RE: CS>Wet weight?

[Neville Munn]

Hi there Mike,
 
Yes, I considered after syringing several times on the very first day that, 1) 
On observing the meniscus of the liquid I realised it would be pretty difficult 
to determine that I have *exactly* 5cc's in the syringe, and repeat that 
*every* time I syringed, 2) How accurate the scale *actually* would be in this 
small range, 3) What variations could come into play with varying temperatures 
of water etc, and then to clinch it, 4) speaking to Tom, Marshall and Frank 
about it was the deciding factor.
 
As you say though, it was still a worthwhile thing to do for me as no matter 
how naive my idea was it *did* teach me the "orders of magnitude", and made me 
realise that this proved to be of little value in the scheme of things.  Like I 
said earlier, it was an idea in principle, just didn't work in practice, but if 
one never never goes one never never knows.  Far better to pick someone else's 
brain I spose, much easier, but then there's no challenge is there, and the 
lesson is not as well learnt as in doing it for oneself?  That's the downside 
of not being an academic I guess...damn it, nevermind, that's what you people 
are for right?  To bring us back on the straight and narrow if/when we stray 
too far .
 
Cheers

N.
 

> From: mdev...@eskimo.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:35:23 -0500
> Subject: RE: CS>Wet weight?
> 
> Dear Neville,
> 
> As Marshall has noted, one of your sources of error would be the 
> syringe... It is unlikely you can measure the 5 cc's of water 
> repeatedly to within the accuracy of the scale, let alone measure the 
> addition of a few micrograms of silver on a balance that is accurate 
> only to milligrams.
> 
> A good exercise would be to just measure out 5 cc's of distilled water 
> five different times and see how much variation you get within just 
> that operation alone.
> 
> If you're talking 10ppm CS, that's 10 milligrams of silver in a liter, 
> or 50 micrograms per 5 cc's. So, the difference in mass between 5 grams 
> of water and 5 grams of water PLUS 50 micrograms of silver would 
> probably be WAY less than your errors in measuring out the water, 
> totally apart from the resolution of the scale, which wouldn't be able 
> to even see the silver weight.
> 
> It's a worthwhile experiment, and can teach a lot about orders of 
> magnitude, and the precision and accuracy of measurments. These are 
> essential to all science.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Mike D.
> 
  

Re: CS>EIS and stem cells

[Silver Smith]

This link maybe of interest?
http://thesilveredge.com/pdf/Induced_Dedifferentiation.pdf

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:09 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> Anyone have any ideas how EIS compares to stem-cell boosting products
> like StemPlex, StemKine, StemGevity, or StemEhnhance?  These are all
> supposed to increase the levels or circulating adult stem cells.  Does
> oral EIS have a similar effect?  Or is this only in other methods of
> administration?
>
> FYI, I just sprayed EIS on a paper cut yesterday and put a bandaid on.
>  Today the cut is completely undetectable to my eyes!
>
> ~David
> http://scientificliving.net/
>
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RE: CS>Wet weight?

[M. G. Devour]

Dear Neville,

As Marshall has noted, one of your sources of error would be the 
syringe... It is unlikely you can measure the 5 cc's of water 
repeatedly to within the accuracy of the scale, let alone measure the 
addition of a few micrograms of silver on a balance that is accurate 
only to milligrams.

A good exercise would be to just measure out 5 cc's of distilled water 
five different times and see how much variation you get within just 
that operation alone.

If you're talking 10ppm CS, that's 10 milligrams of silver in a liter, 
or 50 micrograms per 5 cc's. So, the difference in mass between 5 grams 
of water and 5 grams of water PLUS 50 micrograms of silver would 
probably be WAY less than your errors in measuring out the water, 
totally apart from the resolution of the scale, which wouldn't be able 
to even see the silver weight.

It's a worthwhile experiment, and can teach a lot about orders of 
magnitude, and the precision and accuracy of measurments. These are 
essential to all science.

Peace,

Mike D.


> Hope this doesn't come thru twice, had to cut.
> 
> Yep, sure.
> 
> 2 Different solutions used: (a) 19 days old @ 12.1uS/006-7ppm, (b) 3
> days old @ 18.5uS/009-010ppm.
> 
> Step 1: Ensure digital scale was zero'd and reading in grams. Praps I
> could have used 'ct' or 'gs' {which I assume is 'grain'} or 'dwt' {don't
> know what that is} Step 2: Weigh empty 30ml plastic medicine cup. Step
> 3: Syringe 5cc/ml plain DW into cup...weigh that, then subtracted cup
> weight from DW. Step 4: Empty and dry cup thoroughly. Step 5: Syringe
> 5cc/ml EIS into cup...weight that, then subtracted cup weight from EIS.
> Step 6: Subtact this result from the other.
> 
> N.
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:52:56 -0500
> From: mdud...@king-cart.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> CC: frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: CS>Wet weight?
> 
> Can you elaborate a bit more on your procedure?
> 
> Marshall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>Protocol for Making Liposomal GSH

[David AuBuchon]

I bought my glutathione from nutritionland BUT, they appear to be somewhat
scammy, so I would not suggest you buy from them.  They have the absolute
cheapest price per gram on the healthy origins brand gluathione, but they
have lots of complaints against their company.  Possible getting scam
charges from them on your credit card.

~David

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> The following PDF lists the solubility of GSH at 20mg per ml.  I made
> lipo-GSH for the first time yesterday.
>
> http://www.caymanchem.com/msdss/10007461m.pdf
>
> I used the same BB recipe for liposomal C, except instead of dissolving
> vitamin C in the 4 oz of water, I decided to mix as much GSH in that 4 oz of
> water as would be soluble in 12 oz of water (the total water used in the
> recipe).  I think I calculated that would be about 7 grams.  Unfortunately
> glutathione is not dirt cheap like vitamin C.  Anyway, I found that most of
> the 7 grams actually appeared to dissolve in just the 4 oz of water, which
> makes me think it is really much more soluble than  20mg/ml.  Anyway, that
> was my recipe.
>
> ~David
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Silver Smith  wrote:
>
>> I have been successfully making Liposomal Vit C and I am ready to make
>> some Liposomal GSH.  I was wondering if anybody had devised a successful
>> protocol for Lipo GSH? If so, would you post it?   I tried to search past
>> posts but did not find one.  Sorry if I missed it.
>>
>> Best Source for GSH?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> SS
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Protocol for Making Liposomal GSH

[David AuBuchon]

The following PDF lists the solubility of GSH at 20mg per ml.  I made
lipo-GSH for the first time yesterday.

http://www.caymanchem.com/msdss/10007461m.pdf

I used the same BB recipe for liposomal C, except instead of dissolving
vitamin C in the 4 oz of water, I decided to mix as much GSH in that 4 oz of
water as would be soluble in 12 oz of water (the total water used in the
recipe).  I think I calculated that would be about 7 grams.  Unfortunately
glutathione is not dirt cheap like vitamin C.  Anyway, I found that most of
the 7 grams actually appeared to dissolve in just the 4 oz of water, which
makes me think it is really much more soluble than  20mg/ml.  Anyway, that
was my recipe.

~David

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Silver Smith  wrote:

> I have been successfully making Liposomal Vit C and I am ready to make some
> Liposomal GSH.  I was wondering if anybody had devised a successful protocol
> for Lipo GSH? If so, would you post it?   I tried to search past posts but
> did not find one.  Sorry if I missed it.
>
> Best Source for GSH?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> SS
>
>
>

CS>Protocol for Making Liposomal GSH

[Silver Smith]

I have been successfully making Liposomal Vit C and I am ready to make some
Liposomal GSH.  I was wondering if anybody had devised a successful protocol
for Lipo GSH? If so, would you post it?   I tried to search past posts but
did not find one.  Sorry if I missed it.

Best Source for GSH?

Thanks!!

SS

Re: CS>Wet weight?

[Marshall]

I don't recall seeing anywhere the magnitude of the difference.  However 
that is addressed in #4 below as one of the possible sources of error.


That would be some useful information, or alternatively he should run a 
series of measurements and produce a repeatability diagram.  If he runs 
say 10 measurements and they all lie within "X" of the mean, then he 
does the same for the other and that mean is outside the mean +/- "X" of 
the other, then he is likely outside the level of measurement error.  Of 
course to do it right, you mathematically compute the standard 
deviation, then you can give the probability that the result is actual 
or error.


Marshall

On 3/2/2011 9:55 AM, Dan Nave wrote:

Apparently, you think it is within the realm of possibility for
Neville to decant a volume of liquid repeatedly within an error of
less than 5 parts per million...

Dan

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Marshall  wrote:

OK, then you were actually measuring a change in density instead of weight.
That would likely have been an decrease in volume then instead of a decrease
in weight.

This could be cause by any of the following:

1. scale accuracy
2. scale repeatability
3. temperature difference in the liquids at time of measurment.
4. pipette accuracy/repeatibility
5. actual density reduction

Actual density reduction could be due to temperature variation or a change
in the structure in the water.   For instance if water crystallizes when
freezing, the density will drop about 10%.

Marshall

On 2/28/2011 5:37 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

Hope this doesn't come thru twice, had to cut.

Yep, sure.

2 Different solutions used: (a) 19 days old @ 12.1uS/006-7ppm, (b) 3 days
old @ 18.5uS/009-010ppm.

Step 1: Ensure digital scale was zero'd and reading in grams. Praps I could
have used 'ct' or 'gs' {which I assume is 'grain'} or 'dwt' {don't know what
that is}
Step 2: Weigh empty 30ml plastic medicine cup.
Step 3: Syringe 5cc/ml plain DW into cup...weigh that, then subtracted cup
weight from DW.
Step 4: Empty and dry cup thoroughly.
Step 5: Syringe 5cc/ml EIS into cup...weight that, then subtracted cup
weight from EIS.
Step 6: Subtact this result from the other.

N.

Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:52:56 -0500
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
CC: frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: CS>Wet weight?

Can you elaborate a bit more on your procedure?

Marshall






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Re: CS>nebulized allicin

[Dan Nave]

That sounds like a conundrum.

Dan

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jim Holmes  wrote:
> From link campaign*** below.
>
> "
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:23 PM, David AuBuchon 
> wrote:
>>
>> FYI, some ND is doing this:
>>
>> http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/181207/CTM-%20allicin2.htm
>>
>> ~David
>> http://scientificliving.net/
>
> Of course, the UA study only gives us an insight into the effects of
> properly prepared fresh garlic. But according to Simon Mills and Kerry Bone
> in their textbook on botanical medicine, "Principles and Practice of
> Phytotherapy," when garlic is dried in powered form at low temperatures, the
> garlic enzyme allinase and the active compound alliin remain intact,
> converting to allicin in the digestive tract, which is the same chemical
> chain of events that follows the crushing of a garlic clove.
> Rachael Linkie
> Health Sciences Institute"
>
> Does anyone here know how to get instruction/information about how to do the
> above?  How do you powder fresh garlic?
>
> Jim
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Re: CS>Wet weight?

[Dan Nave]

Apparently, you think it is within the realm of possibility for
Neville to decant a volume of liquid repeatedly within an error of
less than 5 parts per million...

Dan

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Marshall  wrote:
> OK, then you were actually measuring a change in density instead of weight.
> That would likely have been an decrease in volume then instead of a decrease
> in weight.
>
> This could be cause by any of the following:
>
> 1. scale accuracy
> 2. scale repeatability
> 3. temperature difference in the liquids at time of measurment.
> 4. pipette accuracy/repeatibility
> 5. actual density reduction
>
> Actual density reduction could be due to temperature variation or a change
> in the structure in the water.   For instance if water crystallizes when
> freezing, the density will drop about 10%.
>
> Marshall
>
> On 2/28/2011 5:37 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
>
> Hope this doesn't come thru twice, had to cut.
>
> Yep, sure.
>
> 2 Different solutions used: (a) 19 days old @ 12.1uS/006-7ppm, (b) 3 days
> old @ 18.5uS/009-010ppm.
>
> Step 1: Ensure digital scale was zero'd and reading in grams. Praps I could
> have used 'ct' or 'gs' {which I assume is 'grain'} or 'dwt' {don't know what
> that is}
> Step 2: Weigh empty 30ml plastic medicine cup.
> Step 3: Syringe 5cc/ml plain DW into cup...weigh that, then subtracted cup
> weight from DW.
> Step 4: Empty and dry cup thoroughly.
> Step 5: Syringe 5cc/ml EIS into cup...weight that, then subtracted cup
> weight from EIS.
> Step 6: Subtact this result from the other.
>
> N.
> 
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:52:56 -0500
> From: mdud...@king-cart.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> CC: frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: CS>Wet weight?
>
> Can you elaborate a bit more on your procedure?
>
> Marshall
>
>
>
>


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