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frank? anybody? nobody seemed to react to these statements posted here. excpet me, that is ! did you all miss it or are you just tired of dealing with it? i'm very concerned by it because the quantities identified by the epa (not that i hold them in higher esteem than the skunk in my yard !) and my daily consumption converted from 20ppms/8oz to mg are like 1500% different ! hard for me to imagine that the epa could really be that much off ! and i'm thinking that maybe the conversion equasion was wrong. could somebody help please? below is my original post thanks, angel - Original Message ----- From: angel nest To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: silver toxicity / Frank again But Frank... I think I might be in trouble What about this statement in one of Michael's emails... >>>The US-EPA publishes an oral reference dose (RfD) that is based on a threshold for certain toxic effects such as cellular necrosis. In units of micrograms per kg per day and is an estimate of the maximum amount of daily silver exposure that is not associated with any deleterious effects over a lifetime. Current RfD for oral silver exposure is 5 micrograms per kg per day. An average (european) 70 kg man: = 350 µg/day>>> That means that my 4.8mg-4800mcg daily is about 1500% more than the safe daily dose !! I'm about 50kg ~105lbs, so I should only be consuming 250mcg, right ??? Or am I missing something ??? Thanks again, Angel From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL Angel To convert part per million (by weight) into miligrams in 8 oz. do the following: One fluid oz.of CS equals about 30 grams. 8 oz. of CS is therefore 240 grams in which you have 20 ppm. The grams of silver contained in your 8 oz, 20x240/100=0.0048 gr or 4.8 miligrams. This asumes that the specific gravity of a ppm CS dispersion is 1.00. Hope it hels Frank Cuns-Ria
CS>silver to whiten teeth?
hello guys, i think i'm going to order the ionic white teeth whitening system, as soon as i get some more info from the vendor... but in reading about it, this caught my eye and i thought it was odd and wonder if it makes sense to any of y'all ? >>What is Ionic about Ionic white? The gel contains silver ions which activate when exposed to the harmless blue led light. The silver ions cause the active bleaching >>> how could silver ions have any whitening effect combined with any kind of light? what do you think? angel
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But Frank... I think I might be in trouble What about this statement in one of Michael's emails... >>>The US-EPA publishes an oral reference dose (RfD) that is based on a threshold for certain toxic effects such as cellular necrosis. In units of micrograms per kg per day and is an estimate of the maximum amount of daily silver exposure that is not associated with any deleterious effects over a lifetime. Current RfD for oral silver exposure is 5 micrograms per kg per day. An average (european) 70 kg man: = 350 µg/day>>> That means that my 4.8mg-4800mcg daily is about 1500% more than the safe daily dose !! I'm about 50kg ~105lbs, so I should only be consuming 250mcg, right ??? Or am I missing something ??? Thanks again, Angel From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL Angel To convert part per million (by weight) into miligrams in 8 oz. do the following: One fluid oz.of CS equals about 30 grams. 8 oz. of CS is therefore 240 grams in which you have 20 ppm. The grams of silver contained in your 8 oz, 20x240/100=0.0048 gr or 4.8 miligrams. This asumes that the specific gravity of a ppm CS dispersion is 1.00. Hope it hels Frank Cuns-Ria
CS>Re: silver toxicity / Frank
Thank you Frank ! Very helpful. Thanks for showing me the equation to use. Regarding the CS dispersion/gravity - 1) "1.00" means what? 1 per what? 2) how can I know which measure my CS has? I'm using a silverpuppy generator by Mr. Ken Odecoyote, by the way, if that tells you anything that I'm oblivious to... Thanks again ! Angel From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL Angel To convert part per million (by weight) into miligrams in 8 oz. do the following: One fluid oz.of CS equals about 30 grams. 8 oz. of CS is therefore 240 grams in which you have 20 ppm. The grams of silver contained in your 8 oz, 20x240/100=0.0048 gr or 4.8 miligrams. This asumes that the specific gravity of a ppm CS dispersion is 1.00. Hope it hels Frank Cuns-Rial
Re: CS>Fw: silver toxicity
hello 'yall, does anyone know how i could calculate the gram or milligram content of my cs? let's say, 8oz of 20ppm for instance. thanks, angel
Re: CS>Re: CS Gel making
thanks sam, that's great to know about copper. i think i'll begin using it too then. thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Sam Nowell To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: CS>Re: CS Gel making Hi Angel. I added the colloidal copper because it is suppose to increase collagen production in the skin. Im not sure what is in the polymer, TriethanolAmine is an alkanolamine and is classed as such. It is used as a pH adjuster and emulsifying surfactant as well as a fragrance ingredient and is also known as TEA and Trolamine. Triethanolamine is used as a pH balancer in a variety of different cosmetic products - ranging from skin lotion, eye gels, moisturizers, shampoos, shaving foams etc. As to your prevous post about using gelatin ,some gelatin is obtained by boiling the skin, tendons, and ligaments of animals, mostly cows. If it doesnt say vegetarian or derived from fish its made from dead boiled animal parts, dont know it thats considered natural or not. Sam L
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hello david, thanks much for sharing your concoction elements. looks like it would really be a useful mix. one question only - you mention that cs is light sensitive and i'm wondering what makes you think so? mine also turns colors at times but i was assured by ken at silver puppy that cs is never affected by light or heat in any way, ever. thanks, angel snip > (There's no real logic behind this at all.) Its not real pretty to look at (the gel I mean) because I made it with extra strong CS that's very light sensitive so it's gone a bit of a grey color. Then again, to make it a pretty color it would probably need even more ingredients of dubious merit. <>
CS>Re: CS Gel making
hello sam, would you please share for what benefit you are adding the copper? also, any idea what the ingredients are of this product, which you are recommending? thanks! angel - Original Message - From: Sam Nowell To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:13 PM Subject: CS>Re: CS Gel making Another link to a CS gel making kit thats here in the USA. Very similar to the Aussie company kit. http://www.elixa.com/silver/ointment.htm Colloidal Silver Ointment This make a very nice gel, I made some 3 months ago, no signs of mold yet with no refrigeration. I also added some homemade colloidal copper to the batch. You can actually get about 10-12 ounces of gel per batch with this depending how thick you like it. Its worked very well for me on insect bites, warts, burns and as a face cream. For the warts I added some dsmo in a seperate batch. Cost is $33 (includes S&H in US and CAN), and will make at least 40oz of gel. Sam L.
CS>Re: CS Gel making
why not use simple, (i think natural !), knox gelatin (for food consumption - so, it's got to be pretty clean in terms of source, right? instead of all these things that sound like synthetic something or other... plymer, triethanolamine... what are these things - actually ? i use knox gelatin for my face masks weekly. or for a weaker cs gel product, how about mixing in a bit of very high ppm with a bit of aloe vera gel? any thoughts? angel Pour 250 ml of a high ppm colloidal silver solution in a glass dish. Empty one bag of polymer into it, and let it "wet" (it just takes a few minutes). Then add a full vial of TriethanolAmine, the solution will quickly turn into a thick gel. It is that easy! Cost A$26 for 5 batches of 250ml each". url - www.healththronics.biz - Original Message - From: Jim Wright (Lists) As spelled your url is invalid. One must drop the last "h" in the address and make it http://www.healthtronics.biz to get where you really want to go. From: whay ronnie [mailto:w...@singapore.com] I use high ppm CS which has been through three times of normal brewing and make clear gel with this Gel making kit from this Aussie company. "Allows you to easily make 5 batches of Colloidal Silver Gel (250 ml each), using a high ppm colloidal silver solution. How to operate... Pour 250 ml of a high ppm colloidal silver solution in a glass dish. Empty one bag of polymer into it, and let it "wet" (it just takes a few minutes). Then add a full vial of TriethanolAmine, the solution will quickly turn into a thick gel. It is that easy! Cost A$26 for 5 batches of 250ml each". url - www.healththronics.biz
Re: CS>Fw: Source of report of renal damage by silver?
yes, i realized that after all the posts and my searches. i just have to stay totally vigilant about what gets filtered through her kidneys now, she only has less than 20% of them functioning so every smallest little thing could be the thing that pushes her over the edge. i think i'm going to stop giving her cs just to see if there is any change in how she feels. just in case... thanks, angel - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: Source of report of renal damage by silver? > is the conclusion that we shouldn't be using cs with people who are > kidney-compromised? There's no conclusion at this point, Angel. We've had one third hand report of a medical person saying they'd heard there was a problem with some sort of unspecified form of silver. Matthew has identified one article that *might* be the source of that caution, but we have not even seen what it contains -- what kind of silver in what sort of quantities over what period of time, etcetera. You must decide for yourself what you're going to do, as we always do. We need to evaluate this sort of information as it comes along. The truth needs to be known, whatever it is. For me, it's premature to conclude that a few ppm of silver in a few ounces of water per day is going to do anything bad to my kidneys. There's not yet any real evidence, only hints that there *might* be some such evidence, maybe. That's my take on it. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself...
Re: CS>Fw: Source of report of renal damage by silver?
hello matthew, i can't believe i completely missed the previous posts on this ! i have a dog in renal failure and i'm giving her about 8-12 oz of 10ppm cs daily in her water. i'd like to read more about this article you mention but i couldn't find anything on google. do you have more info or a url or something on this? is the conclusion that we shouldn't be using cs with people who are kidney-compromised? thanks much ! angel & flash - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: CS>Fw: Source of report of renal damage by silver? - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann To: M. G. Devour Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: Source of report of renal damage by silver? "...Renal damage and metal fume fever have been have been reported with high silver exposures..." "...The unreferenced quote (of Fung and Weintraub)..." "...There is no listing, however, of this article in the JAMA article title, or anything else - not even the year." Mike, the source might be: Potential Nephrotoxic Effects Of Exposure To Silver, K.D. Rosenman, N. Seixas and I. Jacobs, 1987, Br. J. Ind. Med: 267-272. Best regards, Matthew
CS>Re: CS vs. Grapefruit seed extract (GSE)
hello boyz & girlz, anyone has the scoop on the difference between cs and gse? do they both work on the same bacteria and viruses? do they each survive the stomach and reach into our intestines? small or large? do they each remain active and effective as long? any other incongruent pros and cons? thanks much, angel
