Re: CS>making own turpentine? Canada

[Tony Moody]

Thanks Rowena and Elan,

Haven't been to Canada. Yet :-)   There was a small industry nearby here
doing distillation of various local "weeds" for essential oils. I'll try
to follow where the equipment went. But right now I'm fully involved in
moving house ... and must not be distracted.

I have further followed up our Genuine Turpentine available here in South
Africa. It is available at some hardware stores. I must have bought mine
in Cape Town a few years ago; for wood finishing.  The distributors seem
to be reluctant to ship or mail because it is dangerous. Hmm I have H2)2
in a 500ml glass bottle which is inside a strong plastic can with a screw
on lid ( sort of like a plastic Ball jar) made for shipping and storing
dangerous chemicals.

That is amazing. :-)) one phone call and have found the still, it is
operational, AND in our village  Hee. .

Gotta go,
Tony

On 11 Sep 2010 at 13:29, Rowena wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>making own turpentine? Canad

>
> http://naturessence.qc.ca/essential_oil/distillation.php
> Perhaps the above page would be of some help.
> If you fancy a trip to Canada you could even attend one of their courses.
> Rowena
>
> On 11/09/2010 2:30 AM, Tony Moody wrote:
>
> Hi Lisa,
>
> Please keep me in the info loop about how to make your own turpentine.
> I will be very interested if you get some written instructions and how
> to's. It should be easy enough.
>
> You could start here. http://portalheritagesociety.org/welcome.html
>  they are having a meeting on Monday.
>
> OK,
> Tony
>
>
> On 10 Sep 2010 at 12:23, Lisa wrote about :
> Subject : RE: CS>help needed
>
>
>
> Has anybody hear made their own turpentine? We've got tons of white
> pines and limbs breaking off and trees coming down etc., it wouldn't
> be that hard to do something with them. Just wondering how involved
> the process can be...anybody?!?!
>
> Lisa
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 7:40 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>help needed
>
>
>
>"Black Salve" has a good reputation.
> Somehow, I have this idea that smearing fresh pine sap on the spot
> would do the same thing.
>   White pine is common in Canada and very sappy, if I recall...loaded
>   with
>
> Turpentine and pitch tar, desiccates, seals and "draws".
> Here, I would try Loblolly yellow pine.
>
> http://www.blacksalve.info/
> Ingredients and Sizes:
> The ingredients in the Black Salve are as follows: Sheep Sorrel, Red
> Clover, [yard weeds] Bloodroot, [grows in pine forests] Pau D' Arco,
> Graviola, Galangal, Zinc Chloride, **Pine Tar**, Emulsifying Wax,
> DMSO, Wintergreen Oil, Stearic Acid, Polysorbate 20, Glycerin, Olive
> Oil, Charcoal and Purified Water.
>
>
> These products are manufactured by a Canadian company that meets all
> the Health Canada Standards and the Food and Drug Administration's
> Good Manufacturing Practices.
>
>
> ode
>
>
>
> At 12:53 PM 9/9/2010 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
> 
> I live in Ontario, Canada.
>
> For years I would deal with doctors but after losing three family
> members to what I feel was errors by doctors, I have been trying to
> deal with things naturally.  The people I know think I am nuts not
> getting medications, etc.
>
> Since dealing with things in a more natural way it is difficult
> because I don't have a support system or those with knowledge.   I've
> tried some naturalpaths but they created more problems for me.
>
> Can you make some suggestions or give me names of some of these
> creams?
>
> I want my mind to be an ally but I have to admit, I'm scared.  What
> suggestions can you make to help me to get to that place to have an
> ally.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: needling around
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>help needed
>
> Where do you live?  If in the southwest you are lucky as they are used
> to dealing with skin cancers.  Also there are a number of cancer
> salves that deal with this that are supposed to be very helpful.
> Others may know of names and have experiences.
>
> Remember you mind can be your ally or your enemy.  Please use it as an
>
>
> ally.
>
>
> PT
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>making own turpentine? Canada

[Rowena]

 http://naturessence.qc.ca/essential_oil/distillation.php
Perhaps the above page would be of some help.
If you fancy a trip to Canada you could even attend one of their courses.
Rowena

On 11/09/2010 2:30 AM, Tony Moody wrote:

Hi Lisa,

Please keep me in the info loop about how to make your own turpentine. I
will be very interested if you get some written instructions and how
to's. It should be easy enough.

You could start here. http://portalheritagesociety.org/welcome.html
  they are having a meeting on Monday.

OK,
Tony


On 10 Sep 2010 at 12:23, Lisa wrote about :
Subject : RE: CS>help needed


Has anybody hear made their own turpentine? We've got tons of white pines
and limbs breaking off and trees coming down etc., it wouldn't be that
hard to do something with them. Just wondering how involved the process
can be...anybody?!?!

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 7:40 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>help needed



"Black Salve" has a good reputation.
Somehow, I have this idea that smearing fresh pine sap on the spot would
do the same thing.
   White pine is common in Canada and very sappy, if I recall...loaded with

Turpentine and pitch tar, desiccates, seals and "draws".
Here, I would try Loblolly yellow pine.

http://www.blacksalve.info/
Ingredients and Sizes:
The ingredients in the Black Salve are as follows: Sheep Sorrel, Red
Clover, [yard weeds] Bloodroot, [grows in pine forests] Pau D' Arco,
Graviola, Galangal, Zinc Chloride, **Pine Tar**, Emulsifying Wax, DMSO,
Wintergreen Oil, Stearic Acid, Polysorbate 20, Glycerin, Olive Oil,
Charcoal and Purified Water.


These products are manufactured by a Canadian company that meets all the
Health Canada Standards and the Food and Drug Administration's Good
Manufacturing Practices.


ode



At 12:53 PM 9/9/2010 -0400, you wrote:


I live in Ontario, Canada.

For years I would deal with doctors but after losing three family members
to what I feel was errors by doctors, I have been trying to deal with
things naturally.  The people I know think I am nuts not getting
medications, etc.

Since dealing with things in a more natural way it is difficult because I
don't have a support system or those with knowledge.   I've tried some
naturalpaths but they created more problems for me.

Can you make some suggestions or give me names of some of these creams?

I want my mind to be an ally but I have to admit, I'm scared.  What
suggestions can you make to help me to get to that place to have an ally.



- Original Message -
From:needling around
To:silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>help needed

Where do you live?  If in the southwest you are lucky as they are used
to dealing with skin cancers.  Also there are a number of cancer salves
that deal with this that are supposed to be very helpful.  Others may
know of names and have experiences.

Remember you mind can be your ally or your enemy.  Please use it as an

ally.

PT


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Re: CS>help needed

[Bruce Anderson]

 Hi Rusty:
I have used the sponges and also TENS unit pads.  The TENS pads worked 
best, for me, in areas close to the eye. _Remember!! you do NOT want 
current through the eyeball_.  The wire might work well at controlling 
the current path and if it were silver that would be even better.

Wishing you the best:
Bruce

On 9/10/2010 11:14 PM, needling around wrote:

Hi Bruce,
When you use a baby godzilla for something like this what do you do, 
exactly?  Do you use the sponges or do you use bare wire and just 
touch all around the lesion?

Thanks.
PT

- Original Message -
*From:* Bruce Anderson 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 11:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>help needed

Hi Rusty:
I've had several on my face and head.  Some were frozen and some
cut out, even then some came back.
I used a 6volt baby godzilla device and EIS (colloidal silver) on
them and "fired" the Doctor.  Some of mine, they said, were  "the
bad kind", but my treatment worked on all of them.  And it worked
without the scars.
Bruce A.


On 9/9/2010 12:23 PM, Rusty wrote:

I have had a sore beside my eye that wouldn't heal.  I put it
down to being stressed and as it dried, I would pick at it and
start the process all over again.  Also it would get a scab and
either the pillowcase or the wash cloth would catch it.
I finally got through my cataract operation and felt I better get
it checked out...I was sent to a dermatologist and she walked in
the room, looked at it and said "you have cancer" and pointed to
a picture of four kinds on the wall and said but you have the
"good one"   I just about fell off the chair.
I was expecting some kind of ointment to heal it up...not being
told "cancer" so I think I may have been in some shock.
I'm told I will have to go to a surgeon and have it cut out.
Has any one ever deal with cancer on the skin?   Can it be
cleared up naturally?
Rusty

Re: CS>help needed

[needling around]

Hi Bruce,
When you use a baby godzilla for something like this what do you do, exactly?  
Do you use the sponges or do you use bare wire and just touch all around the 
lesion?
Thanks.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bruce Anderson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:04 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>help needed


  Hi Rusty:
  I've had several on my face and head.  Some were frozen and some cut out, 
even then some came back.
  I used a 6volt baby godzilla device and EIS (colloidal silver) on them and 
"fired" the Doctor.  Some of mine, they said, were  "the bad kind", but my 
treatment worked on all of them.  And it worked without the scars.
  Bruce A.


  On 9/9/2010 12:23 PM, Rusty wrote: 
I have had a sore beside my eye that wouldn't heal.  I put it down to being 
stressed and as it dried, I would pick at it and start the process all over 
again.  Also it would get a scab and either the pillowcase or the wash cloth 
would catch it.

I finally got through my cataract operation and felt I better get it 
checked out...I was sent to a dermatologist and she walked in the room, looked 
at it and said "you have cancer" and pointed to a picture of four kinds on the 
wall and said but you have the "good one"   I just about fell off the chair.

I was expecting some kind of ointment to heal it up...not being told 
"cancer" so I think I may have been in some shock.

I'm told I will have to go to a surgeon and have it cut out.

Has any one ever deal with cancer on the skin?   Can it be cleared up 
naturally?

Rusty

Re: CS>help needed

[Bruce Anderson]

 Hi Rusty:
I've had several on my face and head.  Some were frozen and some cut 
out, even then some came back.
I used a 6volt baby godzilla device and EIS (colloidal silver) on them 
and "fired" the Doctor.  Some of mine, they said, were  "the bad kind", 
but my treatment worked on all of them.  And it worked without the scars.

Bruce A.


On 9/9/2010 12:23 PM, Rusty wrote:
I have had a sore beside my eye that wouldn't heal.  I put it down to 
being stressed and as it dried, I would pick at it and start the 
process all over again.  Also it would get a scab and either the 
pillowcase or the wash cloth would catch it.
I finally got through my cataract operation and felt I better get it 
checked out...I was sent to a dermatologist and she walked in the 
room, looked at it and said "you have cancer" and pointed to a picture 
of four kinds on the wall and said but you have the "good one"   I 
just about fell off the chair.
I was expecting some kind of ointment to heal it up...not being told 
"cancer" so I think I may have been in some shock.

I'm told I will have to go to a surgeon and have it cut out.
Has any one ever deal with cancer on the skin?   Can it be cleared up 
naturally?

Rusty

CS>making own turpentine?

[Tony Moody]

Hi Lisa,

Please keep me in the info loop about how to make your own turpentine. I
will be very interested if you get some written instructions and how
to's. It should be easy enough.

You could start here. http://portalheritagesociety.org/welcome.html
 they are having a meeting on Monday.

OK,
Tony


On 10 Sep 2010 at 12:23, Lisa wrote about :
Subject : RE: CS>help needed

> Has anybody hear made their own turpentine? We've got tons of white pines
> and limbs breaking off and trees coming down etc., it wouldn't be that
> hard to do something with them. Just wondering how involved the process
> can be...anybody?!?!
>
> Lisa
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 7:40 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>help needed
>
>
>
>"Black Salve" has a good reputation.
> Somehow, I have this idea that smearing fresh pine sap on the spot would
> do the same thing.
>   White pine is common in Canada and very sappy, if I recall...loaded with
>
> Turpentine and pitch tar, desiccates, seals and "draws".
> Here, I would try Loblolly yellow pine.
>
> http://www.blacksalve.info/
> Ingredients and Sizes:
> The ingredients in the Black Salve are as follows: Sheep Sorrel, Red
> Clover, [yard weeds] Bloodroot, [grows in pine forests] Pau D' Arco,
> Graviola, Galangal, Zinc Chloride, **Pine Tar**, Emulsifying Wax, DMSO,
> Wintergreen Oil, Stearic Acid, Polysorbate 20, Glycerin, Olive Oil,
> Charcoal and Purified Water.
>
>
> These products are manufactured by a Canadian company that meets all the
> Health Canada Standards and the Food and Drug Administration's Good
> Manufacturing Practices.
>
>
> ode
>
>
>
> At 12:53 PM 9/9/2010 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >I live in Ontario, Canada.
> >
> >For years I would deal with doctors but after losing three family members
> > to what I feel was errors by doctors, I have been trying to deal with
> >things naturally.  The people I know think I am nuts not getting
> >medications, etc.
> >
> >Since dealing with things in a more natural way it is difficult because I
> > don't have a support system or those with knowledge.   I've tried some
> >naturalpaths but they created more problems for me.
> >
> >Can you make some suggestions or give me names of some of these creams?
> >
> >I want my mind to be an ally but I have to admit, I'm scared.  What
> >suggestions can you make to help me to get to that place to have an ally.
> >
> >
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: needling around
> >>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >>Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:37 PM
> >>Subject: Re: CS>help needed
> >>
> >>Where do you live?  If in the southwest you are lucky as they are used
> >>to dealing with skin cancers.  Also there are a number of cancer salves
> >>that deal with this that are supposed to be very helpful.  Others may
> >>know of names and have experiences.
> >>
> >>Remember you mind can be your ally or your enemy.  Please use it as an
> ally.
> >>PT
> >>>
>
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Re: CS>help needed

[Marshall Dudley]

It is a 2 step process.

1. Get the pine resin out of the trees
2. distill the resin into turpentine and pine tar

See http://www.wikihow.com/Tap-a-Pine-Tree

Marshall

Lisa wrote:

Has anybody hear made their own turpentine? We've got tons of white pines
and limbs breaking off and trees coming down etc., it wouldn't be that hard
to do something with them. Just wondering how involved the process can
be...anybody?!?!

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 7:40 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>help needed



   "Black Salve" has a good reputation.
Somehow, I have this idea that smearing fresh pine sap on the spot would do 
the same thing.
  White pine is common in Canada and very sappy, if I recall...loaded with 
Turpentine and pitch tar, desiccates, seals and "draws".

Here, I would try Loblolly yellow pine.

http://www.blacksalve.info/
Ingredients and Sizes:
The ingredients in the Black Salve are as follows: Sheep Sorrel, Red 
Clover, [yard weeds] Bloodroot, [grows in pine forests] Pau D' Arco, 
Graviola, Galangal, Zinc Chloride, **Pine Tar**, Emulsifying Wax, DMSO, 
Wintergreen Oil, Stearic Acid, Polysorbate 20, Glycerin, Olive Oil, 
Charcoal and Purified Water.



These products are manufactured by a Canadian company that meets all the 
Health Canada Standards and the Food and Drug Administration's Good 
Manufacturing Practices.



ode



At 12:53 PM 9/9/2010 -0400, you wrote:
  


I live in Ontario, Canada.

For years I would deal with doctors but after losing three family members 
to what I feel was errors by doctors, I have been trying to deal with 
things naturally.  The people I know think I am nuts not getting 
medications, etc.


Since dealing with things in a more natural way it is difficult because I 
don't have a support system or those with knowledge.   I've tried some 
naturalpaths but they created more problems for me.


Can you make some suggestions or give me names of some of these creams?

I want my mind to be an ally but I have to admit, I'm scared.  What 
suggestions can you make to help me to get to that place to have an ally.





- Original Message -
From: needling around
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>help needed

Where do you live?  If in the southwest you are lucky as they are used to 
dealing with skin cancers.  Also there are a number of cancer salves that 
deal with this that are supposed to be very helpful.  Others may know of 
names and have experiences.


Remember you mind can be your ally or your enemy.  Please use it as an
  

ally.
  

PT
  



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RE: CS>help needed

[Lisa]

Has anybody hear made their own turpentine? We've got tons of white pines
and limbs breaking off and trees coming down etc., it wouldn't be that hard
to do something with them. Just wondering how involved the process can
be...anybody?!?!

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 7:40 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>help needed



   "Black Salve" has a good reputation.
Somehow, I have this idea that smearing fresh pine sap on the spot would do 
the same thing.
  White pine is common in Canada and very sappy, if I recall...loaded with 
Turpentine and pitch tar, desiccates, seals and "draws".
Here, I would try Loblolly yellow pine.

http://www.blacksalve.info/
Ingredients and Sizes:
The ingredients in the Black Salve are as follows: Sheep Sorrel, Red 
Clover, [yard weeds] Bloodroot, [grows in pine forests] Pau D' Arco, 
Graviola, Galangal, Zinc Chloride, **Pine Tar**, Emulsifying Wax, DMSO, 
Wintergreen Oil, Stearic Acid, Polysorbate 20, Glycerin, Olive Oil, 
Charcoal and Purified Water.


These products are manufactured by a Canadian company that meets all the 
Health Canada Standards and the Food and Drug Administration's Good 
Manufacturing Practices.


ode



At 12:53 PM 9/9/2010 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I live in Ontario, Canada.
>
>For years I would deal with doctors but after losing three family members 
>to what I feel was errors by doctors, I have been trying to deal with 
>things naturally.  The people I know think I am nuts not getting 
>medications, etc.
>
>Since dealing with things in a more natural way it is difficult because I 
>don't have a support system or those with knowledge.   I've tried some 
>naturalpaths but they created more problems for me.
>
>Can you make some suggestions or give me names of some of these creams?
>
>I want my mind to be an ally but I have to admit, I'm scared.  What 
>suggestions can you make to help me to get to that place to have an ally.
>
>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: needling around
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:37 PM
>>Subject: Re: CS>help needed
>>
>>Where do you live?  If in the southwest you are lucky as they are used to 
>>dealing with skin cancers.  Also there are a number of cancer salves that 
>>deal with this that are supposed to be very helpful.  Others may know of 
>>names and have experiences.
>>
>>Remember you mind can be your ally or your enemy.  Please use it as an
ally.
>>PT
>>>


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RE: CS>Freckle question

[Lisa]

Thanks everybody!

 

I also agree on the sunscreen portion - only time we use it here is when the
husband enforces it (and I can't get away with not using any) OR even I'll
put a bit on the kids when it's 90+ degrees out and super, strong, summer
sun with no shade etc. 

 

Regardless, I plan on waiting a couple days as this morning it looked
smaller and actually more of what I originally suspected (and hoped) it was
- and that was more of a fingernail [dotted] scratch. It looks smaller and
not as bad. My eyesight certainly isn't what it once was.so it's hard for me
to really get a good look at it (plan on breaking out the reading glasses
that are stashed somewhere to look closer).

 

Lisa

 

  _  

From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:56 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Freckle question

 

Jane -- for the most part, I'm inclined to agree with you.  But flat, red,
growing skin areas are oftentimes melanomas.  Since this is on her face, it
would be better to address that while it is as small as possible.

MA

 

  _  

From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net

 

  Sun screens and dermatologists are not good for the health & I believe we
should know this by now and be able to work around the need for either.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Lisa   

 

Hi All,

 

My daughter (who's 7) has got light (and very cute) freckles on her nose and
under her eyes. Within the past two maybe three days I noticed one that was
red and much larger and darker. So much so I actually thought it was a cut
that had bled. It seems to have settled down as far as not being so red.but
I wonder if there's anything to be worried about. It's not raised -
completely flat etc. but doesn't seem to fit in with all her other freckles,
it stands out quite a bit. The thought crossed my mind as far as possibly
using some sort of cream or anything that is successful in lightening these
which would not have any detrimental effects? Does such a homeopathic,
natural remedy exist?

 

Lisa


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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #753

[Marshall Dudley]

Possibly, but it is so easy to convert the tarnish back to silver why 
bother?


Marshall

Melly Bag wrote:
Can the metallic silver plating be used to remedy  a tarnished silver 
plated item?

Thanks.
Melly
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Re: CS>Freckle question

[MaryAnn Helland]

Jane -- for the most part, I'm inclined to agree with you.  But flat, red, 
growing skin areas are oftentimes melanomas.  Since this is on her face, it 
would be better to address that while it is as small as possible.
MA





From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net

 
  Sun screens and dermatologists are not good for the health & I believe we 
should know this by now and be able to work around the need for either.
 
- Original Message - 
>From: Lisa 
>
>
>Hi All,
> 
>My daughter (who’s 7) has got light (and very cute) freckles on her nose and 
>under her eyes. Within the past two maybe three days I noticed one that was 
>red 
>and much larger and darker. So much so I actually thought it was a cut that 
>had 
>bled. It seems to have settled down as far as not being so red…but I wonder if 
>there’s anything to be worried about. It’s not raised – completely flat etc. 
>but 
>doesn’t seem to fit in with all her other freckles, it stands out quite a bit. 
>The thought crossed my mind as far as possibly using some sort of cream or 
>anything that is successful in lightening these which would not have any 
>detrimental effects? Does such a homeopathic, natural remedy exist?
> 
>Lisa


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Re: CS>Electrolysis questions

[Marshall Dudley]

David AuBuchon wrote:

Some questions about electrolysis if people can comment:

1.  Some say H+ ions are coming off of the anode.  If so, where do
they come from?  And in the case it comes from a water molecule, where
does the leftover OH- go?
  
The anode is positive, H+ is positive, so they repel. H+ will be 
attracted to the cathode.  Hydrogen is produced at the cathode. See 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis for complete description

2.  During the initial stages, when silver cations are coming off the
anode, if they exceed solubility locally (before many anions have had
enough time to reach the anode), do these ions form metallic
particles? 
  

yes.

 If so, how is it that ions (mutually repulsive) can get
together like that? 
  
When dissolved they are ions which repel. When the solubility limit is 
reached they combine back with their O-- or OH- counterpart, and thus 
have no charge.  If the OH versions bump into each other then it forms a 
silver particle, and water plus oxygen.

 Is it really like a collision just overpowering
that resistance?
  

A collision from the browning movement.

3.  They say particles have a zeta potential (which is the case of CS
is negative).  I suppose particles are said to be "in suspension"?  In
solution, there are many silver ions with positive charge.  Are these
negatively charged particles and positively charged ions mutually
attracted?  Or are things "in suspension" in a different universe than
things "in solution"?
  
Both the silver ions and particles have a positive charge, thus they 
will repel each other.  For the silver particle to combine with a 
negative OH ion would require energy to split an ion off the particle, 
and this energy is more than that gained by combining with the OH ion, 
thus it is not energetically available.

4.  At the cathode, one electron reacts with one water molecule to
form (H + OH-).  Then the H becomes H2 and escapes, right?
  
The electron combines with the H+, producing monatomic hydrogen, which 
then either reacts with the cathode metal producing a hydride, or with 
another atom producing H2.  The OH ends up at the anode, and evolves as 
oxygen.  That is 4OH -> 2H2O + O2

5.  The gray colored sludge on the cathode is metallic silver plating
out, right? 
  

Correct.

 Why does so little silver appear to occupy so much
volume?  Is the sludge full of air bubbles, making it look like a lot?
  

It is like feathers, and can be occupied by water or hydrogen gas.

6.  When there is excess silver hydroxide, why does silverhydroxide
want to convert to silveroxide? 
  
The chemistry of a solution of silver hydroxide causes it to switch back 
and forth between the two forms until they are balanced.  The balance 
can be shifted by various things such as temperature and pH, but as far 
as I know this have not been studied significantly.

 Wouldn't it want to agglomerate into
particles?  
Apparently some do over time. I am not sure why the process seems to 
stop after a few days.

Or is it a combination of both?  What chemically happens
to make silver hydroxide become silver oxide?
  

2AgOH <=> Ag2O + H2O

7.  So ultimately, there is some metallic silver particles, silver
ions (as either silverhydroxide or silveroxide)

yes

 and silver
"particles" of silver hydroxide or silver oxide? 
  
Silver hydroxide will not form a particle, it immediately converts to 
silver oxide upon dehydration.  Any silver oxide particles will 
precipitate out, that happens if you exceed the solubility limit at that 
temperature for it.

 And I suppose there
are "inter-racial" particles, right?  Like a particle that could have
some metallic silver, silverhydroxide, as well as silveroxide?  Are
there actually any silver ions left just by themselves?
  
There are silver ions by themselves, that can be verified by measuring 
the conductivity of the EIS.  I don't think under normal conditions 
there are any "hybrid" particles of silver with silver oxide/hydroxide 
mixed in.  However I do believe they can be produced, and experimental 
evidence seems to support that supposition. If you take EIS and 
evaporate water from it with heat, it will not precipitate, but can 
actually approach or exceed 500 ppm. The solution becomes quite brown, 
but it does stay in suspension.  Upon diluting with water it will revert 
back to normal EIS.  This I believe is an indication of silver particles 
being "glued" together by silver oxide particles, which form something 
akin to a popcorn ball. Upon adding water the silver oxide dissolves 
back into solution, and the particles separate again.

8.  I think Marshall said the black char on the anode is silveroxide.
Was it originally silverhyroxide that turned to silveroxide?
  
I believe it is silver Oxide both from the oxygen reacting with the 
silver, plus any silver hydroxide formed converting to oxide.  Silver 
hydroxide cannot be formed in the solid state (dehydrated or 
precipitated) from what I have read.


Marshall

T

Re: CS>Does the cathode need to be silver?

[Dan Nave]

"Ole Bob" recommended keeping the cathode small, and even loosely
wrapping it with a gauze or something like that to isolate the debris
that collect on it.  He felt that that part was not active, made the
CS taste bad, and just increased the total silver ppm without giving
real benefit.

I think the situation with polarity switching with two silver
electrodes is not quite the same, but I am not sure of the chemistry.

Dan

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:20 PM, David AuBuchon  wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong, but absolutely NOTHING physically comes off of the
> negative terminal during production, right?  The only thing that comes off
> would be electrons reacting with water molecules or incoming silver ions or
> a few amount of contaminant cations.  I'm wondering if the ideal gen has a
> lot of surface area on cathode also.  If so, copper would be preferable so
> you don't pay for all that extra silver.
>
> Hey, could that also make a gen that doubles as a colloidal copper setup?
> What do people use colloidal copper for anyway?
>
> ~David
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
>>
>> The cathode (in this case the negative terminal) can be copper if you
>> are not polarity switching.
>>
>> The anode (in this case the positive terminal) must be silver.
>>
>> You can see I don't agree with cking, as usual...
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, David AuBuchon 
>> wrote:
>> > Is there any reason everyone uses silver for the cathode?  I can
>> > understand
>> > if people were reversing the polarity.  But when things only go one way,
>> > does it matter what the cathode is made of?  Could it just be copper
>> > wire?
>> >
>> > Also, isn't the surface area of the cathode important.  With the anode,
>> > more
>> > surface area reduces the density of a layer of silver ions coming off,
>> > combining with hydroxide ions.  At the cathode end, isn't there a dense
>> > layer of hydroxide combining with incoming silver ions?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > ~David
>> >
>>
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Re: CS>Does the cathode need to be silver?

[Dan Nave]

The copper cathode will plate some silver initially, but after that
will not be substantially different than a silver cathode.

That is, as long as you are not using polarity switching.  With no
polarity switching, there is no more loss of silver than in the case
of two silver electrodes, not enough to be of any significance.

I wouldn't leave the electrodes in the water after completing the
electrolysis.  It may have some negative effect eventually.

Dan


On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
> The production of copper hydrite in EIS is an interesting analytical
> problem. The hydrate is rather unstable, and likely will react with Silver
> hydroxide producing colloidal copper, colloidal silver and H2O.  If this is
> correct then using copper for the cathode would produce a combination of
> both colloidal copper and silver.  Then the colloidal copper would likely
> react with silver oxide producing copper oxide, and additional colloidal
> silver.  Copper oxide is insoluble, and thus would likely form a
> precipitant.
>
> But I think the biggest problem with using copper as a cathode is that
> copper will reduce silver hydroxide and silver oxide, so that the ionic
> silver will plate out as silver on the copper, removing the silver from
> solution as you are making it, reducing efficiency significantly.  This
> reaction can be confirmed by putting some copper into some EIS and noting
> that it turns silver colored over time.
>
> Marshall
>
> Dan Nave wrote:
>>
>> The cathode (in this case the negative terminal) can be copper if you
>> are not polarity switching.
>>
>> The anode (in this case the positive terminal) must be silver.
>>
>> You can see I don't agree with cking, as usual...
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, David AuBuchon 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Is there any reason everyone uses silver for the cathode?  I can
>>> understand
>>> if people were reversing the polarity.  But when things only go one way,
>>> does it matter what the cathode is made of?  Could it just be copper
>>> wire?
>>>
>>> Also, isn't the surface area of the cathode important.  With the anode,
>>> more
>>> surface area reduces the density of a layer of silver ions coming off,
>>> combining with hydroxide ions.  At the cathode end, isn't there a dense
>>> layer of hydroxide combining with incoming silver ions?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ~David
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: CS>help needed

[Ode Coyote]

http://www.silverpuppy.com/Zapper.html

How they work and what they 
actually do


Shunned Cancer Cure

I would think that skin cancer would be the EASIEST to treat that way.
..and you can do it for 5 dollars, or less...if YOU do the thinking and the 
work.


1] AAA battery
1] Battery holder from the "Shack"
1] Strip of Litmus paper [Pharmacy] to tell you what is doing what, where.
..a little bit of wire and some wet salty paper towel
A very basic seat of the pants understanding of electricity [Ohms law with 
no need for numbers]

Voltage,  Area,  Resistance/distance/strength of salt solution = Current

If the skin gets red and itchy..stop for a while.  You've done it, let it 
work for a few minutes before doing it again.


Bells and whistles optional [LED to indicate that something is going on and 
about how much... and potentiometer to adjust it ]


Ode




At 12:23 PM 9/9/2010 -0400, you wrote:


I have had a sore beside my eye that wouldn't heal.  I put it down to 
being stressed and as it dried, I would pick at it and start the process 
all over again.  Also it would get a scab and either the pillowcase or the 
wash cloth would catch it.


I finally got through my cataract operation and felt I better get it 
checked out...I was sent to a dermatologist and she walked in the room, 
looked at it and said "you have cancer" and pointed to a picture of four 
kinds on the wall and said but you have the "good one"   I just about fell 
off the chair.


I was expecting some kind of ointment to heal it up...not being told 
"cancer" so I think I may have been in some shock.


I'm told I will have to go to a surgeon and have it cut out.

Has any one ever deal with cancer on the skin?   Can it be cleared up 
naturally?


Rusty



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Re: CS>Electrolysis questions

[Ode Coyote]

At 06:32 PM 9/9/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Some questions about electrolysis if people can comment:

1.  Some say H+ ions are coming off of the anode.  If so, where do
they come from?  And in the case it comes from a water molecule, where
does the leftover OH- go?


## The anion is OH[-] and what portion doesn't turn Ag [+] into AgOH stays 
in the water




2.  During the initial stages, when silver cations are coming off the
anode, if they exceed solubility locally (before many anions have had
enough time to reach the anode), do these ions form metallic
particles?


##  Most of the particles are AgOH
Since free electrons don't exist in a liquid, the only way to make a 
metallic particle is for Ag[+] to pick up and electron from a surface 
interface between the water and a surface.
Three spots can contribute an electron and two involve surface tension to 
capture them.

1] Where the water meets an electrode. [surface tension at the interface]
2] Where a bubble adheres to an electrode blocking the water [surface 
tension at the interface]
3] The surface of the glass container [from capacitive effect, electrons 
produced from ambient electromagnetic radiation] ..also note that if those 
metallic particle are made and don't have the velocity to escape that 
surface as they are made, they will bond there forming a mirror.
Other things happen to the Oxides and Hydroxides as they are exposed to 
free electrons..possibly peroxides of both, bonding to the glass on 
opposite sides of that mirror that H2O2 won't touch...Black spot/ mirror/ 
white spot...all very hard to remove.





If so, how is it that ions (mutually repulsive) can get
together like that?


##  They don't


 Is it really like a collision just overpowering
that resistance?

3.  They say particles have a zeta potential (which is the case of CS
is negative).


##  Zeta potential is a very weak force easily overcome with particle 
velocity..high [ish] speed collisions.



 I suppose particles are said to be "in suspension"?  In
solution, there are many silver ions with positive charge.  Are these
negatively charged particles and positively charged ions mutually
attracted?


##  Different sorts of charges [??]  A loose attraction vs a "bond" [See Ag 
ions and water molecules]



Or are things "in suspension" in a different universe than
things "in solution"?


##  Yup



4.  At the cathode, one electron reacts with one water molecule to
form (H + OH-).  Then the H becomes H2 and escapes, right?


##  Some escapes as bubbles, some dissolves.
If the bubble surface tension is loaded up, it's too heavy to rise and pop, 
transferring the load to the upper surface tension of the water. [silver slick]
Then it will sink, whereupon the H2 will gradually dissolve into the water 
and release part of the load as a white particle stream identical to what 
comes off an electrode as the surface tension area decreases with the 
shrinking of the bubble, pushing particles out into the water that no 
longer have room to be there.
But it's not all Ag because AgOH will also get stuck in a bubble surface if 
it impacts the bubble at a high enough velocity as it's growing on an 
electrode that holds it still enough to get hitthe *why* of keeping 
stir speed down to limit "Grey Beard", forming when enough silver is stuck 
in the interface to be semi conductive, forming another bubble on ITs 
surface as water pressure keeps IT stuck down.
"Grey Beard" grows INTO the direction of the water flow on a round 
electrode as the pressure from the flow sticks the bubbles on tighter..or 
in eddies behind the edges of a flat electrode where water velocity is 
higher but hits at an angle to the facing surface, blowing bubbles off.




5.  The gray colored sludge on the cathode is metallic silver plating
out, right?


##  Mostly  AgOH  [Silver Hydroxide] and some metallic silver.
 But, what gets "plated on" won't come off...thus, isn't "sludge"..but may 
contribute to a rough surface, not being plated on very evenly as it has to 
go between all the sludge particles to get to an exposed part to plate on to.



  Why does so little silver appear to occupy so much
volume?  Is the sludge full of air bubbles, making it look like a lot?


##  Yup.Actually,  Hydrogen bubbles full of sludge and some metallic 
silver stuck on the inner surface of the bubble...waiting for a transfer 
ticket.




6.  When there is excess silver hydroxide, why does silverhydroxide
want to convert to silveroxide?  Wouldn't it want to agglomerate into
particles?  Or is it a combination of both?  What chemically happens
to make silver hydroxide become silver oxide?


## I think that Silver Oxide particles tend to nucleate AgOH particles into 
a loose crystalline structure. [and yellow color, both from pigment AND 
particle size light scattering ]

H2O2 destroys that form of silver oxide, breaking the crystals apart.



7.  So ultimately, there is some metallic silver particles, silver
ions (as either silverhydroxi

Re: CS>help needed

[Ode Coyote]

  "Black Salve" has a good reputation.
Somehow, I have this idea that smearing fresh pine sap on the spot would do 
the same thing.
 White pine is common in Canada and very sappy, if I recall...loaded with 
Turpentine and pitch tar, desiccates, seals and "draws".

Here, I would try Loblolly yellow pine.

http://www.blacksalve.info/
Ingredients and Sizes:
The ingredients in the Black Salve are as follows: Sheep Sorrel, Red 
Clover, [yard weeds] Bloodroot, [grows in pine forests] Pau D' Arco, 
Graviola, Galangal, Zinc Chloride, **Pine Tar**, Emulsifying Wax, DMSO, 
Wintergreen Oil, Stearic Acid, Polysorbate 20, Glycerin, Olive Oil, 
Charcoal and Purified Water.



These products are manufactured by a Canadian company that meets all the 
Health Canada Standards and the Food and Drug Administration's Good 
Manufacturing Practices.



ode



At 12:53 PM 9/9/2010 -0400, you wrote:


I live in Ontario, Canada.

For years I would deal with doctors but after losing three family members 
to what I feel was errors by doctors, I have been trying to deal with 
things naturally.  The people I know think I am nuts not getting 
medications, etc.


Since dealing with things in a more natural way it is difficult because I 
don't have a support system or those with knowledge.   I've tried some 
naturalpaths but they created more problems for me.


Can you make some suggestions or give me names of some of these creams?

I want my mind to be an ally but I have to admit, I'm scared.  What 
suggestions can you make to help me to get to that place to have an ally.




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From: needling around
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>help needed

Where do you live?  If in the southwest you are lucky as they are used to 
dealing with skin cancers.  Also there are a number of cancer salves that 
deal with this that are supposed to be very helpful.  Others may know of 
names and have experiences.


Remember you mind can be your ally or your enemy.  Please use it as an ally.
PT





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Re: CS>U/S to Silver Strength Reading

[Ode Coyote]

A possibility:

  Since adding H2O2 to ionic silver water after a while doesn't oxidize 
the ions like doing that too soon does, they must also be hiding out from 
the meter as well as the H2O2.
 Given that the anion OH [-] is produced at a 1 to 1 ratio with the Ag [+] 
ions and also are conductive [accounting for half the total conductivity in 
fresh EIS] , it stands to reason that the meter is seeing those and not the 
hiding silver [in stabilized EIS]...and that would account for the 
conductivity drop at around 40%, given other low solubility limits of other 
byproducts such as silver oxide and hydroxide handing around 10% of the 
high end of a possible Ag [+] 'Hide out" at 50% drop, back.


ie:
Reading stabilized EIS...
Silver ions ~zero
 OH anions ~ 35-50%
Other products around 3-15%, some portion of that as OH compounds with Ag 
that didn't get away, in solution and some soluble Oxides.


Thus, 1 uS = ~ 1 PPM  "OH"  AFTER the conductivity stops droppingand 
the OH is fairly equal to the Ag with however much was used up making 
insoluble AgOH as a variable deduction with the small soluble portion of 
AgOH contributing.


 Concept Simplified:  You aren't even measuring the "silver ions"..it's 
their mirror image anions you see...along with a few "groupies" counting 
into the crowd.




Ode


At 12:00 PM 9/9/2010 -0400, you wrote:
The ppm of the silver does not change with aging, it simply has some 
convert from ionic to colloidal component, and the meter only reads the 
ionic portion.


Marshall

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
If your CS reads 8 on the TDS (as mine does) this will mean the ppm is 
approximately 16ppm.  This generally drops to 5 after a few days which 
means the finished ppm is approximately 10ppm.  dee


On 8 Sep 2010, at 21:50, nessie wrote:



Too many  answers and technical  stuff.
So by example , can someone please  tell me.
I have  cs,   u/s  reading of 14.
What will the approx.  cs  ppm be?
Is  7ppm the correct answer?
  Thanks all...nessie
8

On 08/09/2010 9:56 AM, Trem wrote:


It's 1 to 1   TDS readings are 1/2 the PPM

Trem






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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #753

[Ode Coyote]

  To remove tarnish: [ Silver Sulfate ]
Wrap the item up in Aluminum foil with some salt water or Vinegar for a few 
minutes. [conductive electrolyte]


Or just rub it gently with foil and salt water.
 This will make Silver ions leave the surface and head for the Aluminum by 
way of battery effect, freeing up the Sulphur.

It's also how Curad Silver Bandaids work to release Silver ions into a wound.

Re-plating it is an option if the Silver has worn off, but they will remove 
the tarnish first.
You can do that using your CS generator, but to get a nice finish, the 
proper electrolyte should be used. [That, is a science in itself ]


Ode

At 10:14 PM 9/9/2010 -0700, you wrote:
Can the metallic silver plating be used to remedy  a tarnished silver 
plated item?

Thanks.
Melly
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From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #753
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:06 AM



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RE: CS>Question on quick healing remedy for...

[Ode Coyote]

Dats de stuff whut gives ya sphixter lips...also used to clarify water 
[flocculant] and put the crispy in pickles.


 So, is that,  bun in a pickle...or pickle in a bun?
[Off color?  Yes I AM  a racist..  GO NASCAR !!  and just blame Kyle 
Busch.  A blue M&M is just as brown inside as a Herseys kiss ]


Ode



Seeing as you mention 'Alum', if that's anything like powdered alum that I 
used to use on mouth ulcers {dunno if you's call them canka sores} when I 
was a kid...if memory serves me well I think that stuff absorbs moisture 
and tends to 'tighten' doesn't it?   How appropriate, that may even stop 
the 'dribble' .


N.

>
> ode
>
> At 09:45 AM 9/9/2010 +1030, you wrote:
> >40 odd years ago when I used to get em I just applied pressure on em with
> >a finger for a while, and did this as often as I could throughout the
> >day/couple days, cleared em up and have not had a problem with em
> >since. Applying pressure with the finger for a while, and often, helps
> >dissipate the blood back into the body thus reducing swelling...worked 
for

> >me anyway and that's all I cared about at the time.
> >
> >N.
> >
> >
> >--
> >From: blacksa...@comcast.net
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:28:12 -0400
> >Subject: CS>Question on quick healing remedy for...
> >
> >My neighbor (who's nearing 60) informed me that she's having some issues
> >with hemorrhoids. Does anybody have any suggestions on a quick healing
> >remedy for her? I guess preparation H is doing nothing for her and I
> >haven't a clue as to what else she could try…
> >
> >
> >
> >L
>
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #748

[needling around]

I'm now taking a B6 preparation that has HCL in it but only 150mg I believe 
which is pretty low.  No problems as of this writing.
PT
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 12:06 AM
  Subject: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #748


PT,

How about reducing the dosage of your HCL.  I am  used to taking low 
dose of it.  I ran out of it, and i took a progest which had 300+ mg. I could 
not take it everyday due to acidity problem. So i just take it every other day. 
 I don't take HCL alone it is always with some enzymes.  Hydro-D also comes 
with enzymes and so with Progest.

Melly

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  Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #748
  To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
  Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 1:22 AM

   

Re: CS>Freckle question

[Jane MacRoss]

I understood that freckles related to the condition of the liver so I would 
take a liver purification or strengthening herb, such as milk thistle as well 
as coconut butter (organic oil) to strengthen the skin's ability to tolerate 
the sun's rays and go easy on exposure top the sun, together I would think 
these would reduce any ill effect from the liver or the sun.  Sun screens and 
dermatologists are not good for the health & I believe we should know this by 
now and be able to work around the need for either.

Best,

Jane 

http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth
~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~
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  Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 6:57 AM
  Subject: CS>Freckle question


  Hi All,

   

  My daughter (who's 7) has got light (and very cute) freckles on her nose and 
under her eyes. Within the past two maybe three days I noticed one that was red 
and much larger and darker. So much so I actually thought it was a cut that had 
bled. It seems to have settled down as far as not being so red.but I wonder if 
there's anything to be worried about. It's not raised - completely flat etc. 
but doesn't seem to fit in with all her other freckles, it stands out quite a 
bit. The thought crossed my mind as far as possibly using some sort of cream or 
anything that is successful in lightening these which would not have any 
detrimental effects? Does such a homeopathic, natural remedy exist?

   

  Lisa



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Re: CS>U/S to Silver Strength Reading

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Well I assumed it was silver parts per million parts of water Neville - 
approximately that is.  I don't actually bother to test nowadays--I just assume 
that when the Puppy turns off it is 'done!'  Ode said though - when I first 
bought it, that my TDS reading had to be doubled and that would give the 
approximate ppm as far as it can be measured in this way.  My TDS reading of 
the distilled water that I do, is always 000 and that makes consistently clear 
EIS so this suits me fine.  Once its 'done' it usually reads 8 so I assume that 
this is what has gone into the water from the silver rods. Thanks for the info 
though as I had thought that after a few days some of it may have disappeared!  
dee
 
On 9 Sep 2010, at 23:33, Neville Munn wrote:

> PPM refers to the weight of total silver content expressed in mg per 1 litre 
> of water Dee {assuming there's nothing else in that water} so it doesn't 
> matter what *any* meter tells you, you still got 'x' amount of silver content 
> by weight in that solution regardless of what any meter picks up on.  
>  
> My lab samples returned a ppm {*total* silver content} result higher than 
> *all* my meters showed.  The silver content didn't go anywhere, the *total* 
> amount of silver by weight in mg in the water was still there, regardless of 
> what any of my meters read, but only a lab analysis told me exactly how much 
> silver was present.  The *total* silver content is probly "closer?" to the 
> real deal *immediately* after cessation of the brewing process when using a 
> meter, standing time reduces the meter readings til a point of stabilization 
> has been reached, and that reduction in reading just basically indicates to 
> me how much of the ionic component has converted to particle clusters or 
> whatever.
>  
> In my experience, whatever a meter reads, it will be the *minimum* amount of 
> silver present {again, assuming nothing else is in the water}.
>  
> N.
>  


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