Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Tony Moody]

On 27 Aug 2015 at 17:55, John Popelish wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

> On 08/27/2015 05:43 PM, Steve wrote:
> > There is also a big difference when pulsing bio north
> > magnetic energy which has many positive healing benefits.
> > Google it.
> 
> I don't see how this could be real. Magnetic field lined are
> loops and north and south poles are just arbitrary human
> ideas about what to call the sides of planes through space
> that cut across these these loops. Poles are not inherent
> parts of magnetic flux. Sounds like religion, to me.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> John Popelish

___

Hi John,

My take is that it is pure science, as in observation, experience and 
repeatability. I think the 
reasoncould be based on that each pole will either "suck" or "blow" and based 
on that there is 
a difference. Put two magnets together: they know there is a difference. :-) 

OK,

Tony Moody 


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Steve Levine]

A few more:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=double+blind+trials+on+PEMF&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0CCkQgQMwAGoVChMI6oG2yvXKxwIVAZWICh1Lhwui

Note they may not say whether it was north or south or the frequency but the 
point is PEMFs are being used successfully in medicine and there have been 
double blind trails with positive results. No religion there.

I know it's not worth much to you but I have had some good pain relieving 
results with a SOTA magpulser as well. I love my placebo.

Steve
 John Popelish  wrote: 

=
On 08/27/2015 11:58 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:
> I was just being a bit playful John. I do think we need
> skepticism, as we are always under attack from false
> prophets, promises, and profiteers. In any case, I think
> PT's google search would put your mind at ease, as it was
> filled with double-blind tests showing clear efficacy.

I burned through a half dozen papers, so far, and found poor
experiment description (not reproducible, from the
description), arbitrary pulse frequency (DC to  Hz) and
amplitude, for no given reasons and slight positive effect,
if any.

We must be finding different papers, in that search.

So far, no mention of any positive effect of particular pole 
polarity.

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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[John Popelish]

On 08/27/2015 11:58 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

I was just being a bit playful John. I do think we need
skepticism, as we are always under attack from false
prophets, promises, and profiteers. In any case, I think
PT's google search would put your mind at ease, as it was
filled with double-blind tests showing clear efficacy.


I burned through a half dozen papers, so far, and found poor
experiment description (not reproducible, from the
description), arbitrary pulse frequency (DC to  Hz) and
amplitude, for no given reasons and slight positive effect,
if any.

We must be finding different papers, in that search.

So far, no mention of any positive effect of particular pole 
polarity.


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Lola Harris]

John, skepticism is always appropriate.  I think (just my opinion) that folks 
like us are probably more skeptical than the general population.  We do our 
research and our homework and then try things out.  If we weren't skeptics, we
would be broke and in pain and have deteriorating health (ie: falling for 
everything).  We learn to separate the gold from the drosslol..

I am sure we come across some duds from time to time but we also discover some
real gems along the way.  In the world of alternatives, it is the wild, wild
west 'out there' and there seems to be a wonder cure of the week so.. you learn
to develop a good 'bs' antennae, if you know what I mean.  For some things, a
double or single blind study is impossible... like DMSO.  One cannot duplicate
the odor that comes from using DMSO so, it works but it is impossible to 'test'
it and meet FDA standards.

I find it amusing at how vets are so open to 'alternatives' like DMSO and shark
cartilage for inflammation, for instance.  Their patients (like your dog) are
impervious to placebo effects and can't rationalize or verbalize their 
conditions.  
Something either works with the animals or it doesn't. Personally, I see nothing
wrong with a placebo effect. If it relieves a condition or pain... why not? They
say we only use a small fraction of our brain/mind capacity. So, who knows what
is going on with any certainty?  
Lola  





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Sent: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 23:38:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

On 08/27/2015 10:26 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:
> Uh... John...
>
> You do realize that we are kind of an underground
> mailing list for a reason, right? ;-) I.e. I don't think
> that many of us care a lot about peer reviewed
> publications in medical journals, as that is basically
> exclusive to big pharmaceutical companies, is often
> fraudulent (just like drug trials), or is suppressed when
> it concerns things outside of big pharma control.

That doesn't mean we have to be gullible. That just invites
the same sort of abuse from people competing with big
pharma. I'm open minded, but I try to not let my brain fall out.

But if reasonable scepticism is out of place here, then I
will bow out.

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John Popelish


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Victor Cozzetto]

I was just being a bit playful John. I do think we need skepticism, as we
are always under attack from false prophets, promises, and profiteers. In
any case, I think PT's google search would put your mind at ease, as it was
filled with double-blind tests showing clear efficacy.

Victor

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:38 PM, John Popelish  wrote:

> On 08/27/2015 10:26 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:
>
>> Uh... John...
>>
>> You do realize that we are kind of an underground
>> mailing list for a reason, right? ;-) I.e. I don't think
>> that many of us care a lot about peer reviewed
>> publications in medical journals, as that is basically
>> exclusive to big pharmaceutical companies, is often
>> fraudulent (just like drug trials), or is suppressed when
>> it concerns things outside of big pharma control.
>>
>
> That doesn't mean we have to be gullible. That just invites
> the same sort of abuse from people competing with big
> pharma. I'm open minded, but I try to not let my brain fall out.
>
> But if reasonable scepticism is out of place here, then I
> will bow out.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> John Popelish
>
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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Lola Harris]

I agree, PT.  I have been using magnets since the nineties when using magnets 
for health was pretty newand radical.
I bought two books (written by doctors who were probably considered mavericks 
in their day), read themand bought some Tectonic magnets with a healthy respect 
for using only therapeutic magnets, not magsthat you yank off your fridge, as 
well as a caution for using only the negative side of the mags except inrare 
and specific instances. I grilled Peter pretty good before I bought his bio- 
magnets.  They have proven to be everything he said theywould be... very 
powerful for their size and his advice and input is priceless.  He generously 
gives of his time and expertise.  I resolved a long standing neck/spinal 
problem using his magnets, one I had had for some thirtyyears as the result of 
a bad auto accident.  It is a rare day that I am not wearing his magnets 
somewhere on my body.  Yes... the biomags are that good.Lola  
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From: PT Ferrance 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 22:23:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

I don't need scientific "evidence" to tell me if something works or not. I live 
with pain and I use magnets... and they help more often than they don't.  I've 
been using them for 30+ years so I think I am long past placebo.
I have recently read some unkind words about Peter Kulish.  His magnets are a 
bit pricey but they come with a lifetime replacement warranty.  Their design is 
also extremely well thought out with indicators for polarity that can be 
discerned by both sight and touch.  Also, he is available to answer questions 
about treatment if people have any.

Do magnets work for everyone?  Of course not... but then I don't know anything 
that does!PT

From: John Popelish 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

On 08/27/2015 09:25 PM, Steve Levine wrote:> 
http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/THERAPIES/SOTA/magnetic_pulser.aspx>> 
Magnetic NORTH pole energy (Side of paddle labeled N) is used to:>>
Inactivate bacteria, fungi and viruses *>Reduce inflammation>Increase 
cellular energy production>Calm nerves>Destroy cancer cells>
Increase blood oxygen>Slow down OVER-active organs>Reduce pain>
Reduce congestion>Dissolve Fat>Increase alkalinity>Control 
bleedingHave double blind trials been done(where neither subject nor 
experimenterknows whether a subject has received a north pole,a south pole, or 
an inactive (placebo) device),for each of those effects,so that results could 
be tabulated,without human bias?Were these results publishedin a peer reviewed 
medical journal?If so, I would like to see that report.If not, we are back to 
religion(claims with no evidence).

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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[John Popelish]

On 08/27/2015 10:26 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

Uh... John...

You do realize that we are kind of an underground
mailing list for a reason, right? ;-) I.e. I don't think
that many of us care a lot about peer reviewed
publications in medical journals, as that is basically
exclusive to big pharmaceutical companies, is often
fraudulent (just like drug trials), or is suppressed when
it concerns things outside of big pharma control.


That doesn't mean we have to be gullible. That just invites
the same sort of abuse from people competing with big
pharma. I'm open minded, but I try to not let my brain fall out.

But if reasonable scepticism is out of place here, then I
will bow out.

--
Regards,

John Popelish


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[John Popelish]

On 08/27/2015 10:23 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

I don't need scientific "evidence" to tell me if
something works or not. I live with pain and I use
magnets... and they help more often than they don't.
I've been using them for 30+ years so I think I am long
past placebo.


You are the perfect person to have a long lasting placebo
effect. It doesn't expire after some number of days. You
have strong confidence that they are working and so they work.

I think you don't want to know whether you are benefiting
from placebo effect or actual biophysics. If you did, you
would have tried some control experiments, by now.

I wanted to know whether silver water was helping my dog's
chronic skin infection. So I used silver water one side and
plain water on the other side. It wasn't double blind, but
it was single blind. The dog didn't know what was used on
which side. The silver side healed while the plain water
side got worse.

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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Steve Levine]

Enjoy:

https://www.google.com/search?q=double+blind+trials+on+pulsed+magnet+field+healing&oq=dou&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i65l2j69i57j69i60.3915j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=double+blind+trials+on+pulsed+magnetic+field+healing


 John Popelish  wrote: 

=
On 08/27/2015 09:25 PM, Steve Levine wrote:
> http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/THERAPIES/SOTA/magnetic_pulser.aspx
>
> Magnetic NORTH pole energy (Side of paddle labeled N) is used to:
>
> Inactivate bacteria, fungi and viruses *
> Reduce inflammation
> Increase cellular energy production
> Calm nerves
> Destroy cancer cells
> Increase blood oxygen
> Slow down OVER-active organs
> Reduce pain
> Reduce congestion
> Dissolve Fat
> Increase alkalinity
> Control bleeding

Have double blind trials been done
(where neither subject nor experimenter
knows whether a subject has received a north pole,
a south pole, or an inactive (placebo) device),
for each of those effects,
so that results could be tabulated,
without human bias?

Were these results published
in a peer reviewed medical journal?

If so, I would like to see that report.

If not, we are back to religion
(claims with no evidence).

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John Popelish


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Victor Cozzetto]

Uh... John...

You do realize that we are kind of an underground mailing list for a
reason, right? ;-)  I.e. I don't think that many of us care a lot about
peer reviewed publications in medical journals, as that is basically
exclusive to big pharmaceutical companies, is often fraudulent (just like
drug trials), or is suppressed when it concerns things outside of big
pharma control.

Dr. Beck's work has a history of interesting issues regarding such, as his
work was methodically cut from publications in years past. And when I say
'cut' I mean that the work was physically cut with a razor to be removed
from publications in libraries. Just thought you would find that
interesting.

Victor

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:08 AM, John Popelish  wrote:

> On 08/27/2015 09:25 PM, Steve Levine wrote:
>
>> http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/THERAPIES/SOTA/magnetic_pulser.aspx
>>
>> Magnetic NORTH pole energy (Side of paddle labeled N ) is used to:
>>
>> Inactivate bacteria, fungi and viruses *
>> Reduce inflammation
>> Increase cellular energy production
>> Calm nerves
>> Destroy cancer cells
>> Increase blood oxygen
>> Slow down OVER-active organs
>> Reduce pain
>> Reduce congestion
>> Dissolve Fat
>> Increase alkalinity
>> Control bleeding
>>
>
> Have double blind trials been done
> (where neither subject nor experimenter
> knows whether a subject has received a north pole,
> a south pole, or an inactive (placebo) device),
> for each of those effects,
> so that results could be tabulated,
> without human bias?
>
> Were these results published
> in a peer reviewed medical journal?
>
> If so, I would like to see that report.
>
> If not, we are back to religion
> (claims with no evidence).
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> John Popelish
>
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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[PT Ferrance]

I don't need scientific "evidence" to tell me if something works or not. I live 
with pain and I use magnets... and they help more often than they don't.  I've 
been using them for 30+ years so I think I am long past placebo.
I have recently read some unkind words about Peter Kulish.  His magnets are a 
bit pricey but they come with a lifetime replacement warranty.  Their design is 
also extremely well thought out with indicators for polarity that can be 
discerned by both sight and touch.  Also, he is available to answer questions 
about treatment if people have any.

Do magnets work for everyone?  Of course not... but then I don't know anything 
that does!PT
  From: John Popelish 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:08 PM
 Subject: Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments
   
On 08/27/2015 09:25 PM, Steve Levine wrote:
> http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/THERAPIES/SOTA/magnetic_pulser.aspx
>
> Magnetic NORTH pole energy (Side of paddle labeled N) is used to:
>
>    Inactivate bacteria, fungi and viruses *
>    Reduce inflammation
>    Increase cellular energy production
>    Calm nerves
>    Destroy cancer cells
>    Increase blood oxygen
>    Slow down OVER-active organs
>    Reduce pain
>    Reduce congestion
>    Dissolve Fat
>    Increase alkalinity
>    Control bleeding

Have double blind trials been done
(where neither subject nor experimenter
knows whether a subject has received a north pole,
a south pole, or an inactive (placebo) device),
for each of those effects,
so that results could be tabulated,
without human bias?

Were these results published
in a peer reviewed medical journal?

If so, I would like to see that report.

If not, we are back to religion
(claims with no evidence).



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John Popelish


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Dan Nave]

"Currently, typical MRI utilizes static field with strengths of with
strengths of 0.5 to 3 Tesla 0.5 to 3 Tesla (FDA guideline is max 4 T for
infants < 1 month guideline is max 4 T for infants < 1 month and 8 T for
others) and 8 T for others) „ 1 Tesla = 10,000 Gauss 1 Tesla = 10,000 Gauss
„Magnetic field strength of the earth ~ 0.5 Magnetic field strength of the
earth ~ 0.5 Gauss"

"There has been mention of dizziness and There has been mention of
dizziness and disorientation of personnel and patients as disorientation of
personnel and patients as they move through a field of 4T or higher. they
move through a field of 4T or higher."

"There is There is no clinically significant effect no clinically
significant effect on heart rate, systolic and diastolic blood heart rate,
systolic and diastolic blood pressure, respiratory rate, core body
pressure, respiratory rate, core body temperature for static fields up to 8
T. temperature for static fields up to 8 T."

"Biological Effect of Biological Effect of Time -varying Magnetic Field (3)
varying Magnetic Field (3) „ The primary concerns with regard to time The
primary concerns with regard to time - varying fields are varying fields
are cardiac fibrillation cardiac fibrillation and brain stimulation brain
stimulation. „ But study showed that But study showed that the risk of
cardiac the risk of cardiac stimulation stimulation in present day MRI
gradient in present day MRI gradient fields is negligible. fields is
negligible."

etc...

quotes from <
https://www.temple.edu/medicine/departments_centers/clinical_departments/documents/MRI-safety-quiz.pdf
>

so, I think the original comment is incorrect...

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:06 PM, evelyn  wrote:

> I wanted to csution everyone about electromagnetic instruments.  Firstly,
> they are unsafe near the head - especilly for anyone with any kind of
> seizure disorder , alzheimers, or elecrical sensitivity.  Secondly, I saw
> on a website related to Dr. Beck's protocol an instrument for producing
> magnetic fields.  It said it produced mag fields in the strength of
> hundreds of gauss.  This is outrageous and could cause death in some
> people.   5 gauss for short exposures is a standard even OSHA uses. as a
> maximum.  Hundreds of gauss is something the whole neighborhood could
> feel.
>

Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[John Popelish]

On 08/27/2015 09:25 PM, Steve Levine wrote:

http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/THERAPIES/SOTA/magnetic_pulser.aspx

Magnetic NORTH pole energy (Side of paddle labeled N) is used to:

Inactivate bacteria, fungi and viruses *
Reduce inflammation
Increase cellular energy production
Calm nerves
Destroy cancer cells
Increase blood oxygen
Slow down OVER-active organs
Reduce pain
Reduce congestion
Dissolve Fat
Increase alkalinity
Control bleeding


Have double blind trials been done
(where neither subject nor experimenter
knows whether a subject has received a north pole,
a south pole, or an inactive (placebo) device),
for each of those effects,
so that results could be tabulated,
without human bias?

Were these results published
in a peer reviewed medical journal?

If so, I would like to see that report.

If not, we are back to religion
(claims with no evidence).

--
Regards,

John Popelish


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Steve Levine]

http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/THERAPIES/SOTA/magnetic_pulser.aspx

Magnetic NORTH pole energy (Side of paddle labeled “N”) is used to:

·Inactivate bacteria, fungi and viruses *
·Reduce inflammation
·Increase cellular energy production
·Calm nerves
·Destroy cancer cells
·Increase blood oxygen
·Slow down OVER-active organs
·Reduce pain
·Reduce congestion
·Dissolve Fat
·Increase alkalinity
·Control bleeding


 evelyn  wrote: 

=
Victor, what are the stats on your item?

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Victor Cozzetto 
wrote:

> Just FYI, I, and many of my family members have used the Magnetic Pulser
> from Sota Instruments for many years, and we have experienced nothing but
> health benefits. It has been used on every part of our bodies, and
> extensively on the head and gut in some instances. I used it to great
> effect to eliminate tooth abscess in the past, and periodically 'pulse' my
> entire head as a kind of routine maintenance.
>
> I have posted here before about my experiences with this device.
>
> And yea, I only use the North end, as indicated on the device.
>
> Victor
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:27 AM, evelyn  wrote:
>
>> Hundreds of gauss of any artificial magnetic field is unnatural.  If
>> something causes bioeffects, which benefit someone, that can harm someone
>> else.  Radiation therapy for cancer for exmple.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 2:39 PM, John Popelish 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It may make a lot of difference whether you are talking about head/full
>>> body exposure, or local exposure.  Your hands are exposed to hundreds of
>>> gauss when you hold a refrigerator magnet.
>>>
>>> On 08/27/2015 05:06 PM, evelyn wrote:
>>>
 I wanted to csution everyone about electromagnetic
 instruments.  Firstly, they are unsafe near the head -
 especilly for anyone with any kind of seizure disorder ,
 alzheimers, or elecrical sensitivity.  Secondly, I saw on a
 website related to Dr. Beck's protocol an instrument for
 producing magnetic fields.  It said it produced mag fields
 in the strength of hundreds of gauss.  This is outrageous
 and could cause death in some people.   5 gauss for short
 exposures is a standard even OSHA uses. as a maximum.Â
 Hundreds of gauss is something the whole neighborhood could
 feel.Â

>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> John Popelish
>>
>>


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[evelyn]

Victor, what are the stats on your item?

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Victor Cozzetto 
wrote:

> Just FYI, I, and many of my family members have used the Magnetic Pulser
> from Sota Instruments for many years, and we have experienced nothing but
> health benefits. It has been used on every part of our bodies, and
> extensively on the head and gut in some instances. I used it to great
> effect to eliminate tooth abscess in the past, and periodically 'pulse' my
> entire head as a kind of routine maintenance.
>
> I have posted here before about my experiences with this device.
>
> And yea, I only use the North end, as indicated on the device.
>
> Victor
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:27 AM, evelyn  wrote:
>
>> Hundreds of gauss of any artificial magnetic field is unnatural.  If
>> something causes bioeffects, which benefit someone, that can harm someone
>> else.  Radiation therapy for cancer for exmple.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 2:39 PM, John Popelish 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It may make a lot of difference whether you are talking about head/full
>>> body exposure, or local exposure.  Your hands are exposed to hundreds of
>>> gauss when you hold a refrigerator magnet.
>>>
>>> On 08/27/2015 05:06 PM, evelyn wrote:
>>>
 I wanted to csution everyone about electromagnetic
 instruments.  Firstly, they are unsafe near the head -
 especilly for anyone with any kind of seizure disorder ,
 alzheimers, or elecrical sensitivity.  Secondly, I saw on a
 website related to Dr. Beck's protocol an instrument for
 producing magnetic fields.  It said it produced mag fields
 in the strength of hundreds of gauss.  This is outrageous
 and could cause death in some people.   5 gauss for short
 exposures is a standard even OSHA uses. as a maximum.Â
 Hundreds of gauss is something the whole neighborhood could
 feel.Â

>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> John Popelish
>>
>>

Re: CS>iodine and thyroid

[Eblaine]

The iodine I've used for many years is from Phil at IodineSource.com.  It's 
atomic iodine based on Edgar Cayce's specifications in his readings.    Best 
regards,
EB

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Thanks Shirley!

https://www.jcrows.com/MaryJoFahey_IodineRemediesSecretsFromTheSea.pdf

Jane


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Kenneth Taylor]

Did seem kinda impractical, imo, to implement something that would use so much 
power. Producing hundreds of gauss would affect surrounding electronic devices 
as well, wouldn't  it? 

Kenneth

Karen is Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise

From:"evelyn" 
Date:Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 17:07
Subject:CS>electromagnetic instruments

I wanted to csution everyone about electromagnetic instruments.  Firstly, they 
are unsafe near the head - especilly for anyone with any kind of seizure 
disorder , alzheimers, or elecrical sensitivity.  Secondly, I saw on a website 
related to Dr. Beck's protocol an instrument for producing magnetic fields.  It 
said it produced mag fields in the strength of hundreds of gauss.  This is 
outrageous and could cause death in some people.   5 gauss for short exposures 
is a standard even OSHA uses. as a maximum.  Hundreds of gauss is something the 
whole neighborhood could feel.  

Re: CS>iodine and thyroid

[Kenneth Taylor]

Thanks Jane,


As always, I value your opinions, messages, talk, friendship.

(I'm still taking that jigsaw and iodine supplements)

Kenneth
Karen is Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise

From:"Jane MacRoss" 
Date:Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 19:47
Subject:Re: CS>iodine and thyroid

"The information about iodine that you will read in this 
book contradicts the information that is contained in 
medical text books, medical Web sites and most health 
books published for consumers.

"About This Book...
The information in this book is based on research 
done for a series of presentations given by the 
Weston A. Price Foundation (www.westonaprice.
org) chapter lead ers in Madison, Wisconsin. Because 
the content represents contributions from more 
than one person, Dr. Chris Robin is a pen name 
(one of the researchers has a doctorate)"




> Thanks Shirley!
> 
> https://www.jcrows.com/MaryJoFahey_IodineRemediesSecretsFromTheSea.pdf
> 
> Jane
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Re: CS>iodine and thyroid

[Jane MacRoss]

"The information about iodine that you will read in this 
book contradicts the information that is contained in 
medical text books, medical Web sites and most health 
books published for consumers.


"About This Book...
The information in this book is based on research 
done for a series of presentations given by the 
Weston A. Price Foundation (www.westonaprice.
org) chapter lead ers in Madison, Wisconsin. Because 
the content represents contributions from more 
than one person, Dr. Chris Robin is a pen name 
(one of the researchers has a doctorate)"






Thanks Shirley!

https://www.jcrows.com/MaryJoFahey_IodineRemediesSecretsFromTheSea.pdf

Jane




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Re: CS>iodine and thyroid

[Jane MacRoss]

Thanks Shirley!

https://www.jcrows.com/MaryJoFahey_IodineRemediesSecretsFromTheSea.pdf

Jane


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Victor Cozzetto]

Just FYI, I, and many of my family members have used the Magnetic Pulser
from Sota Instruments for many years, and we have experienced nothing but
health benefits. It has been used on every part of our bodies, and
extensively on the head and gut in some instances. I used it to great
effect to eliminate tooth abscess in the past, and periodically 'pulse' my
entire head as a kind of routine maintenance.

I have posted here before about my experiences with this device.

And yea, I only use the North end, as indicated on the device.

Victor

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:27 AM, evelyn  wrote:

> Hundreds of gauss of any artificial magnetic field is unnatural.  If
> something causes bioeffects, which benefit someone, that can harm someone
> else.  Radiation therapy for cancer for exmple.
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 2:39 PM, John Popelish 
> wrote:
>
>> It may make a lot of difference whether you are talking about head/full
>> body exposure, or local exposure.  Your hands are exposed to hundreds of
>> gauss when you hold a refrigerator magnet.
>>
>> On 08/27/2015 05:06 PM, evelyn wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to csution everyone about electromagnetic
>>> instruments.  Firstly, they are unsafe near the head -
>>> especilly for anyone with any kind of seizure disorder ,
>>> alzheimers, or elecrical sensitivity.  Secondly, I saw on a
>>> website related to Dr. Beck's protocol an instrument for
>>> producing magnetic fields.  It said it produced mag fields
>>> in the strength of hundreds of gauss.  This is outrageous
>>> and could cause death in some people.   5 gauss for short
>>> exposures is a standard even OSHA uses. as a maximum.Â
>>> Hundreds of gauss is something the whole neighborhood could
>>> feel.Â
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Popelish
>
>

Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[evelyn]

Hundreds of gauss of any artificial magnetic field is unnatural.  If
something causes bioeffects, which benefit someone, that can harm someone
else.  Radiation therapy for cancer for exmple.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 2:39 PM, John Popelish  wrote:

> It may make a lot of difference whether you are talking about head/full
> body exposure, or local exposure.  Your hands are exposed to hundreds of
> gauss when you hold a refrigerator magnet.
>
> On 08/27/2015 05:06 PM, evelyn wrote:
>
>> I wanted to csution everyone about electromagnetic
>> instruments.  Firstly, they are unsafe near the head -
>> especilly for anyone with any kind of seizure disorder ,
>> alzheimers, or elecrical sensitivity.  Secondly, I saw on a
>> website related to Dr. Beck's protocol an instrument for
>> producing magnetic fields.  It said it produced mag fields
>> in the strength of hundreds of gauss.  This is outrageous
>> and could cause death in some people.   5 gauss for short
>> exposures is a standard even OSHA uses. as a maximum.Â
>> Hundreds of gauss is something the whole neighborhood could
>> feel.Â
>>
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>
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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Cat4461]

go to Biomagscience.net .Lots of good info
Christel
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/27/2015 5:58:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
scl...@cox.net writes:

Try  doing a bit of research to see what the clinical benefits are before 
casting  it off as religion.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at  2:55 PM, John Popelish  wrote:
> 
>>  On 08/27/2015 05:43 PM, Steve wrote:
>> There is also a big  difference when pulsing bio north
>> magnetic energy which has many  positive healing benefits.
>> Google it.
> 
> I don't see  how this could be real. Magnetic field lined are
> loops and north and  south poles are just arbitrary human
> ideas about what to call the  sides of planes through space
> that cut across these these loops. Poles  are not inherent
> parts of magnetic flux. Sounds like religion, to  me.
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Try doing a bit of research to see what the clinical benefits are before 
casting it off as religion.

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> On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:55 PM, John Popelish  wrote:
> 
>> On 08/27/2015 05:43 PM, Steve wrote:
>> There is also a big difference when pulsing bio north
>> magnetic energy which has many positive healing benefits.
>> Google it.
> 
> I don't see how this could be real. Magnetic field lined are
> loops and north and south poles are just arbitrary human
> ideas about what to call the sides of planes through space
> that cut across these these loops. Poles are not inherent
> parts of magnetic flux. Sounds like religion, to me.
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[John Popelish]

On 08/27/2015 05:43 PM, Steve wrote:

There is also a big difference when pulsing bio north
magnetic energy which has many positive healing benefits.
Google it.


I don't see how this could be real. Magnetic field lined are
loops and north and south poles are just arbitrary human
ideas about what to call the sides of planes through space
that cut across these these loops. Poles are not inherent
parts of magnetic flux. Sounds like religion, to me.

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[Steve]

There is also a big difference when pulsing bio north magnetic energy which has 
many positive healing benefits. Google it.

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> On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:39 PM, John Popelish  wrote:
> 
> It may make a lot of difference whether you are talking about head/full body 
> exposure, or local exposure.  Your hands are exposed to hundreds of gauss 
> when you hold a refrigerator magnet.
> 
>> On 08/27/2015 05:06 PM, evelyn wrote:
>> I wanted to csution everyone about electromagnetic
>> instruments.  Firstly, they are unsafe near the head -
>> especilly for anyone with any kind of seizure disorder ,
>> alzheimers, or elecrical sensitivity.  Secondly, I saw on a
>> website related to Dr. Beck's protocol an instrument for
>> producing magnetic fields.  It said it produced mag fields
>> in the strength of hundreds of gauss.  This is outrageous
>> and could cause death in some people.   5 gauss for short
>> exposures is a standard even OSHA uses. as a maximum.Â
>> Hundreds of gauss is something the whole neighborhood could
>> feel.Â
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> 
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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[John Popelish]

It may make a lot of difference whether you are talking 
about head/full body exposure, or local exposure.  Your 
hands are exposed to hundreds of gauss when you hold a 
refrigerator magnet.


On 08/27/2015 05:06 PM, evelyn wrote:

I wanted to csution everyone about electromagnetic
instruments.  Firstly, they are unsafe near the head -
especilly for anyone with any kind of seizure disorder ,
alzheimers, or elecrical sensitivity.  Secondly, I saw on a
website related to Dr. Beck's protocol an instrument for
producing magnetic fields.  It said it produced mag fields
in the strength of hundreds of gauss.  This is outrageous
and could cause death in some people.   5 gauss for short
exposures is a standard even OSHA uses. as a maximum.Â
Hundreds of gauss is something the whole neighborhood could
feel.Â


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Re: CS>electromagnetic instruments

[Deborah Gerard]

Thanks Evelyndo you use a cell phone? If you do, do you use any kind of 
shield device? 


 On Thursday, August 27, 2015 5:06 PM, evelyn  wrote:
   

 I wanted to csution everyone about electromagnetic instruments.  Firstly, they 
are unsafe near the head - especilly for anyone with any kind of seizure 
disorder , alzheimers, or elecrical sensitivity.  Secondly, I saw on a website 
related to Dr. Beck's protocol an instrument for producing magnetic fields.  It 
said it produced mag fields in the strength of hundreds of gauss.  This is 
outrageous and could cause death in some people.   5 gauss for short exposures 
is a standard even OSHA uses. as a maximum.  Hundreds of gauss is something the 
whole neighborhood could feel.  

  

CS>electromagnetic instruments

[evelyn]

I wanted to csution everyone about electromagnetic instruments.  Firstly,
they are unsafe near the head - especilly for anyone with any kind of
seizure disorder , alzheimers, or elecrical sensitivity.  Secondly, I saw
on a website related to Dr. Beck's protocol an instrument for producing
magnetic fields.  It said it produced mag fields in the strength of
hundreds of gauss.  This is outrageous and could cause death in some
people.   5 gauss for short exposures is a standard even OSHA uses. as a
maximum.  Hundreds of gauss is something the whole neighborhood could
feel.

Re: CS>Terminator

[Dee]

Thanks DaveDee

Sent from my iPad

> On 27 Aug 2015, at 05:24, Dan Nave  wrote:
> 
> Current doesn't penetrate or travel evenly in all parts of the body.  Those 
> parts that carry the current should be effected.
> Probably is effective in the blood and wherever the blood flows to.  It is 
> pretty evident that it doesn't cause a major die-off
> of intestinal bacteria like antibiotics might, or we would suffer similar 
> consequences after zapping.
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Dee  wrote:
>> How do they kill parasites then? I understood these lodge in the intestines 
>> and organs.  Just curiousDee
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 23 Aug 2015, at 19:42, Dan Nave  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, they don't seem to penetrate the intestine.
>>> 
 On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Dee  wrote:
 One thing worries me about these devices, could they destroy the 
 microbiome?  Dee
 
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 > On 23 Aug 2015, at 03:35, Steve Levine  wrote:
 >
 > As far as I can tell this is the best deal on the T2 Zapper: 
 > http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/terminator_zapper.html
 >
 > $115 and free shipping.
 >
 > Steve
 >  evelyn  wrote:
 >
 > =
 > Regarding electromagnetic devices, I want to comment on a device I saw
 > linked to Dr. Bob Beck's website - a manufacturer of devices I beleive in
 > Canada.
 > For certain electromagnetic stimulation can help with biological issues
 > because we function on electromagnetic signals, especially from the 
 > nervous
 > system. However, one of the devices gave out an etremely strong magnetic
 > field (something like hundreds or thouisands of gauss.) This is 
 > dangerous.
 > Even the conservative OSHA limits are only a few gauss for short periods.
 >
 >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 6:42 PM, BW  wrote:
 >>
 >> Where can one get a Terminator?
 >> Thanks
 >> Bonnie
 >>> On Aug 22, 2015 7:42 AM, "Shirley Reed"  
 >>> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> The Terminator is a wonderful device.  Fifteen years ago osteoarthritis
 >>> was beginning to affect both of my hands rather badly.  After a few 
 >>> days of
 >>> use, the extremely painful, red and very hot Heberden's nodes on the 
 >>> right
 >>> index finger had lost all the redness and heat and most of the pain and
 >>> tenderness.  The nodes remain to this day but are very small and have 
 >>> no
 >>> tenderness.  If I forget to change batteries they will start getting 
 >>> tender
 >>> again.  The first hour I used the T, the pain of a heel spur completely
 >>> disappeared.  The spur is still there I think, but no pain at all.  
 >>> Also,
 >>> at that time a son had acne and it was all gone in three days.  I have 
 >>> a
 >>> couple of T's because I loan them out occasionally.  It is possible 
 >>> that
 >>> one man I loaned one to has avoided amputation of both legs because of 
 >>> its
 >>> use.  His doc's told them they thought he had bone marrow dying in both
 >>> legs.  Great pain and unable to walk .  In three days time on the T. 
 >>> his
 >>> pain was
 >>> over 50% gone.  A couple more days and no wheelchair, no crutches and
 >>> shortly after that not even a cane.  No pain of course either.   He's 
 >>> in
 >>> great shape now.  It can take away extreme fatigue in a hurry too.  I 
 >>> hope
 >>> to never be without a T.  At nearly 75 yrs., I use it very regularly 
 >>> though
 >>> not round the clock.   Dollar store batteries work just fine and at .50
 >>> cents apeice, are a great bargain.  They are a little fat, but a small
 >>> piece of tape keeps the top on well.   Best wishes, pj or dc
 >>>
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