RE: CS0.3uS Distilled water at Savemart
Dear Dee, PT, Others will chime in on this as well, but I'll be the first... grin Since your meter only measures ions in the water, things that dissolve without becoming ions are not measured. Try adding some sugar to distilled water. Does the reading go up? (Be sure to thoroughly rinse the end of your meter afterwards.) Sugar dissolves, but the molecules stay in one piece, rather than breaking up into ions. On the other hand, salt, sodium chloride, NaCl, breaks up into Na+ and Cl- ions, which your meter *will* detect. Silver ions, Ag+ are also detected, but neutral silver species, Ag(metal) and maybe certain oxides and other chemical forms, wont be. The other concern is that even ionic forms of extremely potent toxins could be present in dangerous amounts that are below the detection range of your meter, as well. How much plasticizer is too much, eh? I don't know. Got plutonium oxide? Nasty stuff, and dangerously toxic in amounts way smaller than a fraction of a ppm, totally apart from it's radiological properties. So, while none of this says that you *have* any contaminants in your water, your meter readings aren't conclusive evidence that you don't -- just that it's probably good enough, all other things being equal and with reasonable care being taken. Dave's point about plasticizers is a reasonable one. Distilled water is really one of the toughest storage problems you'll commonly come across. You just have to decide for yourself if the plasticizer issue is important enough to you to justify the additional expense and effort. Peace, Mike D. This is my experience also. PT -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS0.3uS Distilled water at Savemart I *put* my home-made distilled water into plastic bottles and the silver always reads '0' on the meter and I'm sure it wouldn't if it contained plastic toxins. dee On 27 Oct 2011, at 03:58, D Glover wrote: As long as it is sold in a glass bottle then it is safe Don't buy anything acidic in plastic full stop, and water must be in 12 minimum, especially distilled, as that will leach out plastic into the water really fast, and molecular chains of that stuff gets wound around and integrated into your cellular tissue.Best regards,Dave [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS0.3uS Distilled water at Savemart
You are correct. Plasticizers such as diethyl phthalate are considered organic solvents and are non-ionic in nature. Thus although they likely present a significant health risk, they do not show up on conductivity measurements. This is similar to alcohols and acetone. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_phthalate for more information. Marshall On 10/28/2011 12:52 PM, M. G. Devour wrote: Dear Dee, PT, Others will chime in on this as well, but I'll be the first...grin Since your meter only measures ions in the water, things that dissolve without becoming ions are not measured. Try adding some sugar to distilled water. Does the reading go up? (Be sure to thoroughly rinse the end of your meter afterwards.) Sugar dissolves, but the molecules stay in one piece, rather than breaking up into ions. On the other hand, salt, sodium chloride, NaCl, breaks up into Na+ and Cl- ions, which your meter *will* detect. Silver ions, Ag+ are also detected, but neutral silver species, Ag(metal) and maybe certain oxides and other chemical forms, wont be. The other concern is that even ionic forms of extremely potent toxins could be present in dangerous amounts that are below the detection range of your meter, as well. How much plasticizer is too much, eh? I don't know. Got plutonium oxide? Nasty stuff, and dangerously toxic in amounts way smaller than a fraction of a ppm, totally apart from it's radiological properties. So, while none of this says that you *have* any contaminants in your water, your meter readings aren't conclusive evidence that you don't -- just that it's probably good enough, all other things being equal and with reasonable care being taken. Dave's point about plasticizers is a reasonable one. Distilled water is really one of the toughest storage problems you'll commonly come across. You just have to decide for yourself if the plasticizer issue is important enough to you to justify the additional expense and effort. Peace, Mike D. This is my experience also. PT -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS0.3uS Distilled water at Savemart I *put* my home-made distilled water into plastic bottles and the silver always reads '0' on the meter and I'm sure it wouldn't if it contained plastic toxins. dee On 27 Oct 2011, at 03:58, D Glover wrote: As long as it is sold in a glass bottle then it is safe Don't buy anything acidic in plastic full stop, and water must be in 12 minimum, especially distilled, as that will leach out plastic into the water really fast, and molecular chains of that stuff gets wound around and integrated into your cellular tissue. Best regards, Dave [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT - DE
Hi, Has anyone developed intestinal issues after using DE? I'm not even taking the recommended dosage but after a few days I end up with intestinal issues. Thanks. PT
Re: CS0.3uS Distilled water at Savemart
Thanks Mike, something *else* for me to worry about now! I store my silver in glass jars, but the DW is in a large plastic bottle. I think it is that plastic which is supposed to be ok (can't remember the name) it is thick and opaque and came with the distiller. I hope it is anyway. dee On 28 Oct 2011, at 12:57, M. G. Devour wrote: Dear Dee, PT, Others will chime in on this as well, but I'll be the first... grin Since your meter only measures ions in the water, things that dissolve without becoming ions are not measured. Try adding some sugar to distilled water. Does the reading go up? (Be sure to thoroughly rinse the end of your meter afterwards.) Sugar dissolves, but the molecules stay in one piece, rather than breaking up into ions. On the other hand, salt, sodium chloride, NaCl, breaks up into Na+ and Cl- ions, which your meter *will* detect. Silver ions, Ag+ are also detected, but neutral silver species, Ag(metal) and maybe certain oxides and other chemical forms, wont be. The other concern is that even ionic forms of extremely potent toxins could be present in dangerous amounts that are below the detection range of your meter, as well. How much plasticizer is too much, eh? I don't know. Got plutonium oxide? Nasty stuff, and dangerously toxic in amounts way smaller than a fraction of a ppm, totally apart from it's radiological properties. So, while none of this says that you *have* any contaminants in your water, your meter readings aren't conclusive evidence that you don't -- just that it's probably good enough, all other things being equal and with reasonable care being taken. Dave's point about plasticizers is a reasonable one. Distilled water is really one of the toughest storage problems you'll commonly come across. You just have to decide for yourself if the plasticizer issue is important enough to you to justify the additional expense and effort. Peace, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT - DE
Specify intestinal issues - C or D or something else? Specify recommended dose (this varies depending on who you talk to) If you do not drink enough water sometimes people can get constipated. When mixed with very little fluid it has a claylike consistency, if you have ever done Bentonite clay they always recommend considerable water intake as well. It is my best anology although DE is different than Bentonite there are some similarities. I take no less than 3 large tablespoons and up to 9 large tablesppons of DE daily and have no GI problems with it. But I also consume a fairly large amount of fluid throughout the day. Jaxi On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:23 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Has anyone developed intestinal issues after using DE? I’m not even taking the recommended dosage but after a few days I end up with intestinal issues. Thanks. PT
RE: CSOT - DE
Hi Jaxi, Its pain no C or D and always in the same place. I drink lots of water. I distill it and then add in tract minerals or minerals. When I take the DE I add it to my morning protein drink so I take it down with about 1 pint of fluid. I have had to back off now at a healing ½ teaspoon twice. I thought perhaps I had a parasite and it was making the parasite unhappy and it was causing the problem. I have also done montmorilinite(?) clay. I could only take the tip of a knife with 8-10 oz of water and often some Triphala as well. I was just wondering if I was alone in this or if others also had the same issue. Thanks. PT From: jaxi [mailto:jaxi.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 1:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT - DE Specify intestinal issues - C or D or something else? Specify recommended dose (this varies depending on who you talk to) If you do not drink enough water sometimes people can get constipated. When mixed with very little fluid it has a claylike consistency, if you have ever done Bentonite clay they always recommend considerable water intake as well. It is my best anology although DE is different than Bentonite there are some similarities. I take no less than 3 large tablespoons and up to 9 large tablesppons of DE daily and have no GI problems with it. But I also consume a fairly large amount of fluid throughout the day. Jaxi On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:23 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Has anyone developed intestinal issues after using DE? Im not even taking the recommended dosage but after a few days I end up with intestinal issues. Thanks. PT No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4580 - Release Date: 10/28/11
Re: CSOT - DE
Unbearable double you over pain? Mild ache? Sharp? I wonder. One of the cool things about DE - which is different than the clays - is due to the diatoms it cleans impacted sludge and such out of the intestines - as long as you provide it enough fluid. Maybe it is working on an area? Protein shakes are often quite thick - depending on the type. It might help to chase with some pure water? Good luck. Jaxi On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:54 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Jaxi, Its pain… no C or D… and always in the same place. I drink lots of water. I distill it and then add in tract minerals or minerals. When I take the DE I add it to my morning protein drink so I take it down with about 1 pint of fluid. I have had to back off now at a healing ½ teaspoon twice. I thought perhaps I had a parasite and it was making the parasite unhappy and it was causing the problem. I have also done montmorilinite(?) clay. I could only take the tip of a knife with 8-10 oz of water and often some Triphala as well. I was just wondering if I was alone in this or if others also had the same issue. Thanks. PT ** ** *From:* jaxi [mailto:jaxi.sch...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2011 1:32 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSOT - DE ** ** Specify intestinal issues - C or D or something else? Specify recommended dose (this varies depending on who you talk to) If you do not drink enough water sometimes people can get constipated. When mixed with very little fluid it has a claylike consistency, if you have ever done Bentonite clay they always recommend considerable water intake as well. It is my best anology although DE is different than Bentonite there are some similarities. I take no less than 3 large tablespoons and up to 9 large tablesppons of DE daily and have no GI problems with it. But I also consume a fairly large amount of fluid throughout the day. Jaxi On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:23 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Has anyone developed intestinal issues after using DE? I’m not even taking the recommended dosage but after a few days I end up with intestinal issues. Thanks. PT No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4580 - Release Date: 10/28/11* ***
Re: CSOT - DE
Dear PT, We have evaluated via many different scenarios--different protocols involving large animals and humans, throughout the immediately-past 25 years.. all without any compromising incidents. There is one caution I would offerif one is not aware of the potential dangersand that is to BE SURE to use ONLY the amorphous form of DE. This is VERY IMPORTANT, AS THE SWIMMING POOL TYPE has been heated to an elevated temperature, which causes a collapse of the random crystal structure---resulting in a very real threat to human healthespecially if inhaled. The amorphous form is that which is normally distributed by agricultural and feed stores. We HAVE experienced cases where subjects encountered presentations somewhat similar to those you report. In almost every case, a hydration condition was involved. DE is quite hygroscopic. As a matter of general course, we found that one tablespoon of DE requires a minimum of 6 ounces (better with 8) of water (not juices or carbonated drinks).in order to provide an optimal alimentary environment. Diatomaceous Earth can, under certain circumstances, become a factor in unwanted agglomeration...in the presence multiple chemical mixtures. However, as a general rule...it is quite benign and does not generate any negative catalytic consequences.and never any undesirable chemical reactions. At least, that has been our experience. Best Regards, Brooks. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:23 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Has anyone developed intestinal issues after using DE? I’m not even taking the recommended dosage but after a few days I end up with intestinal issues. Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT - DE
Thank you, Brooks and Jaxi. I am not taking the swimming pool variety, I am taking the veterinary variety which I figured was also good for people since DE cannot be sold in Florida (I am told) for human consumption. The pain is not a doubling over pain (more like serious menstrual cramps but only on the left side)... it is serious enough to make me stop taking the DE. I have taken it and stopped taking it several times and each time this is happening. It is a puzzle to me. Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:bradlebro...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT - DE Dear PT, We have evaluated via many different scenarios--different protocols involving large animals and humans, throughout the immediately-past 25 years.. all without any compromising incidents. There is one caution I would offerif one is not aware of the potential dangersand that is to BE SURE to use ONLY the amorphous form of DE. This is VERY IMPORTANT, AS THE SWIMMING POOL TYPE has been heated to an elevated temperature, which causes a collapse of the random crystal structure---resulting in a very real threat to human healthespecially if inhaled. The amorphous form is that which is normally distributed by agricultural and feed stores. We HAVE experienced cases where subjects encountered presentations somewhat similar to those you report. In almost every case, a hydration condition was involved. DE is quite hygroscopic. As a matter of general course, we found that one tablespoon of DE requires a minimum of 6 ounces (better with 8) of water (not juices or carbonated drinks).in order to provide an optimal alimentary environment. Diatomaceous Earth can, under certain circumstances, become a factor in unwanted agglomeration...in the presence multiple chemical mixtures. However, as a general rule...it is quite benign and does not generate any negative catalytic consequences.and never any undesirable chemical reactions. At least, that has been our experience. Best Regards, Brooks. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:23 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Has anyone developed intestinal issues after using DE? Im not even taking the recommended dosage but after a few days I end up with intestinal issues. Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4580 - Release Date: 10/28/11
Re: CSOT - DE
PT.. I too was taking the food grade DE for several weeks and had to stop. I never got over 1 tsp twice x day. It started as a very mild pain in my left side and worsened.. not horrible but it was there. I have mild diverticulosis, found when I had a colonoscopy a few years back. I have only had it flare up a few times but the pain is very similar to the pain I got with the DE, varying only by degree. The DE pain was very slight by comparison but it truly was a feeling of 'rawness'. I don't know how else to describe it. Diverticulosis is almost invariably found on the left side of the abdomen, about 4 - 6 inches horizontally over from the belly button. I am not saying this is your problem but.. it sounds eerily similar to my problems with DE. You may have undiagnosed diverticulosis that DE irritates possibly? I do believe in educating your self and listening to your body. If I were to use DE again, I would probably experiment and try eating with bread or something? Lola On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:26 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Thank you, Brooks and Jaxi. I am not taking the swimming pool variety, I am taking the veterinary variety which I figured was also good for people since DE cannot be sold in Florida (I am told) for human consumption. The pain is not a doubling over pain (more like serious menstrual cramps but only on the left side)... it is serious enough to make me stop taking the DE. I have taken it and stopped taking it several times and each time this is happening. It is a puzzle to me. Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:bradlebro...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT - DE Dear PT, We have evaluated via many different scenarios--different protocols involving large animals and humans, throughout the immediately-past 25 years.. all without any compromising incidents. There is one caution I would offerif one is not aware of the potential dangersand that is to BE SURE to use ONLY the amorphous form of DE. This is VERY IMPORTANT, AS THE SWIMMING POOL TYPE has been heated to an elevated temperature, which causes a collapse of the random crystal structure---resulting in a very real threat to human healthespecially if inhaled. The amorphous form is that which is normally distributed by agricultural and feed stores. We HAVE experienced cases where subjects encountered presentations somewhat similar to those you report. In almost every case, a hydration condition was involved. DE is quite hygroscopic. As a matter of general course, we found that one tablespoon of DE requires a minimum of 6 ounces (better with 8) of water (not juices or carbonated drinks).in order to provide an optimal alimentary environment. Diatomaceous Earth can, under certain circumstances, become a factor in unwanted agglomeration...in the presence multiple chemical mixtures. However, as a general rule...it is quite benign and does not generate any negative catalytic consequences.and never any undesirable chemical reactions. At least, that has been our experience. Best Regards, Brooks. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:23 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Has anyone developed intestinal issues after using DE? I’m not even taking the recommended dosage but after a few days I end up with intestinal issues. Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4580 - Release Date: 10/28/11
RE: CS0.3uS Distilled water at Savemart
I don't worry about it at all dee, and I don't think anyone else should either. Producing this stuff in house ain't gunna happen in a 100% sterile production environment or result in the purest possible EIS from where I'm looking. Gotta maintain a sense of perspective about it all. How far does one have to go to satisfy every little detail regarding DW and/or EIS production? One does the best one can given the zillion possibilities for contamination before/during and after the production thereof. Most who make this stuff in house won't even have a meter let alone be concerned about any plastic contaminants from the bottle the DW came in. I purchase my El Cheapo Homebrand DW in plastic bottles, I do however store my finished product in glass, but I use plastic bottles whenever I go away anywhere, and if I don't consume entire bottle when away in my morning ritual it remains in that bottle for some time thereafter. It may be admirable to attempt to achieve the best result or product possible but I doubt it will ever happen for most. One does the best one can given the nature of DW and EIS production, and the zillion possibilities for contamination from whatever source, from manufacture of DW right on thru to the finished EIS product. If most worried about purity of water, plastic, and a multitude of other variables and possible contaminants, most would be too afraid of making and taking this stuff. It may be a good result to aim for, but the bullseye is just far too small to hit. I'm content to hit outer bulls - and hit them consistantly. I had a dream once, but time and understanding has been my reality check. N. Subject: Re: CS0.3uS Distilled water at Savemart From: d...@deetroy.org Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:28:24 +0100 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Thanks Mike, something *else* for me to worry about now! I store my silver in glass jars, but the DW is in a large plastic bottle. I think it is that plastic which is supposed to be ok (can't remember the name) it is thick and opaque and came with the distiller. I hope it is anyway. dee On 28 Oct 2011, at 12:57, M. G. Devour wrote: Dear Dee, PT, You just have to decide for yourself if the plasticizer issue is important enough to you to justify the additional expense and effort. Peace, Mike D.
Re: CSOT - DE
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Re: CSOT - DE
In a message dated 10/28/2011 1:24:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes: Hi,Has anyone developed intestinal issues after using DE? I’m not even taking the recommended dosage but after a few days I end up with intestinal issues. Thanks.PT Hi PT, I use DE for my self pets.. Haven't had any bad reactions but I only take 1 tsp. not on a regular schedule... Maybe take it every other day or may even skip two or three days,,, I find it keeps the bowels on a regular sched. The only time I had pains like you describe was when I took a little to much red pepper. The only thing I could think of if you haven't been taking it is it may be detoxing the bowel... Not sure if you have these sites but there is a lot of info on them... Lois _http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/diatomaceous_earth.html_ (http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/diatomaceous_earth.html) _Diatomaceous Earth-Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth-Permaguard-Wholesale Price_ (http://www.earthworkshealth.com/)
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Re: CSOT - DE
Hello PT, I have also tried to take the Perma Guard food grade DE several different times along with very good hydration with pure water ( my drink of choice always). I was never able to get past about a tsp a day and eventually even1/4 tsp caused abdominal distress. I had intense soreness and a raw cramping sensation, mostly on the left each time and quite painful. I was diagnosed with IBS many years ago and still have symptoms from various foods sometimes, but had much greater symptoms of cramping and D with the DE trials. This was a very disappointing happening to me because I had researched DE so thoroughly before initiating taking the DE and was so ready to experience benefits from taking DE.. My husband takes about a tbsp of DE daily in his protein shake with no problems whatsoever. When I have previously inquired about anyone having any difficulty taking DE or building up the dose, there were no direct answers on that forum and a response from the moderator that there would not be a problem from the DE itself. My hypersensitive system does react negatively and I now choose to not take DE internally anymore because of these past episodes. We bought a 50 pound sack of Perma Guard DE because of the strength of the information we had gleaned about food grade DE. DH takes it and we use it successfully as insect control. Hope this helps validate your own experience. We are each a unique creation and are not a one-size-fits-all situation regarding any health giving remedy. Blessings, Paula Forwarded Message: Re: CSOT - DERe: CSOT - DE Friday, October 28, 2011 4:13 PM From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net To: silver-list@eskimo.comPT.. I too was taking the food grade DE for several weeks and had to stop. I never got over 1 tsp twice x day. It started as a very mild pain in my left side and worsened.. not horrible but it was there. I have mild diverticulosis, found when I had a colonoscopy a few years back. I have only had it flare up a few times but the pain is very similar to the pain I got with the DE, varying only by degree. The DE pain was very slight by comparison but it truly was a feeling of 'rawness'. I don't know how else to describe it. Diverticulosis is almost invariably found on the left side of the abdomen, about 4 - 6 inches horizontally over from the belly button. I am not saying this is your problem but.. it sounds eerily similar to my problems with DE. You may have undiagnosed diverticulosis that DE irritates possibly? I do believe in educating your self and listening to your body. If I were to use DE again, I would probably experiment and try eating with bread or something? Lola On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:26 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Thank you, Brooks and Jaxi. I am not taking the swimming pool variety, I am taking the veterinary variety which I figured was also good for people since DE cannot be sold in Florida (I am told) for human consumption. The pain is not a doubling over pain (more like serious menstrual cramps but only on the left side)... it is serious enough to make me stop taking the DE. I have taken it and stopped taking it several times and each time this is happening. It is a puzzle to me. Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:bradlebro...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT - DE Dear PT, We have evaluated via many different scenarios--different protocols involving large animals and humans, throughout the immediately-past 25 years.. all without any compromising incidents. There is one caution I would offerif one is not aware of the potential dangersand that is to BE SURE to use ONLY the amorphous form of DE. This is VERY IMPORTANT, AS THE SWIMMING POOL TYPE has been heated to an elevated temperature, which causes a collapse of the random crystal structure---resulting in a very real threat to human healthespecially if inhaled. The amorphous form is that which is normally distributed by agricultural and feed stores. We HAVE experienced cases where subjects encountered presentations somewhat similar to those you report. In almost every case, a hydration condition was involved. DE is quite hygroscopic. As a matter of general course, we found that one tablespoon of DE requires a minimum of 6 ounces (better with 8) of water (not juices or carbonated drinks).in order to provide an optimal alimentary environment. Diatomaceous Earth can, under certain circumstances, become a factor in unwanted agglomeration...in the presence multiple chemical mixtures. However, as a general rule...it is quite benign and does not generate any
