Re: CS>Checking distilled water quality

[James McDonald]

I just of never heard of "Not for drinking" distilled water before! I don't 
think it would be distilled if it is not drinkable, that could be where your 
stomach upset came from




 From: Andreas Hahn 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Checking distilled water quality
 

I do happen to be a bit sick (the powerful antioxidants of the cloves have 
been helping, as has garlic), but this reaction is characteristic of "I 
just put something in me I shouldn't have." Nothing at all like the 
reaction I get after a few cloves and a few cloves of garlic! Even a shot 
at H202 therapy (drop of 3% in a 200ml drinking glass full of water) 
did not produce this, though it did produce other undesirable side 
effects.

Based on your previous message, I'm guessing the store-bought 
do-not-drink-labeled distilled water was not stored or processed in a 
potable and bacteria free manner.

Presumably bacteria or whatever don't show up on a conductivity test.



On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Tony Moody wrote:
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> It could be that the small dose of a teaspoon could have caused die-off and 
> that would cause
> your body to react. Do you suspect that you are very toxic?  A high microbial 
> load in
> stomach?
>
> Instructions usually are to start off slowly.
>
> OK,
> Tony
>
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Re: CS>Checking distilled water quality

[Andreas Hahn]

I do happen to be a bit sick (the powerful antioxidants of the cloves have 
been helping, as has garlic), but this reaction is characteristic of "I 
just put something in me I shouldn't have." Nothing at all like the 
reaction I get after a few cloves and a few cloves of garlic! Even a shot 
at H202 therapy (drop of 3% in a 200ml drinking glass full of water) 
did not produce this, though it did produce other undesirable side 
effects.


Based on your previous message, I'm guessing the store-bought 
do-not-drink-labeled distilled water was not stored or processed in a 
potable and bacteria free manner.


Presumably bacteria or whatever don't show up on a conductivity test.



On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Tony Moody wrote:


Hi Andreas,

It could be that the small dose of a teaspoon could have caused die-off and 
that would cause
your body to react. Do you suspect that you are very toxic?  A high microbial 
load in
stomach?

Instructions usually are to start off slowly.

OK,
Tony


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Re: CS>Checking distilled water quality

[Tony Moody]

On 5 Jun 2013 at 20:59, Andreas Hahn wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>Checking distilled water qua

> Thanks for the advice all. I took a teaspoon-sized sip of the slighly
> yellowish brew and my stomach is not happy with me. Some cloves and lots
> of water settled things down a bit. Evidently I either need to adjust
> dosing or get some better distilled water. I haven't seen gastrointestinal
> upset linked with CS on any website so far, is there any reason at all to
> suspect the CS as the cause?
> 
> 

Hi Andreas,

It could be that the small dose of a teaspoon could have caused die-off and 
that would cause 
your body to react. Do you suspect that you are very toxic?  A high microbial 
load in 
stomach? 

Instructions usually are to start off slowly. 

OK,
Tony


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Re: CS>Checking distilled water quality

[Tony Moody]

Hi Andreas,

Try sipping some of the distilled water and see if that reacts? 

I find ginger or mint is also effective calming an upset tummy. :-)

Hmmm. Usually cs is quite soothing to the stomach. The slight yellow is just 
indicative of 
larger particle size, not number of particles, and that is unlikely to cause 
upsets.   
You should not be getting larger particles unless the current is high ( should 
be less than 
1mA / square inch anode area, Max.  Or there is contamination. The most usual 
contamination is soap or detergent.  

OK,
Tony

On 5 Jun 2013 at 20:59, Andreas Hahn wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>Checking distilled water qua

> Thanks for the advice all. I took a teaspoon-sized sip of the slighly
> yellowish brew and my stomach is not happy with me. Some cloves and lots
> of water settled things down a bit. Evidently I either need to adjust
> dosing or get some better distilled water. I haven't seen gastrointestinal
> upset linked with CS on any website so far, is there any reason at all to
> suspect the CS as the cause?
> 
> 



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Re: CS>Checking distilled water quality

[Andreas Hahn]

Thanks for the advice all. I took a teaspoon-sized sip of the slighly 
yellowish brew and my stomach is not happy with me. Some cloves and lots 
of water settled things down a bit. Evidently I either need to adjust 
dosing or get some better distilled water. I haven't seen gastrointestinal 
upset linked with CS on any website so far, is there any reason at all to 
suspect the CS as the cause?



On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Gregory Schaller wrote:


James, on the COM-100 can it be used to test for "purity" of distilled water
as well as "strength" (ppm or other) of "CS" solution?

Your answer greatly appreciated,

GS


From: James McDonald 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Checking distilled water quality

I use a COM-100 EC/TDS/TEMP tester by HM Digital and would recommend this 
tester. It works very well and has three different non-linear EC-to-TDS 
conversion factors (KCl, 442TM, NaCl) as well as
temp.



From: Jason 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Checking distilled water quality

Hi Andreas:

What is the conductance tester you are using?  I only have experience
with a PWT (which is designed to test pure water).

It really shouldn't be off the chart.  Any PWT or TDS meter should be
able to read close to 1000 PPM.

FYI:  Rinsing with distilled water won't remove any actual residue in
the glass container.

To ensure total cleanliness:

1.  Use a bit of 3% H2O2 in teh glass container, and wipe down
thoroughly with a clean white paper towel.  Leave a tiny amount of H2O2
in place for a few minutes before drying.

2.  Rinse with distilled water

3.  Dry with a clean white paper towel.

4.  If you're a stickler for details, rinse once more with a tiny amount
of distilled water (to remove any tiny fibers from the paper towel).

I never use any type of soap product in any container I plan on brewing
CS in.

There are alot of contaminants that may not affect conductivity.
However, distilled water is regulated, and while I don't agree with the
current standards, contamination shouldn't be a great issue.

~Jason

On 6/4/2013 10:58 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote:
> Hi Jason,
> Thanks for the fast reply. Since the bottle of store bought stuff says
> "not for drinking," are there any unhealthy contaminants that would
> still pass the conductivity test?
>
> The brewed CS is too conductive for my conductance tester, using an
> ohmmeter produces a resistance of around 40k ohms. I did wash out the
> glass in question thoroughly and then rinsed it with distilled water
> before brewing, so there's little chance of anything substantial having
> stayed behind on the glass.
>
>
> On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Jason wrote:
>
>> Hi Andreas:
>>
>> A PWT reading of 0.5 uS is great...  perfect for making CS.
>>
>> You can also check the pH (although I'm usually dissapointed with
>> store bought water pH) if you're worried about the quality.
>>
>> The distilled water that I make at home is 0.3 uS, pH ~7.0.
>>
>> I think that most of the commercial steam distillers must leave their
>> production vessels open to air, as it usually tests acidic.  However,
>> CO2 doesn't seem to really affect the production process, unless high
>> voltage is used (which pulls nitrogen from the air into the water,
>> also making the end product acidic).
>>
>> Most home brew production setups result in some oxidized silver
>> residue settling on the bottom of the container.
>>
>> Test the conductivity of your final brew to be certain that your
>> container didn't have some residue, and then use a laser light to look
>> for particulate silver (and see how many, if any, large particles of
>> silver are in the brew).
>>
>> It's not a perfect science, but with practice you'll be able to tell a
>> fantastic batch of CS in comparison to a mediocre (or bad) batch.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> On 6/4/2013 10:23 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I would like to use store-bought distilled water for making CS. Testing
>>> with a conductance meter reveals very low conductance (0.5
>>> microsiemens). Is there any other thing to check?
>>>
>>> I made about 200ml CS in a glass with it and it produced a brownish
>>> particulate residue that settled to the bottom. I'm not experienced with
>>> making CS, so I don't know whether this is normal or indicative of bad
>>> water.
>>>
>>>
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