Re: CSWet weight?
I am unclear if he is measuring weight (in actuality mass) or density.
Density certainly changes with temperature, but weight and mass does not
(ignoring Einstein). Is he starting with a certain weight of water,
adding silver, then reweighing? In that case the only thing I can think
of is evaporation has reduced the weight while making the silver. If on
the other hand he is measuring out a specific volume of water both
before and after, and using those weights, that would reflect a density
difference.
Can you elaborate a bit more on your procedure?
Marshall
On 2/26/2011 8:49 AM, Frank wrote:
Hi guys Forgive me for intruding but .The best analytical balances
have a sensitivity of 0.0001 gm. and an accuracy of +-0.0002. If you
are adding 5 parts per million of a compound with a specific gravity
of 11 (silver) to a liquid with a Spg of 1.0 (distilled water) , how
do you expect to pick up the difference in weight?
Weight does not change with temperature. Only the volume does.
Whether you “cluster” ions or not their weight does not change.
Vortexing water will not change the weight. But if you introduce air,
for example, you are changing the density and that is another matter.
Keep in mind that weight is a direct reflection of mass and mass does
not change with temperature, vortexing, etc.
Hope it helps
Frank
*From:* Neville Munn mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 7:47 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* RE: CSWet weight?
I'm fairly confident the measurements are right. I went through the
same exercise this morning and although measurements are different
today from yesterday the scales DO pick up differences in weight, of
that I have no doubt.
However, I suspect this is not a successful way of doing things due to
several factors just off the top of my head:
a) Temperature of medicine cup may increase with manual handling,
which in turn will heat water/solution contained within {can only
afford to do the procedure once}?
b) Although temperature of EIS is the same today as yesterday the
plain DW may not be? {failed to measure plain DW temperature and used
DW temp from yesterday}
c) Water temperature may rise during the time measurements are taken.
{again, manual handling of cup, containers, syringe and day temp
rising praps}
d) There may be some weight differences between Ag ions and ion
cluster characteristics which may be influencing results? *this is
probly an unknown*
e) I have been vortexing the water prior to production in recent
batches. Would now need to make a few batches without vortexing the
water and see what difference there is...if any? {probly won't bother
as I don't think my weighing exercise was of any use}.
Although the scales do pick up differences in weight I don't believe
this method is at all useful due to aforesaid factors. I say this
because as an example, the medicine cup weighs more today than
yesterday {room temperature may be heating things a tad?}. Just too
many external influences and variables that can affect results to be
of any practical use.
The idea seemed good in principal, but I don't think it works in
practice, nevermind, if one never never goes one never never knows.
If nothing else it's made me question any possible differences there
may be between weight characteristics of Ag ions in solution and ion
clusters {particles} in solution...if any?
N.
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:20:53 -0500
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWet weight?
How confident are you of your measurements? Basic chemistry says that
water with silver in it should have a density which is higher, not
lower than distilled water. However there have been a number of
reports that nanosilver structures water, sort of like homeopathy. If
that is the case, then any restructuring, or crystalization of the
water would be expected to have an effect on the density. If your
measurements are indeed correct, this may be confirmation of those
reports.
Marshall
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Re: CSWet weight?
Marshall The predicted conversion of mass into energy occurs at extraordinary
circumstances well beyond the point of our discussion.
There are several issues at work here. I would like to address them so we put
the matter to rest.
The issue is one of sensitivity or the capacity of any balance to detect such a
minute change in weigh. As I explain below, the change in weight is so
minuscule that no balance will be able to detect it. The second issue is one of
repeatability. The repeatability (the capacity of any instrument to reproduce
the same result from the same experiment) of a balance is at best half of its
accuracy (purported in this case to be 0.001 g). So, at best, if your repeat
the same weighing you are bound to obtain results within a margin of error of
0.0005 g. However, if you add 5 g of silver (SpG 11) to 95 gm of water, you
still have one million gms. with a volume of 95 ml because the silver
occupies the molecular interstitial space and thus the increase in volume is
negligible. The SpG of this suspension would then be 1.05 g/ml. So you
would trying to compare the weight of water (1.00 gm) with the weight of a
5 ppm suspension (1.05 gm ) As you can see well beyond the detection limit
of any commercial balance.
Finally, I would also like to remind you that the fact that a balance can read
up 0.001 gm does not assure you that the accuracy will be 0.001 g. One thing is
the readability another thing is the accuracy.
Marshall, I do appreciate the discussion. Hope I was of help.
Cheers
Frank
From: Marshall
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:52 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Frank
Subject: Re: CSWet weight?
I am unclear if he is measuring weight (in actuality mass) or density. Density
certainly changes with temperature, but weight and mass does not (ignoring
Einstein). Is he starting with a certain weight of water, adding silver, then
reweighing? In that case the only thing I can think of is evaporation has
reduced the weight while making the silver. If on the other hand he is
measuring out a specific volume of water both before and after, and using those
weights, that would reflect a density difference.
Can you elaborate a bit more on your procedure?
Marshall
On 2/26/2011 8:49 AM, Frank wrote:
Hi guys Forgive me for intruding but .The best analytical balances have a
sensitivity of 0.0001 gm. and an accuracy of +-0.0002. If you are adding 5
parts per million of a compound with a specific gravity of 11 (silver) to a
liquid with a Spg of 1.0 (distilled water) , how do you expect to pick up the
difference in weight?
Weight does not change with temperature. Only the volume does.
Whether you “cluster” ions or not their weight does not change.
Vortexing water will not change the weight. But if you introduce air, for
example, you are changing the density and that is another matter.
Keep in mind that weight is a direct reflection of mass and mass does not
change with temperature, vortexing, etc.
Hope it helps
Frank
From: Neville Munn
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSWet weight?
I'm fairly confident the measurements are right. I went through the same
exercise this morning and although measurements are different today from
yesterday the scales DO pick up differences in weight, of that I have no doubt.
However, I suspect this is not a successful way of doing things due to
several factors just off the top of my head:
a) Temperature of medicine cup may increase with manual handling, which in
turn will heat water/solution contained within {can only afford to do the
procedure once}?
b) Although temperature of EIS is the same today as yesterday the plain DW
may not be? {failed to measure plain DW temperature and used DW temp from
yesterday}
c) Water temperature may rise during the time measurements are taken. {again,
manual handling of cup, containers, syringe and day temp rising praps}
d) There may be some weight differences between Ag ions and ion cluster
characteristics which may be influencing results? *this is probly an unknown*
e) I have been vortexing the water prior to production in recent batches.
Would now need to make a few batches without vortexing the water and see what
difference there is...if any? {probly won't bother as I don't think my weighing
exercise was of any use}.
Although the scales do pick up differences in weight I don't believe this
method is at all useful due to aforesaid factors. I say this because as an
example, the medicine cup weighs more today than yesterday {room temperature
may be heating things a tad?}. Just too many external influences and variables
that can affect results to be of any practical use.
The idea seemed good in principal, but I don't think it works in practice,
nevermind, if one never never goes one never never knows. If nothing else it's
made me question
RE: CSWet weight?
Yep, sure.
2 Different solutions used: (a) 19 days old @ 12.1uS/006-7ppm, (b) 3 days old @
18.5uS/009-010ppm.
Step 1: Ensure digital scale was zero'd and reading in grams. Praps I could
have used 'ct' or 'gs' {which I assume is 'grain'} or 'dwt' {don't know what
that is}
Step 2: Weigh empty 30ml plastic medicine cup.
Step 3: Syringe 5cc/ml plain DW into cup...weigh that, then subtracted cup
weight from DW.
Step 4: Empty and dry cup thoroughly.
Step 5: Syringe 5cc/ml EIS into cup...weight that, then subtracted cup weight
from EIS.
Step 6: Subtact this result from the other.
Whilst the scale did register differences, I gave it considerable thought after
speaking here I decided this excercise was too 'iffy' to be of any real value.
It did indicate something however, but what that 'something' was I could not
determine due to aforesaid reasonings.
N.
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:52:56 -0500
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
CC: frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: CSWet weight?
I am unclear if he is measuring weight (in actuality mass) or density. Density
certainly changes with temperature, but weight and mass does not (ignoring
Einstein). Is he starting with a certain weight of water, adding silver, then
reweighing? In that case the only thing I can think of is evaporation has
reduced the weight while making the silver. If on the other hand he is
measuring out a specific volume of water both before and after, and using those
weights, that would reflect a density difference.
Can you elaborate a bit more on your procedure?
Marshall
RE: CSWet weight?
Hope this doesn't come thru twice, had to cut.
Yep, sure.
2 Different solutions used: (a) 19 days old @ 12.1uS/006-7ppm, (b) 3 days old @
18.5uS/009-010ppm.
Step 1: Ensure digital scale was zero'd and reading in grams. Praps I could
have used 'ct' or 'gs' {which I assume is 'grain'} or 'dwt' {don't know what
that is}
Step 2: Weigh empty 30ml plastic medicine cup.
Step 3: Syringe 5cc/ml plain DW into cup...weigh that, then subtracted cup
weight from DW.
Step 4: Empty and dry cup thoroughly.
Step 5: Syringe 5cc/ml EIS into cup...weight that, then subtracted cup weight
from EIS.
Step 6: Subtact this result from the other.
N.
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:52:56 -0500
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
CC: frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: CSWet weight?
Can you elaborate a bit more on your procedure?
Marshall
