CS>RE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #161

[Greg Ball]

I'm dealing with late stage lyme disease and babesia. I have a 
silvergen and have used silver for 20 years for infections like bladder 
or lung infections. I've been hearing about silver for lyme, but it's 
the doctor who developed the ACS brand of silver who's saying it can 
kill lyme. I've always heard silver won't eradicate lyme. I'm wondering 
if you think it can reduce my bacteria load, and the protazoan load 
(babesia). 
 
If so, is ACS better than other brands? Or is there a better brand? Or 
is my silvergen silver as good? 
 
Thanks! 
 

  

CS>RE: silver help with lymes & type?

[Greg Ball]

Dick - what type of silver were you using - what generator? I've always heard 
silver isn't a cure for lyme. Did you and the others you mentioned have it for 
long?

 

I've had it for over 20 years - was misdiagnosed for about 17 years. I have a 
silvergen, and it's not made much of a difference with the lyme when I've used 
it for  some time. That's why I was wondering about the ACS. Also you see 
mesosilver out there on the web saying it's the most effective kind of silver 
out there. So I was wondering if there's a silver that can be more effective 
than my silvergen makes like the two above mentioned. 

 

Thanks







It cured my lyme, and my wife's, and the guy's who taught me how to make CS, 
and hosts of other people he has cured...

Dick





From: Greg Ball 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 11:18:28 PM
Subject: CS>RE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #161



I'm dealing with late stage lyme disease and babesia. I have a 
silvergen and have used silver for 20 years for infections like bladder 
or lung infections. I've been hearing about silver for lyme, but it's 
the doctor who developed the ACS brand of silver who's saying it can 
kill lyme. I've always heard silver won't eradicate lyme. I'm wondering 
if you think it can reduce my bacteria load, and the protazoan load 
(babesia). 

If so, is ACS better than other brands? Or is there a better brand? Or 
is my silvergen silver as good? 

Thanks! 




  

CS>Silver for lyme & babesia

[Greg Ball]

Thanks Tom,
 
The article was interesting and I think it's possible it could help, even if 
it's not a complete cure. That brings me back to my original question. What's 
the best and most effective form of silver for me? Should I use my silvergen, 
or ACS, Mesosilver, Sovereign Silver
 
Thanks!
 
Hello Greg,
 
You may find this article informative...
 
http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Human_Studies/Lymes%27s%20Testimonial.pdf
 
Tom

- Original Message ----- 
From: Greg Ball 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:37 PM
Subject: CS>RE: silver help with lymes & type?

Dick - what type of silver were you using - what generator? I've always heard 
silver isn't a cure for lyme. Did you and the others you mentioned have it for 
long?
 
I've had it for over 20 years - was misdiagnosed for about 17 years. I have a 
silvergen, and it's not made much of a difference with the lyme when I've used 
it for  some time. That's why I was wondering about the ACS. Also you see 
mesosilver out there on the web saying it's the most effective kind of silver 
out there. So I was wondering if there's a silver that can be more effective 
than my silvergen makes like the two above mentioned. 
 
Thanks




It cured my lyme, and my wife's, and the guy's who taught me how to make CS, 
and hosts of other people he has cured...

Dick





From: Greg Ball 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 11:18:28 PM
Subject: CS>RE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #161

I'm dealing with late stage lyme disease and babesia. I have a 
silvergen and have used silver for 20 years for infections like bladder 
or lung infections. I've been hearing about silver for lyme, but it's 
the doctor who developed the ACS brand of silver who's saying it can 
kill lyme. I've always heard silver won't eradicate lyme. I'm wondering 
if you think it can reduce my bacteria load, and the protazoan load 
(babesia). 

If so, is ACS better than other brands? Or is there a better brand? Or 
is my silvergen silver as good? 

Thanks! 

  

CS>Silver type for lyme & babesia

[Greg Ball]

Hi all,
 
I'm still hoping for an answer to my original question. What's the best and 
most effective form of silver for me (lymes disease and babesia)? Should I use 
my silvergen, or ACS, Mesosilver, Sovereign Silver I'd really appreciate an 
answer if anyone has one, or if not, where can I look or ask...???
 
Thanks!! Greg
 

 

 
  

CS>RE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #177

[Greg Ball]

 
__
Hi all,
 
I still haven't gotten an answer to my original question - Please anyone - Do 
you have any opinions on the brands for sale that I asked about? ACS, 
Mesosilver, Sovereign Silver Are they better than using my silvergen 
silver? Are they worth purchasing? Or are you all not familiar with these?
 
I'd really appreciate an answer if anyone has one, or if not, where can I look 
or ask...???
 
Thanks!! Greg
 
__


  

CS>silver for lyme

[Greg Ball]

 



There is no best! They all do the same thing. What ever you choose will kill 
Lyme, but probably the home made stuff will do it quicker. 
 The way you do it is the important factor.
I had Lyme for 42 years and killed it in three days with home made CS.
 The protocol I used was to take four oz every waking twenty minutes to 
saturate my system with silver until I woke up in the middle of the night 
feeling great for the first time in years. I then cut back to four oz a day and 
kept taking it for years afterword.  I never had a relapse but After eight 
years I started greying.  If you do it for a couple years to rid yourself of 
the hidden spirochaetes, then after that use it when you feel something coming 
on you shouldn't  have a problem.
Dave
___

 

Hey Dave, I missed your post. Wow that was gutsy. I just get concerned about 
taking so much silver, even if it's just in a short period - I don't want to be 
blue. I've used so much silver over the years that I'm concerned that I already 
have it in my body. Yet that's a really tempting protocol. How did you know you 
had lyme? Were you tested positive? 

 

When you say you were greying, what do you mean? 

 

Also, what kind of machine were you using?

 

Thanks!! Greg

__

 

 
  

CS>Silver or lyme & babesia

[Greg Ball]

Hey Dave, I missed your post. Wow that was gutsy. I just get concerned about 
taking so much silver, even if it's just in a short period - I don't want to be 
blue. I've used so much silver over the years that I'm concerned that I already 
have it in my body. Yet that's a really tempting protocol, and I think I'm 
gonna try it. 

 

How did you know you had lyme? Were you tested positive? Were you ever 
re-tested?
 
Also, what kind of machine were you using?
 
Thanks!! Greg

__

 

Hi N., 

 

Thanks for jumping in! I have a Silvergen machine. Is that the type of silver 
you're talking about using? Looks like you and Dave are talking about similar 
strategies of saturating the body. 

 

I'm brewing a batch now, and I'm going to give it a go. I'm in so much pain I'm 
hoping to push back some of that joint inflammation at the very least, even if 
it's not a total cure. 

 

Greg
___

 

Hi Marshall,

 

>From what I've heard, silver alone doesn't usually work, though Dave's post is 
>encouraging. I've heard that the Beck protocol also isn't enough. I do have a 
>rife-type machine, and as someone mentioned a few posts ago, there are some 
>folks using a combo of silver, rife and salt/c. I can do the silver, vitamin C 
>and rife, but can't do the salt until I get my blood pressure down. 

 

Thanks for your support. 

 

Greg 
 
  

CS>RE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #181

[Greg Ball]

I can't understand this - I have seen several answers to your question Greg!  
Are you getting the emails through?  dee

 

Hi Dee,

 

Thanks for checking. I guess I was just hoping to have the specific brands 
addressed, but then I saw a person or two say that the brands don't matter.  I 
do find that surprising since there's some comparison chart on line that makes 
the mesosilver look like a star compared to all others. However I don't 
understand the variables they're comparing, so I don't really know if it means 
anything or not. I'd love to know what you all think. 

 

You can see that chart here:

 

http://www.purestcolloids.com/psa-table.php

 

I'm going to try flooding my body with my silvergen silver though, to see if it 
helps. Thanks!



 
  

CS>silver for lyme and babesia

[Greg Ball]

Thanks everyone for addressing my question on the difference between brands and 
home made silver! Looks like I should stick with my home made. One question: 
Steve N. said the following


"I see nothing special about ACS. The ACS kill test data shows a 3 min.
kill time for ACS vs 60 minutes for Sovereign Silver. But ACS is 200 ppm
vs Sovereign Silver's 10 ppm. Just based on ppm alone I would expect ACS
to be 20 times faster and sure enough that is what the results show, If
ACS is diluted to 10 ppm I would expect it would take 60 minutes too.
And the 5 hours for Mesosilver is as expected too. It is known that it
takes time for silver particles to release enough ions to kill pathogens
and sure enough the data shows it.
 
Nothing new in the test data. EIS would be comparable to ACS if both
were at the same ppm."


Here's my question: My Silvergen machine is putting out about 12 ppm. Would 
flooding my body with my silver solution be just as good as taking small 
quantities of the ACS or and Mesosilver? Any idea how much I would need to take 
of the silvergen solution to have it be on the same level of the other two? 


Also - I'm really sorry - I'm super spacey and don't remember if someone 
explained this to me: Is EIS the same thing I make with my silvergen? Or do I 
have to do something to my silvergen solution to make it into EIS? I remember 
someone saying something about adding peroxide. If so, could you share any 
directions? Thanks




Ode Cayote: You said "Could be Tetrasilver Tetroxide by another name." Are 
those two brands brownish? What is tetrasilver tetroxide, and is that a good 
thing or a bad thing? 

 



 

 
  

CS>silver for babesia and lyme

[Greg Ball]

"What you make with your Silvergen is EIS Gregg.  This stands for electrically 
isolated silver - commonly known as colloidal silver.  I have a Silver Puppy 
and if you set it on manual you can make the silver a higher ppm.  I expect you 
can with the SilverGen too. I don't know what the tetroxide is but it sounds 
not good. dee"

 

Hi Dee, actually the silvergen has an automatic shut off device that I don't 
believe you can bypass. I could probably get my silver up slightly higher 
though, just by turning the knob all the way. I think the most I've gotten is 
like 15 ppm. Still not as strong as those brands, but I guess I can drink way 
more of it.  

 

By the way, does anyone know if silver works on babesia, which is a form of 
malaria and it's a protazoan. 

 

Thanks


  

CS>silver for babesia and lyme

[Greg Ball]

__

Wow Steve - Thanks so much for taking the time to explain that! I'm going to 
print that off and study it, as well as the info on the links you gave me. 

 

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:29:55 -0800
From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #188
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com


Greg,
 
A good place to start is by determining how much silver ACS recommends using. 
That is much more important than the actual ppm of the solution. Ppm is mostly 
useful for determining how much silver one is taking. 
 
The recommended dosage for ACS 200 is:
* An initial dose of 1 to 2 ounces. One ounce of ACS 200 contains 5.9 mg of 
silver.
 
Then you take one of the following Daily doses:
* 5 sprays, 2 -3 times daily for a normal dosage. At three times a day that 
would equal 0.48 mg of silver
 
* 10 sprays, 4 times daily for a therapeutic dosage. That would equal 1.28 mg 
of silver.
 
ASAP silver uses H2O2 combined with their CS (EIS). To make CS equivalent to 
the ASAP follow Marshall's directions at the link below. You use the CS you 
make with your Silvergen but wait two days after making the CS before adding 
the 3% H2O2. ASAP uses more H2O2 but I don't know that that will make a 
difference. It might, by increasing the silver oxide content, which appears to 
provide the oomph of their product (per their patent). Marshall's paper:
 
http://www.quantumbalancing.com/real_facts_on_colloidal_silver.htm
 
How does H2O2 affect EIS?
When H2O2 is added to EIS (one or two drops per glass of EIS), it will be noted 
that there is an immediate clearing effect. The Tyndall (what you see if you 
shine a laser pointer though the liquid) will become very faint as well. If the 
ppm of the EIS is sufficiently high (25 to 30 ppm) a white cloudy precipitate 
may form as well. 
There are a number of reactions that occur. H2O2 is normally thought of as an 
oxidizer, but it can act as a reducer as well. Also silver is considered a 
catalyst for H2O2, but in actuality gets directly involved in the reactions. 
The H2O2 reacts with the silver particles, producing ionic silver, a 
combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide. This makes the large 
particles disappear, reducing the tyndall. However H2O2 also reacts with the 
silver oxide and silver hydroxide producing a 2 atom colloid of silver plus 
oxygen (and water in the case of silver hydroxide). Over time this 2 atom 
colloidal particle can end up being converted back to silver oxide and silver 
hydroxide, and so forth. The final result is a mixture of ionic silver 
(hydroxide and oxide) and very small colloidal particles. Thus if you add H2O2 
to freshly made EIS, you can sometimes see the oxygen bubble off, and the 
tyndall may change significantly. But more importantly, the particulate portion 
of the EIS will go from being medium or large particles to many more very small 
particles, and the particle content will increase from a typical 5-15% to 
around 30-50%. If you have a strong tyndall from large particles, it will 
decrease, and if you have a weak or no tyndall it will increase with the 
formation of the 2 atom particles. This enhances absorption, as well as 
effectiveness. Note that it is recommended to let the EIS sit for 5 or more 
minutes if you do add H2O2 to it to let it stabilize. 
 
The amounts equivalent to the ACS doses, for your 12 ppm CS are:
 
For 5.9 mg of silver take 16.9 ounces of 12 ppm CS.
For 0.40 mg of silver take 1.1 ounces of 12 ppm CS
For 1.28 mg of silver take 3.5 ounces of 12 ppm CS
 
I think that those amounts will be equal to or better than what you will get 
with ACS 200 or Mesosilver. 
 
 
However, personally I would reduce the initial and therapeutic dosages to 
something lower. I would cut both in half. For the initial dose, I would take 4 
oz of CS with H2O2 in the morning followed at least 3 hours later by 4 oz of CS 
in 8 oz of Gatorade. I would also cut the therapeutic dosage in half and split 
it between CS/H2O2 and CS/Gatorade. Again taken at different times.
 
The CS/Gatorade combination will provide some silver citrate to your daily 
dose. Personally, I think that is a beneficial addition. Take a look at the 
kill times ACS 200 publishes:
http://www.resultsrna.com/research/acs_200_comparing_kill_kinetics_of_the_leading_antimicrobials.php
Now look at kill times for 30 ppm silver citrate:
http://www.purebio.com/products/sdc_hard_surface
 
The kill times of the 30 ppm silver citrate are equal to those of 200 ppm ACS 
200. I would expect the use of Gatorade will give you equal to or better 
performance while reducing the total amount of silver consumed daily. It also 
keeps average silver consumed to less than 1 mg per day, something I recommend. 
The last part with Gatorade is just my personal opinion. Others may not agree.
 
 - Steve N
 
  

CS>silver for babesia and lyme

[Greg Ball]

_

 

Steve, I looked through everything you gave me, and I have a ton of follow-up 
questions. Here goes:

 

- A couple of questions - how many drops of the 3% peroxide do I use? I think 
my container is holding approximately 16 ounces. Would that be about 2 drops? 

 

- Should I use regular hydragen peroxide from the drug store? 

 

- Once the peroxide goes in, is there a time frame for using it up? For 
example, does it need to be ingested within 24 hours before losing it's potency?

 

- Why do you suggest that I should I wait two days after the silver is made to 
add peroxide? 
 
- Why is 1 mg a day of silver important to stay below? 

 

- 4 ounces of regular gatorade has about 28 grams of sugar. I need to avoid 
sugar for many reasons. Is there some sugar free substitue I can use like 
propel? Or is this risky? 

 

- You said some people disagree with the gatorade approach. Can you share why 
that is?

 

Steve, thanks so much for your help!

_

 
  

CS>RE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #195

[Greg Ball]

 STEVE - YOUR MESSAGE WAS CUT OFF IN THE EMAIL - COULD YOU PLEASE REPOST YOUR 
RESPONSE. Thanks!
 
Also, can you please help me translate - if I'm only making about 16 ounces at 
a time, how much peroxide is that? 
 
Silver does need to be made in a glass bottle, right? I don't have a gallon 
glass bottle. 
 

 
Greg,
I use 1 tsp of 3 % hydrogen peroxide from the store to a gallon of CS. The 
hydrogen peroxide should list only purified water as the inactive ingredients 
and no stabizers. It has been determined that waiting 1 to 2 days before adding 
the 





From: Greg Ball  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com  
Sent: Sun Feb 14 10:17:09 2010
Subject: CS>silver for babesia and lyme 


_
 
Steve, I looked through everything you gave me, and I have a ton of follow-up 
questions. Here goes:
 
- A couple of questions - how many drops of the 3% peroxide do I use? I think 
my container is holding approximately 16 ounces. Would that be about 2 drops? 
 
- Should I use regular hydragen peroxide from the drug store? 
 
- Once the peroxide goes in, is there a time frame for using it up? For 
example, does it need to be ingested within 24 hours before losing it's potency?
 
- Why do you suggest that I should I wait two days after the silver is made to 
add peroxide? 
 
- Why is 1 mg a day of silver important to stay below? 
 
- 4 ounces of regular gatorade has about 28 grams of sugar. I need to avoid 
sugar for many reasons. Is there some sugar free substitue I can use like 
propel? Or is this risky? 
 
- You said some people disagree with the gatorade approach. Can you share why 
that is?
 
Steve, thanks so much for your help!
_
 

  

CS>silver for babesia and lyme

[Greg Ball]

___
Hi Steve,
 
Thanks for all the explanation. I have citric acid for MMS use, but it was way 
too hard on my gut. I could try it with silver though, since I don't know if it 
was the citric acid or the MMS that was burning my gut. Can you tell me how 
many drops of citric acid to use in the silver?
 
One other question - I use ozone water, and do you see any conflict with that 
and silver? Should I be sure to take them far apart? or does it not matter.
 
Thanks!!!

___ 
  

CS>herx & lyme & silver

[Greg Ball]

Dan,
 In addition, though I started right up with no ramping when I started 
taking large quantities daily, I never experienced a herx reaction. Never had 
one during those high dose years, and never have had one since, even though 
once in a while I will still drink a pint or a quart, if there is reason to do 
so. 
   Hmm. Lyme disease is on my list of possibles for some of my health 
conditions. I wonder if never herxing could be a reason to rule out Lyme or its 
co-infections?
sol

 

 

Hi Sol - Is it possible your detox pathways are functioning so well that you're 
not experiencing a herx? Just a thought. 



  

CS>RE: silver-digest Digest V2009 #124

[Greg Ball]

Lyme & Silver Questions:

 

Hi All - I'm considering using colloidal silver as a part of my regular regimen 
for lyme and babesia. I have several questions and I'd be grateful for your 
help. 

 

For your info, I have a Silvergen machine. Here goes:

 

1. Should I be using Silvergen silver, or would I have better results with one 
of the pre-made silvers like mesosilver, nutrasilver or argentyn 23?

 

2. How much silver should I take? Dosage info please.

 

3. Has anyone out there used silver for lyme and babesia? Has it helped?

 

Thanks so much!  

CS>RE: silver-digest Digest V2009 #129

[Greg Ball]

Lyme & Silver Questions:

 

Hi all,

 

I posted this message but haven't gotten any responses. I'd really appreciate 
help with these questions:

 

I'm considering using colloidal silver as a part of my regular regimen for lyme 
and babesia. I have several questions and I'd be grateful for your help. 
 
For your info, I have a Silvergen machine. Here goes:
 
1. Should I be using Silvergen silver, or would I have better results with one 
of the pre-made silvers like mesosilver, nutrasilver or argentyn 23?
 
2. How much silver should I take? Dosage info please.
 
3. Has anyone out there used silver for lyme and babesia? Has it helped?
 
Thanks so much!  

RE: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

[Greg Ball]

Hi  - I'm new to the list and could use advice. I am working on overcoming Lyme 
disease and babesia that I contracted probably 20 years ago. I was given false 
negatives for all those years, and within the last year tried a new test which 
was positive. I am trying to decide on two things:

1. Do I use a home made silver or should I buy the Sovereign Silver or their 
stronger 23 ppm version? 

I have been considering buying the silvergen. I have a small home made three 9 
volt batter silver maker, but it doesn't go above 2-3 ppm, and I'm sure it's 
not a very good quality.  The Sovereign I have heard repeatedly to be the 
purest and the most dispersed and fine particles of silver.  However it's super 
expensive! It would be so much money to just take enough to make a difference.

The Sovereign people say that no home made can compare to their silver's 
purity, effectiveness and safety from Argeria. What do you all think?  Is the 
homemade close enough to be effective and safe? Is the Silvergen the one you 
would suggest? Or should I stick with Sovereign Silver?

2. How much should I be taking to kill lyme and babesia (a single celled 
parasite that is a co-infection w/lyme from the same tick bite). 

Thanks in advance for your advice & support!

Andrea

Re: CS>Malaria questions

[Greg Ball]

I've been diagnosed with babesia which is in the family of malaria. How much 
silver would I take to knock this out? Thanks - Andrea
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:50 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>Malaria questions


  Silver is being used in Mexico with great success to cure Malaria. 

  -Original Message-
  From: Heather King (LCA) [mailto:heather.k...@microsoft.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:25 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS>Malaria questions

  Hello Listers,

  My Parents (65 & 68 years old) just returned from a year in Uganda &
  Malawi, with the longest bit of time spent in very primitive conditions
  in Malawi. My Dad managed to contract malaria about 2 months ago and
  only suffered symptoms for a short duration. They were both on
  antibiotics nearly the whole time they were there, so I was wondering if
  the antibiotics reduced his possible parasitic infection. Would he
  basically still have malaria even though they haven't found much in his
  blood to prove it? Also, in your opinion, what type of damage would
  steady antibiotic use do an older person's immune system, if any? And
  lastly, but probably more importantly, would CS have any effect on
  malaria parasites? Lots of questions, I know. You all seem to have such
  a vast body of experience that I'm hoping this set of Q's falls
  somewhere inside that. 

  Thanks in advance,
  Heather


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Re: CS>and the silver dollar award goes to......measurment tool called..... what ?

[Greg Ball]

Hi V - Glad to see you on this board. I just joined - this is Andrea. You sold 
me a beck some time ago. Did you happen to see my post about which way to go? 
Could you advise me - Sovereign silver or Silvergen? I'd love your opinion. 
Thanks - Andrea
  - Original Message - 
  From: V 
  To: hotmail angelznest 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:20 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>and the silver dollar award goes to..measurment tool 
called. what ?


  Just get one of these and your all set.


  
http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/tds3.htm
  TDS Meter




  Take care,
   V


  > so.

  > what did y'all/we all decide was the best, easiest and most accurate way
  > to measure ppms in our eis/cs or whatever you want to call our silver water?

  > i'm ready to buy something so i can feel like it's NOT only all in my head  
!!!

  > i read the silverpuppy webpage on the meters and it's way above me. 
  > couldn't really find one single sentence with the words "use this to
  > measure the silver ppms and this is how you do it"  anyone fluent in 
simple english on here?

  > thanks silverists,
  > angel



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Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

[Greg Ball]

I did measure it with the tester V just recommended in his post. 
http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/tds3.htm
I actually have that one. The longer I would go with my silver, the more yellow 
it gets. Also, The black debris on the silver wire would get really thick and 
crusty. If I stopped the process to clean the wire - and then started again, 
the silver would get dark or very yellow. I couldn't get it past 2-3 ppm with 
clear water. I don't want the yellow silver as I am aware that represents 
clumping. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Berger 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:03 AM
  Subject: RE: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE


  Hi Andrea,

  Where did you get the dat that the 3-9 only produce a 2 to 3 ppm silver 
solution?

  Whoever told you that is illiterate about the whole process. 

  you can get almost whatever concentration you want. 

  Its just a matter of time. 

  How do you know the concentration ? Have you had it measured with an approved 
device? If not you have no idea what you have.!!

  Don't spend your money on sovereign silver, your home made will work just as 
well.


  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

[Greg Ball]

That makes sense to me. Is there more of a concern with large doses of the 
homemade with Argyria?
  - Original Message - 
  From: sol 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:08 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE


  Even if there was a difference, since SS recommends tiny dosages, 
  couldn't Silverpuppy and Silvergen users just drink more? Lots more? 
  Maybe I'm just a confirmed believer in more is better for serious 
  diseases/infections, but I really just can't see a couple of teaspoons 
  doing much, no matter how good the quality of the CS is.
  sol

  Ode Coyote wrote:

  >   People who use the silvergen or the silverpuppy generators and have 
  > also bought Sovereign Silver say they can't tell any difference at all.
  >
  > Ode



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Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

[Greg Ball]

Thanks Marshall - I do have a beck device, an ozone machine, and also a gb4000. 
I've been waiting to add in the beck and gb4000 as I decided to start on salt/c 
first, and I've been ramping up to the needed dose. That's taking some time. 
I'm planning on doing the entire battle against the buggers. I still could use 
a suggestion as to how much silver to take daily with the Silvergen.  Thanks 
for your help. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley<mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:43 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE


  Greg Ball wrote: 
Hi  - I'm new to the list and could use advice. I am working on overcoming 
Lyme disease and babesia that I contracted probably 20 years ago. I was given 
false negatives for all those years, and within the last year tried a new test 
which was positive. I am trying to decide on two things: 1. Do I use a home 
made silver or should I buy the Sovereign Silver or their stronger 23 ppm 
version? 
Any of the above. But the amounts you will need to do any good this late in 
the game you should consider making your own, otherwise it will get very 
expensive. 
  
  I have been considering buying the silvergen. I have a small home made 
three 9 volt batter silver maker, but it doesn't go above 2-3 ppm, and I'm sure 
it's not a very good quality.  The Sovereign I have heard repeatedly to be the 
purest and the most dispersed and fine particles of silver.  However it's super 
expensive! It would be so much money to just take enough to make a difference.  
The silvergen SG6 is a very good unit. It can produce EIS of over 20 ppm 
consistantly. 
 The Sovereign people say that no home made can compare to their silver's 
purity, effectiveness and safety from Argeria. 

As long as you are getting any colloidal component, then argyria should not 
be a concern. That can be easily detected with a laser pointer. 

What do you all think?  Is the homemade close enough to be effective and 
safe? Is the Silvergen the one you would suggest? Or should I stick with 
Sovereign Silver?  

Homemade if fine, the SilverGen is a good unit. 
  
 2. How much should I be taking to kill lyme and babesia (a single celled 
parasite that is a co-infection w/lyme from the same tick bite).


  The problem with lyme is that it finds very good hiding places. EIS can be 
very effective early on with lyme, but many who have had it for years find that 
although they can clear their blood stream, the spirochetes can still remain in 
the lymph system, nerve ganglia, maybe the brain, and the cartlidges.  Those 
who have found that EIS is not enough have often been able to recover using the 
full Bob Beck Protocol. The EIS clears the blood and muscles, the ozonated 
water the nerve ganglia and brain, the magnetic pulser the lymph system, and 
the blood electrification the blood again. 

  Marshall 

Re: CS>lyme test to andrea

[Greg Ball]

I'm sorry - I don't know what that means. I believe that's the test that I 
showed negative for 20 years. It tests the immune response to the but, however 
many people's bodies do not discern the bug and fight it. I believe it's 
considered a stealth bug. 

I did the Bowen labs test, which actually discerns the bug in the blood. Here 
are links to Bowen labs and also Igenx. Many folks like the Igenx tests. My doc 
who is an infectious disease specialist preferred the bowen test. Here's the 
link: http://www.bowen.org/  
http://www.igenex.com/

Hope this helps! Andrea


  - Original Message - 
  From: Betsy Coffey 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 4:16 PM
  Subject: CS>lyme test to andrea


  Andrea, my mom tested iquivical on a western blott.Do
  you know what this means? she has all the symptoms of
  lyme disease. What test did you recently test positive for?

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Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

[Greg Ball]

Did you ever read that report? Could you share what you saw? I have spent so 
much money on getting well, that the idea of subscribing to another newsletter 
is, well... you can imagine. Anything you can sharre would be greatly 
apprciated.
  - Original Message - 
  From: twll56 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:03 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE


  Dr.Julian Whitaker claims Lyme Disease Cured in 72 hrs.
  Its in some of his free reports when you subscribe to his
  news letter.  1 yr. $49.952 yrs. $79.90
  1-800-211-7657
  1-800-539-8219

Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

[Greg Ball]

I have never seen anywhere that I need to stir. What is this about? Also, what 
is 1 mA per square inch of anode area? Translate please. Thanks!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley<mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:06 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE


  Greg Ball wrote: 
I did measure it with the tester V just recommended in his post. 
http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/tds3.htm<http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/tds3.htm>I
 actually have that one. The longer I would go with my silver, the more yellow 
it gets. Also, The black debris on the silver wire would get really thick and 
crusty. If I stopped the process to clean the wire - and then started again, 
the silver would get dark or very yellow. I couldn't get it past 2-3 ppm with 
clear water. I don't want the yellow silver as I am aware that represents 
clumping.
  Sounds like any of the following: 
  1. Your water is not pure enough 
  2. You are not limiting to 1 mA per square inch of anode area 
  3. You are not stirring rapid enough. 

  A light yellow is fine, but you do not want a strong yellow or dark color. 

  Marshall 

Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

[Greg Ball]

why add the H2o2? Does that alter the silver in any way? 8 drops per 8 ounces 
or total? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nancy DeLise<mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:25 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE


  If you are making pure CS there is no danger of argyeria.  I believe you can 
take a gallon a day with no problem, however, if you could drink a gallon day? 
who would. I believe 16-20 oz.per day with 8 drops of 3 % H2o2 added to it.
  Nancy
- Original Message ----- 
From: Greg Ball<mailto:granb...@msn.com> 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE


That makes sense to me. Is there more of a concern with large doses of the 
homemade with Argyria?

Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE

[Greg Ball]

Nancy - I may have missed this in another post, but how much sovereign did you 
take, and did you combine that with homemade? Also, how did you make your 
homemade silver?

Lastly, why mix the silver with the H202? I have an ozone machine and can drink 
ozone water. Would this be the same because it ads oxygen? or is there 
something about the peroxide that's unique? Does it combine somehow with the 
silver?

Thanks so much for sharing!
  - Original Message - 
  From: sol 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:14 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE


  Could you tell us exactly how you made your homemade CS? I'd like to 
  know if my homemade is comparable to yours or not.
  thanks,
  sol

  Nancy DeLise wrote:

  >I must differ with you.  It was my experience...I took my homemade CS (16-24
  >oz. per day of approx 10ppm) for 2 1/2 years and got better BUT painfully
  >slow.  Thanks to this list, I learned about H2o2 and began adding it to my
  >CS 1 drop 3%  per 2 oz. of CS)I saw improvement much quicker...Finally I
  >learned about Sovereign Silver and with in months was very much improved.
  >People who have MS and started with Sovereign Silver saw results quicker
  >then I did with my homemade.
  >For most uses everyday I would say 1-2 oz. of home made per day is great,
  >and topically, there is NOTHING better...but for a disease ie: cancer, MS,
  >lupus, fibromyalgia, Lyme, etcI would do Sovereign Silver (At least a
  >combination of both home made and Sovereign Silver).
  >Nancy
  >  
  >


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Re: CS>product to nancy-web site to lea ann

[Greg Ball]

Hi Nancy and all - I don't know if I'm getting all my messages because I think 
I'm missing some info here. I would like to understand the H202 thing better. 
Does everyone agree that H202 breaks down the particle sizes? Does it actually 
stop clumping, or is it doing something to the individual silver particles? 
Also, I think someone said 1 drop per 2 ounces of silver water. Is this what 
everyone is doing - or are others using different amounts. 

Thanks - Andrea
  - Original Message - 
  From: Betsy Coffey 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 4:01 PM
  Subject: CS>product to nancy-web site to lea ann


  Thanks Nacny. I guess I didnt realize that the h202
  added was to break down the particles in the cs. I
  somehow thought that it was added as an extra
  medicinal way to kill bacteria and fungi. The product
  I was referring to is called stomach rescue. Lea Ann,
  have you googled rarediseases.org for your friends illness?

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CS>H202 & SILVER

[Greg Ball]

Hi all - I don't know if I'm getting all my messages because I think I'm 
missing some info here. I would like to understand the H202 thing better. Does 
everyone agree that H202 breaks down the particle sizes? Does it actually stop 
clumping, or is it doing something to the individual silver particles? Also, I 
think someone said 1 drop per 2 ounces of silver water. Is this what everyone 
is doing - or are others using different amounts. 

  Thanks - Andrea
- Original Message - 
From: Betsy Coffey 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 4:01 PM
Subject: CS>product to nancy-web site to lea ann


Thanks Nacny. I guess I didnt realize that the h202
added was to break down the particles in the cs. I
somehow thought that it was added as an extra
medicinal way to kill bacteria and fungi. The product
I was referring to is called stomach rescue. Lea Ann,
have you googled rarediseases.org for your friends illness?

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Re: CS>Argyria & nanosilver

[Greg Ball]

Dr. - you wrote: 

As long as we make crystal clear CS/EIS, a large part
of it will be Nanosilver.

What is EIS?

Thank you 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Terry Chamberlin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:35 PM
  Subject: CS>Argyria & nanosilver


  Recently there were posts between Marshall and Ole Bob
  concerning what causes argyria. Marshall posted
  several websites to support the statements he made. I
  looked over each of them. His points about argyria
  being caused by ionic and not colloidal silver are
  examples of the confusion that occurs repeatedly on
  this list from using words with different definitions.


  I find a great deal of the discussion here to
  sometimes be confusing because there have been no
  agreed-upon definitions of the words we use, different
  definitions are used than the rest of the scientific
  world uses, and two people will be talking apples and
  oranges without knowing it.

  I regularly see listers using *colloidal* as being
  different than *ionic*, even though absolutely
  everything we make is ionic. I would like to see a
  description of how to make a colloidal silver with
  electricity in which the silver particles do not have
  a charge. IONIC means "an atom or group of atoms that
  have a charge".

  
http://www.ozoneservices.com/glossary/i/ion.htm
  
http://herh.ednet.ns.ca/Teachers/FarrellL/AtomicTheoryFAQ.htm#10
  
http://ic-www.arc.nasa.gov/ic/projects/remote-agent/activities/pofo/docs/Propulsion/1-what-is-an-ion.html


  Marshall's claim that only "ionic" silver causes
  argyria and not "colloidal" silver is based on a
  specific description of the mechanism of argyria that
  he accepts as valid. After perusing the sites Marshall
  posted, I could not find that description. The idea
  that only ionic silver salts cause argyria after they
  have reached the capillaries of the skin and are
  exposed to sunlight (which causes them to darken in
  color) has a logical sound to it, but it has some
  difficulties. I so far have not been able to find any
  medical resource that attributes the formation of
  argyria to that mechanism. If only silver "ions" cause
  argyria, how did the European Royalty get argyria from
  ingesting metallic silver powder? Marshall said, "Can
  you name any other form of silver besides a salt or
  compound that can cause argyria and the process by
  which it could do so?" Well, metallic silver powder is
  one. One possible explanation is that the stomach's
  digestive acid converted some of the silver powder to
  a silver salt. Since all ingested silver must pass
  through the stomach and its digestive acid bath (which
  apparently turns it into a silver salt), why would
  "ionic" silver (which is all that we make) be
  specified as the causative factor? If stomach acid
  does not convert metallic/colloidal silver into a salt
  form, how explain the argyria from drinking silver
  powder? And it completely begs the question of cases
  of argyria caused by inhaling silver powder, or
  applying silver compounds to the skin, sinuses and
  other mucous membranes.

  The medical establishment doesn't know what actually
  CAUSES argyria, they only know what happens before it
  appears (ingesting huge amounts of silver nitrate,
  etc.). I have not seen a description of the mechanism
  of argyria that is comprehensive enough to account for
  all the various ways that argyria is contracted.

  We still seem to be differentiating between particles
  of one size and particles of another by calling the
  one "colloidal" and the other "ionic", when actually,
  they are all ionic. 

  To make a silver preparation in which the particles
  are so small that they make no color or have much or
  any Tyndall is to have particles that are billionths
  of a meter (nanometer) in size, which is called,
  accurately, nanosilver. Nanosilver cannot be made with
  any compounds resulting because the particles would be
  too large to be nanometer in size. Nanosilver cannot
  be made with anything but the purest silver and the
  purest water. Is that not what we do? If you brew a
  solution long enough to cause a yellow or gold color,
  the solution is still pure, but the particles are not
  nanometer in size. Nanosilver is, by definition, a
  pure silver preparation with silver particles measured
  in nanometers. It must be pure to even be made.

  As long as we make crystal clear CS/EIS, a large part
  of it will be Nanosilver.

  There is no evidence whatsoever that it is even
  possible to cause argyria from any amount or any
  application of Nanosilver. Nanosilver is not affected
  by heat, cold, sunlight, magnetism, etc., and is the
  mos

CS>PLEASE CHANGE SUBSCRIPTION TO DIGEST

[Greg Ball]

Sorry to do this on the regular list, but I've been sending this request to the 
appropriate email, but it has not been taken care of. I am getting a lot out of 
this board but it's flooding my inbox. I'm hoping the list master will see this 
and stop the individual emails and change me to a daily digest. 

Thanks
Andrea
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:46 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>Cansema Paste 


  The presidency has been a military dictatorship since 1862.  He has the
  authority to do whatever the  he chooses 

  -Original Message-
  From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] 
  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:57 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>Cansema Paste 

  Amen.

  According the mainstream news reports, President Bush has admitted his 
  repeated and willful violations of the law in ordering spying on 
  American citizens; according to AP, the FBI admits that most of the  
  more than 10,000 were not suspected of any wrongdoing.

  Only a handful of persons knows the true purpose of these illegal 
  actions.

  I would go so far as to assume that every person on our list may be 
  monitored by someone.

  When the truth finally comes out, there may be some changes in 
  government.



  On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 22:07 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

  > Big brother is watching us all.


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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2005 #858

[Greg Ball]

When I had a lung infection I got a nebulizer and put Sovereign silver in and 
inhaled deeply, holding the silver mist in. I got rid of the infection quicker 
than my husband who started antibiotics before I started these silver 
treatments. Andrea
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  To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:23 AM
  Subject: silver-digest Digest V2005 #858

CS>PEROXIDE & SILVER - HOW LONG?

[Greg Ball]

How Long do you have to leave the silver before you drink it once you've added 
the hydrogen peroxide?
  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:59 PM
  Subject: silver-digest Digest V2005 #860

CS>Bev's Lyme disease...

[Greg Ball]

Bev, after lots of serious research, I decided not to use antibiotics but to do 
the following. I bought a rife machine. I have not started yet as I am doing 
the salt/C and want to ramp up to a good dose first. Then I will add rife, mag 
pulser and beck later. I have been taking glutathione IV's which help clear out 
the toxins the bugs make. It has helped me very significantly and is worth the 
time and money. I find it has helped my immune system as my blood work has 
improved, and it helps with energy and mental clarity. I seem to get less 
infections. 

I eat low carb as described in the book Protein Power, which appears to be the 
best diet for those with lyme. It definitely makes a difference for me.

I find the lyme/rife group on yahoo to be most helpful with all kinds of 
issues. 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme-and-rife/

I find the salt/c yahoo group to be helpful with info for that tactic. 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/
  

Lymenet.org has some good boards with folks who are using mainstream and 
alternative approaches: 
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?

I will pulse in natural antibiotics such as silver and samento for maybe 2-3 
weeks at a time as any more than that can push the bugs to change form and hide 
if I understand things correctly. I'm not sure yet if I can take silver 
continuously or not without causing other approaches to be less effective. I 
don't believe that silver on it's own can reach the bugs in all the hiding 
places and and all their forms, so I intend to use silver as a part of the plan 
to lower the bug load. Ozone is also something I use that makes a dent in how I 
feel, but as a stand alone, it won't conquer the lyme, possibly for the same 
reasons as silver, but I intend to use it with everything else. I've used it 
for years and feel it's really helped me. 

Additionally, I think cleansing is essential before doing all of this. I did a 
colon cleanse with oxy-powder, which I found to be more effective than any 
other type of colon cleanse I've tried. Then I did 5 Hulda Clark ( 
www.curezone.com ) style liver flushes which made a 
big difference. Many of my blood tests went normal from the flushes. I used a 
kidney cleanse formula also. I believe that colon and liver cleansing are 
essential to allow the body to handle the toxins created by killing the bugs. 
It can make for less intense and prolonged herxing, with less damage to the 
system from toxins. 

 I do hope this helps. Andrea
  - Original Message - 
  From: M. G. Devour 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:42 PM
  Subject: CS>Bev's Lyme disease...


  Folks, is there anybody with other suggestions for Bev? She's dealing 
  with Lyme complicated by past chemotherapy, it seems.

  There are people who've done amazing things against deep seated Lyme 
  using Rife, electrical devices, and numerous other therapies besides 
  CS. Can we get a brief re-hash of some of this, please?

  One source i was thinking about was Bryan Posner's book: 

 http://www.lymebook.com/

  I haven't read it, but know enough to suspect it's worth the read.

  Any others?

  Thanks,

  Mike D.
   
  > Andrea,
  > 
  > I have had lyme disease with no co infections for 8 yrs.  I have used
  > sovernign silver but quite frankly, the silver does not help me at
  > all. I  tried for several months with an MD who is also alternative. 
  > I truly wished it had helped as antibiotics do their damage too.  I
  > have no alternative at this point.  I have a generator that I bought
  > and now don't  use.  My dr. recommended it. 
  > 
  > I was about to unsubscribe from this list as there are so many that
  > don't  help a lyme disease person from what I can see and yet I
  > haven't as yet.  I  wish there was a lyme/silver only list that I could
  > rely on. Also,  this bacteria is so tricky and each of our bodies are
  > so different.  I have  gone thru breast cancer in 81 and it was in my
  > lymph nodes and wasn't suppose to  survive. I had a year of
  > chemotherapy and I'm aliver after so many years  ago. If someone can
  > truly tell me a similar story with cancer/chemo and  now lyme disease I
  > guess that would help.  Chemo does permanant damage and now the
  > bacteria is having a field day. 
  > 
  > I do trust SS and there is a gal in Texas that was able to get it for
  > me at  cost.  If that is of help send me your information and I'll try
  > to help.  For now, I am on Bicillin LA for the past 4 months and
  > herxing like  crazy. 
  > 
  > Bev
  > 

  [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
  [mdev...@eskimo.com]
  [Speaking only for myself... 

CS>

[Greg Ball]

Bev and others, I did send this late last night but have not seen it in the 
digest. Just wanted to make sure Bev sees this. Also I wanted to add that the 
reason that I decided not to use antibiotics is that I've had lyme for perhaps 
20 years with false negatives on tests, until the recent new tests came out. It 
appeared to me that once folks with late stage lyme who got off the meds, they 
frequently relapsed. It appears the meds do kill some of the load, but the bugs 
go into places in the body where the meds can't penetrate in enough 
concentration, such as the brain. They also change into a different form which 
keeps them dormant and hidden from meds. So you can feel better, but stop the 
drug and they start to get active and reproduce.  Here's last nights message:


Bev, after lots of serious research, I decided not to use antibiotics but to do 
the following. I bought a rife machine. I have not started yet as I am doing 
the salt/C and want to ramp up to a good dose first. Then I will add rife, mag 
pulser and beck later. I have been taking glutathione IV's which help clear out 
the toxins the bugs make. It has helped me very significantly and is worth the 
time and money. I find it has helped my immune system as my blood work has 
improved, and it helps with energy and mental clarity. I seem to get less 
infections. 

I eat low carb as described in the book Protein Power, which appears to be the 
best diet for those with lyme. It definitely makes a difference for me.

I find the lyme/rife group on yahoo to be most helpful with all kinds of 
issues. 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme-and-rife/

I find the salt/c yahoo group to be helpful with info for that tactic. 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/
  

Lymenet.org has some good boards with folks who are using mainstream and 
alternative approaches: 
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?

I will pulse in natural antibiotics such as silver and samento for maybe 2-3 
weeks at a time as any more than that can push the bugs to change form and hide 
if I understand things correctly. I'm not sure yet if I can take silver 
continuously or not without causing other approaches to be less effective. I 
don't believe that silver on it's own can reach the bugs in all the hiding 
places and and all their forms, so I intend to use silver as a part of the plan 
to lower the bug load. Ozone is also something I use that makes a dent in how I 
feel, but as a stand alone, it won't conquer the lyme, possibly for the same 
reasons as silver, but I intend to use it with everything else. I've used it 
for years and feel it's really helped me. 

Additionally, I think cleansing is essential before doing all of this. I did a 
colon cleanse with oxy-powder, which I found to be more effective than any 
other type of colon cleanse I've tried. Then I did 5 Hulda Clark ( 
www.curezone.com ) style liver flushes which made a 
big difference. Many of my blood tests went normal from the flushes. I used a 
kidney cleanse formula also. I believe that colon and liver cleansing are 
essential to allow the body to handle the toxins created by killing the bugs. 
It can make for less intense and prolonged herxing, with less damage to the 
system from toxins. 

 I do hope this helps. Andrea
  - Original Message - 
  From: M. G. Devour 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:42 PM
  Subject: CS>Bev's Lyme disease...


  Folks, is there anybody with other suggestions for Bev? She's dealing 
  with Lyme complicated by past chemotherapy, it seems.

  There are people who've done amazing things against deep seated Lyme 
  using Rife, electrical devices, and numerous other therapies besides 
  CS. Can we get a brief re-hash of some of this, please?

  One source i was thinking about was Bryan Posner's book: 

 http://www.lymebook.com/

  I haven't read it, but know enough to suspect it's worth the read.

  Any others?

  Thanks,

  Mike D.
   
  > Andrea,
  > 
  > I have had lyme disease with no co infections for 8 yrs.  I have used
  > sovernign silver but quite frankly, the silver does not help me at
  > all. I  tried for several months with an MD who is also alternative. 
  > I truly wished it had helped as antibiotics do their damage too.  I
  > have no alternative at this point.  I have a generator that I bought
  > and now don't  use.  My dr. recommended it. 
  > 
  > I was about to unsubscribe from this list as there are so many that
  > don't  help a lyme disease person from what I can see and yet I
  > haven't as yet.  I  wish there was a lyme/silver only list that I could
  > rely on. Also,  this bacteria is so tricky and each of our bodies are
  >

Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2005 #858

[Greg Ball]

For the lung infection thing with my nebulizer, I used Sovereign as I was 
afraid to use my homemade for my lungs. I felt purity was really important and 
also I wanted the small particle size of Sovereign. For my lungs, I think I 
would stick to Sovereign, but that's just me. Andrea
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ode Coyote<mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:56 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2005 #858


 There's very little, if any, appreciable difference..
I know of 2 people who cured...yes CURED..long term chronic lung 
  infections using home made CS and nothing more than an atomizer to inhale 
  it with after the antibiotics did nothing more that fight the infection 
  back 'some' and having it come back over and over.

One of those people had been in a wheelchair on oxygen and nebulized 
  medications for a decade due to his lung infection..now up and about 
  feeling good. [That one used a nebulizer.  It took about 6 weeks to cut 
  though and cough up all the green crud built up over the years]

The other, a friend of the family, wowed his doctor after she threw her 
  hands up,  took him off the antibiotics and gave him a death sentence. [He 
  used an atomizer.  It took about 2 weeks of carrying a little spray bottle 
  around]

He went in for monitoring every other day.  The doc said, "Whatever you 
  are doing, keep it up."

  Ode

  At 09:02 PM 12/22/2005 -0600, you wrote:

  >hi
  >
  >would home made CS be just as good? also what type/kind of nebulizer do 
  >you use?
  >
  >thanks
  >chad
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  >From: <mailto:granb...@msn.com>Greg<mailto:granb...@msn.com>Greg> Ball
  >To: 
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  >Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:54 PM
  >Subject: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2005 #858
  >
  >When I had a lung infection I got a nebulizer and put Sovereign silver in 
  >and inhaled deeply, holding the silver mist in. I got rid of the infection 
  >quicker than my husband who started antibiotics before I started these 
  >silver treatments. Andrea
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  >Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:23 AM
  >Subject: silver-digest Digest V2005 #858
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Re: CS>Efficacy of antibiotic treatment for Lyme disease

[Greg Ball]

Marshall, how long did you take the cmo for? What symptoms of the lyme did it 
help with?

- Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 2:02 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Efficacy of antibiotic treatment for Lyme disease


  It is extracted from Beef tallow from what I remember, and resets the immune
  system.  It completely got rid of my arthritis.  If I remember right a round
  was 3 capsules a day for 10 days, 30 capsules total.

  Marshall

  sol wrote:

  > Marshall,
  > I know nothing about CMO except that I looked into it a couple years
  > ago, and don't remember anything about it. I don't even know what it is,
  > how it is taken, or what a 'round' of it would entail. Don't remember
  > where to get it either. Used to be someone on this list who sold it, IIRR.
  > Could you post more details? I'd like to know more about your
  > experience with it.
  > thanks,
  > sol
  >
  > Marshall Dudley wrote:
  >
  > >I consider this quite likely. In fact I have been saying this for about 6
  > >years now. Although I got significant improvement from the IV I eventually
  > >received in the late 80's, it was 10 years before I got rid of all my
  > >symptoms, only when I started using EIS (CS)  and took a round of CMO did
  > >the symptoms leave completely.  As most of you know CMO resets the immune
  > >system, stopping any autoimmune problems.
  > >
  > >Marshall
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
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CS>Consuming silver with food/vits?

[Greg Ball]

Hi all,

I'm being told that silver needs to be ingested apart from stuff like
salt, vit C, etc. I know you need pure water to make the silver so it
doesn't bond with these things, but do you need to keep it apart from
food and vits when you eat for the same reason?  I've read it's best to take it 
on an empty stomach, but thought that was because it would be more effective, 
not because it was bonding with other substances. I take ozone water first 
thing in the AM on an empty stomach, and then eat frequent small meals and many 
supplements throughout the day, so it's pretty impossible to find a time with 
an empty stomach. 

Also, does anyone know if silver will kill babesia which is a single cell 
parasite in the family of malaria? If so, how much of my silvergen made silver 
should I take for this?


 

CS>Cholesterol for Teri

[Greg Ball]

Hi Teri - two things that have brought down my husband and my cholesterol 
naturally and radically:

Protein power diet - We both eat this way and it makes a huge difference to our 
levels. 

Liver flushing - I was doing a "Hulda Clark" style liver flush for other 
reasons and a side effect was that my cholesterol was lowered significantly 
after doing a couple of them. You can find directions and info on 
www.curezone.com  There is some risk involved with 
it, so you should read the site carefully to make your decision about doing it. 
It's my understanding that a clogged up liver can be a cause of high 
cholesterol. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
  To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:31 AM
  Subject: silver-digest Digest V2006 #442

CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2006 #446

[Greg Ball]

I thought I would repeat my original question so it is not lost, as I am still 
looking for the answers. Here it is again - thanks all:

I'm being told that silver needs to be ingested apart from stuff like
salt, vit C, etc. I know you need pure water to make the silver so it
doesn't bond with these things, but do you need to keep it apart from
food and vits when you eat for the same reason?  I've read it's best to take it 
on an empty stomach, but thought that was because it would be more effective, 
not because it was bonding with other substances. I take ozone water first 
thing in the AM on an empty stomach, and then eat frequent small meals and many 
supplements throughout the day, so it's pretty impossible to find a time with 
an empty stomach. 

Also, does anyone know if silver will kill babesia which is a single cell 
parasite in the family of malaria? If so, how much of my silvergen made silver 
should I take for this?
  - Original Message - 
  From: 
silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
  To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:21 AM
  Subject: silver-digest Digest V2006 #446