CS>Violet Ray

[Melly Bag]

Paula,
 
I have the Master and Marvel antique Violet Ray machines as well as the Chinese 
facial/costmetic one.
 
The Chinese machine as well as its electrodes are far weaker than the antique 
ones.  It is only good for cosmetic use.
 
The antique machines purchased from ebay have helped me with getting rid of 
inflammations, eye pressure,  burning- numb feeling on my thigh and pinky toe.  
I also used it for toothaches, tonsilitis, sinusitis, tongue, spine, etc., with 
all the proper electrodes.  Each electrode is different from the other when it 
comes to deliver the frequency-electricty.  The condenser electrode i believe 
delivers most punch specially when pulsing up and down the skin, the farther 
away from the skin the sharper the frequency. When i run the electrodes on my 
husband and accidentally touch some part of his body by accident, i feel a 
sharp electric as well.   I find the antique ones more desireable for treatment.
 
As an example on the difference of the two.  The highest setting of the Chinese 
is only the low-medium setting of the antique ones.
 
Take precaution when using the machine.  Not in bathrooms, due to grounds, and 
i never use it when there is any water near me, not even a cup, since an 
accident might electrocute me.  
 
 
Melly

RE: CS>Mesosilver

[Neville Munn]

The sputtering method incorporates HVAC doesn't it Marshall?
N.

Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:38:18 -0500
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Mesosilver



  



  
  
HVAC will not produce that ratio, but MesoSilver I believe uses
sputtering for their manufacturing process.



Marshall



On 2/1/2012 7:58 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

  

  
  
  

RE: CS>Mesosilver

[Neville Munn]

> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:08:29 -0400
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> From: odecoy...@windstream.net
> Subject: RE: CS>Mesosilver
> 
> A meter will not detect particles.
> An electron microscope requires a dry sample, and drying ionic silver 
> solutions results in silver oxide particles.
> How it's dried determines the dispersion pattern.
> It takes a picture of something that was never in the water, much larger 
> than what actually was in the water.
> 
> The malvern particle sizer [Frank Key as one] will both give size ranges 
> and density readings.  It uses a calibrated laser.
> 
> Eyeballs have limited resolution but aren't calibrated, so brightness of 
> the TE tells a story about total reflective surface, while an inability to 
> determine single particles as they are too small for the eyes resolution 
> limits to determine, gives a fuzzy velvety appearance to the laser beam.
## This is why I use a meter in conjunction with a laser.The meter allows me to 
get repeatable *approximate* values to aim for in the production process, and 
the laser strength indicates particle density using visual inspection as some 
of those ions form particles.  Won't be able to determine the ratio, but that 
matters not to me, at least I have *some* idea of the product I've produced, 
and that's all I basically need to know.

> Both LVDC and HVAC make the same substance...IONS
> Particles are formed out of ions, later, with many variable environmental 
> factors involved.
> Water is one of the biggest variables.
> 
> Ode
> 

  

CS>Re: Mesosilver

[Alchemysa]

Regarding the color of Mesosilver... Somewhere on the site Frank  
explains that the dark color of mesosilver is due to the very high  
CONCENTRATION of the particles, not the size of the particles.


The following interesting quote is also on their website.

Quote from the silver-colloids (Mesosilver) site:

"Regarding the dark color of high particle surface area colloids"

Question: Dr. Ronald Gibbs booklet states that high-quality Colloidal  
Silver is colorless, but the highest particle surface area colloid in  
the tabulations is dark in color, why this discrepancy?


Answer: The material in Ron Gibbs book is slightly dated. Ron died in  
May 2000 and the book material was frozen about a year before. For  
example, the samples that Ron tested, some of which were made for him  
in the Colloidal Science Lab. Inc.(CSL) were believed by Ron to be at  
least 50% colloidal when in fact they were mostly ionic (typically  
90%). The methods developed at CSL to determine ionic vs. particle  
concentration were just being developed at the time Ron wrote the  
book and so he was not fully informed about the ion/particle ratio of  
the test samples and consequently made some erroneous assumptions.  
Ron assumed the sample were at least 50% particles when they were  
only 10%.


(So in fact Ron Gibbs was proving that IONIC silver works)

David (Australia.)



From: Janet Bergen 
Date: 2 February 2012 10:39:43 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>Mesosilver


Sally,

I've bought MesoSilver for the past 6 or so years- and it works,  
and people are catching on.


But I want to take it the next step now. I've noticed the color is  
an issue to me. The longer the MesoSilver stays stored the more  
likely the color changes from yellow to a green or darker color.  
From what I've read the suspended Ag particles are dropping out of  
the suspension thereby causing discoloration from the non- 
uniformity. I believe the ideal color is supposed to be clear.


I will be making my own soon using a Silver Generator (just a  
constant current source w/ silver electrodes placed into the water)  
and a conductivity meter to first test (to make sure the water is  
as pure & distilled as possible) and for determining afterward, to  
some degree, the colloidal effect that I produced. Then using a low- 
powered laser determine the ppm level.


this is really interesting stuff, and you'll be fine with MesoSilver,

kevin



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CS>hello friends im new to the list.

[Jared De la Torriente]

 hello friends and new to the  silver list  group and would like to  share my 
findings on ionic silver.
 
i been  using it for almost a month and have had  great results in  flu, cold, 
respiratory infection, febers, dandruff,pimple remover, new castle, and bird 
infections, chronic fatige, water desinfectant, artitris, and will begin using 
it on a friend that has  hiv positive and another relative  with cancer,  will 
share our results ass soon as there are improvements.
 
well i started  as with many of  us. simple generator bought on mercado libre 
mexico,  just like  ebay in usa.
 
it came with a  tds reader, silver wire, aligator clip and a small handbook and 
helpfull literature to get started. my firt batch came at 19ppm very clear, 
little sediments, took over 3 days at 7vdc and current unlimited max at 250mA, 
on the cathode and  anode could see a the anode darkening and the cathode cover 
 with silver particles  but did not stirr the solution..
 
i begun to read more and more and decided i need a  way to stirr the solution 
and to have a more cuality grade instruments to better the final solution .
so i bought the following.
 
 
1lt kimble flask with rubber stopper.
took apart an old pc power source and took out to small colling  fan and took 
apart and old  HDD and took  out the magnets inside of  it and glue it to the 
fans, took a while to center the magnets .
bought a variable power source with regulated V and AMp  both with limiting 
options and fin and coarce option, no pulse frecuency, not yet any how.
also a boght a zapper  with varaible frequency range 1hz to 200,000hz that can 
give out both  rife and hula clarck espesific frequencias, still  waiting for 
this zapper but ill used it to treat whatever comes to mind that be apply to it 
but also to infuse my finish ionic silver  with the love frequency and  other 
healing frequency, very interestd in the results of using this type of 
sulution.. ill happyly share it all on this group.
 
 
i also experimented with multiple voltage  from  4 to 42vdc and found that at 
higher voltage intially take much lees time to get the conductivity going in 
the distille water but once a conductivy is reach it begins to make  a lot a 
lot more silver mud and silver  particles accumulated on the cathode . i have 
to state that no  stirring was used in 42vdc, might have  help out lowering 
aglomeration but did not further experimented with constant high voltage.
 
will give a try again and ill sahre my findings.
 
also in all my testing with different voltage a mA i have had solution very 
clear to clear to slight cloudy or turbit and small amounts of particles  
sediments. i always filter my finish solution with coffe grade filters  usually 
8to 10 filters put together but ill invest in some microfilters or membrane 
filters to see if  any improvements is presents in using different grade 
filters.
 
hope this is  usefull to some. as i found much  usefull info on this list.
 
namaste.
  

Re: CS>Mesosilver

[Marshall]

HVAC will not produce that ratio, but MesoSilver I believe uses 
sputtering for their manufacturing process.


Marshall

On 2/1/2012 7:58 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
OK Janet, well I don't believe that ion/particle ratio is possible 
with LVDC, so that suggests to me that HVAC is used, and for 
commercial production that would obviously make sense, but I'm not a 
lover or supporter of HVAC produced EIS/CS.  Now, before anyone gets 
off their high horse, I have *NOTHING* against said product/s and 
don't ask me why I am not a supporter of HVAC produced products, I 
have my own reasons, and it's each to their own on the subject of HVAC 
vs LVDC products.


Particle size is much more complicated than that to me.  Most reports 
state TEM images or whatever for determining size and I don't believe 
that is by any stretch of the imagination to be an accurate picture. 
 It may work fine on a glass slide, but what about in the body/blood? 
 Again, this is my personal opinion and conviction.


My lab analysis was done using AAS and incorporating a .45 micron 
paper filter {yep, that's 450nm I believe} so I don't follow any 
statement regarding particle size because those particles could do 
anything in the filtering process.  I don't pretend to understand 
laboratory techniques or procedures, but I surmise that as the 
solution is passed through that filter, the more particles present 
will encourage more particles to collect in that filter.  For 
simplicity, when a couple of particles are trapped in that filter, 
other particles will become trapped {regardless of size}, thus this 
paper filtering is relatively meaningless to me.


The colour is another issue whereby I have my own opinion.  Any colour 
up to golden is perfectly fine, anything over that, or darker is of 
some concern to me as it indicates the solution does not meet my 
quality standards.  Yet again, this is my own personal opinion and 
conviction.


My lab reports made me think considerably differently about home 
produced EIS/CS to what I read in the public domain, using LVDC of 
course, which is why I take anything a marketer says with a pinch of 
salt {no pun intended }.


May I take the liberty of adding this reminder...I am a solitary 
animal, I speak for myself only and I am not a follower of any 
particular flock.  I make my own determinations from literature I have 
perused over considerable time.  I mean no disrespect to a person or 
criticism of any product out there, I make my own determinations on 
matters EIS/CS related.


There, I think I've been tactful and as diplomatic as I can .

N.


From: berge...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Mesosilver
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:50:11 -0500

Neville, Eskimo,

MesoSilver prints the ppm and the particle size in nms on their label. 
I'm assuming its the average size of particles (.65 nm) and they state 
the ratio is 80% particles w/ 20% ions (don't ask me at what size they 
draw the distinction). I believe different size bottles can be 
purchased for 10, 15 or 20 ppm.


I've used them over the last 5 years and notice the color does start 
at yellow and continues on to darker colors as the months go by. It's 
nice to know today there are ways to determine, to some degree, what 
the particle density (ppm) is via conductivity measures- to begin with 
and as a finished product of colloidal silver. And the more 
challenging determination of particle size via electron microscope for 
the 1%ers and the laser option for the rest of us.


Ag 4all

RE: CS>Mesosilver

[Ode Coyote]

A meter will not detect particles.
An electron microscope requires a dry sample, and drying ionic silver 
solutions results in silver oxide particles.

How it's dried determines the dispersion pattern.
It takes a picture of something that was never in the water, much larger 
than what actually was in the water.


The malvern particle sizer [Frank Key as one] will both give size ranges 
and density readings.  It uses a calibrated laser.


Eyeballs have limited resolution but aren't calibrated, so brightness of 
the TE tells a story about total reflective surface, while an inability to 
determine single particles as they are too small for the eyes resolution 
limits to determine, gives a fuzzy velvety appearance to the laser beam.


Both LVDC and HVAC make the same substance...IONS
Particles are formed out of ions, later, with many variable environmental 
factors involved.

Water is one of the biggest variables.

Ode

At 06:50 PM 2/1/2012 -0500, you wrote:

Neville, Eskimo,

MesoSilver prints the ppm and the particle size in nms on their label. I'm 
assuming its the average size of particles (.65 nm) and they state the 
ratio is 80% particles w/ 20% ions (don't ask me at what size they draw 
the distinction). I believe different size bottles can be purchased for 
10, 15 or 20 ppm.


I've used them over the last 5 years and notice the color does start at 
yellow and continues on to darker colors as the months go by. It's nice to 
know today there are ways to determine, to some degree, what the particle 
density (ppm) is via conductivity measures- to begin with and as a 
finished product of colloidal silver. And the more challenging 
determination of particle size via electron microscope for the 1%ers and 
the laser option for the rest of us.


Ag 4all


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From: one.red...@hotmail.com
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Subject: RE: CS>Mesosilver
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:38:55 +1100

No worries Craig.

The definition of quality relies on the individuals interpretation 
thereof.  What would be the characteristics of a product which would be 
the defining factor of quality to the individual?  That's up to the 
individual to decide, and most certainly will be debatable among several 
individuals.


A question was asked, and I responded with my answer, others can respond 
with theirs.


Every marketer purports to have an edge, with home produced EIS/CS 
everyone has pretty much the same product, they know exactly what that 
product is and how it was produced, and can choose to use either a high 
Ag+ ion solution or a more neutral particulate solution, can't get that 
with purchased products, it is what it is as it sits on the 
shelf.  Besides, what information is printed on the label of the purchased 
product, apart from the ppm count?


Don't forget, each to his/her own when it comes to this stuff .

N.


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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:30:02 -0800
From: craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Mesosilver

Hi Neville,

With all due respect, regarding the "quality" of Mesosilver...have you 
ever seen or used Mesosilver it?


Kind regards,

Craig

Neville Munn wrote:
No way in the world for me, not as long as my bum points to the ground!
No amount of money would encourage me to purchase *any* marketed product 
when I can make equal or better quality stuff myself, especially when I'm 
ingesting a quantity of EIS/CS every day, but even if I wasn't, I would 
still rather make my own than buy it, at least I know what I've got, and I 
know it was produced using LVDC.


They all go on about how their product is produced by some mystical secret 
squirrel method which results in the best 'this or that?'.
Like everything else, the best marketer will get the biggest share, 
doesn't mean it's a quality product though, just better sales pitch.

Disclaimer and conclusion: Each to his/her own.
N.


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