CS>EIS + DMSO on humans...
Hi there, Are there some experiences with EIS together with DMSO on humans? We have some requirements the EIS to penetrate entirely and deeper to the skin and maybe deeper, uner the skin. I have noticed, that DMSO causes some skin problems as excema or allergic reactions. Can you help? Pavel Hochmut -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>uterine suppository cancer
Hi there, I have one very serious question to you: Do you have any findings in treating the uterine suppository cancer by the CS ??? I appreciate any info & links. Pavel Hochmut;-) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Hanna PWT meter readout puzzle
Hi there, I have some problem which I do not know how to explain. If I make EIS and I make the PWT test immediately after finishing the batch, the readout is e.g. 34 microSiemens. If I repeat the measurement after some hours, I can read about 23 microSiemens. Within 24 hours after the batch finish I can measure 16,5 microSiemens in the same batch. Can anybody give me the explanation of this? Thanks Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS & DMSO application
Hi there, I have very good experience with the CS to beat hystiocytom (benign tumor) which my fox-hound dog had on her ear some one year ago. I used pure CS and tumor healed within 3 weeks. We have the same problem now, two hystiocytoms appeared few days ago. I have access to the DMSO and I need to know how to apply the DMSO and CS together and exact dosages as I have no experience with it. Can you help me please? Pavel Hochmut ;-) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Fw: CS>Magnet Question
This one is manufactured for making North pole magnetized water. $36 shipped. http://www.quantumbalancing.com/vortex_magnetizer.htm But what are you talking about? I consider to talk about "North Polarized Water" to be quietly incorrect. Water consists of molecules, that can be this way (e.g. by permanent magnets) "magnetized". And realize: every magnet consists of the two ends: South and the North one. This means, that water molecules organize its magnetic poles i.e. North and South in ONE = UNIFORM DIRECTION. The stage of the water "magnetization" can be then considered by the ratio of polarized and non-polarized water molecules. It does not matter whether you use North or South pole to apply as adjacent pole of magnet to the water the result will be the same: the polarized water molecules shift their magnetic orientation simultaneously to ONE DIRECTION. There are only several influences which affect the stage degree of water "magnetization": they are mainly: the magnetic field strength and its orientation (meant as vector), surely there is great influence of the water velocity (!!!) when entering and leaving the magnetic field, maybe other influences may occur such as water temperature and pressure, etc. Look at the vortex they induce on the video in the bottles. Swear, you can do it in all the bottles with such a connection, BUT: THEY GIVE THE MOSTLY IMPORTANT VELOCITY to the water. Other matters they present, as: magnet positioning, enhancing magnets by aulterra, impolsion process, ect. ... these are absolutely babbles to get the people confused. Pavel Hochmut - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:12 PM Subject: Re: CS>Magnet Question > This one is manufactured for making North pole magnetized water. $36 shipped. > > http://www.quantumbalancing.com/vortex_magnetizer.htm > > > Steve > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Fw: CS>Silver electrode pollution reasons
No, No, I think you are not right because as I describe, the electrode pollution decreases as I proceed the batches one by one. If it was silver oxide, pollution intensity remains through all the batches the same. But the reason of the electrode pollution decreases evidently as the batches go on and on. Hence meanwhile I see no other explanation than I propose. Pavel Hochmut - Original Message - From: "Marshalee" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:49 AM Subject: Re: CS>Silver electrode pollution reasons > I thought the stuff on the electrodes was silver oxide, from the oxygen > relased by the electrolysis. > It isn`t?? > Marshalee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Silver electrode pollution reasons
Hi all of you, I want to open the question of the electrode pollution during the electrolytic process. I find that this phenomenon can be result of the DW impurity contents. I use to make CS in sequence of five to twelve batches en bloc, using very, very pure DW, with conductance about 0.01 microsiemens (). I always have to clean the electrodes at the end of every batch (47 minutes). BUT: later - as the batches are followed one by one and as the apparatus cleans up from impurities (what other condition can cause smaller and smaller electrode pollution during almost continual electrolytic process?), the electrode pollution appears later and later and very, very much slighter. After some four or five batches electrodes remain almost unchanged in color after every more batch. Since I realized this relation, I get rinse all the apparatus inside by DW prior starting the first batch. Since then I obtain very good results, the electrode pollution of the first batches seems to be really greatly affected by this act. And once I made some measurement of the input and output DW conductance, understand: without electrolysis, just measuring the conductance value in front of the apparatus ...and then taking the outlet DW conductance value. This measurement was made after some longer pause when the apparatus was left out of work for several weeks, but tightly closed (). First of all, what a surprise, when I measured some 2,4 microsiemens in the outgoing DW. This value fall back to 0,01microsiemens after a fairly period - when content of the apparatus changed completely several times. This phenomenon maybe also caused by silver electrode impurities. As I use 99.99 silver as standard, I did not examine the possible influence of silver impurities to their pollution, beyond it is absolutely impossible to get true 99.999 silver. Maybe some reliable results can be obtained to compare 99.99 silver with some impure, e.g. sovereign silver electrodes. Do you others have the same or different findings or remarks Pavel Hochmut;-) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS vs. spinal chord inflammation
Does anybody have experience if the CS also works for this dissease? Thanks Pavel Hochmut -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>silver gel
Any findings how to make gel containing CS ? Many Thanks Pavel Hochmut -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2005 #397
seš tam, myšuldo ??? - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2005 #397 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
Hi, I would like to ask: Suppose, we have two CS batches with the particles of the same size, they differ in concentration only. The first has 10 ppm and the second has (to simplify the example) has 20 ppm of concentration. Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Or am I wrong? Where is the mistake? Many thanks Pavel Hochmut -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Alcoholism
Linda said, "Back then, drug and alchohol rehab wasn't a topic I had much interest in, but it turns out we have a family member who is now afflicted. I'd like to find that info on the medical device, since the detox centers sure aren't working" Quietly new ways are available now for the detox cure. Look at: www.ibogaine.org Look for "ibogaine" keyword to search in Google. You may have many findings. Pavel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2004 #476
Hi, Can somebody direct me to some scientific analysis about CS interference to fungus & fungi? Many thanks Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Anyone Using Real Silverware?
YES, there is some remedy. I have seen it some six years ago for the first time. They sell such a (It must be metallic) plate which is to be placed into the hot and salted water. Then you just put in your silverware to let it clean up. No mechanical treatment, no polishing. Cleans up even inaccessible places... Must work on the electrolysis principles anyhow. Maybe visiting some of some jewellery would help. They surely must use it to cleanup the silver jewelry of the clients (in any case they must clean it after repairs...). A also have seen it to be sold on the market. Pavel H. - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: Re: CS>Anyone Using Real Silverware? > I was going to use my mother's, but found it very hard to keep up, I got > tired of the immediate washing and the polishing. No patience for fiddly > tasks like that. > paula > > Garnet wrote: > > >I recently inherited my Mother's silverware. I am wondering if there is > >any consensus on daily use. It is sterling. I know there are other > >metals in sterling, although I don't seem to react to wearing sterling > >jewelry. > > > >Anyone have any feedback? Seems silly to just put it away for special > >occasions if it would be of benefit. > > > >Garnet > > > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>ppm - what an instrument?
Hi, I see some discrepance in the ppm definitions, I do not knw what is the truth...until now. Look at the following text from www.elixa.com/silver/zanesize.htm and even if I admit the second version to be truth, then, I really miss the ppm importance, it seems to be vague if considering all aspects of the statement ...The statement 'less is more' is often made when referring to colloidal silver and colloidal technology in general. What this means is that the number of silver particles determines the quality and effectiveness of colloidal silver, NOT simply the concentration. The term 'ppm' or 'parts per million' is confusing because it is not referring to the number of parts or particles, it is actually a different way to express total weight or total amount of silver. Since a colloidal product can have particles ranging in size from 1n to100n, it is difficult to judge the quality of a product by simply knowing the ppm. For example, a product with a concentration of 5 ppm with an average particle size of 5n would actually have more silver particles than another product of 25ppm with an average size of 50n and thus be safer and more effective. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>the colloid and the ionic
Hi, I have found on the www.pages concerning the CS some statements about colloidal and ionic silver which contradict one each other. These texts can be found e.g. on: www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm .. The word "ionic" refers to a condition where a particle has an electric charge. In the case of "electro-colloidal" silver, this electric charge is ALWAYS positive. Silver will not form a negatively charged ion. So, the truth is that electro-colloidal silver is BOTH colloidal and ionic. It is considered colloidal because of the particle SIZE and it is considered ionic because of the particle CHARGE. In fact, most of the biological studies suggest it is colloidal silver's ionic characteristics that make it such a good germicide. It is also interesting to note that the old chemistry books make no distinction between the colloidal and ionic states of the electro-colloidal metals. and also on: www.silverfacts.com/ionic&colloidal.html The most common and historically familiar terms in the alternative medicine filed is "colloidal" silver. Recently the term "ionic silver" (or "ionic silver complex") has also been introduced. There are many claims about what is good and bad about the two forms of silver, very little based on fact. First and foremost, there are simply limits on what we know in modern science about just how these substances behave in and affect the human body and pathogens. Therefore, when presenting claims or facts, we must be diligent in being honest with others and with ourselves as to what we know, what we suspect, and what we just don't have a clue about. The term colloidal silver is itself a bit vague, or nondescript. It is often used to refer to any form of silver that is suspended or in solution in a water base and can be ingested or applied topically. A common definition of a colloidal suspension is that is is very different from a substance being dissolved in solution, though the definition of a "colloidal suspension" is, even in well respected scientific texts, not consistently agreed upon. A quick search through reference sources will show this to be the case. Occasionally, the terms mild silver protein and strong silver protein are also used, which may or may not be represented as being "colloidal" silver. Whether or not mild or strong silver protein qualifies as being colloidal silver is open to debate, though usually colloidal silver is not mild or strong silver protein. The more recently introduced "ionic silver complex" is distinctly not a colloidal suspension, but lay people still often use the very familiar term "colloidal silver" to refer to it as well. Once, as I can understand, the text refers about that the colloidal and ionic silver are the same. The other text tells about the opposite. I would like know, where is the truth. Can somebody help or explain? Many thanks Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>current values vs. current density
Hi, Can somebody let me know, what current density is being used (mA/sq. inch) on the device such as HVAC Ultra, SG7, SG or SG6 are ??? Maybe Trem should know... Many thanks Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>unicell organisms
Hi, Does somebody know something about the CS influence to sperms and ovulum ? Suppose they also can be considered unicellar, even in very special form. Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>The Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values
Hi Mike, YES, I am working on it day and night for almost two month. But you know, you catch many different information here and there and it makes you to be confused very often if you have no reference point. Now, I get very closely and I get the rid of it. I still have some inquisitive questions (mainly to Marshall) but I have to think of it very much first. You know, it´s electrochemistry and all of us (me and my friend from the branch) we were likely sleeping when taking the lecture of it Regards Pavel > Hi Pavel, > > It sounds like you're getting your understanding pretty well > straightened out. > > The PWT measures conductivity (in microsiemens), and any relationship > with concentration (parts per million) has to be determined by > comparison with measurements made by other methods. The calibration > will only apply to a single brewing recipe and only so long as > conditions remain the same from batch to batch. Make any changes to how > you make your CS and you'd have to get another batch tested. > > > I have looked for what the "PWT" means on the Hanna www.pages. Both > > devices mentioned below are from Hanna and are designated for measuring > > the conductivity. Both of them can ONLY measure the conductivity ... I > > bet my year s income, that the resulting conductance measurements shall > > be absolutely different. I swear. Or can somebody mend my opinion? > > Where s the mistake? Thanks > > Well, keep your money! I bet you're right. > > Be well, > > Mike D. > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>The Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values
Hi Trem, You´re right, I just was arranging all the information about the PWT, so the conductance measurements and units arised in my mind to be mentioned properly. So I did it. I just noted that the "PWT" instead "microSiemens" has been frequently used as if it is the same. Pavel H. > Hi Pavel, > > I forgot to mention the UPW meter only measures to 1.999 uS which is not > adequate for measuring all distilled water since much of the available water > is above 2.0 uS. And of course it wouldn't be able to measure CS at all. > Not a good choice. It's for measuring the highest grade water such as that > used in circuit board cleaning, etc. > > Trem > > > - Original Message - > From: "Pavel Hochmut" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:30 AM > Subject: [silver_list] CS>The Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values > > > > If you look on the Hanna pages more carefuly, you can also find the > HI98309 > > "UPW" meter (the UPW means Ultra Pure Water tester) with the range 1,000 - > > 0,020 microSiemens with the resolution of 0,001 microsiemens. > > So: who has the HI 98309 UPW model, he can measure the conductivity more > > precisely having dvo decimal places more than with the PWT model. But the > > UPW model is approx. 3 times more expensive than the PWT one. > > So, one who says: " I have measured my DW and it has 2,9 PWT tells it > wrong. > > Correctly should be said: 2,9 microSiemens (...measured with Hanna PWT > > meter). > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >
Re: CS>CS batches with AC
Thank you very much for your comprehensive reply, Marshall. Regards Pavel H. - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS batches with AC > Pavel Hochmut wrote: > > > Hi Marshall, > > As I see, you use the contact resistance i.e. silver electrode surface part > > that becomes into a contact with water (immersed part) to be a part of the > > current regulation system: the longer part of silver electrode immersed = > > the lower resistance of the batch ( = the higher conductance of the batch) > > which results in higher current flow across the batch. > > Some of it might be considered contact resistance, but most of it is the bulk > resistance of the water in the small area around the exposed tip of the > electrode. > > > > > The current must be much smaller than 100mA in your case I suppose. > > Otherwise, you just heat the DW with 10,000*0.1=1,000 Watts of power drain. > > I think that current shall rather vary with the raising conductance of the > > batch, even the contact resistance works here like current stabilizing > > element. > > No it is fully instrumented, both the voltage and the current. I use a 3 ton > water refrigeration unit to cool the water to 33 F before it goes into the > chamber, and also cool the chamber. The water leaves the chamber at about 110 to > 120 F. 3 1/2 gallons an hour is pumped through the chamber. > > > > > The principle to regulate the current by simple resistor is often used to > > stabilize the current if you have higher voltage than you need as outgoing. > > The current is regulated by the exposed amount of the electrodes. Dropping the > voltage via external resistance would not work, then the voltage across the > chamber would be lower, and this would produce inferior product. > > > > > BUT: the question is very complicated because the batch together with the > > electrode(s) are used as current regulating resistor in this case. I > > consider > > this to be rather unfortunate solution... > > Why is it unfortunate? The electrodes are on insulated hand screws, and as the > voltage climbs, I simply turn the screws to expose more silver and restore the > steady state operating conditions. > > > > > Even simple voltage measurements are rather mystification in this case due > > to the stabilizing resistor being a part of the electrode(s) and the batch. > > What kind of device are using - a simple high voltage transformer or what? > > I have multiple 15 KV neon sign transaformers hooked up in parallel. Although > they are marked as 15 KV, their full load operating voltage is around 10 KV. > > Marshall > > > > > Many thanks > > Pavel H. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Marshall Dudley" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:42 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>CS batches with AC > > > > > Of course some of us use AC for making CS. I use 100 mA at 10,000 volts > > and 60 > > > hz. The 14 gauge silver wire is inserted into glass tubes, and only about > > 1/10 > > > of an inch is exposed to maintain the voltage. The tips are submerged > > into the > > > water, and a pump continually circulates new distilled water into the > > chamber > > > and the CS out. > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > Pavel Hochmut wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I do not believe that there is nobody having experience with using > > alternate > > > > current to make CS. Can somebody help me? I want to know any details as: > > > > current and voltage levels, timing (frequency), etc. > > > > Many thanks. > > > > Pavel H. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>The Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values
O.K. Trem, Thank you. Pavel H. - Original Message - From: "Trem" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: CS>The Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values > Hi Pavel, > > It turns out the PWT does double purpose. It measures uS of the water and > in my opinion measurements to a tenth of a microsiemen are plenty good. > After all, this isn't rocket science. > > It then measures the ionic portion of the mix after the silver is put into > the water. It does not measure the metallic (colloidal) portion. We then > use a correction factor to estimate the total amount of silver. > > This is the best low cost instrument for our purpose. > > And yes, it will probably read differently in different solutions but that > will not make any difference if you know the correction factor to use. We > know the typical correction factor for silver is to add 10-20% to the > reading. You would have to send samples of whatever else you wanted to > establish a correction factor for to a laboratory for analysis. You would > then have the ability to determine that particular correction factor. > > We did it for silver at 2 different labs using atomic absorption > spectophotometry and accept the results. > > Best regards, > > Trem > > - Original Message - > From: "Pavel Hochmut" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:30 AM > Subject: [silver_list] CS>The Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values > > > > Hi, > > I have looked for what the "PWT" means on the Hanna www.pages. > > Both devices mentioned below are from Hanna and are designated for > measuring > > the conductivity. Both of them can ONLY measure the conductivity as every > > other ordinary conductometer does. There is nothing more. > > The "PWT" only means "Purity Water Tester" and determinates the device > rank > > of accuracy in the spread of Hanna products. Nothing more. > > Now I understand the words "I have never seen the PWT meter showing more > > than one decimal place" (from Trem)... it´s correct, because it is it´s > main > > feature - the range of the Hannah HI98308 "PWT" meter is 99,9 - 0,1 > > micsoSiemens with the 0,1 microSiemens resolution. > > If you look on the Hanna pages more carefuly, you can also find the > HI98309 > > "UPW" meter (the UPW means Ultra Pure Water tester) with the range 1,000 - > > 0,020 microSiemens with the resolution of 0,001 microsiemens. > > So: who has the HI 98309 UPW model, he can measure the conductivity more > > precisely having dvo decimal places more than with the PWT model. But the > > UPW model is approx. 3 times more expensive than the PWT one. > > So, one who says: " I have measured my DW and it has 2,9 PWT tells it > wrong. > > Correctly should be said: 2,9 microSiemens (...measured with Hanna PWT > > meter). > > You can also see simple conductivity/resistance conversion charts on the > > Hanna site as I already wrote about. > > This reminds me that I saw posted some relation between the conductance > and > > ppm values. That seem to me incredible, because the substance (dissolved > or > > in the colloidal estate) may have different influence to conductance of > the > > (say) batch. For instance let´s put into the > > 1 cubic cm (1 ccm) of DW 2,000.000 atoms of silver. > > And put to another 1 cubic cm of DW 2.000.000 atoms of Si (silicium). I > bet > > my year´s income, that the resulting conductance measurements shall be > > absolutely different. I swear. > > Or can somebody mend my opinion? Where´s the mistake? > > Thanks Pavel H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >
CS>The Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values
Hi, I have looked for what the "PWT" means on the Hanna www.pages. Both devices mentioned below are from Hanna and are designated for measuring the conductivity. Both of them can ONLY measure the conductivity as every other ordinary conductometer does. There is nothing more. The "PWT" only means "Purity Water Tester" and determinates the device rank of accuracy in the spread of Hanna products. Nothing more. Now I understand the words "I have never seen the PWT meter showing more than one decimal place" (from Trem)... it´s correct, because it is it´s main feature - the range of the Hannah HI98308 "PWT" meter is 99,9 - 0,1 micsoSiemens with the 0,1 microSiemens resolution. If you look on the Hanna pages more carefuly, you can also find the HI98309 "UPW" meter (the UPW means Ultra Pure Water tester) with the range 1,000 - 0,020 microSiemens with the resolution of 0,001 microsiemens. So: who has the HI 98309 UPW model, he can measure the conductivity more precisely having dvo decimal places more than with the PWT model. But the UPW model is approx. 3 times more expensive than the PWT one. So, one who says: " I have measured my DW and it has 2,9 PWT tells it wrong. Correctly should be said: 2,9 microSiemens (...measured with Hanna PWT meter). You can also see simple conductivity/resistance conversion charts on the Hanna site as I already wrote about. This reminds me that I saw posted some relation between the conductance and ppm values. That seem to me incredible, because the substance (dissolved or in the colloidal estate) may have different influence to conductance of the (say) batch. For instance let´s put into the 1 cubic cm (1 ccm) of DW 2,000.000 atoms of silver. And put to another 1 cubic cm of DW 2.000.000 atoms of Si (silicium). I bet my year´s income, that the resulting conductance measurements shall be absolutely different. I swear. Or can somebody mend my opinion? Where´s the mistake? Thanks Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS batches with AC
Hi Marshall, As I see, you use the contact resistance i.e. silver electrode surface part that becomes into a contact with water (immersed part) to be a part of the current regulation system: the longer part of silver electrode immersed = the lower resistance of the batch ( = the higher conductance of the batch) which results in higher current flow across the batch. The current must be much smaller than 100mA in your case I suppose. Otherwise, you just heat the DW with 10,000*0.1=1,000 Watts of power drain. I think that current shall rather vary with the raising conductance of the batch, even the contact resistance works here like current stabilizing element. The principle to regulate the current by simple resistor is often used to stabilize the current if you have higher voltage than you need as outgoing. BUT: the question is very complicated because the batch together with the electrode(s) are used as current regulating resistor in this case. I consider this to be rather unfortunate solution... Even simple voltage measurements are rather mystification in this case due to the stabilizing resistor being a part of the electrode(s) and the batch. What kind of device are using - a simple high voltage transformer or what? Many thanks Pavel H. - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS batches with AC > Of course some of us use AC for making CS. I use 100 mA at 10,000 volts and 60 > hz. The 14 gauge silver wire is inserted into glass tubes, and only about 1/10 > of an inch is exposed to maintain the voltage. The tips are submerged into the > water, and a pump continually circulates new distilled water into the chamber > and the CS out. > > Marshall > > Pavel Hochmut wrote: > > > Hi, > > I do not believe that there is nobody having experience with using alternate > > current to make CS. Can somebody help me? I want to know any details as: > > current and voltage levels, timing (frequency), etc. > > Many thanks. > > Pavel H. > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>CS batches with AC
Hi, I do not believe that there is nobody having experience with using alternate current to make CS. Can somebody help me? I want to know any details as: current and voltage levels, timing (frequency), etc. Many thanks. Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS Question x DW problems
Hi Trem and stuff, The PWT is still strange to me. I still do not know what to think of it. But previously I talked about the conductance of the DW water (in microSiemens). In general, the conductance (in Siemens) is reciprocal value to the resistance (in ohms) of any substance being measured. So, any water tested by any ohmmeter (but with the only really standardized electrodes !!) which shows the resistance of e.g.10megaohms (=10,000,000 ohms) has conductivity of 1/10,000,000 = 0.001 Siemens. ...That is 0,1 microSiemens. So we can go on, etc. It is nothing special to measure 20 megaohms with almost all ordinary multimeters ...and we have 0.05 microSiemens value at once. The only problem for the measurement is not to allow the chemical processes to get started during the measurement (measuring voltage applied). So the AC and small voltages are being used to kill any electrochemical processes ( = not to change the electrode dimensions by electrolysis - they are really very strictly given). So, during the conductance measurement: you just carry out the DW resistance measurement which is interpreted in microsiemens as conductivity on the display. Nothing more is done. Just realize how the readout of 1,22 microSiemens is much transparent than : 819,672.13114754098360655737704918 ohms of the value... As you see, the measured resistance has much more decimal places, that may be comfortable to you, and... it represents the absolutely exact 1,22 microSiemens value of conductivity with only two decimal places. We must also realize that it applies also vice-versa: the 1.80 megaohm of resistance represents exactly : 5,5556*e-8 of microSiemens on conductivity. How silly. Isn´t it? So forget: the more decimal places does not always mean the more accuracy. As to the actual PWT meters (and others): any quantity can be measured up to such accuracy, as we are able to measure it ( = how good our meter is ). So if the PWT meter you just have has only one decimal place, it is maybe just a meter for such a kind of measurements, where such a readout on decimal places is quitely sufficient. And it also maybe is sufficient for the almost majority of all other purposes. What more to say? I had a very high sophisticated HP digital voltmeter with some 16 decimal places of the readout in my laboratory. The only question is, who appreciates. Pavel H. > As I mentioned earlierthe PWT meter CANNOT read to three decimal places. > It can only show tenths, not thousandths. > > Trem > > - Original Message - > From: "Stuff" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 7:35 AM > Subject: [silver_list] Re: CS>Re: CS Question x DW problems > > > > At 07:46 AM 4/17/2004 -0300, sandee wrote: > > >Hi There Pavel - from my understanding and ex- > > >perience the "distilled water" sold in gas stations > > >is really deionized water and as you rightly state has nothing to do with > > >steam distillation. Properly distilled water reads .000 on a PWT from > > >Hanna. So take your tester with you before you purchase ! > > > > > > Agreed but where do you buy DW that reads .000 on a PWT? > > > > What's the brand name? > > > > stuff > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >
CS>making the CS with an AC device
Hi, Can enybody tell me some more details about the device which uses an AC ? I especially want to know something about timing i.e. frequency of the changing current and other differences if they are any. Many thanks Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Good and bad bugs
Sorry, But I didn´t want to talk about goog or bad bugs, or where they are placed. Bloodsteam or any intestine or other tissue, the bugs are everywhere BUT so the CS (if applied) also does. My interest is to find an answer (very simplified) to: Why some of bugs are immune to the CS and some of them are NOT.. Forget good and the bad ones. So only we call them. But I find very suspicious, that these that we call "good ones" are by the merest chance immune to the CS. That´s really upsetting and it sounds to me like "brujería" i.e. some kind of witchcraft in Spanish language. Pavel H. > On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 21:22, Terry Chamberlin wrote: > > Of course, the "good" bugs > > reside mostly in the small intestine > > I believe this is incorrect. You may want to review your sources, but if > memory serves the beneficial bacteria are in the large intestines mostly > and if they are in the small intestines it is not the prevalent > location. Different species live in different areas. > > Also where Candida overgrows is where the beneficial organsims are > suppose to be. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Question x DW problems
Yes, if it meets the CS batch requirements for the conductivity (I doubt), why not. But as I know, these methods as: reverse osmosis, ion exchange beds (katex & anex or mixbeds) and membrane iontophoresis are generally followed by classical water distillation in a steam distiller to make the pure DW. Only this way we get the real DW and then, some 0.5 microsiemens of conductivity or better (!) can be reached. If we use the distiller without the processes stated above, you can get some DW with 8 - 1.5 microsiemens of conductance. This is a result of that the steam in a distiller pulls tiny particles from boiling raw water with it into the condenser. This mode the purity of incoming raw water affects the purity of outgoing DW. The purity of the outgoing DW logically can be improved by moderated boiling of water and also choosing "the right" distiller. ( = The results also may differ distiller by distiller and results are probably dependent on the mechanical arrangement of the distiller parts inside. Also the manufacturer often states possible results (available DW purity) - if you buy a new one... but never tells about the input water quality ... see above.) And that´s the reason why the pre-purification methods are used ahead the classical (steam) distillation. The better incoming water - the better DW you get. So the answer may be: Yes, it can be used but: best as the pre-purification stage ahead the steam distiller. Then, the resulting DW would be excellent, even it is necessary to say, the constant measurements of the outgoing DW should be proceeded! My opinion is that this is a hard lab work, it is not so easy to ward the DW purity. Very excellent DW is available at the chemical plants, they often sell DW of a very high grade and very cheap. Better buy it. I can get some 20 litres (approx. 5.3 U.S. gallons) per one USD from the nearly chemical plant, with some 0.17 microsiemens of conductivity. Here also I want to warn these, who want to use any DW which is inscribed so. This refers especially to the DW which is sold at the gas stations, drugstores, general stores, etc. This water specified as DW is a just desalinated water (has nothing with the seawater, it is only adjusted sweetwater which behaves like soft water.). It has even nothing with demi water, which is first passed through katex and then through anex bed (or mixbed). This water is not suitable and it is good just to put it into the radiator of your car. The lettering "distilled water" is a mystification in this case !!! So, check your DW first, if you buy it anywhere. Do not believe the labels and do not believe the salesman who´s first target is to sell us our own nose between the eyes (slightly modified Czech proverb). The purity of DW may result on the conductance (or PWT) measurements only. Pavel H. Hi all -- a question has come up on another list, and I knew that the answer would be forthcoming on this one! ;-)Someone has asked if they can use reverse osmosis water to make Colloidal Silver. Anyone know the answer? Thanks. MA
Re: CS>silver is reactive metal x good and the bad bugs
O.K., But then, if we accept that CS partially passes through the alimentary tract unchanged and partially is absorbed into the bloodstream etc., the only thing that interests me now is, why it is said, that CS killes within few minutes all the unicellar organisms, BUT these profitable to the human leaves alive. That is to say, that I have found information that it is not necessary to take care about intestinal microbial flora to be restored when enjoying the CS. That beats me, how the CS distinguishes the "useful" and "unuseful" bugs or vice-versa: how the "good bugs" get their resistivity to the CS and the "bad bugs" do not ? Where is the snag ? MORE: after all I read here down (deleted) I assume that the CS MUST have another chemical features than metallic silver, otherwise should react in the blood and cells instantly (e.g. see the sulphur compounds). To my fingerprints: eggs, no I do not eat so much eggs but I use garlic almost daily. Maybe the sulphur comes from it into my sweat. (it is the hydrochloric acid in the stomach content, I apologize for my former mystification). Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>silver is reactive metal
As to the content of the stomach: I apologize, that sulphuric acid in the stomach was maybe some trash. I shall see what happenes in the stomach exactly. But: I still consider the silver to be pretty reactive: 1. When you leave it on the air, it turns black within some days. It´s the matter of the hydrogen sulphide content in the air and silver sulphide appears on the silver surfaces. This, maybe is also answer to that, why sometimes the electrodes turn dark during the batch process. I suppose, that dissolved gasses in the DW can react with the electrode surface. As I was informed, the best way to get out the gasses from the DW is to boil it shortly before starting the batch. Can I ask somebody who faces this problem with the electrodes colour change to try this if it works ?? 2. Ocassionaly I work with plated silver material and if even I touch it with my hand, an exact fingerprint turns dark in several minutes on the silver surface. So, I must handle it wearing gloves. There are some chemicals in the sweat, that silver reacts with almost instantly. It seems, as if it is developed photographic image of my fingerprints. 3. As to the reactions with the acids, as below: It is true, there is no reaction with the hydrochloric acid. If you pour sulphuric acid over silver plate, there is but a slight reaction, where the silver sulphate appears covering the whole surface and as it is not soluble, it makes passivating (= insulating) layer over the silver. Thus the more reaction is suppressed, the silver surface is "passivated". In case of CS might the situation be quite different... As to the fuming nitric, the silver dissolves absolutely in violent reaction, with the sulphur nitrate resulting from this reaction. I have asked for the above information my friend - he´s chemist. So the answer to the Peter´ s question is: It was fuming nitric what violated your silver chain. Pavel H. Marshall Wrote silver is one of the most inert metals there is, it is slightly more reactive than gold, but not much. You can drop it into fuming nitric, sulfuric and hydrochloric acids (independently) and nothing happens. Marshal: As a child once I try to clean a silver chain in an Ounce of the acid tinners use to solder. The chain completely dissolved after a few minutes. What kind of acid do You think it was? Peter R -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Fw: CS>silver is reactive metal
Yes, I understand, but I suppose that it may be so, if your intake is a very small amount of CS. But what about some bigger doses, it cannot be all absorbed within the same second if you swallow bigger volume of it, I guess. And as I can read, many people drink CS in amounts as normal water. I am not afraid of the CS, I just try to understand, what happenes and why. I am not still sure of it, that if I drink e.g. 10oz. of CS on the instant, that all the CS gets to be absorbed - so only DW gets into the stomach. This I really do not believe. Pavel H. - Original Message - From: "mamapug" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: Re: CS>silver is reactive metal > Dear Pavel, > I understand that CS is absorbed before it even gets to the stomach. > I have been taking CS for nearly 9 years, with absolutely NO problems!! And > lots of good results. > Marshalee > > > > Hi, > > I am new to the list. > > I have heard such a theory, which I have no answer to it. Can anybody tell > > me what happenes to the CS, when swallowed? > > As we know, the stomach is full of acidic contents and silver is pretty > > reactive. The theory tells, that the CS turnes instantly into all these > > compounds we do not want to, with the sulphuric acid. > > Can anybody respond? Thanks. > > Pavel H. > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>silver is reactive metal
Hi, I am new to the list. I have heard such a theory, which I have no answer to it. Can anybody tell me what happenes to the CS, when swallowed? As we know, the stomach is full of acidic contents and silver is pretty reactive. The theory tells, that the CS turnes instantly into all these compounds we do not want to, with the sulphuric acid. Can anybody respond? Thanks. Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
