cold sheet)

2005-03-04 Thread Dan Nave
CScancer

From: Betsy Coffey wrote:
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:24:18 



There has been a lot of research on cancer treatments
regarding raising the body temperature or inducing
artificial fevers. They are able to do this at some of
the holistic clinics. I dont know how a lay person in
their home could do it . It would seem difficult to
induce a fever yourself. YOu could raise the outer
body temperature but I think that it is the core
temperature that kills cancer,bugs etc.



Dr Richard Schulze, Extreme Herbalist, (and others) sometimes advocate
what is referred to as the Cold Sheet procedure to induce an 
artificial fever and promote cleansing by means of sweating.  (I am
relating this from memory so take that into consideration.)

This is used in conjunction with other healing and cleansing
procedures, for instance, the subject may be on a vegan or juice diet,
etc, for cleansing.  

The subject takes an enema beforehand to clean out the colon, possibly
with garlic in the enema water...  Then a hot tub is filled and a
handful of ground cayenne pepper and dried ginger was added to the
water.  Depending on the strength of this, I believe the subject may
have put Vaseline or some sort of ointment to cover the genitals and the
anus so as not to burn from the herbs...  The subject then gets into the
bath which is kept hot, and rubs it over the skin, face and head, but
not getting it in the eyes, of course.  Meanwhile, the subject is also
drinking as much hot tea as they can stand, several cups at the very
least.  The tea is made with peppermint or some herb that will induce
sweating and cause the pores of the skin to open.  I suppose you could
use tea of ginger and cayenne as well.

Meanwhile a clean white sheet is soaking in a bucket of ice water, with
ice cubes in it.  When the person has had as much heat as they can
stand, the helper helps them get up and step out of the tub.  (When the
person feels faint, certainly it is time to get out.  I believe that
most want to get out well before this and may need to be persuaded to
stay the course.)  The cold sheet is wrung out and draped over the
subject covering from  head to foot and wound around them.  Then they
are helped to a bed which has been prepared beforehand with a waterproof
mattress barrier, sheets and blankets.  The sheet-wrapped subject is put
to bed and wrapped with blankets and stays there until morning.  If they
have to pee, they pee in the sheet.  (Pee in the tub beforehand.) 
However, most of the moisture comes out through the sweat and stains the
sheet in multiple colors.  

This can be a somewhat extreme procedure and should be done by someone
who knows what they are doing.  Certainly have a helper, don't try to do
it alone...

Dan



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Re: CSCould CS help avoid a root canal? - - and MND

2005-03-04 Thread Rowena
This has been a most interesting discussion, and I was amazed by the experience 
using dolomite.  That is really information that needs to be out there.  I have 
passed all this information on to my dentist.  There are many biodentists out 
there who know and do the right things, but they do have to be a bit 
circumspect.  Once this dentist had at my request replaced all my amalgams with 
white stuff, he may have felt freer to disclose his true opinions about 
amalgams.  Good to have him in charage of my teeth.  It was this man who told 
me about Rife; I found a practitioner in the city (3 hrs away, Perth) who uses 
QXCI (if I got that right) and since then have bought an Enar device. 
www.enlightenedtherapies.com

I asked him last time I saw him about H2O2 on teeth, and he said we really 
didn't know enough about what it does to the teeth.  So It was great to hear 
your experiences.  Are these all in now, or are there more that haven't been 
reported yet?  I would like to pass on this helpful knowledge and experience.

This dentist's daughter is a naturopath.  His wife, an active, creative, 
talented woman has been stricken by the cruelty of motor neurone disease and I 
am constantly on the lookout for information for her.  I have found some 
encouraging advice.  She is unable to speak, but the last I know was still able 
to access email, and so I send her whatever information seems relevant. 

So, you great group who have helped other of my friends and acquaintances - 
what do you know that will help Motor Neurone Disease?

Rowena

RE: CSre(2): CSPHN broken link

2005-03-04 Thread Ed Kasper
the link opens; its the first actually 2 links that seem to
go into landscaping.
Bummer, as I look out into my own tall overgrown what used
to be lawn. maybe there's a message there, eh.
http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm

ed

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From: Jonathan B. Britten
[mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSre(2): CSPHN


I am very happy to find this posting,  as I just happen to
have FINALLY
received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting
book,  The
Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am
open-mindedly
skeptical about Reich's claimed observations,  but intend to
keep
reading and learning. Ed's useful post gives me a good
site to
continue that effort.  Much obliged!But note that the
first link,
supposedly to a pleomorphism site,  has evidently been taken
over by a
landscaping outfit!




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CSinducing fevers

2005-03-04 Thread Betsy Coffey
Just wanted to say thanks to all who answered my post.
The suggestions were very helpful. it reminded me of a
time when I was a child and had the flue at my
grandmothers house. I was shaking with a high fever.
She wrapped me in saran wrap(I laugh thinking about it
now). I woke up in the middle of the nite and broke
out in a sweat. The next morning I was completly over
the flue or whatever bug I had.




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CSmy last pH post

2005-03-04 Thread TC
Sol said,
My understanding is that the blood alkalinity is
maintained by the body excreting excess acid in the
urine. Therefore the blood is alkaline, but the urine
is acid. I have read that alkaline urine means the
blood/body is therefore too alkaline, which is as
harmful as too acid. People with alkaline urine do
seem to have more bladder infections. I have also read
that alkaline urine is a sign of illness. Hope someone
can explain the discrepancy to me. Terry, you sent me
your file so I will do some reading there, too, but
wanted to post my question here anyway. 

After this post on the subject of pH, I will adjourn
to the OT list, or respond to personal emails.

I will be a bit simplistic, but still try to be
essentially correct. Dr. Reams claimed that the body
uses more calcium everyday, by volume, than all other
nutrients combined. The way our bodies utilize
calciums is by the interaction between them with each
other. A good analogy would be the interaction between
baking soda and vinegar. If you were to mix a cup of
each together, you would see a great release of
energy. How about a cup of vinegar and a teaspoon of
baking soda? Not much reaction, not much energy
released because of the . When I see someone with an
acid pH, I know they are actually deficient in
alkalinizing calcium. The have too much “vinegar”, and
not enough “baking soda”. But, of course, they don’t
actually have too much vinegar (acidifying calcium).
What they need is more alkalinizing calciums, such as
calcium hydroxide or coral calcium.

Although Dr. Reams isolated seven different kinds of
calcium which our bodies need, there are essentially
three categories of calcium to be considered:
Alkaline-pH calciums (calcium hydroxide, phosphate and
carbonate), Acid-pH calciums (calcium lactate and
sulphate) and neutral-pH calciums (calcium gluconate,
aspartate, citrate, orotate, etc.). A deficiency of
alkaline calcium, for instance, will express itself as
an apparent excess of acidifying calcium (calcium
deposits are nearly always one type of calcium
accumulating somewhere in your body because of a
deficiency of the other). The Bioanalysis pH tests
determine which kind of calcium your body may be
deficient in, and indicate which kind of calcium
should be supplemented.

Nowadays, the most common kind of calcium you will
find being sold is an alkaline-pH calcium, calcium
carbonate (usually ground-up oyster shell). Most
multi-vitamin/mineral supplements use it, and wherever
you see labels which announce Calcium added!
(whether in food, drink or supplement), it is nearly
always calcium carbonate. (It is the cheapest form of
calcium available.) Most acid-indigestion supplements
are made of this calcium (Tums, Rolaids, etc.). This
would be okay, except that most calcium carbonate is
extremely difficult to digest and assimilate (much
like eating chalk). Not all adults and very few
children need to take alkaline-pH calcium (and
especially commercial calcium carbonate). So if a
person's metabolic pH is already too alkaline
(indicating a deficiency in acidifying calcium),
taking alkaline-pH calcium will only aggravate the
health problems which can be caused by having an
overly-alkaline metabolic pH. 

When the body’s pH is too acid, the digestion is too
fast, and a deficiency of certain nutrients develop
(such as Vit A, which is best assimilated in an
alkaline medium). You’ve heard that Vit D is important
for the assimilation of calcium. This is true for
acid-pH people, but definitely not true for
alkaline-pH folks. People with very acid pH will have
a tendency for diahrea or loose stools (except for
other factors that may affect this tendency). As has
been noted, very acid pH contributes to the formation
of cancer, arthritis and other bone-joint disorders.
Acid pH will mean the pancreas is producing weak or
inefficient insulin, so blood sugar tends to be too
high. Many folks, Reams said, are diagnosed with
diabetes because of their high sugars when merely
adjusting their pH up out of the acid zone would
resolve their high sugars. Taking insulin
significantly interferes with the body’s ability to
produce its own natural insulin, effectively making
you into a diabetic, even if you actually weren’t to
begin with.

People with overly-alkaline pH will tend to
constipation and gas (because of very slow digestion).
They will be deficient in Vit D. They will digest
proteins poorly. They will tend towards heart problems
(assuming certain other issues also exist). Alkaline
pH will produce overly-strong insulin, driving sugars
down too low (hypoglycemia).

Dr. Reams insisted that, while a balanced pH in a
laboratory would be 7.0 (chemical definition), in the
human body it was 6.4 (biological definition). I know
this goes against the conventional medical and Natural
Health viewpoint, but I have consistently found the
best health experience with folks who’s pH is
consistently 6.4-6.6.

Dr. Reams was not actually concerned with pH, but with
anionic and 

Re: CScancer

2005-03-04 Thread nancymike
I have heard of people doing this using a hot tub.  By going in a hot tub to
102 for about 15 minutes at least for times a day.
Nancy
- Original Message - 
From: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: CScancer


 There has been alot of research on cancer treatments
 regarding raising the body temperature or inducing
 artificial fevers. They are able to do this at some of
 the holistic clinics. I dont know how a lay person in
 their home could do it . It would seem difficult to
 induce a fever yourself. YOu could raise the outer
 body temperature but I think that it is the core
 temperature that kills cancer,bugs etc.




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Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-04 Thread nancymike
My neighbor had PHN, I wrote about his cure  a few days ago,  I had MS and
am doing very well.  Yes, it is true, if I stopped CS completely, the
mycoplasma would begin to replicate themselves, and I would possibly be in a
wheel chair, and perhaps my neighbor would once again have the terrible pain
he endured for eight years if he stopped CS.  BUT  why would I stop CS and
have this happen?  Why would I stop CS for any reason?  My husband is a very
healthy person.  He has not had any major problems, but he now takes two oz.
of CS a day.  We have not had even a cold or the flu in the five years we've
been on CS.  Why would I stop???
Beside, I do not believe there are thousands of viruses out there.  I
truly believe the mycoplasma is one virus and it enters the body and morphs
to whatever cells it enters.  Now you have many diseases from one
virus.. Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia,
Epstein Barr, etc, etc.

http://mindcontrolforums.com/mycoplamsa.htm  Mycoplasma is misspelled, but
this is correct site.

If you like to suffer, listen to your doctors and professors.  If you
want to stop the pain and suffering, stick with CS.

Nancy
- Original Message - 
From: V.Jean.G. tijua...@webtv.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: CSre(2): CSPHN


 Zonman:
 I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
 everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
 Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since 1907
 and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
 that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
 university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
 instead opt to study the easy things. As you know, pharmaceutical
 companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
 were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
 Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
 Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
 teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
 available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
 CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western or
 alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
 There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
 thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
 With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

 V.Jean.G.


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Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-04 Thread V
Hi V.Jean.G.,

Well are are completely correct from an allopathic medicine point of view. They 
give the doctors only 2 weeks worth of nutritional training and then send them 
out into the world to cure and heal. they amount to being highly educated 
professional idiots an many cases. they will never find the cures for these 
diseases because they are basing their entire work on a false premise and 
looknig entirely in the wrong place. no matter how perfect your logic is if you 
start from a false premise the outcome will always be wrong. So until they 
change their basic underlying paradigm about what causes disease they will 
never figure it out.

the medical establishment is out there trying to cure and heal without 
addressing the main issue about what cause people to be ill in the first place. 
which is their diets, thats what makes everybody ill. the disease organisms as 
they call them are for the most part created within their own bodies to clean 
up the garbage people stuff in their faces. Until the doctors address that, 
they will continue to profit from the rampant ignorance that is perpetrated on 
people by big medicine and the mass media
pushing endless varieties of factory fresh manufactured food that passes for 
something that you are supposed to be able to eat.

If people eat correctly they dont get disesases.
If people have disease and then start to eat correctly the disease goes away. 
The incorrect eating is the cauese of the diseases. so until they address the 
cause, they will not find the seloution, its as simple as that.
The professores that say its all so complicated have no clues either.
 
http://www.expo-net.org/PasteurBechamp.html

http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/bass/aajonus.html
http://wholehealth.homestead.com/raw.html

Take care,
 V


  Zonman:
 I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
 everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
 Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since 1907
 and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
 that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
 university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
 instead opt to study the easy things. As you know, pharmaceutical
 companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
 were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
 Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
 Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
 teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
 available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
 CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western or
 alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
 There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
 thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
 With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

 V.Jean.G.

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RE: CSre(2): CSPHN

2005-03-04 Thread Jim Holmes
The US Gov thought his work potent enough to literally confiscate and burn
as much of his work as they could find and to throw him in the slam, where
he died. 

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSre(2): CSPHN

I am very happy to find this posting,  as I just happen to have FINALLY 
received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting book,  The 
Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am open-mindedly 
skeptical about Reich's claimed observations,  but intend to keep 
reading and learning. Ed's useful post gives me a good site to 
continue that effort.  Much obliged!But note that the first link, 
supposedly to a pleomorphism site,  has evidently been taken over by a 
landscaping outfit!





On Friday, Mar 4, 2005, at 15:54 Asia/Tokyo, Ed Kasper wrote:

 How does CS work ?
 most say by killing all single cell organism. This is western 
 thinking. And
 the downfall is that it works and it doesn't work. It is not whether 
 either
 may be proven but in our understanding of what is happening that is
 important.
 Western medicinal thinking is tunnel vision based upon the single germ
 theory. It is not scientifically looking for answers. It is focused on
 proving its single germ theory.  It works and it doesn't work - but 
 'they
 will not admit that simply saying we need more research.

 TCM, Chinese Medicine = Pleomorphism:  the concept that 
 cells/diseases, and
 especially one-celled microorganisms,  can change to cells/diseases of
 another type.  For example Pleomorphism in human cells might be the 
 morphing
 of skin cells to connective tissue cells, or of blood cells to bone 
 tissue.
 In TCM  -  Wood to Fire to Earth to Metal to Water. Cold to Heat, Damp 
 to
 Dryness a constant ebb and flow.  My thinking would say that CS works 
 via
 Pleomorphism: returning the environment to a more natural state and
 therefore not receptive to what western theory calls germs / diseases.

 http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
 http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html

 think outside the box.
 Newton, Einstein, Pasteur ...
 and do not be limited to everything you've been told.

 Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
 Acupuncture is a jab well done
 www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.



 -Original Message-
 From: V.Jean.G. [mailto:tijua...@webtv.net]
 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSre(2): CSPHN


  Zonman:
 I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
 everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
 Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since 
 1907
 and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
 that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
 university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
 instead opt to study the easy things. As you know, pharmaceutical
 companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
 were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
 Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
 Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
 teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
 available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
 CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western 
 or
 alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
 There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
 thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
 With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.

 V.Jean.G.



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RE: CScancer

2005-03-04 Thread Jim Holmes
Fever therapy was also used to treat syphilis.  

Take care though folks, if you stay in 110 F water for about 1 full hour,
immersed up to your neck, you will very probably be dead. 

-Original Message-
From: nancymike [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScancer

I have heard of people doing this using a hot tub.  By going in a hot tub to
102 for about 15 minutes at least for times a day.
Nancy
- Original Message - 
From: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: CScancer


 There has been alot of research on cancer treatments
 regarding raising the body temperature or inducing
 artificial fevers. They are able to do this at some of
 the holistic clinics. I dont know how a lay person in
 their home could do it . It would seem difficult to
 induce a fever yourself. YOu could raise the outer
 body temperature but I think that it is the core
 temperature that kills cancer,bugs etc.




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CSRe[2]: CScancer

2005-03-04 Thread V
Hi Jim,

Yeah try getting in water that is 105 sometime, you can barely stand it for a 5 
or 10 minutes.




Take care,
 V


 Fever therapy was also used to treat syphilis.  

 Take care though folks, if you stay in 110 F water for about 1 full hour,
 immersed up to your neck, you will very probably be dead. 

 -Original Message-
 From: nancymike [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] 
 Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:42 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
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