CS>RE : Argyia and pottery water filters - posted by Reid Harvey

[Carlene Yasak]

I'm responding to your post regarding argyia on the silverlist.

Regarding heavy metal chelation, I still have several teeth with mercury
amalgams and I regularly use natural chelators to eliminate mercury. I
suggest that in addition to laser treatments you also help your body
eliminate silver and other metals with a natural chelator like zeolite
powder or serrapeptase.  I found serrapeptase on Amazon in Europe at a
reasonable price.  Zeolite is available everywhere ; it is the crushed
mineral used in cat litter boxes.  More finely crushed it is used to
chelate heavy metals like mercury, silver, aluminum, etc from the body. It
is also sold as activated zeolite powder which I assume seems it has
radioactive properties.  (1 teaspoon three times a day in a glass of
water--drink with a plastic straw because its gritty.) DMSA is used for the
same purpose in medically supervised protocols or to self treat, but is
suitable in the short term. You want something long term.

You mention you are already working with clay. In France Monmorillonite
clay (green clay) is also used as a chelator of heavy metals.  The clay is
green because it contains plant fossils. One teaspoon of clay powder in a
large glass of water (stir with a wooden or plastic spoon).  Do this in the
evening.  In the morning, drink only the water and put the sediment  in
your garden. This eliminates the risk of constipation from consuming clay
and is an inexpensive long term treatment with many other health benefits.
 Clay also has radioactive properties.  Have you tried testing clay mud
packs on part of your body to see if they help?

In TCM, lung toxicity would be a first consideration, then the liver, but
the treatment would still address environmental factors.

Just a few thoughts I want to share with you.
Wishing you well and looking forward to hearing of your progress on the
list.

Best wishes,

Carlene

CS>quiet...

[M.G. Devour]

> > Everyone is still passed out from Memorial Day

I know that's true for me. We just finished up rebuilding the patio, all
in a rush to be ready for a party we were throwing last Sunday. A huge
lot of work, pushing ourselves to exhaustion and beyond. Succeeded, and
enjoyed the party, but haven't wanted to do a *thing* all week except
recover.

Got to operate a Bobcat, though. 

http://www.bobcat.com/loaders/models/skidsteer/s70

Summertime is usually marked by quiet periods on the list, but going a
week at a time without a post has been rare. 

Be well,

Mike D.

> 


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Re: CS>quiet...

[Deborah Gerard]

Mike...hi!...question for you...do you ever buy your distilled water from 
Meijer's for brewing?
Thanks my dear,
Debbie :)
 


 From: M.G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:37 AM
Subject: CS>quiet...
  



> > Everyone is still passed out from Memorial Day

I know that's true for me. We just finished up rebuilding the patio, all
in a rush to be ready for a party we were throwing last Sunday. A huge
lot of work, pushing ourselves to exhaustion and beyond. Succeeded, and
enjoyed the party, but haven't wanted to do a *thing* all week except
recover.

Got to operate a Bobcat, though. 

http://www.bobcat.com/loaders/models/skidsteer/s70

Summertime is usually marked by quiet periods on the list, but going a
week at a time without a post has been rare. 

Be well,

Mike D.

> 


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Re: CS>quiet...

[PT Ferrance]

Now that's a toy to play with! :-)
PT





From: M.G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, June 2, 2013 11:37:54 AM
Subject: CS>quiet...



> > Everyone is still passed out from Memorial Day

I know that's true for me. We just finished up rebuilding the patio, all
in a rush to be ready for a party we were throwing last Sunday. A huge
lot of work, pushing ourselves to exhaustion and beyond. Succeeded, and
enjoyed the party, but haven't wanted to do a *thing* all week except
recover.

Got to operate a Bobcat, though. 

http://www.bobcat.com/loaders/models/skidsteer/s70

Summertime is usually marked by quiet periods on the list, but going a
week at a time without a post has been rare. 

Be well,

Mike D.

> 


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Re: CS>argyria, laser treatment and a guarantee?

[Rowena]

I imagine your question is directed at Reid Harvey; he mentioned in 
February that he had used a Mexican silver product used for treating 
salad vegetables, Microdyn.


Reid, do you think it is only the Microdyn that might be responsible, or 
do you think working with silver played a part? You also mentioned 
taking yellowish CS - how much of a problem is that thought to be 
generally? Did you use distilled water exclusively in Bangladesh, Nepal 
and Africa or locally available water (like the man in the US who made 
his with tap water, and admitted it, but quite liked being bluish and 
didn't really stop doing it.)


I remember when there was a lot of discussion of the silver water 
filters; I often wondered how things went with them. Congratulations on 
what you have achieved.


Rowena



"Does CS cause Argyria - turning gray?"
Neville Mun said in October last:
Well CS might, but what we produce won't.

Everyone may have differing opinions on this one, so I'll get in with 
mine . What we make is (1) NOT colloidal silver {CS}, and (2) It 
won't cause Argyria because it's predominantly Ag+ ions and not neutral 
charged particles which are in higher numbers by ratio and as such won't 
collect in tissue, besides it doesn't stay in the system long enough. 
What we make in the kitchen is a predominantly Ionic Silver Solution, 
and what particles there are, are far too small and in less quantity to 
cause any cosmetic issue.


Of course I can't speak for Dave, or anyone else who may have consumed 
or used large quantities for an extended amount of time, but if not 
consumed in large volumes or for an extended period of time as far as 
I'm concerned it won't cause Argyria. There has not been one case of the 
consumption or use of our product reported by the FDA or our TGA as 
having resulted in Argyria. Every report they waffle on about refer to 
that product called 'CS' or 'Colloidal Silver', and most refer to silver 
nitrates, silver acetates, solutions produced by people who are ignorant 
or wilfully go against the correct production procedure, or a product 
containing a form of stabiliser {usually higher ppm level products} and 
a host of other 'stuff?' of which is not what we produce.


To recap: My opinion...NO, EIS {Electrolytically Isolated Silver} or a 
'predominantly Ionic Silver Solution' will not cause Argyria.


and Steve G said:
Any time someone makes claims of argyria from colloidal silver there are 
a number of things that you need to take into consideration before 
concluding that CS was indeed the culprit.


1 - the term Colloidal Silver is sometimes used very loosely to describe 
any sort of silver-containing liquid compound regardless of how it was 
made. Only EIS, electrically isolated silver should be used.


2 - Did the person make their own CS? They must be careful to do it 
right. The jars used should be rinsed with distilled water, then 
emptied, then they can be filled with distilled water. Some people like 
to put tap water in to save on the small expense, or perhaps to put in a 
pinch of salt. Both of these strategies will result in a much quicker 
batch processing time, but will NOT result in real CS as there will be 
unpredictable silver salts created as a result. Paul Karason used salt 
as a primer for years for his 'CS' which has resulted in a deep blue 
skin condition. This stuff is not poisonous and IS effective and Paul 
has not stopped taking it. I guess once you turn blue why bother to stop 
taking that which keeps you healthy?


3 - How much CS/EIS is the person taking? Taking an ounce or so a day of 
10 - 20ppm should normally be adequate for protection. Taking large 
doses for serious illnesses such as lyme disease, syphilis, or other 
terrible diseases may be warranted in the short run, but a maintenance 
dose of 8 ounces or so a day seems to be overkill. Even properly 
prepared colloidal silver over time can, I understand, cause argyria in 
some people if taken long enough.


4 - Early warning signs. The first place a color change will show up 
normally, is in the 'moons' of the fingernail beds. Get in the habit of 
checking them out daily if you are taking a lot of CS. If they have 
started to turn grey or blue, it is time to reassess what you're doing.


Finally, I have read some time back in this mailing list about a guy who 
cured himself of a very serious late-stage 'fatal' illness (it may have 
been syphilis) by using megadoses of some silver tincture preparation 
over the course of several months. He regained his health, but turned 
blue. Argyria is supposedly permanent, but according to his tale, he 
reversed his blue skin condition by switching to pure EIS/CS for some 
time. Later, to prove a point, he took the silver tincture and resumed 
his argyria condition, then cured himself of it again via EIS/CS.


I haven't experienced this myself, and am not anxious to. It may be that 
some people are susceptible to argyria and some are not, or that for 
some, argyria

CS>Re: Argyria... plus pottery water filters

[A. Reid Harvey]

Carlene,

Thanks! ...and your suggestions are of the very sort, for which I've been 
hoping.  I'll be sharing these with my dermatologist, who's doing the laser 
treatment.

Being in Kenya, in case he has to import these chelators, it'll be way easier 
for him, than it would be for me.  

You mentioned that you'd been on the List for twelve years, so you got on at 
just about the time that I got off.  

I was on from 2000 to 2004 during the four years that my family lived in 
Bangladesh and in Nepal.  (Our pottery filters were also something of a success 
in Nepal.)

Reid

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-Original Message-
From: Carlene Yasak 
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:01:29 
To: ; 
Subject: RE : Argyia and pottery water filters - posted by Reid Harvey




I'm responding to your post regarding argyia on the silverlist.  


Regarding heavy metal chelation, I still have several teeth with mercury 
amalgams and I regularly use natural chelators to eliminate mercury. I suggest 
that in addition to laser treatments you also help your body eliminate silver 
and other metals with a natural chelator like zeolite powder or serrapeptase.  
I found serrapeptase on Amazon in Europe at a reasonable price.  Zeolite is 
available everywhere ; it is the crushed mineral used in cat litter boxes.  
More finely crushed it is used to chelate heavy metals like mercury, silver, 
aluminum, etc from the body. It is also sold as activated zeolite powder which 
I assume seems it has radioactive properties.  (1 teaspoon three times a day in 
a glass of water--drink with a plastic straw because its gritty.) DMSA is used 
for the same purpose in medically supervised protocols or to self treat, but is 
suitable in the short term. You want something long term. 


You mention you are already working with clay. In France Monmorillonite clay 
(green clay) is also used as a chelator of heavy metals.  The clay is green 
because it contains plant fossils. One teaspoon of clay powder in a large glass 
of water (stir with a wooden or plastic spoon).  Do this in the evening.  In 
the morning, drink only the water and put the sediment  in your garden. This 
eliminates the risk of constipation from consuming clay and is an inexpensive 
long term treatment with many other health benefits.  Clay also has radioactive 
properties.  Have you tried testing clay mud packs on part of your body to see 
if they help?   


In TCM, lung toxicity would be a first consideration, then the liver, but the 
treatment would still address environmental factors.


Just a few thoughts I want to share with you. 
Wishing you well and looking forward to hearing of your progress on the list.


Best wishes,


Carlene 


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Re: CS>quiet...

[M.G. Devour]

Dear Debbie,

Yeah, we often buy our distilled water from Meijer's. Also have used
Spartan house brand and Absopure. The only problem I've had with any of
them is the one time I bought "spring water" by mistake and didn't
notice until after I'd tried to make a batch! 

Be well,

Mike D.


On Sun, 2013-06-02 at 08:47 -0700, Deborah Gerard wrote:
> Mike...hi!...question for you...do you ever buy your distilled water
> from Meijer's for brewing?
> Thanks my dear,
> Debbie :)
> 
> 
> 
> From: M.G. Devour 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:37 AM
> Subject: CS>quiet...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > Everyone is still passed out from Memorial Day
> 
> I know that's true for me. We just finished up rebuilding the patio,
> all
> in a rush to be ready for a party we were throwing last Sunday. A huge
> lot of work, pushing ourselves to exhaustion and beyond. Succeeded,
> and
> enjoyed the party, but haven't wanted to do a *thing* all week except
> recover.
> 
> Got to operate a Bobcat, though. 
> 
> http://www.bobcat.com/loaders/models/skidsteer/s70
> 
> Summertime is usually marked by quiet periods on the list, but going a
> week at a time without a post has been rare. 
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Mike D.
> 
> > 
> 
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