Re: CS>Promising Topical Application of Vitamin C
Dear Brooks, You might be interested in the below link. Best regards, Andy http://www.annalssurgicaloncology.org/cgi/content/abstract/1/5/411 In a message dated 9/3/2008 5:23:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bradlebro...@gmail.com writes: Prompted by some interesting information originating out of the Vitamincfoundation.orgnon-profit group, we instigated an investigation of the effectiveness of Vitamin C as an ameliorating protocol for "shallow and mildly-deep surface tissue scars". (Very deep scarring poses challenges beyond the purview of this protocol, as a stand-alone). **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
A book on basic electronics won't burn up your brain too much. Just knowing the difference between a parallel and series circuit and how to hook up a multimeter to read what will take you a long way. Ode At 12:09 AM 9/4/2008 +0930, you wrote: - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS. [A higher voltage will "bridge" a lower conductivity better reducing the initial time it takes to build up current draw, but other than that, it's pretty much irrelevant to making CS.] Morning Ode, It's ok, I'm doing some learning about led's, resistors etc to try to get a better understanding of why it works as it does. I've been making this 'stuff' for ages now and not having a clue as to how it all works but have this drive to know WHY it works. I can get varying coloured CS with varying batches, (usually with the higher ppm content), and although I consider it is still good quality if I get a better understanding of current, resistors and current limiting etc at least I will know how the generator works as it does. The only way I will know that better is to get a better understanding of how all the pieces fit together, and why they fit together how they do, and do what they do. I make these units for family members and don't even know what the parts are that I make them with, I know what they look like, know how to solder them in, know which way they go etc but have no idea of what they are or what they do. DUH!! So...back to school. I'm not going to give up, just repeat a year maybe, no shame in that. I have read so many conflicting opinions regarding colour, ppm, optimum amp ranges blah, blah, etc etc that the only way I will be able to satisfy myself of what I am doing and the quality of my CS is to study the electronics of it more myself, I prefer not to as I find electricity is a subject that I just have no understanding of...at all, (like mental illness, I just simply don't savvy it), but I can see I have no choice. As you said, there was nothing available to you years ago so I have a bit of an advantage there today. I've got all this information from you's and will put it all together with other material I am researching and I will see how I go. I'm going to step back into the shadows for a period till I get a better handle on it all. At least I have learnt one thing in the last 3 days here and that is I need not worry quite so much about voltage, it's the other aspects which play a more important role, and voltage will fall into place of it's own accord, as a secondary issue if you like. See, you's have made me understand that if I knew more about how resistors, limiters, milliamps etc work, I would better understand how, and why, I get these differing colour ranges and differing ppm readings that I can use as a foundation, (I know there are numerous other variables involved also), but this will give me a base to build on. Yeah, I know, there are a multitude of articles I can research...and I have, and I guess will continue to do so, but there appears to be a little too much guess-work for me when they state it 'should be this' or it 'should be that'. That's not precise enough for me, but then again maybe EICS simply isn't that precise? Maybe I'm digging too deep when there is no need to. I appreciate everything you all have given me and have learnt how much I...'still don't know'! Nevermind, it's all a learning experience I s'pose, and probably a continueing one at that. Cheers...Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1650 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 4:13 PM
Re: CS>Motor Neuron Disease - antibiotics Molecular/Orthomolecular
Hi Rowena, I was thinking that the Molecular was more in line with the Orthomolecular. Unfortunately, it does not appear to be so. Thanks. Paula - Original Message - From: "Rowena" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Re: CS>Motor Neuron Disease - antibiotics Molecular/Orthomolecular > Are you perhaps thinking of Orthomolecular medicine? > Molecular seems to refer mostly to "orthodox" study - this man is a > Professor, so in a University, so far more likely to be orthodox / > allopathic than not. > Rowena > > > > > > > > > > > > Some links: > > http://www.immed.org/illness/autoimmune_illness_research.html > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Morning Ode, Yep, no worries, have been doing a lot of downloading and filing, watching tutorials, reading and re-reading the info all you people have given me, and studying most of the day. Playing around with a multimeter on my unit. At least I now know what the votage and current is between the electrodes, or is it amps, doesn't matter anyway, still reading. Resistors are a little more tricky as I have never taken any notice of those in electronic gizmos, so need to see a few and read more to get a better mental picture of which end to look at as the ones in my units are a bit hard to distinguish the colour bands to know which end the numbers start. Once I get my head around it it will be ok. I've just got this thing in my head about 'spiking' the power in combination with stirring...just a wild idea till I learn a bit more about the other stuff. After the basics am going to do some study on capacitors. Probably only attempting to re-invent the wheel I guess but when I know more about capacitors I will know if that knowledge is of any value, if not then nothing lost...only time. Neville. - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS. A book on basic electronics won't burn up your brain too much. Just knowing the difference between a parallel and series circuit and how to hook up a multimeter to read what will take you a long way. Ode At 12:09 AM 9/4/2008 +0930, you wrote: - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS. [A higher voltage will "bridge" a lower conductivity better reducing the initial time it takes to build up current draw, but other than that, it's pretty much irrelevant to making CS.] Morning Ode, It's ok, I'm doing some learning about led's, resistors etc to try to get a better understanding of why it works as it does. I've been making this 'stuff' for ages now and not having a clue as to how it all works but have this drive to know WHY it works. I can get varying coloured CS with varying batches, (usually with the higher ppm content), and although I consider it is still good quality if I get a better understanding of current, resistors and current limiting etc at least I will know how the generator works as it does. The only way I will know that better is to get a better understanding of how all the pieces fit together, and why they fit together how they do, and do what they do. I make these units for family members and don't even know what the parts are that I make them with, I know what they look like, know how to solder them in, know which way they go etc but have no idea of what they are or what they do. DUH!! So...back to school. I'm not going to give up, just repeat a year maybe, no shame in that. I have read so many conflicting opinions regarding colour, ppm, optimum amp ranges blah, blah, etc etc that the only way I will be able to satisfy myself of what I am doing and the quality of my CS is to study the electronics of it more myself, I prefer not to as I find electricity is a subject that I just have no understanding of...at all, (like mental illness, I just simply don't savvy it), but I can see I have no choice. As you said, there was nothing available to you years ago so I have a bit of an advantage there today. I've got all this information from you's and will put it all together with other material I am researching and I will see how I go. I'm going to step back into the shadows for a period till I get a better handle on it all. At least I have learnt one thing in the last 3 days here and that is I need not worry quite so much about voltage, it's the other aspects which play a more important role, and voltage will fall into place of it's own accord, as a secondary issue if you like. See, you's have made me understand that if I knew more about how resistors, limiters, milliamps etc work, I would better understand how, and why, I get these differing colour ranges and differing ppm readings that I can use as a foundation, (I know there are numerous other variables involved also), but this will give me a base to build on. Yeah, I know, there are a multitude of articles I can research...and I have, and I guess will continue to do so, but there appears to be a little too much guess-work for me when they state it 'should be this' or it 'should be that'. That's not precise enough for me, but then again maybe EICS simply isn't that precise? Maybe I'm digging too deep when there is no need to. I appreciate everything you all have given me and have learnt how much I...'still don't know'! Nevermind, it's all a learning experience I s'pose, and probably a continueing one at that. Cheers...Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are
RE: CS>Promising Topical Application of Vitamin C
Morning Brooks, You are always involved in very interesting research and I am always enlightened in some way upon hearing about it. Do you think this would be effective on someone who has significant acne scars on the cheeks? Dan > -Original Message- > From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:bradlebro...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:24 PM > To: Silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>Promising Topical Application of Vitamin C > > Prompted by some interesting information originating out of > the non-profit group, we instigated > an investigation of the effectiveness of Vitamin C as an > ameliorating protocol for "shallow and mildly-deep surface > tissue scars". (Very deep scarring poses challenges beyond > the purview of this protocol, as a stand-alone). > > Because of the nature of the action of vitamin C in assisting > the generation/restoration of collagen and elastin, the use > of topically-applied vitamin C as a restoration > stimulant/conditioner showed appeal to us. > > Without undue commentary I relate the gist of our research. > Scars that exhibit a depression, are demonstrating a shortage > of collagen (missing) at the bottom of the scar tissue-field. > Raised scars, usually, involve products of the original > trauma event. We determined, to our satisfaction, that > topically-applied Vitamin C solutions provide a very > beneficial effect on a majority of the cases presenting as > shallow or mildly-deep scars. > > We employed a number of various solutions incorporating > different companion substances with the Vitamin C solution... > One proved itself above all others, among our volunteer > population --- DMSO. The protocol is very simple: consisting > of a supersaturated solution of Vitamin C (80% by Volume) and > DMSO (20% by volume). Application by either spray or cotton > swab proved satisfactory. We were, in some cases, able to > measure consequential tissue (collagen underlayment) > restoration in as little as 7 days. That is, the sunken > scar-tissue field actually began to rise... as the tissue > shortage below the scar proper, began to regenerate itself. > Although not as spectacular, the raised scarring was > measurably reduced in all but one subject (he exhibited > massive scarring from 3rd degree burns, of extraordinary nature). > > The production of the solution is quite simple, but some > general considerations are required in preparing the Vitamin > C parent solution. Distilled water is the required diluent > (reason being that much tap or spring water contains > materials antagonistic to the properties of DMSO and will, > sometimes, cause a precipitant when combined). Using > distilled water, add the powdered Vitamin C until NO MORE > will go into solution. Next, pour the dissolved liquid into > a separate container. Next, add DMSO in a volume sufficient > to achieve the desired ratio (we found 20%, by volume, to be > best compromise). > > Because of the VERY unstable nature of Vitamin C solutions, > it is recommended that NO OTHER elements or substances be > added to this solution. Additionally, best results have been > achieved through preparing only enough solution for use > within two or three days (and it seems to benefit from > refrigeration even over this short time span). > > Good Luck to list members considering evaluating this > protocol in their Experimental Researches. > > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. > > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>40 ppm Is often a Guess, or the "WAG" method
Morning Dan, >> At 09:47 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote: My calculations show that you have about .85 ppm. (Less than 1 ppm.) This is using the Faraday Calculator sheet, and also using my Rule of Thumb calculation. They both agree. A guy on another list is claiming 40 ppm, ... and of course I doubt it. I bet you would also. I think most are concerned about ppm, unnecessarily. I have never been concerned in the least about the ppm of my cs. I simply go by eyesight, taste, smell, my notes, and most of all, the effect of my CS. What people tell me about the effects is most important of all. Of course relating to plant nutrients, that is another story. I demand that the ppm be right on the nose. ( or as close as I can get it ) Nutrients are weighed and calculate. But I calculate that, and wrote a program to keep from wearing out my HP 15 C. Many do not know, it is one of the best programmable calculators ever. It cost abut 75 to 85 dollars, NEW, and is not selling for 300 to 400 dollars. Once I spent about half a day, adding drops of acid and correcting the pH of a 500 gallon tank of water, After I figured it out, it how much was needed, a green house grower down the road, told me the same thing. Never take the easy way out. I wonder what you would say ( or calculate ) for the guy that claims 40 ppm. I would guess, 5 to 10, at most. Maybe 15. My classic question, .. "What difference does it make" ? Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Promising Topical Application of Vitamin C
Brooks Bradley wrote: Prompted by some interesting information originating out of theVitamincfoundation.orgnon-profit group, we instigated an investigation of the effectiveness of Vitamin C as an ameliorating protocol for "shallow and mildly-deep surface tissue scars". (Very deep scarring poses challenges beyond the purview of this protocol, as a stand-alone). I am always amazed at how something can be mentioned here, and how often you have researched it and found a protocol to help alleviate or cure it. Do you by any chance have a list of all the aliments and research you have done. It seems a shame to have all this research done, but no one knows about it unless someone here happens to ask something which relates to it. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Particle size
Does anyone know what the maximum size particle is that can be absorbed into the body either sublingually or through the stomach and intestines? - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Body Clocks and depression, bipolar, diabetes, glucose and insulin,
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2351893.htm video on webpage above. Programme: Catalyst, ABC TV 4 September 2008 Transcript of program also on above page. Dr Kennaway: We thought that we understood how the brain clock worked, but we had no idea each cell actually contained all the requirements for keeping time, for keeping 24 hour time. Narration: And that has revolutionised our understanding of how the body clock - or should we say body clocks - really work. It begins with light - which resets the brain clock each morning. It then sends the hormonal messages that help keep all the other body clocks in synchrony. Dr Kennaway: I'm just, I really am in awe of it, because it's, every organ system is ticking away. Our muscles, our pancreas, our liver, our skin, our bowels, our kidneys. Pause. What that then makes possible is for the organs to plan what's going to happen next. So in the case of the liver, it can prepare for the next meal by sending some enzymes up, to help digest the food or metabolise glucose. And so it's all a very highly coordinated system of preparation for the next event. It's all been set up several hours before by this clock system. Narration: At 9pm, my brain secretes melatonin - preparing for sleep. body temperature falls. and the whole cycle starts again. At least, that's what's supposed to happen. But what if your master clock is faulty? Well, there's a growing realisation it can drive you crazy. The drummer for this weekend rock band is psychologist Dr Greg Murray. Dr Murray: More and more data has come in to support the idea that a vulnerability or some sort of deregulation in the body clock is a primary cause for mood disorders. Depression and bipolar disorder. . Then you'll see a very strange thing. Twenty-four hours, no sleep. The next day, the person had a sleep period, but the next day again, twenty-four hours no sleep. At this point, the person suffered a manic episode and was hospitalised and left the study. Narration: In a landmark if odd looking study, he put these mice on shift work. Dr Kennaway: Well, what we find is that after just four weeks of shiftwork they become glucose intolerant and they were also insulin intolerant. And these are the precursors for developing diabetes. Narration: The reason? It turns out, the clocks in their muscles aren't ready to take up glucose from food during sleeping hours. Narration: But surely people who work nights long term adjust? Well, other new research from the Centre for Sleep Research in Adelaide shows no, they never do. Unless you live somewhere like an oil rig, where all light can be excluded, you continue to make melatonin at night, and cortisol in the day. The trouble is, for most of us, that simple burst of sun on the way home is enough to reset the brain clock. Dr Kennaway: So the brain clock keeps ticking properly and getting reset, but the food and the activity is resetting the other organ clocks. This is bad, because now you've got a conflict between the brain and liver, pancreas, muscle. And that's where we see that people are likely to increase their risk of, of metabolic disease.
Re: CS>Promising Topical Application of Vitamin C. ADVISORY Comment
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Subject : Re: CS>Promising Topical Application of Vitamin C
Date : Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:49:12 -0400
From : Marshall Dudley
Hello Marshall,
We have not, as a general course, maintained a dedicated catalog of all our research activities. There are several reasons for this: (1) Much of our research results
fail to provide useful protocols and are retained in gross form only. (2)
Many of our investigations are incomplete in that the primary investigators discover elements
which render further endeavors counterproductive, therefore they are discontinued at that point. (3) A sizable amount of our research is conducted in conjunction with other non-profits
and we are bound by non-disclosure agreements {this is especially the case where our efforts are adjunctive}. (4) We have no dedicated office staff for maintaining historical, library type archives and (5) I simply do not think of mentioning these individual effortsuntil
my declining memory is jogged by someone's comments (although I am reasonably alert for an 80 year old).
Additionally, much of our historical data was destroyed in a catastrophic fire
which destroyed my home, the Foundation Library and my personal library of 5000+ volumes.
in July of 2004. This was an especially disturbing circumstance since I was on the verge of
initiating the very cataloging to which you refer. So much for good intentions.
My Best Regards, Brooks.
To : silver-list@eskimo.com
Brooks Bradley wrote:
> Prompted by some interesting information originating
> out of theVitamincfoundation.orgnon-profit
> group, we instigated an investigation of the effectiveness of Vitamin
> C as an ameliorating protocol for "shallow and mildly-deep surface
> tissue scars". (Very deep scarring poses challenges beyond the
> purview of this protocol, as a stand-alone).
>
I am always amazed at how something can be mentioned here, and how often
you have researched it and found a protocol to help alleviate or cure
it. Do you by any chance have a list of all the aliments and research
you have done. It seems a shame to have all this research done, but no
one knows about it unless someone here happens to ask something which
relates to it.
Marshall
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RE: CS>40 ppm Is often a Guess, or the "WAG" method
Morning Wayne, you wrote: > My classic question, .. "What difference does it make" ? The difference is that you know what you have and you can count on it. And you don't turn blue! I made a zapper for a friend once, he was merrily using it, but when I checked it I found that the output lead was broken, so he was not getting any zapping even though he thought he felt the subtle tingling in his hands. The simple test would be to touch the electrodes to your tongue and feel and 'taste' that it is working... Similarly, if you have some problem and take CS for it expecting something to happen, it would be nice if it was actually what you thought it was. When I made my own with the 9v battery and two electrodes, before I knew a lot about CS, I was much happier to have a slightly yellow CS rather than a clear solution, at least I knew I had some CS, and I think it worked better too. (Probably the batch of clear was very low ppm) Dan > -Original Message- > From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:35 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>40 ppm Is often a Guess, or the "WAG" method > > Morning Dan, > > >> At 09:47 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote: > >My calculations show that you have about .85 ppm. (Less > than 1 ppm.) > >This is using the Faraday Calculator sheet, and also using > my Rule of > >Thumb calculation. > >They both agree. > > A guy on another list is claiming 40 ppm, ... > > and of course I doubt it. I bet you would also. > > I think most are concerned about ppm, unnecessarily. > > I have never been concerned in the least about the ppm of my cs. > > I simply go by eyesight, taste, smell, my notes, and most of > all, the effect of my CS. > > What people tell me about the effects is most important of all. > > Of course relating to plant nutrients, that is another story. > > I demand that the ppm be right on the nose. ( or as close > as I can get it ) > Nutrients are weighed and calculate. > > But I calculate that, and wrote a program to keep from > wearing out my HP 15 C. > Many do not know, it is one of the best programmable calculators ever. > > It cost abut 75 to 85 dollars, NEW, and is not selling for 300 to > 400 dollars. > > Once I spent about half a day, adding drops of acid and > correcting the pH of a 500 gallon tank of water, After I > figured it out, it how much was needed, a green house grower > down the road, told me the same thing. > > Never take the easy way out. > > I wonder what you would say ( or calculate ) for the guy > that claims 40 ppm. > I would guess, 5 to 10, at most. Maybe 15. > > My classic question, .. "What difference does it make" ? > > Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Blue People, Half Funny !
Good morning Dan, I respect your opinion, and normally agree, seldom disagree with you. If I did, . You might win. >> At 11:01 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: > My classic question, .. "What difference does it make" ? The difference is that you know what you have and you can count on it. And you don't turn blue! That is half Funny, maybe 90 % or 100 %. The reason being, . how many of us have turned blue ? And poor Rosemary, the doctor did that for her. I communicated with Rosemary years ago. Before she changed her story... for whatever reasons. I made a zapper for a friend once, he was merrily using it, but when I checked it I found that the output lead was broken, so he was not getting any zapping even though he thought he felt the subtle tingling in his hands. I have argued with many engineers, ... You do not appraise or evaluate any device, when something goes wrong or it is not working right. What engine runs good when out of gas or the carburetor fell off ? Distributor cracked, rotor burned up, or 1000 other things. And I always win, back them into a corner, I could give you many examples, but I won't, One genius engineer made me epoxy "plug in" relays into the sockets. Yes, the engineer is the boss, in many cases. I do what they say. Another one wrote a specification that said basically, "If this component shall fail, if that component shall fail, or any other component shall fail, the system shall work right and everything shall function". You can guess what I told him. He said, "OK, I will strike that out" ! I have nothing against engineers, many are my friends. Many people have asked me if I am an engineer, My reply, Heavens NO ! But I have spent my whole life correcting their mistakes, that should count for something. When I made my own with the 9v battery and two electrodes, before I knew a lot about CS, I was much happier to have a slightly yellow CS rather than a clear solution, at least I knew I had some CS, and I think it worked better too. (Probably the batch of clear was very low ppm) Needless to say, I was way ahead of most people on my first batch, and I knew nothing, How did I accomplish this ? A meter, knowledge, and a note pad, and a stop watch. Inquisitive mind, and redneck blood may have helped. And I have been ahead of most people still, the use a two bit, near nothing generator ever since. ( Note I said most, I did not say ALL ) Back to the real world. Who worries about turning gray ? If they worry about it, that indicates a lack of knowledge, IMHO ! Just look at the odds ? As to the senator, I think his name was Stan,... First he was a politician, and an idiot too. He went off half cocked, and played Russian roulette. Just like most of the politicians today. Enough said. Now, you and I, we are neither politicians, we don't play Russian roulette, and we have a little knowledge and technical ability. Why Worry ? Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Blue People, Half Funny !
What, me worry? Dan You wrote: > Why Worry ? > -Original Message- > From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:58 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>Blue People, Half Funny ! > > Good morning Dan, > > I respect your opinion, and normally agree, seldom > disagree with you. > If I did, . You might win. > > >> At 11:01 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: > > > > My classic question, .. "What difference does it make" ? > >The difference is that you know what you have and you can > count on it. > >And you don't turn blue! > That is half Funny, maybe 90 % or 100 %. > > The reason being, . how many of us have turned blue ? > > And poor Rosemary, the doctor did that for her. > I communicated with Rosemary years ago. > Before she changed her story... for whatever reasons. > > >I made a zapper for a friend once, he was merrily using it, > but when I > >checked it I found that the output lead was broken, so he was not > >getting any zapping even though he thought he felt the > subtle tingling > >in his hands. > I have argued with many engineers, ... > > You do not appraise or evaluate any device, when > something goes wrong or it is not working right. > > What engine runs good when out of gas or the carburetor fell > off ? Distributor cracked, rotor burned up, or 1000 other things. > > And I always win, back them into a corner, I could give you > many examples, but I won't, One genius engineer made me epoxy > "plug in" relays into the sockets. > Yes, the engineer is the boss, in many cases. I do what they say. > > Another one wrote a specification that said basically, > > "If this component shall fail, if that component shall fail, > or any other component shall fail, > the system shall work right and everything shall function". > > You can guess what I told him. He said, "OK, I will strike > that out" ! > > I have nothing against engineers, many are my friends. > Many people have asked me if I am an engineer, > > My reply, Heavens NO ! > But I have spent my whole life correcting their mistakes, > that should count for something. > > > >When I made my own with the 9v battery and two electrodes, > before I knew > >a lot about CS, I was much happier to have a slightly yellow > CS rather > >than a clear solution, at least I knew I had some CS, and I think it > >worked better too. (Probably the batch of clear was very low ppm) > > Needless to say, I was way ahead of most people on my first > batch, and I knew nothing, > > How did I accomplish this ? A meter, knowledge, and a note pad, and > a stop watch. > Inquisitive mind, and redneck blood may have helped. > > And I have been ahead of most people still, the use a two bit, near > nothing generator > ever since. ( Note I said most, I did not say ALL ) > > Back to the real world. > > Who worries about turning gray ? > > If they worry about it, that indicates a lack of > knowledge, IMHO ! > > Just look at the odds ? > > As to the senator, I think his name was Stan,... > > First he was a politician, and an idiot too. He went off > half cocked, > and played Russian roulette. > > Just like most of the politicians today. Enough said. > > Now, you and I, we are neither politicians, we don't play > Russian roulette, > and we have a little knowledge and technical ability. > > Why Worry ? > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Hell, this is the 21st century AND cyberspace... Go here http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/ Chuck If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? On 9/4/2008 5:45:58 AM, Ode Coyote (odecoy...@alltel.net) wrote: > A book on basic electronics > won't burn up your brain too much. > Just knowing the difference between a parallel and series circuit and how > to hook up a multimeter to read what will take you a long way. > > Ode > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:57 AM
Re: CS>Blue People, Half Funny !
" I had a great deal of worries in my life .. most of them never happened ! " Mark Twain On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Dan Nave wrote: > What, me worry? > > Dan > > You wrote: > > > Why Worry ? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:58 AM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: CS>Blue People, Half Funny ! > > > > Good morning Dan, > > > > I respect your opinion, and normally agree, seldom > > disagree with you. > > If I did, . You might win. > > > > >> At 11:01 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > My classic question, .. "What difference does it make" ? > > >The difference is that you know what you have and you can > > count on it. > > >And you don't turn blue! > > That is half Funny, maybe 90 % or 100 %. > > > > The reason being, . how many of us have turned blue ? > > > > And poor Rosemary, the doctor did that for her. > > I communicated with Rosemary years ago. > > Before she changed her story... for whatever reasons. > > > > >I made a zapper for a friend once, he was merrily using it, > > but when I > > >checked it I found that the output lead was broken, so he was not > > >getting any zapping even though he thought he felt the > > subtle tingling > > >in his hands. > > I have argued with many engineers, ... > > > > You do not appraise or evaluate any device, when > > something goes wrong or it is not working right. > > > > What engine runs good when out of gas or the carburetor fell > > off ? Distributor cracked, rotor burned up, or 1000 other things. > > > > And I always win, back them into a corner, I could give you > > many examples, but I won't, One genius engineer made me epoxy > > "plug in" relays into the sockets. > > Yes, the engineer is the boss, in many cases. I do what they say. > > > > Another one wrote a specification that said basically, > > > > "If this component shall fail, if that component shall fail, > > or any other component shall fail, > > the system shall work right and everything shall function". > > > > You can guess what I told him. He said, "OK, I will strike > > that out" ! > > > > I have nothing against engineers, many are my friends. > > Many people have asked me if I am an engineer, > > > > My reply, Heavens NO ! > > But I have spent my whole life correcting their mistakes, > > that should count for something. > > > > > > >When I made my own with the 9v battery and two electrodes, > > before I knew > > >a lot about CS, I was much happier to have a slightly yellow > > CS rather > > >than a clear solution, at least I knew I had some CS, and I think it > > >worked better too. (Probably the batch of clear was very low ppm) > > > > Needless to say, I was way ahead of most people on my first > > batch, and I knew nothing, > > > > How did I accomplish this ? A meter, knowledge, and a note pad, and > > a stop watch. > > Inquisitive mind, and redneck blood may have helped. > > > > And I have been ahead of most people still, the use a two bit, near > > nothing generator > > ever since. ( Note I said most, I did not say ALL ) > > > > Back to the real world. > > > > Who worries about turning gray ? > > > > If they worry about it, that indicates a lack of > > knowledge, IMHO ! > > > > Just look at the odds ? > > > > As to the senator, I think his name was Stan,... > > > > First he was a politician, and an idiot too. He went off > > half cocked, > > and played Russian roulette. > > > > Just like most of the politicians today. Enough said. > > > > Now, you and I, we are neither politicians, we don't play > > Russian roulette, > > and we have a little knowledge and technical ability. > > > > Why Worry ? > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > -- www.atomicsilver.info www.xxisilver.com tel: +34 620 232 337
RE: CS>Particle size - Comments please
Ok, I am responding to my own query. If I have something wrong, let me know. This may only be an exercise without use except as my attempt to understand CS and it's limits as best as I can. What I have found: * Nothing on the permeability limits of sublingual although I expect it to be less than the intestinal permeability. * The permeability of the intestines allows the passing of molecules up to 9200 Daltons, typically. * While Daltons is a measure of molecular weight, 9200 Daltons roughly equates to 13 Angstroms. * As a sanity test, NaEDTA is used to measure intestinal permeability. Being a relatively large molecule (approximately 11 Angstroms) it has roughly a 5% (to maybe 18%) absorption rate. One can measure the levels of NaEDTA in the blood stream against the expected amount that should have been absorbed and determine if the permeability of the intestines is to high or too low. This correlates well with the previous statement. * CS with a yellow color has particle sizes in the .01 to .001 micron (10 to 100 Angstroms). * This would mean that most if not nearly all the CS particles in a yellow batch is not absorbable by the digestive system. (assuming a symmetrical distribution such as an even or Gaussian distribution) * There are factors such as pH and electrical charge that can increase or decrease absorption. * This would also mean that little CS is absorbed sublingually. Comments? Ideas? - Steve N -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Particle size Does anyone know what the maximum size particle is that can be absorbed into the body either sublingually or through the stomach and intestines? - Steve N
RE: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections?
Sara, You are probably regretting having mentioned your sensitivity because then we all try to provide help/suggestions that you may have already looked into. I apologize if this response is a bother but have you been tested for what they refer to as a leaky gut? It is a condition where the intestines pass through particles that are too large and it can cause symptoms such as you describe. There is an intestinal permeability assessment test that can detect the problem. The permeability of the intestines can be increased by a number of things including NSAID use. Treatments include glutamine, Vitamin A, Zinc, deglycyrrhizinated Licorice, Silymarin, Aloe and Slippery Elm. - Steve From: Sara [mailto:sce2...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections? Paula, my MCS is exactly that; and i can't deal with supplements either. unless i take them infrequently. if i could take all the great stuff that is rec. by Teitelbaum and others, i prob. wouldn't be this sick. however...taking them is severe punishment. including antiyeast stuff. so my task is to figure out how to kill what's infesting me without killing ME, no easy task. most docs think i am making myself this sick, and who am i to contest that. it's a tricky tightrope to navigate. sorry to be such a wet blanket. and thanks for your thoughts. sara
Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Hi Neville, think of a capacitor as a bathtub (or pressure tank?) for electrons - - The stripes on resistors Are hard to read, that's why I use a multimeter. And as you will soon discover, there are other striped animals in the electronic jungle but they're easy to spot (eewww!) with your trusty digital multimeter. Even the el-cheapo ~$10 digital multimeters are way more than good enough, just be sure they can measure "AC amperes; DC amperes; AC volts; DC volts; and Ohms." A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away - the navy - I was taught a mildly offensive little jingle to remember the color coding of electronic components: Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly; Get Some Now Black = 0 Brown = 1 Red= 2 Orange = 3 Yellow = 4 Green = 5 Blue = 6 Violet = 7 Grey = 8 White = 9 Gold = 5% tolerance Silver = 10% tolerance No color = 20% tolerance Have fun, Malcolm > > A book on basic electronics won't burn up your brain too much. > > Just knowing the difference between a parallel and series circuit and how > > to hook up a multimeter to read what will take you a long way. > > > > Ode AMEN -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Particle size - Comments please
Hi; this is a little too mechanistic to account for the body's ability to break down and recombine not only proteins sugars and fats but also mineral constituents of what we ingest. Nevertheless, it's been stated here in the past that 80 - 90% of CS is excreted through the bowel; I don't know if this is really true or not, but there are a few confusion factors to muddy the issue for ya. On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:54 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: > > Ok, I am responding to my own query. If I have something wrong, let me > know. This may only be an exercise without use except as my attempt to > understand CS and it's limits as best as I can. What I have found: > > * Nothing on the permeability limits of sublingual although I > expect it to be less than the intestinal permeability. > * The permeability of the intestines allows the passing of > molecules up to 9200 Daltons, typically. > * While Daltons is a measure of molecular weight, 9200 Daltons > roughly equates to 13 Angstroms. > * As a sanity test, NaEDTA is used to measure intestinal > permeability. Being a relatively large molecule (approximately > 11 Angstroms) it has roughly a 5% (to maybe 18%) absorption > rate. One can measure the levels of NaEDTA in the blood > stream against the expected amount that should have been > absorbed and determine if the permeability of the intestines > is to high or too low. This correlates well with the previous > statement. > * CS with a yellow color has particle sizes in the .01 to .001 > micron (10 to 100 Angstroms). > * This would mean that most if not nearly all the CS particles > in a yellow batch is not absorbable by the digestive system. > (assuming a symmetrical distribution such as an even or > Gaussian distribution) > * There are factors such as pH and electrical charge that can > increase or decrease absorption. > * This would also mean that little CS is absorbed sublingually. > > > Comments? Ideas? > > - Steve N > > -Original Message- > From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:06 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>Particle size > > > Does anyone know what the maximum size particle is that can be > absorbed into the body either sublingually or through the stomach and > intestines? > > - Steve N > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Particle size - Comments please
Yeah. After I did some analysis, it appeared that something was missing and unaccounted for. There isn't a lot of info out there that doesn't require subscriptions to to medical report data bases and I am not sure that I would correctly interpret the experimental results if I did have access to it. I have assumed that the silver particles are not broken down further in the body. While it is stated that charge can affect pereability, I found no discussion of how or how much. Even if it doubled permeability it still would not seem to account for what my experience seems to be using CS. Or CS is very effective in smaller concentrations that I thought. Right now it seems to be what do you believe - what you read in the literature or your lying eyes :-) - Steve N -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Particle size - Comments please Hi; this is a little too mechanistic to account for the body's ability to break down and recombine not only proteins sugars and fats but also mineral constituents of what we ingest. Nevertheless, it's been stated here in the past that 80 - 90% of CS is excreted through the bowel; I don't know if this is really true or not, but there are a few confusion factors to muddy the issue for ya. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
Sara, You certainly are not alone. I react very badly to organically grown veg, and have for years. I do think it has something to do with the increasing use of seaweed and fish fertilizers in organic farming, feeding of shellfish and seaweed meal (or ocean fish) to farmed freshwater fish, feeding of shellfish shells to chickens, kelp meal and such to cattle and what all the hell else food producers do to make my life miserable. Fish and kelp fertilizers are increasingly used by home gardeners also. Iodine I am extremely allergic/senstive to, also nickel (the first allergy I was ever aware of having). FWIW, nickel allergy isn't uncommon. Hence why I can't use sea salt--most contain both, as well as other stuff that I seem to react to. Reactive as I am to iodine, sea salt does contain less of it than iodized table salt does (haven't used that for 20 years), so I do believe the nickel content of sea salt gives me a double whammy. And any "organic" processed or packaged food of any kind invariably contains sea salt, and many contain also some kind of seaweed thickener, such as one of the algins, or carrageenan. Basically I can't use or ingest anything from the ocean. So all in all, any time I see a food with the "organic" label, I am very wary, and usually avoid it. Interesting about the clothing. I hadn't considered that, but I get most of my clothing at the thrift shop, so by the time I get it, it's usually been washed half to death, LOL. A lot of the time I spend on health groups online as well as at "health" websites is totally wasted as mostly I read about wonderful stuff that I react badly to. Even the common statements re potassium and magnesium are wasted on me, as supplementing either makes me feel horrible, unless I've done the taste test first. sol Sara wrote: *I really hesitate to be frank here, because it sounds so crazy. but i have been reacting very badly to anything organically grown for years, including clothing. i have some theories but don't really know why. could be they fertilize with fish source stuff, and anything from the ocean tends to really bother me, with heavy metals and pollutants and possibly iodine. anyway, it's ironic that the stuff that could be best for me hurts me so much. as a note, i seem to react to stuff in concentrations that even insects can deal with. it's what i call a sci-fi illness.* ** -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>thyroid meds and body temp
So does this mean they don't have low thyroid when the body temp is below normal? Thanks, Jess - Original Message - From: sol Date: Monday, September 1, 2008 7:27 pm Subject: Re: CS>thyroid meds and body temp To: silver-list@eskimo.com > jessi...@optonline.net wrote: > > Neenah, I have know about the Broda Barnes test for years. > Many people > > I know have body temps below 98.7 in the morning and even > during the > > day after arising. However, if they take thyroid supplements > in minor > > amounts, they lay awake all night, lose too much weight, can't > > tolerate heat, etc. This leads me to believe that the body > temp test > > is not true for everyone. Recently a friend was using a green > powder > > like Shultz's which has some seaweed. She ended up with Graves > disease > > and it caused congestive heart failure. So it was serious > while she > > was waiting for all the extra iodine to leave her body. Have > you heard > > of problems like this before? Thanks, Jess > I don't know if Neenah has heard of similar problems, but I sure > have. > I'm on other email lists with people who had thyroid storms > from > supplemental iodine, and a few people who have Grave's, and one > or two > who have both the antibody markers for Grave's and those for > Hashi's. It > isn't that uncommon to have both kinds of antibodies. And > Hashi's > attacks have been reported to be stimulated by iodine by some people. > sol > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: slat/C, was Re: CS>Motor Neuron Disease and German New Medicine
G Murray wrote: What is the amounts of Vitamin C and Salt regime? What are the quantities and are there certain times to take these compared with other Lyme meds? I don't know. I've got a lot of reading to do, LOL. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: RE: CS>thyroid meds and body temp
Nenah, she is no longer suffering from congestive heart failure, but is still having problems and a lot of bone loss. I know that coincides with menopause, but doesn't it also go along with overactive or hyperthyroid? Thanks, Jess - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 8:09 am Subject: RE: CS>thyroid meds and body temp To: silver-list@eskimo.com > From: jessi...@optonline.net [mailto:jessi...@optonline.net] > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:45 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>thyroid meds and body temp > > > > Nenah, I have know about the Broda Barnes test for years. Many > people I know > have body temps below 98.7 in the morning and even during the > day after > arising. However, if they take thyroid supplements in minor > amounts, they > lay awake all night, lose too much weight, can't tolerate heat, > etc. This > leads me to believe that the body temp test is not true for everyone. > Recently a friend was using a green powder like Shultz's which > has some > seaweed. She ended up with Graves disease and it caused > congestive heart > failure. So it was serious while she was waiting for all the > extra iodine to > leave her body. Have you heard of problems like this before? > Thanks, Jess > > Hi Jess. > > It's true that the body temp test is not infallible. Sometimes, > near-normal > temperatures may indicate an infection in someone who is > hypothyroid. Also, > intolerance to thyroid hormone may indicate toxicity in the body > (includingthe thyroid gland). > > > > There's certainly such a thing as too much iodine-or too much of > anything!Is your friend better now? > > > > Nenah > >
Re: CS>Rose Hips Questions
Dan, I think they have to be ripe. sol Dan Nave wrote: Someone gave me some rose hips. These are still green. Do they have to be more mature (ripe) in order to be useful as a food or vitamin source, or can they be harvested anytime? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: RE: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
Sara, I know what you mean. The best defense is often clean, healthy food in its natural state without additives, and getting all the vitamins & minerals by eating all the colors. Jess - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 4:12 pm Subject: RE: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sara, > > I know a few other people with exquisite sensitivities. Toxins > in the body > can prevent anything from working correctly. I'm wondering, have > you thought > of or tried sauna therapy? Sweating is one of the best ways to > eliminatetoxins. > > > > Nenah > > www.nenahsylver.com > > author, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy > > _ > > From: Sara [mailto:sce2...@windstream.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:28 PM > To: silver list > Subject: Re: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections > > > > I really hesitate to be frank here, because it sounds so crazy. > but i have > been reacting very badly to anything organically grown for > years, including > clothing. i have some theories but don't really know why. could > be they > fertilize with fish source stuff, and anything from the ocean > tends to > really bother me, with heavy metals and pollutants and possibly > iodine.anyway, it's ironic that the stuff that could be best for > me hurts me so > much. as a note, i seem to react to stuff in concentrations that even > insects can deal with. it's what i call a sci-fi illness. > > > > sara > >
Re: RE: CS>multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
But Nenah isn't it normal to have hot flashes in menopause? Jess - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:39 am Subject: RE: CS>multiple chemical sensitivity and infections To: silver-list@eskimo.com > This bounced to me for being too big. I've reformatted and sent > it > along for Nenah... > > Mike D. > > --- Forwarded message follows --- > Date sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 05:24:55 -0700 > From: "Nenah Sylver" > To: > Subject: RE: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and > infections > Hi Sara. > > Here's what I came up with on the fly: > > > > 1. Sitting in hot water might be overly stressing your adrenals > (dizziness). Or, the water might not be pure enough. > > > > 2. If you feel better from sweating in the course of your day, > but hurt > from FIR, either the FIR is penetrating deeply enough into the > body to > release junk into the bloodstream, or you're sensitive to the EM > radiation from the FIR heaters. The Lanthanide homeopathic > remedies > work with EM sensitivities. > > > > 3. The liver is the only organ that easily regenerates. If it > were me, > I'd want to identify what toxins are in your body and how to eliminate > them. But you may have considerable discomfort, and will have to ride > through it. > > > > 4. I still think you should get yourself checked for > hypothyroidism. > Toxins may indeed be interfering with your ability to process > thyroid > hormone. But this is the same as being hypothyroid! Read Mark > Starr's > book, Type 2 Hypothyroidism. His answer is to flood the system > with > thyroid hormone so the mitochondria can start working again, > WHILE you > are detoxing. Then, the supplemental hormone dose may be > decreased. The > fact that you get hot flashes confirms the need for a complete > glandular profile. > > > > So we have toxins (Florida is loaded with pesticides), hormonal > imbalance, probably opportunistic infections, and perhaps EM radiation > sensitivity. Plus, cellular low voltage. Chronically ill people don't > have enough voltage. (Normal thyroid function supports the > ability to > hold a charge.) > > > > If you email me off-list, I will give you the name of an excellent > practitioner in Sarasota. > > > > Best, > > Nenah > > www.nenahsylver.com > > > > -- > > From: Sara [mailto:sce2...@windstream.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:50 PM > To: silver list > Subject: Re: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections > > > > Nenah, > > > > it's strange that saunas make me very sick within minutes, but i > live > in north florida, and between the hot sticky weather and hot > flashes i > sweat a whole lot sometimes, and never feel bad at all from it. > FIR > really hurts me instantly. i sure would like to sweat a lot, but > am not > sure how to go about it. sitting in hot water make me very dizzy > quickly (as in a jacuzzi). am i really too toxic to detoxify? > this is > a major factor in my hesitation to use methods including CS that > kill > bacteria strongly. perhaps a new liver would be helpful. ;-) > > > > sara > > > --- End of forwarded message --- > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
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Morning Malcolm, Yep, got most of that yesterday Malcolm, I've got colour code charts everywhere, with the numbers, and am swimming in paper here. Funnily enough, I also downloaded a schematic of the 'bath tub' senario you mentioned, in that tank form. (smiling). I spent most of the day downloading. Hey, I even read that 'jingle' as well...lol. I stuck the meter on the resistor...OH, just for a laugh, I only paid $5 for my 'el-cheapo' meter too, anyway the meter read 00.4 I am still reading to get better understanding of ohms, amps, milliamps and current now so I can understand these relationships clearer. I'll get there. Also got a pic of an ohms law triangle, ie; V at the top and I and R on the bottom and just put finger on one to calculate the other two. Going to do some sums to get familiar with those calculations. I've printed so much info out about CS etc that I am tired of replacing ink cartridges, (costing me a fortune). I am going to have to pinch the new ones I got for my daughter back now to continue . Yep, it's all fun isn't it...as long as I can keep it as 'fun'. Neville. - Original Message - From: "Malcolm" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS. Hi Neville, think of a capacitor as a bathtub (or pressure tank?) for electrons - - The stripes on resistors Are hard to read, that's why I use a multimeter. And as you will soon discover, there are other striped animals in the electronic jungle but they're easy to spot (eewww!) with your trusty digital multimeter. Even the el-cheapo ~$10 digital multimeters are way more than good enough, just be sure they can measure "AC amperes; DC amperes; AC volts; DC volts; and Ohms." A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away - the navy - I was taught a mildly offensive little jingle to remember the color coding of electronic components: Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly; Get Some Now Black = 0 Brown = 1 Red= 2 Orange = 3 Yellow = 4 Green = 5 Blue = 6 Violet = 7 Grey = 8 White = 9 Gold = 5% tolerance Silver = 10% tolerance No color = 20% tolerance Have fun, Malcolm > A book on basic electronics won't burn up your brain too much. > Just knowing the difference between a parallel and series circuit and > how > to hook up a multimeter to read what will take you a long way. > > Ode AMEN -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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doing just that - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:09 AM Subject: Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS. Hell, this is the 21st century AND cyberspace... No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:57 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
Wow, Sol, that is pretty comprehensively my story too. with one small difference. i cannot tell if something will make me sick until after i have consumed it, within 5 minutes or 30 minutes, depending on how much it bothers me. so it seems like my body needs to have real "contact" with a thing before it knows. also, the more often it sees an item, the more likely it will react to it. also i can deal with some chicken and beef and pork; also catfish. but not other fish. i can get extremely sick from fish, and my testing points to metals like mercury in it. among other lovely things. have you ever used transfer factors? sara - Original Message - From: sol To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: Re: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections Sara, You certainly are not alone. I react very badly to organically grown veg, and have for years. I do think it has something to do with the increasing use of seaweed and fish fertilizers in organic farming, feeding of shellfish and seaweed meal (or ocean fish) to farmed freshwater fish, feeding of shellfish shells to chickens, kelp meal and such to cattle and what all the hell else food producers do to make my life miserable. Fish and kelp fertilizers are increasingly used by home gardeners also. Iodine I am extremely allergic/senstive to, also nickel (the first allergy I was ever aware of having). FWIW, nickel allergy isn't uncommon. Hence why I can't use sea salt--most contain both, as well as other stuff that I seem to react to. Reactive as I am to iodine, sea salt does contain less of it than iodized table salt does (haven't used that for 20 years), so I do believe the nickel content of sea salt gives me a double whammy. And any "organic" processed or packaged food of any kind invariably contains sea salt, and many contain also some kind of seaweed thickener, such as one of the algins, or carrageenan. Basically I can't use or ingest anything from the ocean. So all in all, any time I see a food with the "organic" label, I am very wary, and usually avoid it. Interesting about the clothing. I hadn't considered that, but I get most of my clothing at the thrift shop, so by the time I get it, it's usually been washed half to death, LOL. A lot of the time I spend on health groups online as well as at "health" websites is totally wasted as mostly I read about wonderful stuff that I react badly to. Even the common statements re potassium and magnesium are wasted on me, as supplementing either makes me feel horrible, unless I've done the taste test first. sol Sara wrote: > *I really hesitate to be frank here, because it sounds so crazy. but i > have been reacting very badly to anything organically grown for years, > including clothing. i have some theories but don't really know why. > could be they fertilize with fish source stuff, and anything from the > ocean tends to really bother me, with heavy metals and pollutants and > possibly iodine. anyway, it's ironic that the stuff that could be best > for me hurts me so much. as a note, i seem to react to stuff in > concentrations that even insects can deal with. it's what i call a > sci-fi illness.* > ** -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections?
Steve, thanks for your considerate comment. but it's pretty cool that many of the comments are not old hat to me. i have been thrilled and overwhelmed with a lot of the info, some of it off list. it's possible that i just gave up on stuff so long ago, and tried to just survive, that all this is almost new again. that was because every single supplement or nutrient, etc, that i tried just made me sick. i believe leaky gut may be a big issue for me. at least i had a ton of mercury in my mouth and that is linked to leaky gut too. of all the things you mention, the one thing i seem to tolerate esp if i don't do it very often is silymarin. never tried the licorice or glutamine at all. did you have this problem? and the test? and how is it going now? it might be nice to know, since i often just throw up my hands when it comes to big tests that tell you to take all this stuff that i couldn't take anyway. one thing that gets in the way very often is microcrystalline cellulose, a filler that is extremely common in many good quality supplements. it is like rat poison for me (if i was a rat!) thanks again, sara - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: RE: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections? Sara, You are probably regretting having mentioned your sensitivity because then we all try to provide help/suggestions that you may have already looked into. I apologize if this response is a bother but have you been tested for what they refer to as a leaky gut? It is a condition where the intestines pass through particles that are too large and it can cause symptoms such as you describe. There is an intestinal permeability assessment test that can detect the problem. The permeability of the intestines can be increased by a number of things including NSAID use. Treatments include glutamine, Vitamin A, Zinc, deglycyrrhizinated Licorice, Silymarin, Aloe and Slippery Elm. - Steve -- From: Sara [mailto:sce2...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>OT > multiple chemical sensitivity and infections? Paula, my MCS is exactly that; and i can't deal with supplements either. unless i take them infrequently. if i could take all the great stuff that is rec. by Teitelbaum and others, i prob. wouldn't be this sick. however...taking them is severe punishment. including antiyeast stuff. so my task is to figure out how to kill what's infesting me without killing ME, no easy task. most docs think i am making myself this sick, and who am i to contest that. it's a tricky tightrope to navigate. sorry to be such a wet blanket. and thanks for your thoughts. sara
