Re: CSSearching for colour.

[Neville]

- Original Message - 
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour.


[I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey 
anywhere else at all.]

-By this I take it there is no grey anywhere else...No?

N.


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Re: CSSearching for colour.

[Ode Coyote]

At 01:06 PM 12/2/2008 -0700, you wrote:

Ode Coyote wrote:
 Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body  from over 
indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system.

It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver.. retained
 With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually impossible 
to imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that much before the 
water kills you.


 The problem is that people who use salt as a starter and an 
unregulated generator
But, neither Marshall nor I used that kind of silver. Low ppm LVDC silver, 
no starters or additives of any kind. We both DID use a lot though. I'm 
just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere else at all.

sol

##


Assuming you have some proof that it's actually argyria...


You got a start on the virtually part, ey?


 Getting enough selenium?

ode



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Re: CSRe: Electricity as medicine

[Rowena]

There is a video How-to in course of planning for the site which will likely 
be put on YouTube.  In the meantime, Bethany, I have taken the liberty of 
forwarding you the first fast draft of a video I made using the photos on the 
site for the new standard godzilla.  It's just over 500 kb, so very short and 
quick as you might imagine, but all the pics are there and you can watch it as 
often as you need to, which might only be once.

Regards
Rowena


  Beth,

  There ia also a Yahoo group:
  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/

  It is mainly about an experiental zapper type germ killer you can make 
yourself which they call Godzilla.

   - Steve N




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  From: Bethany Methven [mailto:mrs_ak_h...@yahoo.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:10 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSRe: Electricity as medicine



I'm very interested in electricity as medicine. Can someone give me the 
details of how to make a small machine for medical use like that?  Also,  how 
it is used, when, where for how long, what all does it help with, etc?  Is 
there a website that talks more about it?  

Thanks -  Beth Methven
   

Re: CSRe: Electricity as medicine

[Marshall Dudley]

Dan Nave wrote:
Does anyone know what the device is that was used by Wesley as 
described in the Desideratum?
 
Apparently, it is a high voltage, low current device, probably a 
static electric generator of some sort.
 
This is certainly not what is used by the microelectricitygermkiller 
yahoo group.
 
Dan



*From:* Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:08 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* RE: CSRe: Electricity as medicine

Beth,
 
There ia also a Yahoo group:


http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/

It is mainly about an experiental zapper type germ killer you can
make yourself which they call Godzilla.

 - Steve N



*From:* Bethany Methven [mailto:mrs_ak_h...@yahoo.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:10 AM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* CSRe: Electricity as medicine


I'm very interested in electricity as medicine. Can someone give
me the details of how to make a small machine for medical use like
that?  Also,  how it is used, when, where for how long, what all
does it help with, etc?  Is there a website that talks more about
it? 
 
Thanks -  Beth Methven



I suspect that it might have been a violet wand, which was very popular 
before the FDA at the bequest of the drug industry outlawed them for 
medical use, and the claims on this device used by prominent doctors 
went from being a great healing tool to a scam quack device.  See 
http://www.violetwand.org/home.htm


Marshall


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Re: CSSearching for colour Brooks Bradley

[Indi]

My fingernail moons have always had a very slight violet/gray cast.
After googling extensively and watching this list for a few months, it seems
to me that argyria must be about as rare as hen's teeth...
There would have to be at least a hundred known cases for it to be
considered even a rare side effect, if we were talking about some FDA
approved med. :)

BTW, yesterday I started attacking my MRSA using the  protocol reported by
Brooks Bradley, consisting of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine. I put it 
in a nasal spray bottle, using a syringe as a measure.
I don't think I have breathed this freely since childhood, if even then.
My cats won't tell me if I snored less than usual, but I'll bet I did. :)
I also woke up two hours earlier than usual and feeling quite rested.
My right ankle, which for several years now has been swollen and itchy, is
just a bit smaller and less red this morning also.

Up until now, the MRSA has been kept in check by topical and internal use of
CS alone, but my symptoms of swelling, itching, cellulitis, and boils have 
quickly
gotten out of control whenever I slacked off using it. I am hopeful that this 
new method will actually rid me of the infection altogether.

Cheers,
indi

On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:05:42AM +1030, Neville wrote:

 - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:48 PM
 Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour.



 [Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body  from over
 indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system.
 It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver.. retained]
 -Ignoring for the moment a particular individuals ability/inability to  
 eliminate metals, perhaps you could elaborate a little more regarding the 
 *form* of silver.  From all literature I have read through I am satisfied 
 that silver in the form of ions pass through the body readily, and 
 rapidly, hence I don't consider ions pose any issue.  I am satisfied 
 that all literature suggesting small doses several times a day is far 
 preferable to larger doses per intake to be accurate for this reason.  
 Correct me if the above statement is considered wrong.

 [With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually impossible to
 imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that much before the water
 kills you.]
 -I'm satisfied with this also as tests on rabbits or rats, (doesn't 
 matter what animal anyway), given large amounts of silver only resulted 
 in one of them karking it due to the water, not the silver, so I'm well 
 satisfied with this statement.

 [The problem is that people who use salt as a starter and an unregulated
 generator along with the entirely BOGUS **1 PPM per minute** rule have zero
 idea how strong they make their EIS and most of it isn't ionic...thus, not
 subject to solubility limits.]
 -Yes, I've already determined this long ago which is why I won't 
 entertain any discussion of the published rubbish relating to those three 
 people I mentioned.  I discounted the 1ppm per minute thing long ago as 
 well due to numerous factors which are incorporated in EICS.

 [Even then, a normal system protects and smurfism is quite rare as a normal
 elimination rate is around 94% in 48 hours. [98% over 30 days for inhaled 
 dust]
 At that rate, it would take several hundred years to retain enough.]
 -I'm not unduly interested in stats as I'm not a very good statistician 
 Ode, however I have read similar to this.  The only question I would ask 
 here is in reference to my first reply above with the inference that 
 particles would work on this timeframe but ions would be eliminated 
 far quicker. Again correct me if this statement is considered wrong.

 [Researchers have been unable to study the phenomenon from start to finish
 because they have been unable to make it happen in a manner anything like
 reliably [if at all] even using injections at thousands of PPM.
 One researcher became so frustrated that he went to the silver processing
 industry and looked at pre safety standards records spanning almost 100  
 years.
 He found the lowest absenteeism from colds and flu of any industry and an
 incidence of Smurf at 1 in 2000 workers.]
 - Yep, I've eliminated any of the above for consideration for the reasons 
 you state.

 [Information from links to a collection of research papers off Rosemary
 Jacobs site before she actually read them and found them to make her claims
 very unlikely..and removing the links.  None of which addressed or
 mentioned colloidal silver anywhere but on the collections cover page.]
 -This person was the last person I heard about years ago and I never even 
 bothered to look into it as I already knew by that stage that I would 
 just be reading more of the same crap.

 To conclude:  My reason for asking the questions was purely of a selfish  
 nature to try and determine what effects people on this site have  
 experienced in all the 

Re: CSSearching for colour.

[Marshall Dudley]

Neville wrote:
my family alone I am unable to support the theory, (at this point in 
time), that silver should be considered as a contributing factor in 
this colouration until I can get further information to indicate 
otherwise.  The aforesaid moon colouration could be attributed to 
numerous other issues of which, again, I believe would be a digression 
from silver.  Of course I stand to be corrected on this but I would 
need more information to be forthcoming before I am satisfied, it 
appears there would be as many 'factors' involved in this as there are 
in EICS in my opinion.  At the moment I would say that colouration of 
moons could be a *healthy* sign of silver permeating through ones' 
entire system and this colouration could simply be the first sign, or 
'green light', signifying good blood circulation, combined with an 
adequate silver retention, while not necessarily being considered an 
*excess* of silver in the blood, (not dissimilar to 'rosy' cheeks if 
you like).  I have to say it's not a bad theory though, however, feel 
free to correct me if you have additional information which would 
negate this theory.

Thanks...Neville.



Well, the blood theory does not stand up.  Coloration due to blood goes 
away when pressure is exerted on the nail, forcing the blood out of the 
tissues, leaving them white.  This coloration is not affected by 
pressure at all, except that there is a very slight shift in the tint 
due to the pink from the blood going away.  Here is what I am talking 
about: http://silver-lightning.com/fingernails.JPG


Note that we have at least 3 reports, not 2, since my wife and I both 
have it. Also I got mine when drinking very large amounts of EIS to kill 
Lyme from a tick bite, the timing is I think essential to ascribing the 
cause.  What is interesting is that the the gray initially showed up in 
the moons only, but over the years has slowly diffused out beyond the 
moons.  Another interesting feature is on the index finger, where a 
slight injury of the root has for years caused the nail to have a slight 
white line up the nail, now that line is gray part of the way up.


Marshall


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Re: CSSearching for colour.

[Marshall Dudley]

Neville wrote:


- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour.


[I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere 
else at all.]

-By this I take it there is no grey anywhere else...No?

My hair is gray, but that has nothing to do with silver.

Marshall


N.


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Re: CSSearching for colour.

[Marshall Dudley]

Ode Coyote wrote:

At 01:06 PM 12/2/2008 -0700, you wrote:

Ode Coyote wrote:
 Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body  from over 
indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system.

It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver.. retained
 With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually 
impossible to imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that 
much before the water kills you.


 The problem is that people who use salt as a starter and an 
unregulated generator
But, neither Marshall nor I used that kind of silver. Low ppm LVDC 
silver, no starters or additives of any kind. We both DID use a lot 
though. I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey 
anywhere else at all.

sol

##


Assuming you have some proof that it's actually argyria...



I did have a doctor diagnose it as such, without her even knowing that I 
had taken any silver.  No tests were done, simply an observation that 
went like this when she saw them: You know that gray on your 
fingernails is from silver?


Marshall


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Re: CSgray finger nail beds

[Tony Moody]

On 2 Dec 2008 at 16:08, THE ADAMS FAMILY wrote about :
Subject : CSgray finger nail beds

 I to have gray fingernail beds, I have been taking silver for many years now 
 and this showed up about 3 yrs. ago. I would very much like to get ride of 
 this if anyone has any ideas. What to take and how much? I am not ready to 
 give up my silver.
 Thank You!!!
 Annie

Annie,

It has been said that taking Vit E and selenium prevents the gray forming. 
Maybe doing that 
will help to remove the gray.

OK,
Tony



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CSRe: Electricity as medicine

[Smitty]

From: Rowena

There is a video How-to in course . . .
 In the meantime, Bethany, I have taken the liberty of
forwarding you the first fast draft of a video I made . . .

Rowena, if it's not a bother, could you send me a copy
of your video.

Thanks,
Smitty


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Re: CSSearching for colour.

[Neville]

- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour.



[Well, the blood theory does not stand up.
Note that we have at least 3 reports, not 2, since my wife and I both
have it. Also I got mine when drinking very large amounts of EIS to kill
Lyme from a tick bite, the timing is I think essential to ascribing the
cause.  What is interesting is that the the gray initially showed up in
the moons only, but over the years has slowly diffused out beyond the
moons.  Another interesting feature is on the index finger, where a
slight injury of the root has for years caused the nail to have a slight
white line up the nail, now that line is gray part of the way up.]
-Very good Marshall, thanks for the photo, now I can see exactly what you 
all are talking about.  I'll ponder over this for a while.  Sorry about the 
numbers thing, I did say I'm not good at stats, focus is very narrow, sorry. 
Oh, I understand the grey hair part also g.  I also want to apologise if 
it seems I am dragging this out but just one more query if you don't 
mind...silver apparently collects in the skin tissue which also apparently 
results in an effect not dissimilar to a tattoo, (from information 
available), now although blood is involved I would have thought that if the 
silver 'stains' or behaves as a tattoo does then would it not be reasonable 
to assume that no matter what pressure is applied this 'staining' or tattoo 
effect would not diminish?  I know I'm naive regarding this but if the 
aforesaid 'staining' or tattooing thing is close to the mark then it 
suggests to me that the silver is not 'fixed' as such if you understand what 
I'm saying, more like 'trapped' in a given area.  I am wondering if in fact 
the colouration is not actually in the skin, or the nail, but may be trapped 
in some 'fluid' between the two and is visible because it is unable to 'get 
away' for the want of better words, as when we sweat, moisture is released 
and is visible on the skin.  It's OK, ignore me, I'm thinking aloud that's 
all as I haven't been able to find anything specifically relating to what I 
am thinking.  This could be helpful in building up a legitimate methodology 
with the use of CS that's all, and the only way of doing this is to discuss 
it with people such as yourselves.  Guess I need to learn some about human 
anatomy now.
Thanks again for your information, I appreciate it...N. 



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Re: CSgray finger nail beds

[sol]

Nail polish is toxic.
sol

marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Hi Annie.  Why not just buy a few bottles of pretty nail polish and 
not worry about it?  MA
 
 



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Re: CSSearching for colour.

[sol]

=Neville wrote:


- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour.


[I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere 
else at all.]

-By this I take it there is no grey anywhere else...No?

None.
BTW, Grey around nail moons waxes and wanes depending on how much 
EIS I use daily, and maybe with my selenium and vit E intake (whatever, 
they do get slightly better or worse from time to time) in fact the 
first (R) thumbnail to ever show any grey is now fairly clear in the 
center.

sol






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Re: CSSearching for colour.

[sol]

Ode Coyote wrote:


Assuming you have some proof that it's actually argyria...
No proof, it will be interesting to see if it reduces as I get rid of my 
high ferritin.



You got a start on the virtually part, ey?


 Getting enough selenium?

Some but not enough. Vit E helps too?
sol



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CSSinus and or Ear infection

[Ted Mozell]

Hi , Mike  I woke up this morning put my feet on the floor and stood up to the 
whole room spinning around on me scared the hell out of me . I got in to see my 
Doctor in the afternoon she thinks i have a inner ear infection and gave me 
some spray  for my nose and some decongestants.  I remember  a while back a 
post about sinus infections . I looked back through my messages and can't find 
it has anyone had any luck with this type of problem what did you use ? Thank 
You Ted

Re: CSSearching for colour.

[Michael Zangari]

For me the first question is why is it collecting in the fingernail.
In lew of knowing what the problem is, I think in terms of resoance and like 
frequency.
If it can collect, it can be broken up.
I work sonically and with reflexology.





=z= 
The novelist, journalist and psychologist 
Michael Zangari 
http://zangarijournalism.com

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:

From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:46 PM

Ode Coyote wrote:

 Assuming you have some proof that it's actually argyria...
No proof, it will be interesting to see if it reduces as I get rid of my 
high ferritin.

 You got a start on the virtually part, ey?

  Getting enough selenium?
Some but not enough. Vit E helps too?
sol



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Re: CSSearching for colour.

[Michael Zangari]

There are several really good metal detoxing agents on the market. I won't 
mention eny brands but it is researchable.  II also like Oxybliss..sorry about 
the brand, but it was so good I had detoxing in my eyes.
 
I suppose someone has to say it.
You may be approaching an overdose.
Sterling silver is leathal.


 



=z= 
The novelist, journalist and psychologist 
Michael Zangari 
http://zangarijournalism.com

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:

From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 12:47 PM

Ode Coyote wrote:
 At 01:06 PM 12/2/2008 -0700, you wrote:
 Ode Coyote wrote:
  Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body  from over
indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system.
 It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver..
retained
  With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually
impossible to imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that much before
the water kills you.
 
  The problem is that people who use salt as a starter
and an unregulated generator
 But, neither Marshall nor I used that kind of silver. Low ppm LVDC
silver, no starters or additives of any kind. We both DID use a lot though.
I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere else at
all.
 sol
 
 ##
 
 Assuming you have some proof that it's actually argyria...
 

I did have a doctor diagnose it as such, without her even knowing that I had
taken any silver.  No tests were done, simply an observation that went like this
when she saw them: You know that gray on your fingernails is from
silver?

Marshall


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Re: CSgray finger nail beds

[marmar845]

Well damn. How come all the good stuff is bad for you??? MA


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Re: CSgray finger nail beds

[cking001]

It builds character.

Chuck
Once you've seen one shopping center you've seen a mall.


On 12/3/2008 10:12:23 PM, marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Well damn. How come all the good stuff is bad for you??? MA
 
 
 -- Original message from sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com: 
 --
 
 
  Nail polish is toxic.
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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AM

Re: CSgray finger nail beds

[marmar845]

I'll forego that little bit of character, Chuck -- and have the nail polish instead!! MA (grinning)


-- Original message from cking...@nycap.rr.com: --  It builds character.   Chuck  Once you've seen one shopping center you've seen a mall.On 12/3/2008 10:12:23 PM, marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:   Well damn. How come all the good stuff is bad for you??? MA   -- Original message from sol :  --Nail polish is toxic. 

Re: CSSearching for colour.

[Neville]

- Original Message - 
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour.

Snipped quote:
[-By this I take it there is no grey anywhere else...No?
None.
BTW, Grey around nail moons waxes and wanes depending on how much
EIS I use daily, and maybe with my selenium and vit E intake (whatever,
they do get slightly better or worse from time to time) in fact the
first (R) thumbnail to ever show any grey is now fairly clear in the
center.]

OK, I'm getting a picture here that it's pretty much pointless continueing 
with this nail moon thing as it seems there are a number of people ingesting 
medication or something else.  This being the case there is no possibility 
of me making any correlation with silver while there is a combination going 
on.


I mistakenly thought that silver was the only thing being ingested, not 
realising that other stuff was involved, sorry about that waisting of time 
people, still, I got something from it.


I have found something very curious though, as a result of my discussion 
with Marshall I did an 'inspection' of my wifes fingernails and was 
*astonished* to find that hers was similar to Marshall's.  The only 
difference is that the moon itself is probably not quite as grey and the 
other coloured 'arc' just above the moon is more defined and not appearing 
to be 'bleeding', if you understand my terminology of 'bleeding'.  She's 
only been on CS for a matter of months but unfortunately I never noted the 
moons *prior* to her starting on CS, damn pity about that, I'm not bothered 
as there is no way it can be attributed to silver, (she happens to be on 
medication also!)  I'll do some more moon 'inspecting'.


I've been ingesting CS for approaching 4 years on a daily basis now, between 
30 and 50ml, and the colour of solution has ranged from clear to very deep 
golden, the ppm can vary between 7 and 10ppm (after stabilising), and there 
is nothing in my nails, they are probably 'red-ish' if anything.  When first 
getting into CS a few years prior I just used rain water at 250ml, (think 
that's 8 ounces?), in the morning but that wasn't every day, only 
spasmodically on and off for 2 to 3 years.


I usually ensure the CS is clear, but am not fazed if it colours, (I've 
worked out my own medicinal value theories regarding the colour and 
ion/particulate issue), and the coloured batches were  intermittent between 
using distilled and pure water.  Experimental that's all, I've finished with 
experimenting with water now.  I guess one could say I am using my own 
researched information and myself as a guinea pig and I will see how my 
moons shape up over time, just don't know how long it will take that's all, 
if it happens that is.  If they do colour it won't particularly bother me, 
I'll still be healthy, I'll just paint them black and go Gothic or whatever 
they call itg.  I'm considered the resident lunatic anyway for drinking CS 
so nobody will pay me any attention, of course if I was a millionaire I 
would be considered 'eccentric'and smiled at, rather than ridiculed and 
frowned upon as a 'pauper'.


Neville.


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