Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

[Ode Coyote]

Once you hit the solubility limits of silver ions in water at around 13
PPM, you go into a supersaturation area where environmental variables...
trace impurities, temperature etc. play a greater and greater role in
'kicking' off a non conductive particle formation cascade reaction.
'What' is in the water often counts more than how much..and no way to know
what, what is.
 The variables connected with particle formation in a super saturated
solution make meters more and more fraught with error the further past the
saturation point you go because meters don't register anything BUT ionic
content.

A meter reading past around 15 uS just doesn't mean very much.

So, up to around 10-12 uS a meter says something fairly reliable but
getting there with current 'ramp up to control' on an exponential curve,
starting who knows where, making time a HUGE variable with the slightest
difference in initial water conductivity...well...using a clock just
doesn't work.
But once the current control circuits stabilizes the current, ion emission
rate is predictably linear using Faraday calculations and a clock.

You know how much silver entered the water..but what Faraday doesn't say is
how much *stayed* in the water.

If there is very little on the bottom, most of it did.

But
The stronger you make it, the more densely packed uncharged particles are
and the more likely they are to encounter each other and agglomerate into
larger particles, forming crystals around a seed nucleus and getting big
enough to settle out.

Ode

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Jerry Durand 
wrote:

> I suspect the main benefit of the high ppm solutions is to the bank
> account of the seller.  I also suspect they use pretty high current or
> maybe sputtering to get that much silver in there.
>
> Or, they just lie about the number.
>
>
> Out of curiosity, I ran a pint batch with the Silver Puppy set to 10 ticks
> on the manual mode.  I started with distilled water (0-1 uS by my meter)
> and the next day when it was done it only read 14 uS.  I left it sit for a
> few days and then it read 12 uS.   Seems awfully low for running that long.
>
> A normal auto run on the Silver Puppy gives a reading of 10 uS.
>
> On 12/11/2015 03:32 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>
> But since the physical properties of silver and water limit how much
> silver will STAY in the water [solubility limits], relatively all of that
> 42,000 will be sludge on the bottom as silver hydroxide and silver
> oxidewasted.
> Some suspend the garbage in the water by making the water thicker, like
> old used dirty motor oil can hold a lot of dirt
> ...MSP  Mild Silver Protein can be 50 or even 1000+ PPM,  big chunks of
> silver suspended in jello.
> Lots of silver, little benefit.
>
> Ode
>
>
> --
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
>
>

Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

[Theresa]

I'm using the generator from the Silver Lungs sight. Does anyone have an 
opinion about the quality of silver it makes?  
I start w distilled water with a 0 particle reading and run a batch on "long" 
cycle (2 hrs?) and get an 8-10
Reading when auto timed out. 
Thanks
Theresa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 12, 2015, at 5:55 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:
> 
> Once you hit the solubility limits of silver ions in water at around 13 PPM, 
> you go into a supersaturation area where environmental variables... trace 
> impurities, temperature etc. play a greater and greater role in 'kicking' off 
> a non conductive particle formation cascade reaction.
> 'What' is in the water often counts more than how much..and no way to know 
> what, what is.
>  The variables connected with particle formation in a super saturated 
> solution make meters more and more fraught with error the further past the 
> saturation point you go because meters don't register anything BUT ionic 
> content.
> 
> A meter reading past around 15 uS just doesn't mean very much.
> 
> So, up to around 10-12 uS a meter says something fairly reliable but getting 
> there with current 'ramp up to control' on an exponential curve, starting who 
> knows where, making time a HUGE variable with the slightest difference in 
> initial water conductivity...well...using a clock just doesn't work.
> But once the current control circuits stabilizes the current, ion emission 
> rate is predictably linear using Faraday calculations and a clock.
> 
> You know how much silver entered the water..but what Faraday doesn't say is 
> how much *stayed* in the water.
> 
> If there is very little on the bottom, most of it did.
> 
> But
> The stronger you make it, the more densely packed uncharged particles are and 
> the more likely they are to encounter each other and agglomerate into larger 
> particles, forming crystals around a seed nucleus and getting big enough to 
> settle out.
> 
> Ode
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Jerry Durand  
>> wrote:
>> I suspect the main benefit of the high ppm solutions is to the bank account 
>> of the seller.  I also suspect they use pretty high current or maybe 
>> sputtering to get that much   silver in there.
>> 
>> Or, they just lie about the number.
>> 
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, I ran a pint batch with the Silver Puppy set to 10 ticks 
>> on the manual mode.  I started with distilled water (0-1 uS by my meter) and 
>> the next day when it was done it only read 14 uS.  I left it sit for a few 
>> days and then it read 12 uS.   Seems awfully low for running that long. 
>> 
>> A normal auto run on the Silver Puppy gives a reading of 10 uS.
>> 
>>> On 12/11/2015 03:32 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>>> But since the physical properties of silver and water limit how much silver 
>>> will STAY in the water [solubility limits], relatively all of that 42,000 
>>> will be sludge on the bottom as silver hydroxide and silver oxidewasted.
>>> Some suspend the garbage in the water by making the water thicker, like old 
>>> used dirty motor oil can hold a lot of dirt
>>> ...MSP  Mild Silver Protein can be 50 or even 1000+ PPM,  big chunks of 
>>> silver suspended in jello.
>>> Lots of silver, little benefit.
>>> 
>>> Ode
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
>> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
>> 
> 

CS>Silverpuppy ppm numbers

[Debra & David]

As long as that right hand light on your 'puppy is ON, then you are 
adding silver to the water.


Ten extra hours in a pint adds about 80 ppm. Plus the 12 ppm you 
initially added in auto mode gives a total of about 92ppm.
But thats 92 ppm of TOTAL silver. (i.e Ions AND particles). But the 
meter can only read the ions, because only they are conductive. There 
are occasional exceptions but usually maximum ionic content in a jar 
will hover around 10 to 20 uS and reduce over time as the ions combine 
with non -conductive particles and 'disappear' off the meter.  You still 
have 92 ppm in the jar but the meter cant read it.


Meters don't measure silver, they just measure the conductivity of the 
water. The conductivity is roughly equivalent to the amount of silver 
ions you have in the water.


David



Subject:
Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers
From:
Jerry Durand 
Date:
12/12/2015 5:29 AM

To:
silver-list@eskimo.com



Out of curiosity, I ran a pint batch with the Silver Puppy set to 10 
ticks on the manual mode.  I started with distilled water (0-1 uS by my 
meter) and the next day when it was done it only read 14 uS.  I left it 
sit for a few days and then it read 12 uS.   Seems awfully low for 
running that long.


A normal auto run on the Silver Puppy gives a reading of 10 uS.