Re: CSemphysema

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

My sister in law has emphysema and hers is not treatable.  I  
understood that this condition is the destruction of the alveoli in  
the lungs.  dee


On 20 Aug 2009, at 20:51, Smitty wrote:


A very often overlooked treatment for emphysema is high-dose iodine.
It is also good for asthma and allergies.


I'm wondering if there are various stages of emphysema ?
There must be. . .it's not likely a person wakes up one
day with full blown emphysema.

If caught early, can it be healed or reversed ?
Is it treatable ?

thanks,
Smitty


-

Re: CSGrave's disease

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I wonder if iodine supplementation would help.  Iodine has marvelous  
properties and the lack of it is involved in a lot of disease,  
especially the thyroid and breast cancer.  You have to make sure you  
are not allergic to it though.  dee


On 20 Aug 2009, at 21:29, Jean Baugh wrote:


Hi,

A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease  
and there
were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid  
gland.  The

symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack.

Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help?

Thank you,

Jean


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Re: CSCat Won't Gain weight

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

nor me, but diatomaceous earth is a good one.  dee

On 20 Aug 2009, at 23:33, Gayla Roberts wrote:


Never heard of cs as a dewormer.
Gayla
Bob and Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, CA

Re: CSMS

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I have a theory about this.  I wonder if this disease could be caused  
by the herpes zoster virus, as I had sciatica for two years and was in  
agony with it.  Nothing the doctors could do would cure it and until I  
started treating it as the herpes virus, it wouldn't shift.  Now I am  
sciatica and 'stabbling pain' (as I call it) free.  I do occasionally  
get the 'stabbing pain' back, but with copious amounts of CS and l- 
lysine it goes away.  Just a thought.  dee


On 21 Aug 2009, at 04:16, Trem wrote:


Hi Folks,

We had several people tell us the symptoms went away and they were  
able to resume normal activities after taking copious amounts of  
CS..  I don't recall dosage but think they took a pint or more daily  
orally.  At the time I thought the results were very encouraging and  
so stated to anyone calling and asking if  CS would help MS.


Trem
www.sivergen.com

Re: CSMS

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

this is a good one to save Pat.  dee

On 21 Aug 2009, at 04:32, Pat wrote:


Vitamin D might have a role in MS prevention, lots of research.

   http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/researchMS.shtml

CSMaking first batch - Couple of questions?

[j.sherri]

Hi,

I put up a bare bones generator and both rods are black one with 
barnacles. Not seeing any activity such as bubbles. It's been an hour. 
How long does it take for the tiny bubbles to start? Is that a perquisite even?


Thanks so much,
Joy



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RE: CSHomemade CS

[Ode Coyote]

  Plug n play  about 10 PPM

Ode


At 08:47 AM 8/20/2009 -0400, you wrote:

Ode

How many ppm's does the silversuppy usually make in a quart jar of 
distilled water?


 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:40:00 -0400
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 From: odecoy...@windstream.net
 Subject: RE: CSHomemade CS



 For $75 or less, you can get an EC [electrical conductivity] meter
 that's far better than a TDS meter which will show all zeros even though
 the water is significantly impure. at .99 uS [IF... the TDS meter is
 reading right in that end of the 2000 PPM scale]

 Ode


 At 05:17 PM 8/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
 I use my R/O's water. I have a TDS meter and check the purity. Its worth
 the $75 in the long run to know your water is pure enough.
 
 
 --
 From: Del at Dri-Wash [mailto:d...@driwash.us]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:55 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSHomemade CS
 
 My dumb questions for the day :-)
 
 Is it possible to make safe and effective collidial silver using high
 quality filtered water as opposed to steam generated distilled water?
 
 If so are any of the home filter units of sufficient quality to allow 
this?

 
 Thanks,
 
 Del
 


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Re: CSHomemade CS

[Ode Coyote]

An EC meter is sort of like an Ohm meter, but is calibrated to measure 
conductivity per cubic centimeter using a high frequency AC  current 
source [Sort of jiggles the ions rather than sending them scooting or 
making new ones]   to avoid adding the meters influence to electroysis, 
whereas, an Ohmmeter does *total* resistance, the inverse of conductivity.


 An Ohmmeters DC current will do or add to electrolysis, upsetting the 
reading and the probes don't have a calibrated distance or area for volume 
measurement.


PS  NO meter measures PPM.

 A TDS meter IS an EC meter where the conductivity reading is used in a 
formula to get a number that corresponds to PPM in salt water.
 Different types of salt water use different formulas..and CS isn't any of 
those.


 The main problem with TDS meters isn't how they work [they work the same 
way], but readout resolution and range read error..range usually from 0 to 
~4000 uS  [0 to 2000 PPM] accurate to +/- 2% usually calibrated at around 
300 PPM and we are looking at readings down around 0-8, the way bottom of 
the range.


 Comparing identical TDS meters, they may read as much as 3 digits apart 
in the same sample [not usually that bad, but 1 digit is common]  The 
difference between digits is around 4 PPM max in silver water and you don't 
know where it's about to flip to which next whole digit.  If it read in 
tenths, you would know.


The range of an EC meter is far less and is used more within the intended 
range with a decimal place of resolution and no conversions to unconvert.
 Comparing even different *brands* of EC meters in the same sample, they 
generally get within a couple of tenths of a Microsiemen [uS / cc ] from 
each other.


A TDS and an EC meter use the same principles, but an EC meter is a far 
better meter for the application.
And there are still more nuances to getting an accurate reading with either 
one.

When you take the measurement counts a lotas much as 50%

And they only read the conductive ionic portion of a batch [ Not TOTAL 
silver]  which can vary as much as 15% at under 30 uS
 At over 30 uS all meters are pretty much useless in EIS [CS] due to the 
Silver ion saturation limits of water.


Ode



Is an EC the same as my continuity tester? If it is, I will pull mine
out  check the units. Because, believe it or not, I'm an
electrician.  Thanks Ode


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RE: CSHomemade CS

[Ode Coyote]

  I bought one off ebay a while back out of curiosity and compared it to a 
few more pricey meters...THAT one...seemed just fine.

Don't know if it's the same one you mention, or if all of them read the same.

Probably a good bet though.

Ode

At 12:01 PM 8/20/2009 -0400, you wrote:

There is an EC meter on E Bay for $17.90 plus shipping.
Is it any good.
Bob

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Metz [mailto:josephm...@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:10 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSHomemade CS


   For $75 or less, you can get an EC [electrical conductivity] meter
 that's far better than a TDS meter which will show all zeros even
 though the water is significantly impure. at .99 uS  [IF...
 the TDS meter is reading right in that end of the 2000 PPM scale]

 Ode

Hi Ode,

I would like to measure ppm but I am confused already.

You just said a ec measures better than a TDS. A question on grammar, it
is the TDS meter which will show all zeros even though the water is
significantly impure?  the EC which is .99 uS ?  .99 uS 
means on cent less that $1 US?

Is an EC the same as my continuity tester? If it is, I will pull mine
out  check the units. Because, believe it or not, I'm an electrician.
Thanks Ode


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Re: CSemphysema

[Paula Perry]

I would recommend serrapeptase for emphysema. It is said to be very effective 
for emphysema. I know that it certainly helped me when I had breathing and lung 
issues.
Paula

-Original Message-
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
Sent: Aug 21, 2009 3:42 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSemphysema

My sister in law has emphysema and hers is not treatable.  I  
understood that this condition is the destruction of the alveoli in  
the lungs.  dee

On 20 Aug 2009, at 20:51, Smitty wrote:

 A very often overlooked treatment for emphysema is high-dose iodine.
 It is also good for asthma and allergies.

 I'm wondering if there are various stages of emphysema ?
 There must be. . .it's not likely a person wakes up one
 day with full blown emphysema.

 If caught early, can it be healed or reversed ?
 Is it treatable ?

 thanks,
 Smitty


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Re: CSMS

[EJohns9525]

 
There are a few people on this pH balancing forum who considered themselves 
 well.  Of course they still follow the good pH protocol.  Refreshed is  
the main one who comes to mind if you want to look up her  messages.
_http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=740_ 
(http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=740) Edith

From:  _ROBERT SMITH_ (mailto:rresm...@q.com)   
To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com)  
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:07  PM
Subject: CSMS



I have a 30 year old grandson who was recently  diagnosed as having MS.  
Before I unsubscribed several years ago a  lady named Nancy had claimed 
benefits for Ms using EIS by IV.  My  grandson lives in Minneapolis.  Does 
anyone 
know if the IV with silver is  available in his area?  Bob Smith

RE: CSGrave's disease

[Thora Rasmusen (Home)]

Stay away from soy.  This is a big task, as it has about 40 different names.

Here's a good place to start:
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

Thora 

-Original Message-
From: Jean Baugh [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSGrave's disease

Hi,

A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease and there
were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid gland.  The
symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack.

Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help?

Thank you,

Jean


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RE: CSMS

[Thora Rasmusen (Home)]

LDN can have side effects, so do your research.
 
Thora

  _  

From: Del at Dri-Wash [mailto:d...@driwash.us] 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMS


Hi Robert,
 
While you're looking at possible MS treatments check out Low Dose
Naltrexone.   It has an enviable record with MS patients.   You can read
about it here:  http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_and_ms.htm
 
I have personally used LDN for several years (in connection with fNHL) .
LDN is inexpensive, safe, and no side effects.
 
Good Luck  Good Health,
 
Del
 

- Original Message - 
From: ROBERT SMITH mailto:rresm...@q.com  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: CSMS

 
I have a 30 year old grandson who was recently diagnosed as having MS.
Before I unsubscribed several years ago a lady named Nancy had claimed
benefits for Ms using EIS by IV.  My grandson lives in Minneapolis.  Does
anyone know if the IV with silver is available in his area?  Bob Smith


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Re: CSAdjunctive Protocol for DMSO (TOPICAL) Applications

[Indi]

Thanks, Steve. 
It does sound interesting, hope you'll let us know if you come up with
anything. 

-- 
indi

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 05:24:23PM -0500, Norton, Steve wrote:
 
  Indi,
 
 Actually, this is something I am just getting interested in so I really
 don't have anything solid. I was trying to find a report that I remember
 seeing last year (or 2 yrs ago?) that showed that taking low doses of
 methlene blue was effective against cancer. I haven't yet found that
 report but I did run across this report:
 http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007SPIE.6427E..11B. I find it interesting
 but have not yet found a practical way of using it. One problem is that
 it needs oxygen in the tissues to work. A hyperbaric chamber is
 impractical for most of us. There are other options to look at such as
 ozone, hydrogen peroxide, magnesium peroxide, chlorine dioxide, ...
 
 Also, if you search Earth Clinic, you find that MB may be effective for
 Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, fungus, malaria, cyanide poisoning, extreme
 weakness, loss of energy, chronic fatigue sysndrome and extreme mental
 exhaustion. For those interested in swine flu the following is from the
 Earth Clinic:
 
 
 07/22/2009: Ted (par...@yahoo.com) from Bangkok, Thailand writes: ...
 I have encountered a person who was dying from swine flu, pretty much
 the doctors have given up. Tamiflu simply didn't work both as prevention
 and in advanced cases of the swine flu, or the 2009 Viruses. The only
 thing that has helped this man in ICU was actually the hourly dose for
 24 hour of 1000 mg of lysine. For weeks he was on high fever, and the
 only thing that can tame his fever was actually the lysine. When he did
 get better and body temperature became normal, the lysine dose was
 switched to 2000 mg every two hours, since every hour prevented him
 having long sleep. Lysine was fed via tube. Ideally the lysine dose can
 be spaced much further if there is no increase in any fever. Since this
 man was a confirmed H1N1, where it took a week to found out he did have
 H1N1, the swine flu ate away about half of his lungs, from excessive
 mucus, and the man was not able to breathe on his own, and has to be on
 an artificial respirator. As a result, the excessive mucus was
 controlled with 4 tablets of chinese herbal supplements ganmaoling
 tablets, taken every 4 hours so it may again disturb his sleep schedule.
 Within the first hour, there were clear indications of reduced mucus,
 and it was this that ate away his lungs. His inability to breathe was
 placed on artificial respirator, as a result two more supplements needed
 to restore his normal breathing using methylene blue 0.1% taken at 2
 drops one in the morning and two drops one in the evening. Since
 methylene blue did restore or return his breathing and was taken off the
 artificial respirator within the week, the methylene blue caused him to
 sleep less as he now has more energy. Therefore the dose was reduced to
 one drop in the morning and one drop at 12.00 p.m. Tamiflu was not
 helpful both as prevention and when people did have it since some were
 on tamiflu.
 
 Also this report:
 http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/14724055/Methylene_blue_improv
 es_brain_oxidative_metabolism_and_memory_retention_in_rats
 
 Together the findings suggest that low-dose MB enhances spatial memory
 retention in normal rats by increasing brain cytochrome c oxidase
 activity.
 
 And http://learnmem.cshlp.org/content/11/5/633.full:
 Extinction Memory Improvement by the Metabolic Enhancer Methylene Blue
 
 And
 http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/07/31/rember_for_alzheimers_me
 thylene_blues_comeback.php
 Rember for Alzheimer's: Methylene Blue's Comeback
 
 And this forum
 http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=947f9ef770bf8d58786849b97f52c75
 1showtopic=23947pid=337485st=100#entry337485
 
 
 
 So for right now I think it is worth further investigation.
 
  - Steve
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Indi [mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:01 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSAdjunctive Protocol for DMSO (TOPICAL) Applications
 
 Hey Steve,
 
 You roused my curiosity so I searched but didn't find much info on
 methylene blue other than that it is used to treat aquariums. Can you
 point me at some more info?
 
 Thanks,
 --
 indi
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 02:26:40PM -0500, Norton, Steve wrote:
 What great timing! I have been considering a report that showed
 that
 use of IR light with a low dose Methlene Blue is effective against
 a
 number of organisms. I have been wondering if you can use a tanning
 bed
 along with suntan lotion to filter out UV to treat a large area.
 Would a tanning bed work with this as well?
 - Steve N
 
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Re: CSInvive

[Indi]

Yes, agreed about that Invive -- dangerous stuff. But you know, some people 
heal from the power of suggestion, aka faith healing or the placebo effect.

Hey, whatever works.

-- 
indi

Effectiveness is the measure of truth.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 06:03:36AM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:


   Invive is Mild Silver Protein
 MSP is said to be about 1/50 as effective as home made as most of the  
 silver is covered by protein and the particle sizes are pretty large.
 You can Google Chemical Supply and buy MSP powder by the kilo for a  
 reasonable price...just mix with water.
  There is now another product in the catalog called nano-silver powder. 
 which is probably far superior.

 The Invive website only survives making ludicrous claims and dangerous  
 recommendations *** because it's based in Canadaand I don't think it  
 makes any Canadian sales.
 loophole to avoid the FTC and FDA and whatever Canadian legalities as well

 *** To bring the level of silver in the blood stream up to a effective 
 20 PPM, it takes.

  WHAT

 If I were you I'd stay away from that pack of dangerous crooks [Invive]

 Ode



 At 02:20 PM 8/19/2009 +0100, you wrote:
 I don't think anyone would recommend taking this ppm for any length of  
 time.  Much better (and cheaper!) to make your own and just as, if not  
 more, effective.  dee

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 01:10,  
 mailto:luv2h...@optonline.netluv2h...@optonline.net wrote:

 Marshallee...

 Thanks and glad to hear the CS helped with your Lyme.  Mine is in the 
 late disseminated stage as well, had it since 1986 though it was only 
 diagnosed 3 years ago.  Three years of antibiotics, both orally and  
 shots, haven't helped too much so I'm looking into other options.  CS 
 appears to be a recommended option and I've just started using a 
 product called Invive 5000 ppm.however, at the recommended dosage 
 of 4 teaspoons per day it will become somewhat expensive at $100 per 
 118 ml bottle.  So I have some questions, if you don't mind.




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Re: CSCat Won't Gain weight

[Marshall Dudley]

Just a guess, but since DE works by it's sharp edges cutting the worms 
up, if you have clay added to it, it seems that the clay might cover it 
and make each particle into a ball with no sharp edges.


Marshall

Fuzzmom wrote:
Hi chuck. I'm using de...Red lake earth with the clay addative..its 
all I can find...doesn't seem to be doing much..how come? Am I using 
the wrong kind?

- Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: CSCat Won't Gain weight


I'd be more inclined to use diatomaceous earth as a supplement for
deworming.

Chuck
[sigh] Nostalgia just isn't what it used to be ...

On 8/20/2009 6:33:25 PM, Gayla Roberts (aera...@gmail.com) wrote:

Never heard of cs as a dewormer.
Gayla
Bob and Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, CA
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
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Subject: Re: CSCat Won't Gain weight


Haven't seen any but
doesn't mean he doesn't have. Wow..thanks. I
don't dilute with water or anything..right? Also someone told me cs 
is a dewormer..I don't

see how but have you ehard that, too?
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RE: CSGrave's disease

[Dianne France]

Thora

Isn't Lecithin a soy product?  

Dianne
 
 From: mugg...@cyberlink.bc.ca
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CSGrave's disease
 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:53:19 -0700
 
 Stay away from soy. This is a big task, as it has about 40 different names.
 
 Here's a good place to start:
 http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html
 
 Thora 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jean Baugh [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] 
 Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:29 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSGrave's disease
 
 Hi,
 
 A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease and there
 were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid gland. The
 symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack.
 
 Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Jean
 
 
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Re: CSMS

[Marshall Dudley]

Also avoiding aspartame and taking serrapeptase

http://www.serrapeptase.info/content.asp?page=Multiple%20Sclerosis%20-%20MS

Marshall

Pat wrote:
Vitamin D might have a role in MS prevention, lots of research. 


   http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/researchMS.shtml





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Re: CSemphysema

[Marshall Dudley]

Did she try serrapeptase?  Google serrapeptase emphysema for a number of 
articles on it.  That in conjunction with CS nebulization just might 
allow the dead tissue to be cleared away, and new alveoli to be grown back.


Marshall

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
My sister in law has emphysema and hers is not treatable.  I 
understood that this condition is the destruction of the alveoli in 
the lungs.  dee


On 20 Aug 2009, at 20:51, Smitty wrote:


A very often overlooked treatment for emphysema is high-dose iodine.
It is also good for asthma and allergies.


I'm wondering if there are various stages of emphysema ?
There must be. . .it's not likely a person wakes up one
day with full blown emphysema.

If caught early, can it be healed or reversed ?
Is it treatable ?

thanks,
Smitty


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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Indi]

The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy and meat
industries, and their scapegoating of soy pretty much amounts to a 
disinformation 
campaign. Look more deeply into their propaganda and you'll see they have 
little 
regard for the truth.

http://www.radiantrecovery.com/soy4303html.htm
http://unreasonable.org/node/1642
http://www.soytoy.com/soyvey.html


The fact is there are positives and negatives to soy, just as with practically 
every other food on the planet. Don't base your diet on a single food (duh), 
and 
don't be fooled by the meat industry's disinformation campaigns! 

-- 
indi



On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 05:53:19AM -0700, Thora Rasmusen (Home) wrote:
 Stay away from soy.  This is a big task, as it has about 40 different names.
 
 Here's a good place to start:
 http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html
 
 Thora 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jean Baugh [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] 
 Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:29 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSGrave's disease
 
 Hi,
 
 A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease and there
 were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid gland.  The
 symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack.
 
 Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Jean
 
 
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Re: CSMS

[Del at Dri-Wash]

I personally have worked with dozens of cancer patients using LDN.   The only 
side effect noted in this group has been increase in dreams.   Realize LDN is 
naltrexone taken at less than 1/10 of the standard dose.   The main effect of 
low dose naltrexone is an increase in endorphins.But, as Thora says, do you 
due diligence.   After all this is the Internet.  :-)

Del
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Thora Rasmusen (Home) 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:56 AM
  Subject: RE: CSMS


  LDN can have side effects, so do your research.

  Thora



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  Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:47 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSMS


  Hi Robert,

  While you're looking at possible MS treatments check out Low Dose Naltrexone. 
  It has an enviable record with MS patients.   You can read about it here:  
http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_and_ms.htm

  I have personally used LDN for several years (in connection with fNHL) .  LDN 
is inexpensive, safe, and no side effects.

  Good Luck  Good Health,

  Del

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From: ROBERT SMITH 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: CSMS


 
I have a 30 year old grandson who was recently diagnosed as having MS.  
Before I unsubscribed several years ago a lady named Nancy had claimed benefits 
for Ms using EIS by IV.  My grandson lives in Minneapolis.  Does anyone know if 
the IV with silver is available in his area?  Bob Smith

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RE: CSGrave's disease

[Dianne France]

Indi

 

What works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another.  I am a WAP 
member

only because a friend recommended I try some of their practices when I was 
totally 

home bound and getting worse.  I truly felt doctors were killing me and they 
were.  

Today I live a fairly normal life thanks to WAP.  I don't take everything they 
teach as

gospel but am a much healthier person and enjoy life thanks to them.

 

If you choose not to agree is one thing but to call them a shill is another.  I 
believe

my returned health to be my truth.  Proof is in the pudding thing:-)  I 
appreciate many of

your posts, name calling isn't one of them.

 

Dianne
 
 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:13:44 -0400
 From: indi.sha...@gmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease
 
 The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy and meat

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Re: CSMS

[jr orrilia]

Just in case she is using artifical sweeteners, using them will give you MS 
symptoms. Stopping them will stop the symptoms.  Orrilia


From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:39:21 PM
Subject: Re: CSMS


Hi, I remember Nancy and will see if I can locate her emails. My sister had 
this before I knew much but was searching and searching back then. One thing 
for sure is to stop diet drinks and take as much CS as possible via mouth until 
you find out otherwise.
 
I will be praying as I seem to do better doing that as I am a BELIEVER. 
 
Leslie
 

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From: ROBERT SMITH 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: CSMS

 
I have a 30 year old grandson who was recently diagnosed as having MS.  
Before I unsubscribed several years ago a lady named Nancy had claimed 
benefits for Ms using EIS by IV.  My grandson lives in Minneapolis.  Does 
anyone know if the IV with silver is available in his area?  Bob Smith



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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Indi]

Hi Dianne,

Naming a thing what it is could be construed as name calling, but IMO it's a
good thing to do it. It isn't simply that I choose not to agree Dianne, it's
that they do spread dangerous disinformation. I'm sorry if pointing that out 
upsets you, but facts are facts. However, I have no desire to debate this. 
I simply provided a few appropriate links in order to raise the awareness of 
those who might otherwise be fooled by the disinformation. 
Here's two more:

http://ethicaleating.org.uk/2008/10/26/saturatedfatisgoodforyou/
http://www.aviva.ca/article.asp?articleid=14

I'm glad that you have made some progress in your recovery, but IMO you may be
misattributing the cause of it. That does happen sometimes.

-- 
indi


On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:49:53AM -0400, Dianne France wrote:
Indi
 
What works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another.  I am a
WAP member
only because a friend recommended I try some of their practices when I
was totally
home bound and getting worse.  I truly felt doctors were killing me and
they were.
Today I live a fairly normal life thanks to WAP.  I don't take
everything they teach as
gospel but am a much healthier person and enjoy life thanks to them.
 
If you choose not to agree is one thing but to call them a shill is
another.  I believe
my returned health to be my truth.  Proof is in the pudding thing:-)  I
appreciate many of
your posts, name calling isn't one of them.
 
Dianne
 
 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:13:44 -0400
 From: indi.sha...@gmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease

 The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy and
meat
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RE: CSGrave's disease

[Gina Moore]

Removal of the thyroid gland or drugs are completely unnecessary!  There are
other options. CS can help.  There is a theory that what causes Graves,
Hashimoto's and the like is a mycoplasma or other bacterial/viral/fungal
infection, so CS could kill that.  It's an autoimmune attack, because there
are 'bugs' in the thyroid that they body is trying to kill - not the thyroid
itself.

Also he/she needs to asses other hormone status, particularly cortisol.  If
they have low cortisol, then thyroid would be high.

You can point her to some thyroid groups...  Tons of info here...
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/?yguid=352190340
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/?yguid=3
52190340
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thyroidless/?yguid=352190340

Hope this helps!
Gina

-Original Message-
From: Jean Baugh [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSGrave's disease

Hi,

A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease and there
were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid gland.  The
symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack.

Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help?

Thank you,

Jean


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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I thought the body couldn't assimilate soy.  Except for fermented or  
sprouted that is.  dee


On 21 Aug 2009, at 16:13, Indi wrote:

The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy  
and meat
industries, and their scapegoating of soy pretty much amounts to a  
disinformation
campaign. Look more deeply into their propaganda and you'll see they  
have little

regard for the truth.

Re: CSGrave's disease

[Indi]

That's why I posted those links, because there is a lot of that kind of
disinformation about soy being passed around. Of course there is also
pro-soy disinformation, propagated by companies like Monsanto who deal 
in GMOs. One has to do a lot of reading to uncover the truth, which is
(predictably) something in between the extremes. To capsulize: Soy is a
healthful addition to a proper diet, one shouldn't make it one's sole 
source of protein, beware of GMOs masquerading as health food.

BTW, raw soybeans (edamame) are a potent anti-carcinogen and in some 
parts of the eastern hemisphere (which enjoy a much smaller incidence of 
cancer and cardiovascular disease than we have here) unfermented soy is 
consumed in fairly large quantities. 

HTH,
-- 
indi



On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 06:31:43PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I thought the body couldn't assimilate soy.  Except for fermented or
sprouted that is.  dee
 
On 21 Aug 2009, at 16:13, Indi wrote:
 
The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy and
meat
industries, and their scapegoating of soy pretty much amounts to a
disinformation
campaign. Look more deeply into their propaganda and you'll see they
have little
regard for the truth.

-- 
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CSSoy

[Jean Baugh]

Hi,

Just a question here.  Isn't all soy GM (genetically modified), now?

If so, no thank you!

Jean


 
 The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy
 and meat
 industries, and their scapegoating of soy pretty much amounts to a
 disinformation
 campaign.  


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Re: CSSoy

[Indi]

No. But nearly everything you buy at your local supermarket is either GMO or
was fed GMOs. And even if it's non-GMO odds are it was sprayed with poison.
Support organic farmers if you really want to say no thank you to poisons
and GMOs.

-- 
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 01:00:45PM -0500, Jean Baugh wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Just a question here.  Isn't all soy GM (genetically modified), now?
 
 If so, no thank you!
 
 Jean
 
 
  
  The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy
  and meat
  industries, and their scapegoating of soy pretty much amounts to a
  disinformation
  campaign.  
 
 
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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Mind you, there are a lot of things those people consume (or don't  
consume) that we do; which can also contribute to this factor, not  
just soy.  dee


On 21 Aug 2009, at 18:59, Indi wrote:





BTW, raw soybeans (edamame) are a potent anti-carcinogen and in some
parts of the eastern hemisphere (which enjoy a much smaller  
incidence of
cancer and cardiovascular disease than we have here) unfermented soy  
is

consumed in fairly large quantities.

HTH,
--
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[RE]CSBrooks: About GSH need. COMMENT.

[Brooks Bradley]

While our GSH encapsulation/evaluation experiments were conducted, essentially, during the same time-frame as those involving vitamin CI have, as yet, made no comment to this list as to our specific procedures/results involving GSH.  However, GSH does demonstrate to be of primary importance concerning the issue of basic human health.  I will strive, in the near future, to make some judicious comments on our progress regarding GSH encapsulation using our basic, ultrasonic methodology.  In the meantime, common sense should serve as your guide in conducting your OWN experiments.  There is small chance you can (using basic ultrasonic energy drivers)that you can evoke any compromising circumstances or chemical modifications that would produce negative substances for human health.  At least, that has been our experience.
We HAVE NOT attempted to encapsulate GSH and Vitamin C as a comsposite mixture.
Red does demonstrate to be the most useful portion of the spectrumfor the type of high-energy light applications to which I have referred to in my recent posts.  Our best results have been achieved in the 660nm to 680nm range, but frequencies both above and slightly below should effect usefuleven if somewhat reduced results.  Note: The color of the unexcited BULB does not have to be RED, but the COLOR it emits when under power does. 
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
p.s.  I do feel constrained to inform list members of a Caution relating to temperatures of the liquid environment during excitation of "most" of the Ultrasonic type cleaners presently in useexcepting research applications.
To wit:  As most of the Ultrasonic energy generators (constructed with ceramic-based transducers), use materials composed, primarily of barium titanate..understand they are quite vulnerable to high temperatures [any thing over about 180 degrees F is a threat to destroy their piezoelectric ability).  Alternately, generators employing Lead Zirconate
Titanate have a much greater resistance to more elevated temperatures, 212 F and higher. Few piezoelectric devices available in the commercial market directed toward the "lay-person" publicare constructed of Lead Zirconate materials.  
   Some of the ultrasonic generators (the cheapest ones) utilize "magneto-strictive" transductors.  That is, they are, essentially, solenoid-type devices which respond to the rapidly changing current flows furnished by their power-system drivers.  Almost all, of either type system, employ frequencies around 38 kilohertz or slightly higher.  It is of some concern that the experimenter keep ALL electronic devices sensitive to high frequencies.at least FOUR feet away for an operating US generation system.  This includes ELECTRONIC WATCHES.   


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 Subject : CSBrooks: About GSH need.
 Date : Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:10:49 -0700
 From : Peter R reba...@pacbell.net
 To : silver-list@eskimo.com

Dear Brooks

The latest Livon booklet states that for full effect the addition of 
"Lipo-Spheric GSH" is required. (GSH = Glutathione Sulfhydryl)

Do You know if the GSH can be added to Vitamin C-lecithin  mixture  and 
mix then  at the  same time?

Or can they be produced by the same procedure?

When You refer To LED light in previous postings, is the color red?
Does any particular frequency is better?

Thank your many contribution.

Regards

Peter R


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Re: [RE]CSBrooks: About GSH need. COMMENT.

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Sorry for being dense, but what is GSH please?  dee
On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:15, Brooks Bradley wrote:

While our GSH encapsulation/evaluation experiments were conducted,  
essentially, during the same time-frame as those involving vitamin  
CI have, as yet, made no comment to this list as to our specific  
procedures/results involving GSH. However, GSH does demonstrate to  
be of primary importance concerning the issue of basic human health.  
I will strive, in the near future, to make some judicious comments  
on our progress regarding GSH encapsulation using our basic,  
ultrasonic methodology. In the meantime, common sense should serve  
as your guide in conducting your OWN experiments. There is small  
chance you can (using basic ultrasonic energy drivers)that you can  
evoke any compromising circumstances or chemical modifications that  
would produce negative substances for human health. At least, that  
has been our experience.
We HAVE NOT attempted to encapsulate GSH and Vitamin C as a  
comsposite mixture.
Red does demonstrate to be the most useful portion of the  
spectrumfor the type of high-energy light applications to which  
I have referred to in my recent posts. Our best results have been  
achieved in the 660nm to 680nm range, but frequencies both above and  
slightly below should effect usefuleven if somewhat reduced  
results. Note: The color of the unexcited BULB does not have to be  
RED, but the COLOR it emits when under power does.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
p.s. I do feel constrained to inform list members of a Caution  
relating to temperatures of the liquid environment during excitation  
of most of the Ultrasonic type cleaners presently in  
useexcepting research applications.
To wit: As most of the Ultrasonic energy generators (constructed  
with ceramic-based transducers), use materials composed, primarily  
of barium titanate..understand they are quite vulnerable to high  
temperatures [any thing over about 180 degrees F is a threat to  
destroy their piezoelectric ability). Alternately, generators  
employing Lead Zirconate
Titanate have a much greater resistance to more elevated  
temperatures, 212 F and higher. Few piezoelectric devices available  
in the commercial market directed toward the lay-person  
publicare constructed of Lead Zirconate materials.
Some of the ultrasonic generators (the cheapest ones) utilize  
magneto-strictive transductors. That is, they are, essentially,  
solenoid-type devices which respond to the rapidly changing current  
flows furnished by their power-system drivers. Almost all, of either  
type system, employ frequencies around 38 kilohertz or slightly  
higher. It is of some concern that the experimenter keep ALL  
electronic devices sensitive to high frequencies.at least FOUR  
feet away for an operating US generation system. This includes  
ELECTRONIC WATCHES.








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Subject : CSBrooks: About GSH need.

Date : Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:10:49 -0700

From : Peter R reba...@pacbell.net

To : silver-list@eskimo.com



Dear Brooks



The latest Livon booklet states that for full effect the addition of

Lipo-Spheric GSH is required. (GSH = Glutathione Sulfhydryl)



Do You know if the GSH can be added to Vitamin C-lecithin mixture and

mix then at the same time?



Or can they be produced by the same procedure?



When You refer To LED light in previous postings, is the color red?

Does any particular frequency is better?



Thank your many contribution.



Regards



Peter R





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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Indi]

That's true, and also correlation is not causation.
However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the Price
foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize, more
like out to debunk evangelists. :)

-- 
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 07:12:12PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Mind you, there are a lot of things those people consume (or don't
consume) that we do; which can also contribute to this factor, not just
soy.  dee
 
On 21 Aug 2009, at 18:59, Indi wrote:
 
BTW, raw soybeans (edamame) are a potent anti-carcinogen and in some
parts of the eastern hemisphere (which enjoy a much smaller incidence
of
cancer and cardiovascular disease than we have here) unfermented soy is
consumed in fairly large quantities.
HTH,
--
indi

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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I was wondering *why* the Price foundation would want to spread  
adverse propaganda about soy.  I cannot see that it would benefit them  
in any way because people who like meat etc., will never give it up  
for soy anyway.  It must cost a lot to gather and publish all this  
information and unless there was a huge monetary gain (which I can't  
see) it would make you wonder why they bothered.  Dr Mercola also says  
soy is not healthy in the unfermented or un-sprouted form, and I can't  
see that he would have an axe to grind, because *he* isn't involved in  
the meat industry.  On the other hand, I can see that they soy  
industry would be *very* interested in discrediting something like the  
Price foundation or Mercola for that matter, as they would have a lot  
to lose wouldn't they?   Anyway, as you say, it is good to have a look  
at all sides and then make an informed choice, based on your own  
conclusions.  dee

On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:29, Indi wrote:



That's true, and also correlation is not causation.
However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of  
the Price
foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to  
evangelize, more

like out to debunk evangelists. :)

--
indi

Re: Re: CSMy first batch of Liposomal vit-C

[Acmeair]

now that more than a few of us have made a batch of LET vita c, has anyone figured out what a single dose would amount to???
we have 1 1/2 C of LET, = 12 oz. = 340.19 grams. 1 tsp = 5 g. a quote from Mr. Bradley's material, "5-6 g of LET is more effective than 50 grams C, taken intraveneously. i'm trying to replicate dr. linus pauling/dr. mathis' theory using 3-18 g vita c. thanks for any thoughts or figures. jimAug 19, 2009 09:42:43 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:
Hello All,I missed Brook;s post on how to make the stuff. Will someone please direct me?Jim 
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Sandy Hollis hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote:




Hello Everyone...Today I bought everything I needed to make my Liposomal Vit-C. My ultrasonic cleaner was on sale so that was a plus...$24.95. I put everything together just like Brooks said and it all turned out the way he said would...so I took my first dose...the taste was not bad at all. I also bought some d-ribose powder and plan to make that into a liposomal concoction. I cannot wait to feel the results.
Best regards...SandyLive and let live...



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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Indi]

I guess you haven't read the links I posted.
The Price foundation is largely funded by dairy and meat farmers.
Obvious what they would have to gain. :)
Mercola I haven't looked into, but the idea that soy has to be fermented is
simply in error. People are fallible, so I see nothing sinister in that.
BTW probably three fourths of the nutrition advice I see is full of errors and
misconceptions, but most of it isn't coming from any evil conspiracy (as far as
I know, anyway).

A united soy industry per se doesn't really exist, though Monsanto and 
other large corporations who peddle GMOs (including soy-based GMOs) do have 
quite a stake in seeing *their* soy products incorporated into as many foods 
as possible. But don't throw out the baby with the bath water. 

There are high-powered special interests on both sides of the issue,
and they do not have *our* best interests in mind.
However, I am not affiliated with nor do I endorse any of them.
Hence, my previous advice Beware of GMOs masquerading as health food, 
don't use soy (or anything else) as your sole source of protein, etc.

-- 
indi




On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 08:13:43PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I was wondering *why* the Price foundation would want to spread adverse
propaganda about soy.  I cannot see that it would benefit them in any
way because people who like meat etc., will never give it up for soy
anyway.  It must cost a lot to gather and publish all this information
and unless there was a huge monetary gain (which I can't see) it would
make you wonder why they bothered.  Dr Mercola also says soy is not
healthy in the unfermented or un-sprouted form, and I can't see that he
would have an axe to grind, because *he* isn't involved in the meat
industry.
On the other hand, I can see that they soy industry would be *very* int
erested in discrediting something like the Price foundation or Mercola
for that matter, as they would have a lot to lose wouldn't they?   Anyw
ay, as you say, it is good to have a look at all sides and then make an
 informed choice, based on your own conclusions.  dee
 
On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:29, Indi wrote:
 
That's true, and also correlation is not causation.
However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the
Price
foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize,
more
like out to debunk evangelists. :)
--
indi

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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Del]

The idea that the Weston Price foundation is a shill for the dairy and meat 
industries is nonsense.
The Price foundation only advocates organic raw milk and grass fed beef, in 
addition to a diet rich in fruit and vegetables.
This, of course, makes them the enemy of the commercial beef and milk 
industries.
The Price foundation's primary emphasis is on avoiding grains and sugar and 
refined foods in general.  
Dr. Weston Price traveled the world to find the healthiest people, and his 
findings indicated that those who followed a traditional diet were the 
healthiest.  This mainly included people who subsisted on locally raised meat, 
dairy, and vegetables.  
He also found that these same people, when exposed to a modern diet of fast 
foods, processed foods, and grains, rapidly experienced many of the same health 
problems as are rampant in our western society.
Speaking of evangelists, the soy industry is guilty of extensive misleading 
propaganda claiming that soy is a miracle health food.  
One of the big problems with soy is its high estrogen content, which is very 
bad for growing children, both male and female.  
If you want to know what the Weston Price foundation thinks of soy, I suggest 
you visit their site and read what they have to say.  The literature is 
extensive and most of it is backed by solid scientific fact.  I, for one, find 
it quite convincing.  

http://www.westonaprice.org/

Del


  - Original Message - 
  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:13 PM
  Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease


  I was wondering *why* the Price foundation would want to spread adverse 
propaganda about soy.  I cannot see that it would benefit them in any way 
because people who like meat etc., will never give it up for soy anyway.  It 
must cost a lot to gather and publish all this information and unless there was 
a huge monetary gain (which I can't see) it would make you wonder why they 
bothered.  Dr Mercola also says soy is not healthy in the unfermented or 
un-sprouted form, and I can't see that he would have an axe to grind, because 
*he* isn't involved in the meat industry.  On the other hand, I can see that 
they soy industry would be *very* interested in discrediting something like the 
Price foundation or Mercola for that matter, as they would have a lot to lose 
wouldn't they?   Anyway, as you say, it is good to have a look at all sides and 
then make an informed choice, based on your own conclusions.  dee

  On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:29, Indi wrote:



That's true, and also correlation is not causation.
However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the Price
foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize, more
like out to debunk evangelists. :)

-- 
indi

Re: CSGrave's disease

[Indi]

You should read the links I posted.
And just so you know, organic raw milk and grass fed beef are still dairy
and meat. The Price foundation's emphasis, clearly seen on their website, is
anti-soy, anti-vegetarian, pro-dairy, pro-meat. Any other characterization of
them is simply dishonest. And that is the the very last thing I'm going to
say about it. Anyone who has any sense can see the truth easily enough.

-- 
indi


On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:23:58PM -0400, Del wrote:
The idea that the Weston Price foundation is a shill for the dairy and
meat industries is nonsense.
 
The Price foundation only advocates organic raw milk and grass fed
beef, in addition to a diet rich in fruit and vegetables.
 
This, of course, makes them the enemy of the commercial beef and milk
industries.
 
The Price foundation's primary emphasis is on avoiding grains and sugar
and refined foods in general.
 
Dr. Weston Price traveled the world to find the healthiest people, and
his findings indicated that those who followed a traditional diet
were the healthiest.  This mainly included people who subsisted on
locally raised meat, dairy, and vegetables.
 
He also found that these same people, when exposed to a modern diet
of fast foods, processed foods, and grains, rapidly experienced many of
the same health problems as are rampant in our western society.
 
Speaking of evangelists, the soy industry is guilty of extensive
misleading propaganda claiming that soy is a miracle health food.
 
One of the big problems with soy is its high estrogen content, which is
very bad for growing children, both male and female.
 
If you want to know what the Weston Price foundation thinks of soy, I
suggest you visit their site and read what they have to say.  The
literature is extensive and most of it is backed by solid scientific
fact.  I, for one, find it quite convincing.
 
 
 
[1]http://www.westonaprice.org/
 
 
 
Del
 
 
 
 
 
- Original Message -
 
From: [2]Dorothy Fitzpatrick
 
To: [3]silver-l...@eskimo.com
 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:13 PM
 
Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease
 
  I was wondering *why* the Price foundation would want to spread
  adverse propaganda about soy.  I cannot see that it would benefit
  them in any way because people who like meat etc., will never give
  it up for soy anyway.  It must cost a lot to gather and publish all
  this information and unless there was a huge monetary gain (which I
  can't see) it would make you wonder why they bothered.  Dr Mercola
  also says soy is not healthy in the unfermented or un-sprouted form,
  and I can't see that he would have an axe to grind, because *he*
  isn't involved in the meat industry.
  On the other hand, I can see that they soy industry would be *very*
  interested in discrediting something like the Price foundation or Me
  rcola for that matter, as they would have a lot to lose wouldn't the
  y?   Anyway, as you say, it is good to have a look at all sides and
  then make an informed choice, based on your own conclusions.  dee
 
On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:29, Indi wrote:
 
That's true, and also correlation is not causation.
However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the
Price
foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize,
more
like out to debunk evangelists. :)
--
indi
 
 References
 
1. http://www.westonaprice.org/
2. mailto:d...@deetroy.org
3. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com

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Re: Re: CSMy first batch of Liposomal vit-C

[Del at Dri-Wash]

So, if we have 1 gram of vitamin C in each oz. of Liposomal and we just use 
Brooks 10 times efficiency # it would seem one oz. of Liposomal would be 
equivalent to 10 grams I.V. or 5 oz. of Liposomal would be as effective as 50 
grams of I.V.Sounds too good to be true but that's how my small mind sees 
it..

Del (the other del)   Who also thinks Weston Price is a great source for good 
information. :-)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Acmeair 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:59 PM
  Subject: Re: Re: CSMy first batch of Liposomal vit-C


  now that more than a few of us have made a batch of LET vita c, has anyone 
figured out what a single dose would amount to???
  we have 1 1/2 C of LET, = 12 oz. = 340.19 grams.  1 tsp = 5 g.   a quote from 
Mr. Bradley's material, 5-6 g of LET is more effective than 50 grams C,  taken 
intraveneously.  i'm trying to replicate dr. linus pauling/dr. mathis' theory 
using 3-18 g vita c.  thanks for any thoughts or figures.   jim

  Aug 19, 2009 09:42:43 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:

Hello All,

I missed Brook;s post on how to make the stuff.  Will someone please direct 
me?

Jim 


On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Sandy Hollis hollis302...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

Hello Everyone...

Today I bought everything I needed to make my Liposomal Vit-C. My 
ultrasonic cleaner was on sale so that was a plus...$24.95. I put everything 
together just like Brooks said and it all turned out the way he said would...so 
I took my first dose...the taste was not bad at all. I also bought some 
d-ribose powder and plan to make that into a liposomal concoction. I cannot 
wait to feel the results.


Best regards...

Sandy

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CSGrave's disease

[Jean Baugh]

Hi,

Thank you to everyone for their information on Grave's disease.  It has been
passed on to the person who has this.

Great list, great people!

Thank you,

Jean


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Re: CSGrave's disease

[cking001]

AHA! The crux of the rant---anti-vegetarian...

Case closed .

Chuck
Never eat prunes when you're famished.

On 8/21/2009 5:08:23 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote:
 You should read the links I posted.
 And just so you know, organic raw milk and grass fed beef are still
 dairy
 and meat. The Price
 foundation's emphasis, clearly seen on their website, is
 anti-soy, anti-vegetarian, pro-dairy, pro-meat. Any other characterization of
 them is simply dishonest. And that is the the very last thing I'm
 going to
 say about it. Anyone who has any sense can see the truth easily enough.
 
 --
 indi
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:23:58PM -0400, Del wrote:
 The idea that the Weston Price foundation is
 a shill for the dairy and
 meat industries is nonsense.
 
 The Price foundation only advocates organic raw milk and grass fed
 beef, in addition to a diet rich in fruit and vegetables.
 
 This, of course, makes them the enemy of the commercial beef and
 milk
 industries.
 
 The Price
 foundation's primary emphasis is on avoiding grains and sugar
 and refined foods in general.
 
 Dr. Weston Price traveled the world to find the healthiest people, and
 his findings indicated that those who followed a traditional diet
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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Indi]

I see you found an easy substitute for reason.
Good luck with that... 

-- 
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 05:52:25PM -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 AHA! The crux of the rant---anti-vegetarian...
 
 Case closed .
 
   Chuck
 Never eat prunes when you're famished.
 
 On 8/21/2009 5:08:23 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote:
  You should read the links I posted.
  And just so you know, organic raw milk and grass fed beef are still
  dairy
  and meat. The Price
  foundation's emphasis, clearly seen on their website, is
  anti-soy, anti-vegetarian, pro-dairy, pro-meat. Any other characterization 
  of
  them is simply dishonest. And that is the the very last thing I'm
  going to
  say about it. Anyone who has any sense can see the truth easily enough.
  
  --
  indi
  
  
  On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:23:58PM -0400, Del wrote:
  The idea that the Weston Price foundation is
  a shill for the dairy and
  meat industries is nonsense.
  
  The Price foundation only advocates organic raw milk and grass fed
  beef, in addition to a diet rich in fruit and vegetables.
  
  This, of course, makes them the enemy of the commercial beef and
  milk
  industries.
  
  The Price
  foundation's primary emphasis is on avoiding grains and sugar
  and refined foods in general.
  
  Dr. Weston Price traveled the world to find the healthiest people, and
  his findings indicated that those who followed a traditional diet
 
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CSOT: new email

[B.Trig]

I needed to update my email setup, so inspired by certain 
people's portrayal of me I have selected this as my new 
email addy. Dig the new and improved sig!

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Re: CSOT: new email

[Smitty]

 I have selected this as my new
  email addy. Dig the new and improved sig!

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##
Here's one somebody can use =

__
/l ,[],
l-L -OlllO-
()_)-()_)--)_)   beep, beep. . . .


Smitty


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Re: CSOT: new email

[B.Trig]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:43:55PM -1000, Smitty wrote:
  I have selected this as my new
   email addy. Dig the new and improved sig!
 
   --
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 \   /
^
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 ##
 Here's one somebody can use =
 
 __
 /l ,[],
 l-L -OlllO-
 ()_)-()_)--)_)   beep, beep. . . .
 
 
 Smitty


Hey, that's cute. I didn't think anyone else here did ascii art.
:)

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Re: CSOT: new email

[Smitty]

   ##

 Hey, that's cute. I didn't think anyone else here did ascii art.
 B.Trig

I'm not that clever. . .someone sent it to me.

Smitty


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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Dave Darrin]

So what is your point!!!
The things you just named are also known as FOOD.
We are not all vegan.
Dave

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote:

 You should read the links I posted.
 And just so you know, organic raw milk and grass fed beef are still dairy
 and meat. The Price foundation's emphasis, clearly seen on their website,
 is
 anti-soy, anti-vegetarian, pro-dairy, pro-meat. Any other characterization
 of
 them is simply dishonest. And that is the the very last thing I'm going to
 say about it. Anyone who has any sense can see the truth easily enough.

 --
 indi


 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:23:58PM -0400, Del wrote:
 The idea that the Weston Price foundation is a shill for the dairy
 and
 meat industries is nonsense.
 
 The Price foundation only advocates organic raw milk and grass fed
 beef, in addition to a diet rich in fruit and vegetables.
 
 This, of course, makes them the enemy of the commercial beef and milk
 industries.
 
 The Price foundation's primary emphasis is on avoiding grains and
 sugar
 and refined foods in general.
 
 Dr. Weston Price traveled the world to find the healthiest people, and
 his findings indicated that those who followed a traditional diet
 were the healthiest.  This mainly included people who subsisted on
 locally raised meat, dairy, and vegetables.
 
 He also found that these same people, when exposed to a modern diet
 of fast foods, processed foods, and grains, rapidly experienced many
 of
 the same health problems as are rampant in our western society.
 
 Speaking of evangelists, the soy industry is guilty of extensive
 misleading propaganda claiming that soy is a miracle health food.
 
 One of the big problems with soy is its high estrogen content, which
 is
 very bad for growing children, both male and female.
 
 If you want to know what the Weston Price foundation thinks of soy, I
 suggest you visit their site and read what they have to say.  The
 literature is extensive and most of it is backed by solid scientific
 fact.  I, for one, find it quite convincing.
 
 
 
 [1]http://www.westonaprice.org/
 
 
 
 Del
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: [2]Dorothy Fitzpatrick
 
 To: [3]silver-l...@eskimo.com
 
 Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:13 PM
 
 Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease
 
   I was wondering *why* the Price foundation would want to spread
   adverse propaganda about soy.  I cannot see that it would benefit
   them in any way because people who like meat etc., will never give
   it up for soy anyway.  It must cost a lot to gather and publish all
   this information and unless there was a huge monetary gain (which I
   can't see) it would make you wonder why they bothered.  Dr Mercola
   also says soy is not healthy in the unfermented or un-sprouted form,
   and I can't see that he would have an axe to grind, because *he*
   isn't involved in the meat industry.
   On the other hand, I can see that they soy industry would be *very*
   interested in discrediting something like the Price foundation or Me
   rcola for that matter, as they would have a lot to lose wouldn't the
   y?   Anyway, as you say, it is good to have a look at all sides and
   then make an informed choice, based on your own conclusions.  dee
 
 On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:29, Indi wrote:
 
 That's true, and also correlation is not causation.
 However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the
 Price
 foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize,
 more
 like out to debunk evangelists. :)
 --
 indi
 
  References
 
 1. http://www.westonaprice.org/
 2. mailto:d...@deetroy.org
 3. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com

 --
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CSOT: FoodInc. movie

[Laurie Valente]

This is off topic, but I have seen a post on GMO foods and the supermarket. 

Has anyone on the list caught the movie called  Foodinc?It's for certain 
eye opener.

Laurie

Re: CSGrave's disease

[B.Trig]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:18:53PM -0700, Dave Darrin wrote:
So what is your point!!!
The things you just named are also known as FOOD.
We are not all vegan.
Dave


My point was already made quite clearly.
HINT: It was not about vegetarianism vs meat eating, and trying to 
spin it that way is a disingenuous maneuver. 

HTH, HAND!
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Re: CSOT: new email

[B.Trig]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:54:09PM -1000, Smitty wrote:
##
 
  Hey, that's cute. I didn't think anyone else here did ascii art.
  B.Trig
 
 I'm not that clever. . .someone sent it to me.
 
 Smitty
 

Well someone may have sent it to you, but you are certainly clever enough
from what I've read, Smitty. :)

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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Dave Darrin]

It looked that way to me.
I didn't know anything about Weston A Price when I cautioned about Soy. I
found my information elsewhere.
You might Google Dr. Wong and see what he says about the poison seed.
Everything has it's place and as a motor fuel Soy is OK.
Just as Canola oil (rape seed) is Ok as a penetrating oil on rusted bolts
AKA liquid Wrench.
Dave





On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, B.Trig thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:18:53PM -0700, Dave Darrin wrote:
 So what is your point!!!
 The things you just named are also known as FOOD.
 We are not all vegan.
 Dave
 

 My point was already made quite clearly.
 HINT: It was not about vegetarianism vs meat eating, and trying to
 spin it that way is a disingenuous maneuver.

 HTH, HAND!
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Re: CSOT: new email

[Smitty]

 Well someone may have sent it to you, but you are certainly clever enough
  from what I've read, Smitty. :)


thanks. . .


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Re: CSGrave's disease

[B.Trig]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 05:05:38PM -0700, Dave Darrin wrote:
It looked that way to me.
I didn't know anything about Weston A Price when I cautioned about Soy.
I found my information elsewhere.
You might Google Dr. Wong and see what he says about the poison seed.
Everything has it's place and as a motor fuel Soy is OK.
Just as Canola oil (rape seed) is Ok as a penetrating oil on rusted
bolts AKA liquid Wrench.
Dave


Well, several indigenous cultures have tested soy for us for centuries, 
and the verdict appears to be that it is quite a beneficial food.
It's a shame though that Monsanto and others have used it as the basis for
GMOs and then pushed those GMOs so heavily. Certainly has fueled a lot of
misunderstanding and poorly thought out criticism against soy in general...
I know very little about canola oil honestly. I prefer olive oil, coconut
oil, and butter. No, I'm not a vegan -- I'm a lacto vegetarian. It's my
understanding that we do need some animal fat in the diet, though not much. 
I think cruelty-free dairy is just fine. (Just for the record, so when people 
ad hominem me next time they can do it correctly, LOL).

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Re: CSOT: FoodInc. movie

[Smitty]

For those interested, there's some coverage here =
http://tinyurl.com/n52x8d

Smitty

 This is off topic, but I have seen a post on GMO foods and the supermarket.

 Has anyone on the list caught the movie called  Foodinc?It's for certain
 eye opener.


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CSCS Lyme test

[Joseph Metz]

The various blood tests, Western Blot, etc., are not accurate because  
the Llyme bacteria doesn't stay in the blood for long, too easy for  
the imunne system to attack it. The Stricker panel CD 57 tests well  
for chronic lyme but isn't accepted by mainstream medical because  
Raphael Stricker didn't use a control group when he developed it.




Smitty wrote:

After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish  
granted.com and




 it



took me three days to rid myself of Lyme.




Did you have a test to determine if you were rid of Lyme ?



Do they even have a test that will tell you with any accuracy.   
When I had Lyme the tests were over 50% unreliable.  False  
positives AND negatives.  They were a total waste of money.


Marshall


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CSRE: Making first batch

[Joseph Metz]

Hi Joy,

First off, forgive this list for ignoring your question. I expected  
someone more knowledgeable than myself to respond as I consider  
myself a newbie too. Hopefully someone answered your questions off  
list. This is a wonderful list but newbies do get ignored sometimes.  
A little baffling when a newbie doesn't get answered about basic CS.


To answer your questions, No I probably would not drink it.  No, I  
have never seen bubbles in mine. If you have external uses, foot  
bath, cuts, rashes fungus, etc., use it for that. Or maybe let it  
settle  decant whatever sinks.


Here's some questions for you. What do you mean by generator?  Hows  
your cs maker built? Is it DC? Direct current? Do you know the  
voltage? If its a plug in transformer, like from radio shack, it'll  
say a number followed by the letter V. Are you using batteries? If  
you connect them end to end, like in a flashlight, you add the  
voltages together.


Mine is a dc wall transformer, it runs 12v for 30-60 minutes, then I  
turn it over to reverse the polarity for another bit of time.


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From: j.sherri beitharm...@gmail.com
Date: August 21, 2009 2:05:25 AM PDT
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMaking first batch - Couple of questions?





Hi,

I put up a bare bones generator and both rods are black one with  
barnacles. Not seeing any activity such as bubbles. It's been an  
hour. How long does it take for the tiny bubbles to start? Is that  
a perquisite even?


Thanks so much,
Joy

Re: CSRE: Making first batch

[B.Trig]

Hi Joy,

I never saw that question the first time, not sure why that is...
But Joseph is right, a description of your generator setup might help.
Your electrodes should definitely not be black, especially not within 
an hour. Are you sure you're working with silver of at least .999 purity
(i.e., 99.9% pure silver)? Also, a lot of us use those green scrubby pads 
to clean the silver electrodes. Maybe you had some sort of residue on there?
As for the barnacles well, I do hope you're not using sea water!
;)

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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 07:41:38PM -0700, Joseph Metz wrote:
Hi Joy,
 
First off, forgive this list for ignoring your question. I expected
someone moreknowledgeable than myself to respond as I consider myself a
newbie too. Hopefully someone answered your questions off list. This is
a wonderful list but newbies do get ignored sometimes. A littlebaffling
when a newbie doesn't get answered about basic CS.
 
To answer your questions, No I probably would not drink it.  No, I
have never seen bubbles in mine. If you have external uses, foot bath,
cuts, rashes fungus, etc., use it for that. Or maybe let it settle 
decant whatever sinks.
 
Here's some questions for you. What do you mean by generator? Hows
your cs maker built? Is it DC? Direct current? Do you know the voltage?
If its a plug in transformer, like from radio shack, it'll say a number
followed by the letter V. Are you using batteries? If you connect
them end to end, like in a flashlight, you add the voltages together.
 
Mine is a dc wall transformer, it runs 12v for 30-60 minutes, then I
turn it over to reverse the polarity for another bit of time.
 
Was this helpful?
 
From: j.sherri [1]beitharm...@gmail.com
 
Date: August 21, 2009 2:05:25 AM PDT
 
To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com
 
Subject: CSMaking first batch - Couple of questions?
 
Hi,
 
I put up a bare bones generator and both rods are black one with
barnacles. Not seeing any activity such as bubbles. It's been an hour.
How long does it take for the tiny bubbles to start? Is that a
perquisite even?
 
Thanks so much,
 
Joy
 
 References
 
1. mailto:beitharm...@gmail.com
2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com


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