Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

For best value for money i.e cheapness and quality, I would recommend the
Silver Puppy.  I have had this for years and it has always been reliable.
dee


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> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
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> Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:58:37 -0800
> 
> I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
> Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
> absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
> appreciated (Ode).
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Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Ode Coyote]

At 01:41 PM 12/3/2012 -0600, you wrote:

Thanks Ode,

Two questions remain 

If they use hyrogen peroxide in the process at HVAC, wouldnt that also 
produce only silver particles, I had the understanding it did?



Depends on how much and when.


Does this Ag4O4 offer increased bioavailability then regular ionic silver?


It's all about ion exchange in a chemical soup [the bod]...you tell me?
I suspect it all comes out pretty much the same by a variety of routes.

Ode



Thanks
Alex

On 12/03/2012 04:59 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:



  They get the oxide coating by using peroxide in the process. [They 
don't say where, when or how much]
At higher AC frequencies, the voltage has to be high enough to get the 
ion going fast enough to get away from the electrodes so the polarity 
reversal every 50th or 60th of a second won't suck them back on.

The results are the same using slow frequency, low voltage AC.
 A higher frequency in a given voltage range tends to favor Silver Oxide 
formation whereas a slower frequency tends to favor Silver Hydroxide.


Ode


At 10:10 PM 12/1/2012 -0600, you wrote:

Hello Guys...

Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS i 
know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer, b.) 
Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens because 
it lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged pathogens) 
and c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal multiple 
electronics instead of one comapred to the ION which can only steal one.


My question is:

a.) Who makes this compound? I have seen ASAP from American Biotech Labs 
(http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) however their patent ( 
http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ) tells about making colloids 
(99% particles) so I dont understand how they get the Ag4O4 coating? Or 
os it that simply but doing an HVAC process we automatically get the 
Ag4O4 coatings on the particles?


b.) Does anybody know of other products that work with Ag4O4?

Thanks

Alex



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Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Ode Coyote]

  Barwick is a fear mongering deceptive cr double oh k and that CS maker 
is worth about $50. [$350 worth of bluff and BS]
His ad copy is designed to "Phish for Ignorance" and sort out the 
"Believers" who will not question anything, especially their own judgement 
[perfect "Marks" ], makes no sense and is full of mixed terms and direct 
contradictions..and he knows it. [Will thump Bible and hurl childish 
insults if challanged]
His blogs are edited to ferret out any question or dissent [total control 
of content] to maintain the appearance of perfection and god hood.
Floods the media with 'bait and switch' articles with fearful headlines, 
negated in fine print, buried on page 4. [I screamed at you to be very 
afraid, but didn't mean what I said..if you believed the headline, you need 
to learn how to read past second grade level...and that's a quote. ]
Steve spends a lot more money on "advertising" [con games] than product 
function and quality.


Contents: [from memory]
1] partially disassembled aquarium pump [$5 at walmart]
1] .02 cent 1/4 watt resistor to limit current to 40 milliamps [prevents 
fires if electrodes short together]

1] $3 transformer to drop line voltage
1] $1-$2 rectifier bridge to get DC
1] capacitor to smooth the ripples [maybe]
1] LED to show it's running
1] big nearly empty box [$8] with a tamper seal and dire warning so you 
won't look inside to see how empty and shoddy it all is. [ judicious use of 
a heat gun gets around that ]
..but it does seem to work OK...and all those bubbles between the 
electrodes probably do reduce current draw significantly.

Repeatable results?  Don't see how.

Ionic silver is ions.
 Silver Ions , by definition, only come in ONE size...period.
NO CS maker using water and electricity makes anything BUT ions. HVAC, 
HVDC, LVAC, LVDCall ions.

Particles come later according to environment.
MOST of the particles are not pure silver [Mostly AgOH and AgO plus 
whatever was formed by reaction with various water contaminants...some of 
which probably comes from air dissolving into the watervia bubbler? ]
There are ways to tweek the environment and a good generator design can get 
a handle on some factors, but generally so many variables in the home 
environment that total control is impossible. [Fortunately **usage** gives 
us a lot of leeway ]
 Affordable real time monitoring based on conductivity [like a PPM meter] 
has it's nuances [as does a PPM meter], but better than nothing. [or a 
clock/timer, which is pretty close to nothing ]


Ode


At 01:58 PM 12/3/2012 -0600, you wrote:

I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
appreciated (Ode).

On 12/3/12, Alex Flex  wrote:
> Thanks Ode,
>
> Two questions remain 
>
> If they use hyrogen peroxide in the process at HVAC, wouldnt that also
> produce only silver particles, I had the understanding it did?
> Does this Ag4O4 offer increased bioavailability then regular ionic silver?
>
> Thanks
> Alex
>
> On 12/03/2012 04:59 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>>
>>
>>   They get the oxide coating by using peroxide in the process. [They
>> don't say where, when or how much]
>> At higher AC frequencies, the voltage has to be high enough to get the
>> ion going fast enough to get away from the electrodes so the polarity
>> reversal every 50th or 60th of a second won't suck them back on.
>> The results are the same using slow frequency, low voltage AC.
>>  A higher frequency in a given voltage range tends to favor Silver
>> Oxide formation whereas a slower frequency tends to favor Silver
>> Hydroxide.
>>
>> Ode
>>
>>
>> At 10:10 PM 12/1/2012 -0600, you wrote:
>>> Hello Guys...
>>>
>>> Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS
>>> i know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer,
>>> b.) Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens
>>> because it lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged
>>> pathogens) and c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal
>>> multiple electronics instead of one comapred to the ION which can
>>> only steal one.
>>>
>>> My question is:
>>>
>>> a.) Who makes this compound? I have seen ASAP from American Biotech
>>> Labs (http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) however their patent (
>>> http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ) tells about making colloids
>>> (99% particles) so I dont understand how they get the Ag4O4 coating?
>>> Or os it that simply but doing an HVAC process we automatically get
>>> the Ag4O4 coatings on the particles?
>>>
>>> b.) Does anybody know of other products that work with Ag4O4?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>>
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CS>silver source

[Ode Coyote]

 www.atlasnova.com
www.ccsilver.com


Bulk:
www.reliablesilver.com

Ode



At 01:04 PM 12/3/2012 -0800, you wrote:
Thank you Neville but one more thing. Where do you buy your silver? I have 
an old maker but needing silver and on facebook (as sarahleemiller) and 
that had puzzled me what Steve had said. I had some I had bought which 
someone else must have needed but don't remember his name; was off ebay anyway.

Leslie

--- On Mon, 12/3/12, Neville Munn  wrote:


From: Neville Munn 
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 2:51 PM



> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is 
it made?

> From: sarahmiller...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford. Steve
> Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
> absorb better in your system? But is expensive. All advice
> appreciated (Ode).
>
Like...this bloke would know I'm sure???  His sales pitch matches all the 
rest of the generator pushers out there.  "Buy mine, it's the best".Bunkum!


He's wrong on both counts, it's not the best machine out there, they all 
produce the same thing, and the product his machine produces won't absorb 
in your system any better than the most economically home made machine of 
a 3 or 4 nine battery setup will produce.  Don't believe half of what 
marketers and machine pushers say, and ignore the rest of what they say.


N.

Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks, Ode.  You are the best de-bunker around!
PT





From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, December 4, 2012 8:33:14 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it  made?



  Barwick is a fear mongering deceptive cr double oh k and that CS maker is 
worth about $50. [$350 worth of bluff and BS]
His ad copy is designed to "Phish for Ignorance" and sort out the "Believers" 
who will not question anything, especially their own judgement [perfect "Marks" 
], makes no sense and is full of mixed terms and direct contradictions..and he 
knows it. [Will thump Bible and hurl childish insults if challanged]
His blogs are edited to ferret out any question or dissent [total control of 
content] to maintain the appearance of perfection and god hood.
Floods the media with 'bait and switch' articles with fearful headlines, 
negated 
in fine print, buried on page 4. [I screamed at you to be very afraid, but 
didn't mean what I said..if you believed the headline, you need to learn how to 
read past second grade level...and that's a quote. ]
Steve spends a lot more money on "advertising" [con games]  than product 
function and quality.

Contents: [from memory]
1] partially disassembled aquarium pump [$5 at walmart]
1] .02 cent 1/4 watt resistor to limit current to 40 milliamps [prevents fires 
if electrodes short together]
1] $3 transformer to drop line voltage
1] $1-$2 rectifier bridge to get DC
1] capacitor to smooth the ripples [maybe]
1] LED to show it's running
1] big nearly empty box [$8] with a tamper seal and dire warning so you won't 
look inside to see how empty and shoddy it all is. [ judicious use of a heat 
gun 
gets around that ]
..but it does seem to work OK...and all those bubbles between the electrodes 
probably do reduce current draw significantly.
Repeatable results?  Don't see how.

Ionic silver is ions.
 Silver Ions , by definition, only come in ONE size...period.
NO CS maker using water and electricity makes anything BUT ions. HVAC, HVDC, 
LVAC, LVDCall ions.
Particles come later according to environment.
MOST of the particles are not pure silver [Mostly AgOH and AgO plus whatever 
was 
formed by reaction with various water contaminants...some of which probably 
comes from air dissolving into the watervia bubbler? ]
There are ways to tweek the environment and a good generator design can get a 
handle on some factors, but generally so many variables in the home environment 
that total control is impossible. [Fortunately **usage** gives us a lot of 
leeway ]
 Affordable real time monitoring based on conductivity [like a PPM meter] has 
it's nuances [as does a PPM meter], but better than nothing. [or a clock/timer, 
which is pretty close to nothing ]

Ode


At 01:58 PM 12/3/2012 -0600, you wrote:

I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
>Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
>absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
>appreciated (Ode).
>
>On 12/3/12, Alex Flex  wrote:
>> Thanks Ode,
>>
>> Two questions remain 
>>
>> If they use hyrogen peroxide in the process at HVAC, wouldnt that also
>> produce only silver particles, I had the understanding it did?
>> Does this Ag4O4 offer increased bioavailability then regular ionic silver?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Alex
>>
>> On 12/03/2012 04:59 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   They get the oxide coating by using peroxide in the process. [They
>>> don't say where, when or how much]
>>> At higher AC frequencies, the voltage has to be high enough to get the
>>> ion going fast enough to get away from the electrodes so the polarity
>>> reversal every 50th or 60th of a second won't suck them back on.
>>> The results are the same using slow frequency, low voltage AC.
>>>  A higher frequency in a given voltage range tends to favor Silver
>>> Oxide formation whereas a slower frequency tends to favor Silver
>>> Hydroxide.
>>>
>>> Ode
>>>
>>>
>>> At 10:10 PM 12/1/2012 -0600, you wrote:
 Hello Guys...

 Iam a bit confused, as far as I understand there exists 3 types of CS
 i know of: a.) Ionic based (What we all produce at home and prefer,
 b.) Particle based (which is said to not be able to kill pathogens
 because it lacks the positive charge that atracts negatively charged
 pathogens) and c.) The Ag4O4 compund which has the ability to steal
 multiple electronics instead of one comapred to the ION which can
 only steal one.

 My question is:

 a.) Who makes this compound? I have seen ASAP from American Biotech
 Labs (http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) however their patent (
 http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 ) tells about making colloids
 (99% particles) so I dont understand how they get the Ag4O4 coating?
 Or os it that simply but doing an HVAC process we automatically get
 the Ag4O4 coatings on the particles?

 b.) Does anyb

Re: CS>Taking CS in morning with vitamins?

[sol]

V wrote:

Thank you for the link.
I was also wondering if there is a problem with taking CS  at the same 
time
you take your vitamins in the morning? 
I also wonder about adding it to pets drinking water. If you are 
supposed to make

it with distilled water, is there a problem with adding it to tap water?

Oh, I can't think of the right word at the moment, but the silver ions 
combine with chemicals and minerals in tap water and form particles that 
drop out of solution. Thus reducing the amount of silver pets actually 
are drinking. I give my cats straight CS to drink. If I do need to 
dilute the CS I use distilled water. My cats also have filtered tap 
water available so they can choose which to drink.

sol


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Re: CS>Has anyone investigated this substance?

[Jim Holmes]

Will do.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Manuel Abad wrote:

>  Hello Jim
>
> Yes indeed .. Iam also investigating such claims so iam particular
> attracted to the answer to your postings regarding Ag4O4.
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
>
> On 12/03/2012 11:09 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:
>
> I like the geometry, no matter what.
>
> Multiple Modes of Action
>
> Testing has uncovered multiple modes of action by which the ABL Metallic
> Nano-silver Particle functions. First, it has an ability to steal multiple
> electrons (compared to ionic silvers which can only steal one). Second,
> each particle is permanently embedded with a resonant frequency, which
> allows the particles to have a positive effect on things, without needing
> direct contact with them. Lastly, the particles also utilize a very useful
> electrostatic charge.
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>Ordinary Sol and Tetra-oxide.

[Marshall]

I wish I knew, but have no experience or research on Ag4O4 at all.

Marshall

On 12/4/2012 12:01 AM, Jim Holmes wrote:

Marshall, et al,

If you have previously addressed this, please direct me to the 
approximate place.  If not;


1.  Is there a benefit from the tetraoxide that cannot be obtained 
with properly routed and dosed Sol/Ionic mix made today with many 
vulgar electrolytic process and if so, what are they?


2.  If there is a significant advantage, can you point me in the 
direction of practical instruction?


3.  Studies?   Where would one look?

Only when and if you have interest and time. Thank you for your years 
of generous expertise.


You are my anchor point in this maelstrom.

Be Well,

  Jim



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Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Tel Tofflemire]

 Leslie, 
The last sentence in Your post is the best ! All Colloidal Silver will help 
whatever you want it to help.  
Believe me, all these special names for Colloidal are just that ! Names.. You 
can name your New Colloidal Master, Georgia Peach, or Bug Killer, or whatever, 
but that don't make it so?
Most of the homemade Devices are very Vulnerable to wear and tear, But the 
better units will last almost forever. I have the Colloidal Master, put out by 
a very nice couple in northern Minnesota, I bought mine when I was in Phoenix 
and they were in Idaho. I am still using it at least on a weekly basis, and I 
have never had any problems with it ever. It cost me $150.00 But I seen them on 
line for $120.00 last week. They were under the name Wishgranted.com, That used 
to be their theme, then they dropped it for a number of years I think?  Anyway 
I have used mine for over 20 years !  It makes as strong or as weak CS as you 
need. Directions come with it and you can call and ask questions,any time.

Tel Tofflemire



 From: Leslie 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
 

Thank you Neville but one more thing. Where do you buy your silver? I have an 
old maker but needing silver and on facebook (as sarahleemiller) and that had 
puzzled me what Steve had said. I had some I had bought which someone else must 
have needed but don't remember his name; was off ebay anyway.
Leslie

--- On Mon, 12/3/12, Neville Munn  wrote:


>From: Neville Munn 
>Subject: RE: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
>To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 2:51 PM
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600
>> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
>> From: sarahmiller...@gmail.com
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> 
>> I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
>> Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
>> absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
>> appreciated (Ode).
>> 
>Like...this bloke would know I'm sure???  His sales pitch matches all the rest 
>of the generator pushers out there.  "Buy mine, it's the best".Bunkum!
>
>
>He's wrong on both counts, it's not the best machine out there, they all 
>produce the same thing, and the product his machine produces won't absorb in 
>your system any better than the most economically home made machine of a 3 or 
>4 nine battery setup will produce.  Don't believe half of what marketers and 
>machine pushers say, and ignore the rest of what they say.
>
>
>N. 

Re: CS>reverse osmosis water

[Malcolm]

Hi,
This question has come up before, sometimes as a concern that the
demineralized water was going to leach the minerals from one's body.
That's simply not so.  While it is true that ultra-pure water is noted
as being an excellent solvent, you could make up for the supposed
leaching by eating one sprig of broccoli, perhaps every week or so - it
would make up for Way more than could potentially be removed by any
solvent action of the water.

Usually a mineral deficiency is due to the foods we eat being grown on
soil that is low in that mineral, for instance look up Iodine and Goiter
on Google.  Another factor of growing (eww! Bad Pun!) concern is the use
of genetically modified plants, which often gain their economic
advantage by being short of certain minerals in enzymes that pests
utilize to their own advantage, and to the plant's disadvantage; of
course this modification also cripples the plant's own abilities to
accomplish whatever it had developed that enzyme or messenger molecule
to do.

Hopes this helps, not to worry.
Malcolm

On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 15:53 -0600, Kathy Tankersley wrote:
> I've been using reverse osmosis water for years and just found out
> that all the minerals are taken out of it.  I need some infput as to
> how to re-mineralize it..thanks...Kathy



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Re: CS>reverse osmosis water

[Kathy Tankersley]

Thank you so much,  this set my mind at ease..
- Original Message - 
From: "Malcolm" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>reverse osmosis water



Hi,
This question has come up before, sometimes as a concern that the
demineralized water was going to leach the minerals from one's body.
That's simply not so.  While it is true that ultra-pure water is noted
as being an excellent solvent, you could make up for the supposed
leaching by eating one sprig of broccoli, perhaps every week or so - it
would make up for Way more than could potentially be removed by any
solvent action of the water.

Usually a mineral deficiency is due to the foods we eat being grown on
soil that is low in that mineral, for instance look up Iodine and Goiter
on Google.  Another factor of growing (eww! Bad Pun!) concern is the use
of genetically modified plants, which often gain their economic
advantage by being short of certain minerals in enzymes that pests
utilize to their own advantage, and to the plant's disadvantage; of
course this modification also cripples the plant's own abilities to
accomplish whatever it had developed that enzyme or messenger molecule
to do.

Hopes this helps, not to worry.
Malcolm

On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 15:53 -0600, Kathy Tankersley wrote:

I've been using reverse osmosis water for years and just found out
that all the minerals are taken out of it.  I need some infput as to
how to re-mineralize it..thanks...Kathy




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CS>IV-7

[Renee]

Anybody see the 'great new product' IV-7?  Here's a disguised sales article
for it

http://www.articlesbase.com/mlm-articles/is-iv-7-ultimate-germ-defense-a-sca
m-2508844.html  the guy that developed Ocean's Alive, Ian Clark, says that
it worked for him.  he drank one half ounce once a day for 2 weeks and his
cyst filled up (that's how he tells if he's detoxing) and then after 2 weeks
it was just gone.  

 

The article above says it is a mix of ionic silver and citric acid.  Is this
something we could make at home?  Or is it just the silver itself that is
getting people well, and it has nothing to do with a chemical mix of CS and
citric?

 

Thoughts?

 

Samala, 

Renee

 

CS>Lipo CS + urine for AIDS?

[mgperrault]

Whacky thought for you. Sorry, it may have no basis in reality.  But I 
just read that


"It is known that the Urine of AIDS patients contains Antibodies to the 
HIV virus
(but not the actual HIV virus) that causes AIDS and it has been 
speculated that oral
administration of these Antibodies to HIV via Urine Therapy may be 
responsible for the

effectiveness of Urine Therapy in AIDS patients."

Well, I dont know if that is true.   But another thing that has occurred 
to me recently is that the Peyers patches in the small intestine are 
where the majority of nanoparticles are absorbed. Peyers patches have an 
immunological function.  Liposomes are consumed by macrophages. The fate 
of liposomes may be a preferential absorption by M cells in the Peyers 
patches with subsequent monocyte phagocytosis.  Macrophage consumption 
of antibodies can spur a targeted  immune response systemically via 
lymphocytes and other immune cells.  So the outlandish idea is that 
maybe you could protect the CS from combining with stomach HCL via 
liposomes, they would make their treacherous way to the small intestine, 
get absorbed by the peyers patches and said CS...be it ions or colloid 
particlesmay be tagged and shuttled by the addition of the 
antibodies of the urine that you...ahemadded to the CS/ lipo mix.


OK, just a thought



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