CS>Silver oxide, Size of Particles
This is my take on making CS based on observation only. I am relatively new to the process and do not know the physics involved yet. I am sure I have some of it wrong, so let me know where. I am making CS with a 24V AC transformer and a full bridge rectifier with a big cap across it to produce DC at about 34V. I have Sota . silver wires. They run through a block of wood and are about 3/4" apart but can be easily bent to any distance since the ends dangle. I start with boiling hot distilled water. I bend the ends of the wires to about 1/2" apart to get the process going a bit faster. After 10 minutes, the cloud starts to form and the positive wire begins to blacken and the negative gets "furry". I remove the wires and clean them with a scotch brite pad and straighten them out until they are parallel 3/4" all the way down. Then, back in the drink for another 10 minutes - this time, I use the wires to stir the CS after 5 minutes. After 5 more minutes, I remove the wires and clean with a pad again. Then, back in the drink for 5 minutes, stirring every minute or so. Out to clean them and in for another 5 minutes, again stirring every minute. This is a total of 30 minutes the device runs (with approx 3 minutes for cleaning for a total of 33 minutes per batch). I make it in a tall thin glass, which holds approx 14oz. This method yields from 20-25ppm based on my (saltwater calibrated) TDS-1 meter. When it is done, it is slightly yellow. Straining the CS through coffee filters causes it to lose 1 ppm. I then pour it into brown glass bottles. Isn't the blackness on the positive electrode as well as what causes the silver to go yellow silver oxide? It seems to me this is what it is. Even if I keep the electrodes perfectly clean or only go for 5 minutes after the cloud starts to form and make a clear solution, it will yellow a bit when I filter it while letting the CS drop a few inches into a cup. It will yellow less if it splashes (oxygenates) less while filtering. A batch will always turn yellow on me when I store a small amount in a 32oz brown glass container. If I store clear CS in an 8oz bottle, it will stay clear longer but after it is opened a number of times, it too will yellow. I assume it is reacting with oxygen to form silver oxide. It seems to me that the yellower it is, the less metallic tasting. I have made high PPM batches that I let go dark yellow (1 hour run time) and clear batches (15 minute total) and the low PPM clear tastes more metallic than the high PPM yellow. If this is the case, and silver oxide is undesirable, I suppose a way to control its formation would be to make clear CS and put it in single serving bottles filled to the top. This is workable since 1 or 2 oz bottles are widely available (except they don't cost much less than the 8oz glass bottles from Frontier, where I usually get them). I also considered putting some ascorbic acid in the product after it was made to inhibit oxidation, but I don't know if silver ascorbate (or whatever it would form) is effective or safe. I also think it may be better to use a high voltage system to circumvent this. It seems to me that the shorter the time it takes to make the CS, the less oxidation occurs. I don't know how this affects particle size, though. Is particle size really too large when high voltages are used? Has anyone looked into this personally (instead of heard it from a CS generator manufacturer)? I don't know why the particles would be much different size between using, say, 9V or 9000V. Just seems to me that they will "jump off the wire" faster. Anyone know for sure? I am considering getting a 400V bridge rectifier and connecting it to 120V, and not even put a cap across it and see what a full rectified wave will do. Of course, a major consideration in high voltage systems is safety. Anything much over 27V is getting into the hazardous range, especially considering most of us make the stuff using exposed bare wires. A few times I've yanked the wires out of the solution and cleaned them with a scotch brite only to realize on putting them back in that the power was still on. Using high voltages, I would have likely not forgotten much more than once. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Dose & CS Weight
> > It is my understanding that some systems produce a larger particle size. What types of systems produce larger particle sizes? turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>More newbie questions!
>>I had a few samples of my CS tested and then compared it to the test done >> at >> the lab. My TDS showed 23ppm and the lab came back with 33ppm. Each time I >> sent it out it came back with a difference of 10-12ppm. I don't think this meant anything. It would have had her meter been calibrated in some way, but it was not. My meter needed a _lot_ or turns on the calibration screw to get it to read correctly, and I would guess that there is no way we can even estimate how much error, high or low, that a particular meter has. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>More newbie questions!
> I have heard that devices that simply test conductivity, which I am guessing > these devices do, are not of much value determining PPM as there are many > variables which determine conductivity of a liquid - i.e. temperature, > impurities in the water, etc. The table given on the bottle of calibration solution takes temperature into account. I get 0 ppm when I check the distilled water I use to make CS. So these variables seem to be taken into account. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>***Help Hep C
>does anyone have any recommendations or have your read anything on > what will help Hepatitis C??? My friend is very ill with this. Many > There is a hep C regimen on my web page at http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/ in the Suggested Regimens for Various Maladies section. Best single supplement is probably high dose vitamin C. CS may help - I would use it for the first week or two if I had some. There are also reportedly effective Bare-Rife generator frequency regimens for it. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More newbie questions!
> HI! Thanks for the URL. In selecting the meter to use, what is the range > that I will need to measure from 1ppm to lets say 250ppm? I went to the > website and was rather confused about which model to select. The pocket ones > look nice, but price is more of a consideration than is size... The TDS-1 measures up to 1000ppm (I think). This is not the ideal range for purposes of measuring CS ppm (we'd rather have 1 to 250 range to potentially have better accuracy in the 10-30ppm range), but for the money it can't be beat. On a related question, someone mentioned that although this may measure a proportional gauge to ppm for CS, it was not accurate. Why not? Since silver ions would not register but silver oxide would? turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More newbie questions!
A TDS meter is one that measures total dissolved solids. Hanna Instruments sells one for $15. Their web page is at http://www.hannainst.com/ The pocket TDS-1 meter is at http://www.hannainst.com/products/info/tdspromo.htm They also sell standardized TDS calibrating solutions for about $7. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More newbie questions!
> o the test done at > the lab. My TDS showed 23ppm and the lab came back with 33ppm. Each time I > sent it out it came back with a difference of 10-12ppm. Had you calibrated the meter with the test solution? I did and it needed a lot of adjustment to get it right. I calibrated with 800ppm and 80ppm. Using 800ppm got me close to where it would read okay for 80ppm, but when I used 80 it still needed a bit more tweaking. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More newbie questions!
> http://www.csprosystems.com > email : resea...@csprosystems.com(Bruce Marx) > Location San Antonio, TX > > They have a lab testing service - very good one. Uses Electron microscope - > determines particle size range and weight in ppm of silver. How much do they charge? turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS Testing
> More for fun than for anything else I would like to run some tests > cultivating simple bacteria in a control dish and dishes containing > different stengths (PPM) of CS. Does anyone have any idea of where to buy > a "kit" that would include petri dishes, growing medium, and instructions > for doing this type of simple experiment? I was about to start growing critters myself for experimenting with a Bare-Rife generator and figured I too would give them a dose of CS. The Bare-Rife Notes section on my web page includes some tips for growing microscopic critters for this in the Testing article. I am planning to do this using one of the methods described in the file. That is to dry some lettuce under a lamp or in the sun (food for the culture.) Get a quart or more of water from a pond or other stagnant water source and put in glass jar. Keep around room temperature. Bubble a small amount of air through it to keep odor down. Sprinkle dried lettuce on top occasionally. When ready to harvest, shine light against jar and most microbes will be attracted to it, so will concentrate them before removing with dropper. I asked for further tips on the Rife list about growing the critters as well as sources of pictures so I would know what they look like. Here are two responses: -- As you may have discovered, books and other materials relating to protozoa are almost nonexistent - surprising in light of the fact that they form the fundamental basis for life as we know it. Here are some sources of information that you and others may find helpful: Illustrated Guide to the Protozoa - A publication of the P. Society. For an overview visit: http://www.uga.edu/~protozoa/guideii.htm They may also be reached at 914-365-8452. This book will be released in a couple months, but they offer an attractive pre-release price for early birds. Protocols in Protozoology - Same source as above, also gives methods of collection and culture. Should be in print and available. Protozoa and other Protists by Michael Sleigh - Unfortunately out of print, but an excellent source. Protozoology by Richard R. Kudo, D. Sc., Publ'r Charles C. Thomas, Springfield, Ill. A "must have" for identification and categorization. My 5th edition has only ink drawings, but many times these are better than photos. Also books by Jeon and Bovee may be of value. Some interesting images of a wide variety of Euglana (a popular Rife target) may be found at: http://lifesci.rutgers.edu/~triemer/index.htm -- You can order live specimens from: Southern Scientific, P. O. Box 368, McKenzie, TN 38201, Phone 1-800-748-8735. Ask them to mail you their caralog. -- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More newbie questions!
> people who have been using CS for a long period could advise us newbies on > a correct sensible dosage... Unlike many people, I think that CS should be taken for acute illness only, that is, a max of 2 weeks (then once per week afterward for maintenance if necessary). If it does not work within 2 weeks, I would use something else. During acute illness, it seems to me that a good dosage of 10-15ppm CS is 1 oz (2T) initially followed by up to 1T every 2-6 hours. > Last question...I know you are supposed to take acidophillus while taking > CS. So does this mean daily? Weekly? To save money, it can be taken after an intense regimen is over, e.g., do CS for one week, then take beneficial bacteria for a week. I would use a wide spectrum product like PB-8 or Jarrodophilus. This is probably not necessary in most cases. To go all out, one can use beneficial bacteria two hours after taking any oral antibacterial. If I had an acute disease, I would be more worried about curing it than replenishing gut bacteria. In this case, I would take DDS-1 acidophilus. It is not good at populating the gut, but is the most effective bacteria to combat yeast and harmful bacteria. > I also take something called > "Nature's Biotics" which I jokingly call "dirt" pills since they look like > dirt. Does anyone use this instead of (or with) the acidophillus? Opinion > of it? Assuming you mean Nutrabiotics Plus capsules, which is grapefruit extract, wormwood, and echinacea, (or plain Nutrabiotics which is grapefruit extract alone) this is something you would take with or instead of CS, typically, or along with it to improve the action. It is also antibacterial (and antiparasitic.) turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Turning Blue
> Does anyone out there in Listland have time to do a lit search on > argyria case histories? An easy way to do a limited search on (conventional) argyria cases is to look in Medline. There is a link from my page directly to the Entrez Medline Query page (in the Other Links section). It gets 220 hits on "argyria" but many of them don't have abstracts. Of the ones that do, some are pretty interesting. A somewhat common cause appears to be using silver acetate tablets to stop smoking. One case details a lady who had her tongue painted numerous times with silver nitrate to treat oral ulcers. It's a good start. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS
> Rosemary Jacobs' story is tragic. I am sad for her. It appears she has > become a zealot for whom any silver is bad silver. That I can > understand. But I don't have to accept her view without question. And what is odd to me is that no one has pointed out a corrolary. That is, prescription antibiotics cause a _lot_ of problems, even killing some people directly. Why doesn't someone ask Rosemary if she were damaged in some way by a prescription antibiotic, would she be on a crusade to discourage people from using any type of antibiotic? turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>solar cs? and root canals
> > Does the CS do the same thing to the B vitamins? Probably, to the extent that it also affects gut bacteria, which manufactures a lot of B vitamins. I have read that it does, but not nearly as much as conventional antibiotics, but long term high dosage may. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>solar cs? and root canals
> I'm looking for info on making a solar-powered CS generator. Anyone with > plans &/or experience, please let me hear from you. I've never tried it, but I imagine you could make CS by merely connecting silver wires to a solar panel. I think they produce 2 or 3V for one that costs about $150 at Tech America - of course, they sell them lots of places. You can connect them together to get whatever voltage you want. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>metallic taste
> I make my CS using only distilled water and electrodes. I find that if > I stop the process after only about 15 minutes, there is a very slight > cloud, practically no color to it, but already the solution has a *very* > distinct metallic taste. > I find that going to 30 or 45 minutes, the taste doesn't get any > stronger than the first 15. I have found this as well. Except I think the longer you let it go the less metallic tasting it is. It makes me think that when it starts to turn yellow, there is too much silver oxide formed. It seems like the longer it runs, the more bitter and less metallic it tastes. This is why I try to go for clear, which is going 10 minutes after the cloud forms. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Garvey?
> How can I find this place? email, phone #? Thanks! SonRidge in Black Mountain North Carolina (USA) is 828-669-7762. I don't know if they have email. I don't know the number for their branch in St. Augustine, Fla, which is the clinic where Garvey is actually located these days. His NC clinic is now run by Peter Kapatonokos. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
re: CS>PPM
> > From i...@win.co.nz Thu Nov 19 05:34:42 1998 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This might be of interest: > > > > The term total dissolved solids > > (TDS) refers to the sum of all cations or anions, measured in > > parts per million as calcium carbonate. > > Does this mean that the TDS1 will not be entirely accurate in measuring CS concentration? > > > > Parts per Million (ppm) > > The weight to weight ratio of any ion to water. > > > > Calcium Carbonate Equivalent > > Due to the differing molecular weights and valences (charges) of ions, a > > meaningful total of all the ions present in water can be calculated only > > when all of the ionic concentrations are brought to a common denominator. If it is not accurate, is there an easy factor that can be used to convert to PPM silver from the PPM read on the TDS1? > > This common denominator is known as the calcium carbonate equivalent.It > > is quite simple to calculate: first determine the molecular weight of the > > ion in question; second, divide this molecular weight by the valence of the > > ion to arrive at the equivalent weight; last, divide 50 (the equivalent > > weight of calcium carbonate) by the equivalent weight of the ion. This > > conversion factor from the last step multiplied by the ppm as ion gives the > > ppm as calcium carbonate. > > > > Milligrams per Litre (mg/L) > > Like grains per gallon, this can be thought of as a measure of the > > concentration of dissolved minerals in a litre of water. It is a weight to > > volume ratio, with the weight of the dissolved minerals expressed as calcium > > carbonate equivalent. > > > > All the best, Ivan. > > > > > > --=_NextPart_000_0081_01BE1413.8CDED320-- Yes, this is what email looks like to the majority of people, who do not use a browser to read mail, when the "encode html" option is not turned off. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>PPM
> Here's an off the wall idea that came up once before; would generating > CS using a pulsed DC at the resonant frequency of a given pathogen make > a product that might subtly be more effective against that pathogen??? This may be true. I don't use homeopathy or homeoenergetics much, but the SonRidge Health Center does. This is Garvy's clinic, and he came up with many of the excellent freqs used for rifing. While they are doing Vega testing, they produce homeoenergetic remedies with distilled water in a dropper bottle on a plate attached to the machine (from what I can tell, if you test positive for a chemical in the set, the bottle is charged with the freq for that chemical.) I have no idea if water (or colloidal silver) can really hold a charge or even the "footprint" of a charge, but the clinic says you only have to add distilled water to the bottle when it is getting low, whack it a few times, and you got another month's worth of (an even more powerful) remedy. I do know that there are many anecdotes and even clinical data which support homeopathy and this can't possibly work either ;) One caveat for rifers stated by the clinic with these homeoenergetic remedies is that a plasma tube generator (or any other strong mag/elec field) will destroy the remedy, so it must be kept away from the device when in operation - it would be best if it was at least 100 feet away and enclosed in metal (check army/navy and surplus stores for old ammo boxes which cost about $5.) turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>PPM
> > a salt solution at 800PPM; when we're generally working in the 10PPM to > 30PPM range, it would seem more appropriate to have a calibration > solution of 20PPM. True. If it is 800ppm, I suppose I could carefully dilute 40:1. I wonder if I could merely do make a solution myself by boiling some distilled water and dissolving a known quantity of salt in it (but I would have to know the moisture content of the salt, I guess.) turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>PPM
> Mine was bought from Hanna 6 weeks ago. God, Gold, and Guns made America > great! Jolly So, do y'all get the calibrating solution along with the meter? The saleperson asked if I wanted some ($7/200ml) and I got it. I assume it is a solution or colloid of known concentration which can be used to adjust the meter. I asked someone about using the meter to measure the PPM of CS and he said the thing to do was measure the solution with the meter and then send the CS off to be assayed. That way one could get a feel for the error of the instrument: For example, say you meaure 30ppm on your CS, send it off to be checked and it comes back 33ppm. Then you could assume that your meter reads 10% too low. I don't know if he knew about the calibrating solution, which seems a much better (and cheaper) method. They said they also sell the calibrating solution in a package of small one-use packets so they can be taken in the field, but these were about twice as much in price. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>PPM
> discussion on PPM of CS. You can buy a TDS 1 dissolved solids tester from > Hanna Instruments -- www.hannainst.com for $14.95. I just ordered mine. So, is there any consensus on the ideal PPM to use? I once heard that 30PPM or greater was best, but with the recent speculation about clumping (or silver oxide formation), I am not so sure. On the last batch, I made a quart with Sota (.) wires and 36V. I left it go for a half hour after the cloud began to form. As soon as the cloud started to form and every 6 minutes after, I cleaned the electrodes since this seems to be what causes it to go yellow. It does not taste any stronger or weaker than what I typically produce, which is to let the thing go until it just starts to go yellow without cleaning the electrodes. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Less is Better?
> > Makes me wonder if less really is better, and if so why. Could it be > > that the silver particles are far enough apart in the colloid that > > they have less inclination to floculate, and therefore are available > > to function. I don't know what causes it, but the CS I make when using minimal time (like going 10 minutes after the "cloud" starts to form) and is clear tastes more metallic and stronger than that I leave going for a half hour, until it just begins to turn yellow. I guessed it was from forming silver oxide, but I really had no idea why. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: Cs and Electro magnets
> chemical sensivities and auto Immune Disease. I started using CS about 6 > months ago. I am now having pelvic pain in female organs. I would stop using the silver, then. If there is MCS and "autoimmune" disease, I would suspect parasites. Silver may inhibit some forms of parasites (and of course works well on amoeba and probably flagellates in the digestive tract), but I would not use it for this purpose. I worry about taking large doses of silver long term. I think it is a fine supplement taken short term, even large doses. But, according to Hulda Clark, heavy metals like this and gold can deposit in the organs, especially in the uterus and prostate. When they deposit, it inhibits the function of that organ to withstand pathogens like parasites. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and zapping
> > things still aren't back to normal. As for the plans that you have on your > site for the variable frequency zapper, I'd like to have them, but I don't > see your address anywhere in the message. They are not really plans, they just say what caps and resistors in the zapper to replace with variable ones such that the frequency can be varied. A frequency meter is required to determine the frequency. Many multimeters have one. My web site is at http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/ It is described in the Zapper Tips file. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and zapping
> Bruce or anyone else who knows, > I recall seeing a post recently that stated > that > you should not take CS while zapping with a Clark type zapper. Could > you > explain this to me.& I know of now reason to avoid CS while zapping. > parasite that the docs cannot find For conditions like this, I would take MSM. > take CS for > chronic Prostatitis. I would not take it for this condition unless short term. I would first use a cleansing diuretic (like Planetary Formula's Stone Free) with magnesium and potassium citrate (like Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate and Twinlab Potassium Citrate) for a 3 week program to first help remove crystals in the prostate, bladder, and such. Then use antibacterials like CS. It does no good to kill bacteria for kidney or prostate (or liver and gall) infections if there are stones and crystals harboring them. > experience dealing with itchy little skin critters. You can rub CS on the skin and perhaps catch some critter or fungal infections. If this does not work, try tea tree oil. > point me to info on building one of these generators. Unless you are quite adept at building things like this, it would be a lot less hassle to just buy Bruce's device since it is inexpensive. Otherwise, see the zapper tips article on my web page for how to build a variable frequency zapper. turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Easy Instructions to make CS
There are instructions to make CS on my web page at http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/ Article and instructions are on the second level of the page (step down into Alt Health section) as well as in the Recipes section. Instead of this, there are many fine silver making devices and I recommend getting silver wires as opposed to using the assayed ingots mentioned in the recipe. Sota now sells . fine silver wires lugged up to wires and a connector (made for their silver pulser of course, but I found a female connector for it at a Tech America and installed it to my homemade device.) turf -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
zapper
> Is frequency drifting a 'feature' of the 555 timer chip? No, I suspect that it is mostly temperature related. You could leave it on a while and make sure it was warmed up. It holds 1Hz pretty well on the Rife frequencies, but (with more experience on the device now) it does drift up AND down at high frequencies like 100K and more. It will generally stay in the vicinity of the chosen frequency, and vary a few Hz either way. I think of this as a "feature", though, since as I said earlier, the irregular duty cycle will produce harmonics around the chosen frequency anyway, which may be more effective. As for Ken C's suggestion about squaring up the output at Clark frequencies: I will look at the rounding of square waves at high frequencies as a feature, too :). This will decrease the harmonics, but since at high frequencies one is going for direct frequency rather than harmonic effects, this is good. > This drifting 'feature' could render this frequency generator useless > for inclusion in a Bare-Rife device... I think it helps. I don't think that the frequencies are carved in stone, and many of Clark's frequencies are ranges. Again, the irregular duty cycle will produce harmonics both below, at, and above the chosen square wave frequency, which is an approximation anyway. If you are talking about using it as a reference for frequency generating equipment, that is quite correct, though. You want something accurate with compensation. Other notes: I built a set of nice banana jacked 1" copper pipe handholds for this zapper. I had been using silver ingot wrist electrodes with salt free electrolyte gel. Covered handholds with saltwater-ed paper towels, turned on zapper with frequency select on low, and ZAP, shocked me. About like a TENS machine turned too high. This indicates a need for an output attenuator - intensity control. Even with the wrist electrodes, 1 Hz is very uncomfortable. 20 Hz is bearable. If there is no intensity control, I would go with a 9V battery to be able to use the low frequencies (below 20Hz), and even so, not use copper pipe handholds. I suspect it is much safer to use low frequencies with this device when it is across the ankles. However, the low frequencies do work well with the self stick TENS pads, since they are not too conductive. With this, it can also serve as a low output TENS-type device. turf
Vaccincations / zapper
> What if a person was vaccinated as a child for the usual (small pox, > measles etc.). His body would build up the normal defense mechanisms > against measles infections. That can be good. Then what would happen if > he was treated by a Rife device at the measles frequencies sufficient times > to completely eliminate all measles from his system. I think it is only the antigen to the disease, stored in the thymus, that retains the information, although I am not sure, and don't know if it could be damaged by electroeffects, although I doubt it would or surely someone would have noticed it by now. Got my "Rife/Clark" zapper built. Goes 1/3 Hz to 1.2 MHz. The calcs said it would not go that high, but it does. Used a 220ohm 1/2W for R1 and ten turn pots of 2K, 10K, 20K in series for R2. Used a 12 position switch to connect different values of C1 from .001 to 47 uF. Duty cycle is about perfect I'd say, with just enough asymmetry . At rife frequencies, it is easy enough to set 1Hz increments. Uses 8 AA batteries. Just in time, too. My two year old got vaccinated about one month ago for MMR (live measles, mumps, rubella) and chicken pox. MMR is required where I live for kids to get into day care or school. They said he would run a rather high fever within two weeks of getting the shots. Well, that night I zapped him, thinking I would at least pick up a few of the viruses and maybe he would not have a reaction. He's been getting an immune stimulant for the last month, since many of the kids in his daycare are sick. He never reacted - no fever no headache - nothing, in the two week timeframe they gave us. I thought I had staved off the expected reaction. Last Friday when I got to his daycare, he was sick with a fever of 102. Wife had already made an appointment at the doctor, so I ran home with him, gave him a big dose of a combination astragalus, turmeric, fennel seeds, thymus, goldenseal, cat's claw, and echinacea (bet y'all don't know many two years olds who would take that). Something like this will sometimes stop a fever if it is coming from the intestines. Zapped him across the feet the way to the doctor, too with my 30K zapper. Got there and his fever was down a bit, but he still felt crappy. Doctor gave him an antibiotic (what's new) since one of his ears looked infected, as did his tonsils. The antibiotics did nothing. He continued to run a fever, as high as 104.6. The only thing that would keep it down was garlic oil and red root - I even tried Motrin, and this would pull it down a degree or two, but as long as he was getting garlic oil, it stayed at 101. Wife took him back to the doctor on Monday. Still had an ear infection, throat starting to get swollen, plus he was coughing, and lymphs were starting to swell noticably in his neck. I had no idea this could be related to the vaccine he had a month ago. I was only thinking about the CFS/EBV/Mono case I wrote earlier about, who had played with him a few weeks ago, just before she got sick, and with the same symptoms. Yesterday, he was still running the high fever despite my best herbal attempts and zapping. I could not get it. His neck lymphs were still swelling. They actually began to look like mumps. I am still not sure whether this was vaccine related. The EBV person looked like she had mumps, too. Wife takes him back to the doctor and they do a CBC. Bacterial infection should indicate high WBC, viral low WBC. All counts look great - WBC at 11 (normal range 5-12), and has a good amount of segs, lymphs, monos, etc. Doctor decides it can't be viral (but it can, all the immune stimulants I have been giving him would keep it up that high, throwing him off). It can't be bacterial since it does not respond to antibiotics and WBC is not high. He's stumped. Says continue with antibiotics and he will call daily to get progress. At the doctor, the kid has a 101 fever, but by the time he gets home, it's back to 104, and my wife is freaking - wanting to take him back. Well, I respond by finishing up the new design of zapper. Get done last night, try it out on myself to make sure it is not painful with 12 volts and silver electrodes, and then use on him (while he sleeps). Did three minutes of each: 20 728 787 880 5000 434000 (I think it was somewhere around here - I forget) 660 This morning, he woke up with no fever, no visibly swollen glands in his neck, no chest congestion, but his nose was still congested. Temperature: 98.5 all day long. Of course, this could have all been a coincidence, and he could have been fine this morning without zapping, but it sure was a dramatic difference between going to bed with a high fever, and waking up fine. I myself had a bit of a sinus infection the last couple of days that seemingly disappeared overnight, too. He even woke up two hours early, which is very unusual, but probably because he was hungry, and he pigged out at breakfast. It looked like he no l
