CS>CS & Ozone

[Rick]

When I added the ozone into the Colloidal Silver, there was no color 
change. I didn't use hydrogen peroxide, I was generating the ozone 
directly and inputing into the solution. The solution "tasted" like 
ozone, and I doubt a few drops of hydrogen peroxide would have this 
overpowering taste. I'm not a scientist, so I don't exactly know what 
happened, but it seemed to amplify the effects of the CS.


I tried the CS alone, with no effect (along with a lot of other 
alternative stuff) and only when I added the ozone directly into the 
solution, did I get immediate results.


There was no color change in the solution- it was clear both before and 
after.




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Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[Olushola Camara]

The SOTA WOZ http://sota.com  can be used as an ozone generator. Also 2
medical grade generators are sold at http://www.plasmafire.com


Olushola

Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[Ode Coyote]

It reacts with silver ions, oxidizing them into silver oxide particles 
that will show a brown pigment.
Once the EIS has stabilized [Hydrated?] if there are any silver oxide 
particles, H2O2 will destroy them.
If an agglomeration  crystal has nucleated around a silver oxide 
particle, destroying the nucleus will break the crystal apart.

Ode


On 11/15/2014 5:59 PM, Jason wrote:

Hi Joe:

The 'visible' reaction via the tyndall effect only occurs when H2O2 
reacts with silver particles.


If your brew doesn't have a strong tyndall effect to begin with, then 
you won't be able to visually see the effect with a laser.


~Jason


On 11/15/2014 12:31 PM, Joe Huard wrote:

Hi Jason,
I did that today for the first time, and there was no reaction with a
red laser shining through a glass of EIS made with my Colloid Master. Is
that good or not so good?
Joe
On 2014-11-15 1:00 PM, Jason wrote:

Hi Lola:

To get the reaction, you only need very little H2O2. One drop of 3%
H2O2 to four ounces of EIS is more than plenty to enduce the reaction.

The more H2O2 you use, the more you approach doing H2O2 oral therapy.

I myself would add 3-4 drops of 35% H2O2; however, this would make
some people ill and isn't necessary (see the pro and con research on
oral hydrogen peroxide therapy).

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 9:39 AM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote:

Jason.. how much HP do you add to how much CS?  Thanks.. Lola H.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Jason mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:

Hi Gail:

for the best effect, add it about three minutes before drinking.

If you are interested to "see" the reaction, just get a red laser
pointer, and you can watch the reaction.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 8:39 AM, Gail Naranjo wrote:

Hi Jason,

So do you add a drop to every time you take the CS or just a
drop of it
to the whole batch?  I make it a quart at a time and only 
take a

swig of
it daily.   To make it more effective how much would I add to
the daily
swig?

This is very interesting.

Gail


On Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:17 AM, Jason
mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:


Hi Rick:

You can get a very similar effect by combing just a bit of
H2O2 to
colloidal silver just prior to consuming it. Since the H2O2 is
quite a
bit less reactive than ozone, the oxidation effect can last
quite a bit
longer.

Remember, you can power a race car by oxidizing silver 
particles

with
oxygen.

The ozone/h2o2 atomizes some silver particles, while oxidizing
others
(the oxidized particles eventually drop out of 
suspension).  You

get a
very wide range of interesting "silver/oxygen" species.

Using "too much" reactive oxygen will eventually result in the
elimination of all silver particles in solution.

When you add a drop of H2O2 and your home brew EIS turns 
brown,

it means
you have a very poor end product (relatively speaking)
too many
"sparklies" or large particles.  I check every batch of EIS I
make with
H2O2.

Usually, a bad batch means I didn't clean the electrodes well
enough
before brewing, or the container/distilled water wasn't as 
pure

as I'd like.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 7:59 AM, Rick wrote:
  > Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment 
about

discussions
  > of CS & Ozone.
  >
  > Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from
eating mint
  > planted outside that the rodents played in. I had 
intestinal

issues for
  > months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I 
tried all

sorts of
  > things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and
nothing worked.
  > One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my
colloidal
  > silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell 
it was

killing
  > them and never had a problem since.
  >
  > I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found
much research
  > about ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any 
experience?

  >
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Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[Jason]

Hi Joe:

The 'visible' reaction via the tyndall effect only occurs when H2O2 
reacts with silver particles.


If your brew doesn't have a strong tyndall effect to begin with, then 
you won't be able to visually see the effect with a laser.


~Jason


On 11/15/2014 12:31 PM, Joe Huard wrote:

Hi Jason,
I did that today for the first time, and there was no reaction with a
red laser shining through a glass of EIS made with my Colloid Master. Is
that good or not so good?
Joe
On 2014-11-15 1:00 PM, Jason wrote:

Hi Lola:

To get the reaction, you only need very little H2O2. One drop of 3%
H2O2 to four ounces of EIS is more than plenty to enduce the reaction.

The more H2O2 you use, the more you approach doing H2O2 oral therapy.

I myself would add 3-4 drops of 35% H2O2; however, this would make
some people ill and isn't necessary (see the pro and con research on
oral hydrogen peroxide therapy).

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 9:39 AM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote:

Jason.. how much HP do you add to how much CS?  Thanks.. Lola H.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Jason mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:

Hi Gail:

for the best effect, add it about three minutes before drinking.

If you are interested to "see" the reaction, just get a red laser
pointer, and you can watch the reaction.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 8:39 AM, Gail Naranjo wrote:

Hi Jason,

So do you add a drop to every time you take the CS or just a
drop of it
to the whole batch?  I make it a quart at a time and only take a
swig of
it daily.   To make it more effective how much would I add to
the daily
swig?

This is very interesting.

Gail


On Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:17 AM, Jason
mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:


Hi Rick:

You can get a very similar effect by combing just a bit of
H2O2 to
colloidal silver just prior to consuming it. Since the H2O2 is
quite a
bit less reactive than ozone, the oxidation effect can last
quite a bit
longer.

Remember, you can power a race car by oxidizing silver particles
with
oxygen.

The ozone/h2o2 atomizes some silver particles, while oxidizing
others
(the oxidized particles eventually drop out of suspension).  You
get a
very wide range of interesting "silver/oxygen" species.

Using "too much" reactive oxygen will eventually result in the
elimination of all silver particles in solution.

When you add a drop of H2O2 and your home brew EIS turns brown,
it means
you have a very poor end product (relatively speaking)
too many
"sparklies" or large particles.  I check every batch of EIS I
make with
H2O2.

Usually, a bad batch means I didn't clean the electrodes well
enough
before brewing, or the container/distilled water wasn't as pure
as I'd like.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 7:59 AM, Rick wrote:
  > Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about
discussions
  > of CS & Ozone.
  >
  > Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from
eating mint
  > planted outside that the rodents played in. I had intestinal
issues for
  > months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried all
sorts of
  > things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and
nothing worked.
  > One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my
colloidal
  > silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell it was
killing
  > them and never had a problem since.
  >
  > I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found
much research
  > about ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any experience?
  >
  >
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Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[Ode Coyote]

H2O2 will only turn it brown if the EIS is fresh. [before conductivity 
stops dropping once power is off]
 If it has 'aged' [stabilized] for a few days, it will clear up over 
night if it WAS brown [but not made brown with H2O2] or yellow.


H2O2 will both form silver oxides and destroy silver oxides depending on 
when you use it.


Used at 3% it will clean up an oxide blackened electrode pretty fast, 
then turn it black again later on.


Ode


On 11/15/2014 3:31 PM, Joe Huard wrote:

Hi Jason,
I did that today for the first time, and there was no reaction with a 
red laser shining through a glass of EIS made with my Colloid Master. 
Is that good or not so good?

Joe
On 2014-11-15 1:00 PM, Jason wrote:

Hi Lola:

To get the reaction, you only need very little H2O2. One drop of 3% 
H2O2 to four ounces of EIS is more than plenty to enduce the reaction.


The more H2O2 you use, the more you approach doing H2O2 oral therapy.

I myself would add 3-4 drops of 35% H2O2; however, this would make 
some people ill and isn't necessary (see the pro and con research on 
oral hydrogen peroxide therapy).


~Jason


On 11/15/2014 9:39 AM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote:

Jason.. how much HP do you add to how much CS?  Thanks.. Lola H.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Jason mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:

Hi Gail:

for the best effect, add it about three minutes before drinking.

If you are interested to "see" the reaction, just get a red laser
pointer, and you can watch the reaction.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 8:39 AM, Gail Naranjo wrote:

Hi Jason,

So do you add a drop to every time you take the CS or just a
drop of it
to the whole batch?  I make it a quart at a time and only 
take a

swig of
it daily.   To make it more effective how much would I add to
the daily
swig?

This is very interesting.

Gail


On Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:17 AM, Jason
mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:


Hi Rick:

You can get a very similar effect by combing just a bit of 
H2O2 to

colloidal silver just prior to consuming it. Since the H2O2 is
quite a
bit less reactive than ozone, the oxidation effect can last
quite a bit
longer.

Remember, you can power a race car by oxidizing silver 
particles

with
oxygen.

The ozone/h2o2 atomizes some silver particles, while oxidizing
others
(the oxidized particles eventually drop out of suspension).  
You

get a
very wide range of interesting "silver/oxygen" species.

Using "too much" reactive oxygen will eventually result in the
elimination of all silver particles in solution.

When you add a drop of H2O2 and your home brew EIS turns brown,
it means
you have a very poor end product (relatively speaking) 
too many

"sparklies" or large particles.  I check every batch of EIS I
make with
H2O2.

Usually, a bad batch means I didn't clean the electrodes 
well enough

before brewing, or the container/distilled water wasn't as pure
as I'd like.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 7:59 AM, Rick wrote:
  > Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about
discussions
  > of CS & Ozone.
  >
  > Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from
eating mint
  > planted outside that the rodents played in. I had 
intestinal

issues for
  > months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried 
all

sorts of
  > things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and
nothing worked.
  > One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my
colloidal
  > silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell it 
was

killing
  > them and never had a problem since.
  >
  > I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found
much research
  > about ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any 
experience?

  >
  >
  > --
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Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[Joe Huard]

Hi Jason,
I did that today for the first time, and there was no reaction with a 
red laser shining through a glass of EIS made with my Colloid Master. Is 
that good or not so good?

Joe
On 2014-11-15 1:00 PM, Jason wrote:

Hi Lola:

To get the reaction, you only need very little H2O2. One drop of 3% 
H2O2 to four ounces of EIS is more than plenty to enduce the reaction.


The more H2O2 you use, the more you approach doing H2O2 oral therapy.

I myself would add 3-4 drops of 35% H2O2; however, this would make 
some people ill and isn't necessary (see the pro and con research on 
oral hydrogen peroxide therapy).


~Jason


On 11/15/2014 9:39 AM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote:

Jason.. how much HP do you add to how much CS?  Thanks.. Lola H.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Jason mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:

Hi Gail:

for the best effect, add it about three minutes before drinking.

If you are interested to "see" the reaction, just get a red laser
pointer, and you can watch the reaction.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 8:39 AM, Gail Naranjo wrote:

Hi Jason,

So do you add a drop to every time you take the CS or just a
drop of it
to the whole batch?  I make it a quart at a time and only take a
swig of
it daily.   To make it more effective how much would I add to
the daily
swig?

This is very interesting.

Gail


On Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:17 AM, Jason
mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:


Hi Rick:

You can get a very similar effect by combing just a bit of 
H2O2 to

colloidal silver just prior to consuming it. Since the H2O2 is
quite a
bit less reactive than ozone, the oxidation effect can last
quite a bit
longer.

Remember, you can power a race car by oxidizing silver particles
with
oxygen.

The ozone/h2o2 atomizes some silver particles, while oxidizing
others
(the oxidized particles eventually drop out of suspension).  You
get a
very wide range of interesting "silver/oxygen" species.

Using "too much" reactive oxygen will eventually result in the
elimination of all silver particles in solution.

When you add a drop of H2O2 and your home brew EIS turns brown,
it means
you have a very poor end product (relatively speaking) 
too many

"sparklies" or large particles.  I check every batch of EIS I
make with
H2O2.

Usually, a bad batch means I didn't clean the electrodes well 
enough

before brewing, or the container/distilled water wasn't as pure
as I'd like.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 7:59 AM, Rick wrote:
  > Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about
discussions
  > of CS & Ozone.
  >
  > Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from
eating mint
  > planted outside that the rodents played in. I had intestinal
issues for
  > months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried all
sorts of
  > things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and
nothing worked.
  > One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my
colloidal
  > silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell it was
killing
  > them and never had a problem since.
  >
  > I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found
much research
  > about ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any experience?
  >
  >
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Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[Jason]

Hi Lola:

To get the reaction, you only need very little H2O2. One drop of 3% H2O2 
to four ounces of EIS is more than plenty to enduce the reaction.


The more H2O2 you use, the more you approach doing H2O2 oral therapy.

I myself would add 3-4 drops of 35% H2O2; however, this would make some 
people ill and isn't necessary (see the pro and con research on oral 
hydrogen peroxide therapy).


~Jason


On 11/15/2014 9:39 AM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote:

Jason.. how much HP do you add to how much CS?  Thanks.. Lola H.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Jason mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:

Hi Gail:

for the best effect, add it about three minutes before drinking.

If you are interested to "see" the reaction, just get a red laser
pointer, and you can watch the reaction.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 8:39 AM, Gail Naranjo wrote:

Hi Jason,

So do you add a drop to every time you take the CS or just a
drop of it
to the whole batch?  I make it a quart at a time and only take a
swig of
it daily.   To make it more effective how much would I add to
the daily
swig?

This is very interesting.

Gail


On Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:17 AM, Jason
mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:


Hi Rick:

You can get a very similar effect by combing just a bit of H2O2 to
colloidal silver just prior to consuming it. Since the H2O2 is
quite a
bit less reactive than ozone, the oxidation effect can last
quite a bit
longer.

Remember, you can power a race car by oxidizing silver particles
with
oxygen.

The ozone/h2o2 atomizes some silver particles, while oxidizing
others
(the oxidized particles eventually drop out of suspension).  You
get a
very wide range of interesting "silver/oxygen" species.

Using "too much" reactive oxygen will eventually result in the
elimination of all silver particles in solution.

When you add a drop of H2O2 and your home brew EIS turns brown,
it means
you have a very poor end product (relatively speaking) too many
"sparklies" or large particles.  I check every batch of EIS I
make with
H2O2.

Usually, a bad batch means I didn't clean the electrodes well enough
before brewing, or the container/distilled water wasn't as pure
as I'd like.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 7:59 AM, Rick wrote:
  > Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about
discussions
  > of CS & Ozone.
  >
  > Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from
eating mint
  > planted outside that the rodents played in. I had intestinal
issues for
  > months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried all
sorts of
  > things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and
nothing worked.
  > One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my
colloidal
  > silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell it was
killing
  > them and never had a problem since.
  >
  > I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found
much research
  > about ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any experience?
  >
  >
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Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[phoenix23002 tds.net]

Jason.. how much HP do you add to how much CS?  Thanks.. Lola H.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Jason  wrote:

> Hi Gail:
>
> for the best effect, add it about three minutes before drinking.
>
> If you are interested to "see" the reaction, just get a red laser pointer,
> and you can watch the reaction.
>
> ~Jason
>
>
> On 11/15/2014 8:39 AM, Gail Naranjo wrote:
>
>>  Hi Jason,
>>
>> So do you add a drop to every time you take the CS or just a drop of it
>> to the whole batch?  I make it a quart at a time and only take a swig of
>> it daily.   To make it more effective how much would I add to the daily
>> swig?
>>
>> This is very interesting.
>>
>> Gail
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:17 AM, Jason 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Rick:
>>
>> You can get a very similar effect by combing just a bit of H2O2 to
>> colloidal silver just prior to consuming it. Since the H2O2 is quite a
>> bit less reactive than ozone, the oxidation effect can last quite a bit
>> longer.
>>
>> Remember, you can power a race car by oxidizing silver particles with
>> oxygen.
>>
>> The ozone/h2o2 atomizes some silver particles, while oxidizing others
>> (the oxidized particles eventually drop out of suspension).  You get a
>> very wide range of interesting "silver/oxygen" species.
>>
>> Using "too much" reactive oxygen will eventually result in the
>> elimination of all silver particles in solution.
>>
>> When you add a drop of H2O2 and your home brew EIS turns brown, it means
>> you have a very poor end product (relatively speaking) too many
>> "sparklies" or large particles.  I check every batch of EIS I make with
>> H2O2.
>>
>> Usually, a bad batch means I didn't clean the electrodes well enough
>> before brewing, or the container/distilled water wasn't as pure as I'd
>> like.
>>
>> ~Jason
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/2014 7:59 AM, Rick wrote:
>>  > Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about discussions
>>  > of CS & Ozone.
>>  >
>>  > Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from eating mint
>>  > planted outside that the rodents played in. I had intestinal issues for
>>  > months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried all sorts of
>>  > things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and nothing
>> worked.
>>  > One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my colloidal
>>  > silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell it was killing
>>  > them and never had a problem since.
>>  >
>>  > I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found much research
>>  > about ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any experience?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > --
>>  > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.
>>  >  Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org
>> 
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>>  > Unsubscribe:
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>>  > List Owner: Mike Devour > >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[Jason]

Hi Gail:

for the best effect, add it about three minutes before drinking.

If you are interested to "see" the reaction, just get a red laser 
pointer, and you can watch the reaction.


~Jason

On 11/15/2014 8:39 AM, Gail Naranjo wrote:

Hi Jason,

So do you add a drop to every time you take the CS or just a drop of it
to the whole batch?  I make it a quart at a time and only take a swig of
it daily.   To make it more effective how much would I add to the daily
swig?

This is very interesting.

Gail


On Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:17 AM, Jason  wrote:


Hi Rick:

You can get a very similar effect by combing just a bit of H2O2 to
colloidal silver just prior to consuming it. Since the H2O2 is quite a
bit less reactive than ozone, the oxidation effect can last quite a bit
longer.

Remember, you can power a race car by oxidizing silver particles with
oxygen.

The ozone/h2o2 atomizes some silver particles, while oxidizing others
(the oxidized particles eventually drop out of suspension).  You get a
very wide range of interesting "silver/oxygen" species.

Using "too much" reactive oxygen will eventually result in the
elimination of all silver particles in solution.

When you add a drop of H2O2 and your home brew EIS turns brown, it means
you have a very poor end product (relatively speaking) too many
"sparklies" or large particles.  I check every batch of EIS I make with
H2O2.

Usually, a bad batch means I didn't clean the electrodes well enough
before brewing, or the container/distilled water wasn't as pure as I'd like.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 7:59 AM, Rick wrote:
 > Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about discussions
 > of CS & Ozone.
 >
 > Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from eating mint
 > planted outside that the rodents played in. I had intestinal issues for
 > months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried all sorts of
 > things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and nothing worked.
 > One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my colloidal
 > silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell it was killing
 > them and never had a problem since.
 >
 > I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found much research
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Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[Tre]

Hi how did you ozonate your silver?  Could you pls forward a schetch
Of your ozone set up. I really do not know construction stuff but have heard of 
ozone for home use but have not seen a set up. I'd like to do this. 
I have done sublingual applications and added ozone to my glands using a photon 
genie. So different delivery but had good results. 
Sincerely tre
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On Nov 15, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Rick  wrote:

> Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about discussions of CS 
> & Ozone.
> 
> Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from eating mint planted 
> outside that the rodents played in. I had intestinal issues for months which 
> happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried all sorts of things on it: 
> Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and nothing worked. One morning I had 
> an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my colloidal silver. Literally, as I was 
> drinking it, I could tell it was killing them and never had a problem since.
> 
> I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found much research about 
> ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any experience?
> 
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Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[PT Ferrance]

Did you do any rectal insufflations?  If you did, I wonder why the ozonated EIS 
would work and insufflation would not.
Thanks for the info on ozonating EIS.  I have been wondering about this myself. 
 Did you use an oxygen tank as your source of oxygen?

PT

 



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Subject: CS>CS & Ozone
 

Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about discussions 
of CS & Ozone.

Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from eating mint 
planted outside that the rodents played in. I had intestinal issues for 
months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried all sorts of 
things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and nothing worked. 
One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my colloidal 
silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell it was killing 
them and never had a problem since.

I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found much research 
about ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any experience?


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Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[Gail Naranjo]

Hi Jason,
So do you add a drop to every time you take the CS or just a drop of it to the 
whole batch?  I make it a quart at a time and only take a swig of it daily.   
To make it more effective how much would I add to the daily swig?
This is very interesting.
Gail 

 On Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:17 AM, Jason  
wrote:
   

 Hi Rick:

You can get a very similar effect by combing just a bit of H2O2 to 
colloidal silver just prior to consuming it. Since the H2O2 is quite a 
bit less reactive than ozone, the oxidation effect can last quite a bit 
longer.

Remember, you can power a race car by oxidizing silver particles with 
oxygen.

The ozone/h2o2 atomizes some silver particles, while oxidizing others 
(the oxidized particles eventually drop out of suspension).  You get a 
very wide range of interesting "silver/oxygen" species.

Using "too much" reactive oxygen will eventually result in the 
elimination of all silver particles in solution.

When you add a drop of H2O2 and your home brew EIS turns brown, it means 
you have a very poor end product (relatively speaking) too many 
"sparklies" or large particles.  I check every batch of EIS I make with 
H2O2.

Usually, a bad batch means I didn't clean the electrodes well enough 
before brewing, or the container/distilled water wasn't as pure as I'd like.

~Jason


On 11/15/2014 7:59 AM, Rick wrote:
> Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about discussions
> of CS & Ozone.
>
> Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from eating mint
> planted outside that the rodents played in. I had intestinal issues for
> months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried all sorts of
> things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and nothing worked.
> One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my colloidal
> silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell it was killing
> them and never had a problem since.
>
> I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found much research
> about ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any experience?
>
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Re: CS>CS & Ozone

[Jason]

Hi Rick:

You can get a very similar effect by combing just a bit of H2O2 to 
colloidal silver just prior to consuming it. Since the H2O2 is quite a 
bit less reactive than ozone, the oxidation effect can last quite a bit 
longer.


Remember, you can power a race car by oxidizing silver particles with 
oxygen.


The ozone/h2o2 atomizes some silver particles, while oxidizing others 
(the oxidized particles eventually drop out of suspension).  You get a 
very wide range of interesting "silver/oxygen" species.


Using "too much" reactive oxygen will eventually result in the 
elimination of all silver particles in solution.


When you add a drop of H2O2 and your home brew EIS turns brown, it means 
you have a very poor end product (relatively speaking) too many 
"sparklies" or large particles.  I check every batch of EIS I make with 
H2O2.


Usually, a bad batch means I didn't clean the electrodes well enough 
before brewing, or the container/distilled water wasn't as pure as I'd like.


~Jason


On 11/15/2014 7:59 AM, Rick wrote:

Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about discussions
of CS & Ozone.

Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from eating mint
planted outside that the rodents played in. I had intestinal issues for
months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried all sorts of
things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and nothing worked.
One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my colloidal
silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell it was killing
them and never had a problem since.

I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found much research
about ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any experience?


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CS>CS & Ozone

[Rick]

Been watching the list for a while, thought I comment about discussions 
of CS & Ozone.


Several years ago, I believe I contracted Giardia from eating mint 
planted outside that the rodents played in. I had intestinal issues for 
months which happened cyclically, every 2 weeks. I tried all sorts of 
things on it: Colloidal Silver, zapper, secnars, etc and nothing worked. 
One morning I had an epiphany, and decided to ozonate my colloidal 
silver. Literally, as I was drinking it, I could tell it was killing 
them and never had a problem since.


I have done a bunch of research and really haven't found much research 
about ozonated colloidal silver. Anyone have any experience?



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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Ode Coyote]

   Long ago, I ran  a batch of EIS [CS} and it turned up deep yellow.
 [ Current controlled generator with conductivity triggered auto off ]
 [Most, if not All, distilled water in America is "Ozonated"]

I let that jug of water sit around for a few days.  It accumulated heavy 
layers of gas bubbles on the sides.

 I shook the bubbles loose and ran another batch.
 That batch and all future batches from that jug were just fine.

Ode


At 11:53 AM 11/5/2007 -0500, you wrote:

On 11/4/2007, damian (dmona...@aapt.net.au) wrote:

Wow arnt we mr negative.


??

> I was under the impression silver oxide was black.

I didn't say it would conver it to silver oxide... I said it would most 
likely OXIDIZE it.



I have as yet seen any black residue or color. Also with a pure
oxygen supply for ozone wouldnt have the same affect as h2o2 in that it 
breaks the particle size down smaller.


Ozone is not H2O2. It *may* do the same thing... or it probably WON'T.


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Re: CS>CS OZone

[damian]

Hi 
I made the ozone using an enaly unit which was using just air from the
atmosphere. I bubled it through a stone into the cs for about 2hrs and
in some cases only minutes. 
love and peace
Damian

On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 06:18 -0500, Simon Jester wrote:
> On 11/5/2007, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote:
> >>> I have used ozone infused CS in the past with extremely good 
> >>> results. Have killed bad flus and colds in a people who were
> >>> completely under the weather in less than 2 hours with it.
> >> Good - I'm all for actual EVIDENCE of benefit - all I'm saying is 
> >> no one should just try anything willy nilly, especially with 
> >> something like ozone - in the wrong hands, it can be dangerous. In 
> >> the right hands, it is perfectly safe and a powerful healing therapy.
> 
> >> Care to elaborate on exactly how you made it?
> 
> > Ozonating machine you can buy for aquariiums.  I thought about 
> > supplying it with oxygen, but it seems to make no oxides of nitrogen 
> > anyway.
> 
> There are only a very few generators that use plain air that do NOT make 
> enough nitrogen oxide to be a problem - and those are a bit more 
> expensive than an aquarium generator.
> 
> > Guess theyhave to design it right on that respect or it would 
> > kill the fish.
> 
> Or maybe nitrogen oxide doesn't bother fish as much... I'd hardly 
> consider the fact that they don't die as proof that it isn't outputting 
> nitrogen oxides.
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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Simon Jester]

On 11/5/2007, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote:
I have used ozone infused CS in the past with extremely good 
results. Have killed bad flus and colds in a people who were

completely under the weather in less than 2 hours with it.


Good - I'm all for actual EVIDENCE of benefit - all I'm saying is 
no one should just try anything willy nilly, especially with 
something like ozone - in the wrong hands, it can be dangerous. In 
the right hands, it is perfectly safe and a powerful healing therapy.



Care to elaborate on exactly how you made it?


Ozonating machine you can buy for aquariiums.  I thought about 
supplying it with oxygen, but it seems to make no oxides of nitrogen 
anyway.


There are only a very few generators that use plain air that do NOT make 
enough nitrogen oxide to be a problem - and those are a bit more 
expensive than an aquarium generator.


Guess theyhave to design it right on that respect or it would 
kill the fish.


Or maybe nitrogen oxide doesn't bother fish as much... I'd hardly 
consider the fact that they don't die as proof that it isn't outputting 
nitrogen oxides.



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Re: CS>CS OZone

[damian]

Hi Marshall
Yeah i did write that i wasnt sure it was related to the ozonated cs. My
well being is in constant chaos. One day i feel good the next moment
crap. And actually based on todays outing the sensations had nothing to
do with the ozonated cs.
love and peace
Damian

On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 13:45 -0500, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> Simon Jester wrote:
> > On 11/3/2007, damian (dmona...@aapt.net.au) wrote:
> >> Im not sure if this part was the cs or me but the next day i went to 
> >> the mall and felt very naucious and spaced out literally. I know it
> >> sounds weird but i felt like my concious was spread out amongst a
> >> larger area and as a result i had difficulty balancing because here i
> >> am this wide thing balancing upon a small pair of legs. I would love
> >> to try some more but safety is my concern now.
> >
> > I'm still failing to see why you would want to do this in the first 
> > place. If you read even a little on what ozone is and what it can do, 
> > it SHOULD be obvious that ozonating CS is NOT something you would want 
> > to do.
> I am not quite sure what you are referring to here.  Ozone is great for 
> killing all pathogens.  That is good.  It also can cause smog, when in 
> the air with hydrocarbons, but I don't see that as relevent. Neither is 
> that it absorbs UV light from the sun, helping prevent everyone and 
> everything from getting sunburned.  Often when ozone is made, there are 
> oxides of nitrogen made, which can cause havoc in the lungs.  But 
> putting it in water, plus using ozone without oxides of nitrogen should 
> not be a problem.
> 
> I have used ozone infused CS in the past with extremely good results.  
> Have killed bad flus and colds in a people who were completely under the 
> weather in less than 2 hours with it.
> 
> 
> Marshall
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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Marshall Dudley]

Simon Jester wrote:

On 11/5/2007, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote:
Ozone is great for killing all pathogens.  That is good.  It also can 
cause smog, when in the air with hydrocarbons, but I don't see that 
as relevent.


Thats because it is simply not true, and one element of FUD spread by 
the disinformation masters.


Ozone is not 'smog' itself, nor is it a 'component' of smog... it is 
PRESENT in smog - but it is simply because it is natures way of trying 
to CLEAN IT UP.



Neither is that it absorbs UV light from the sun, helping prevent
everyone and everything from getting sunburned. Often when ozone is
made, there are oxides of nitrogen made, which can cause havoc in the
lungs.


Yes - which is why medical grade ozone generators are fed with pure 
oxygen.



I have used ozone infused CS in the past with extremely good results.
Have killed bad flus and colds in a people who were completely under
the weather in less than 2 hours with it.


Good - I'm all for actual EVIDENCE of benefit - all I'm saying is no 
one should just try anything willy nilly, especially with something 
like ozone - in the wrong hands, it can be dangerous. In the right 
hands, it is perfectly safe and a powerful healing therapy.


Care to elaborate on exactly how you made it?

Ozonating machine you can buy for aquariiums.  I thought about supplying 
it with oxygen, but it seems to make no oxides of nitrogen anyway. Guess 
theyhave to design it right on that respect or it would kill the fish.


Marshall


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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Marshall Dudley]

Simon Jester wrote:

On 11/5/2007, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote:
I suspect that ozonated water will react the same with with CS that 
H2O2 does. They both have an unstable oxygen attached.  Basically it 
will oxidize the colloidal particles producing silver oxide and 
silver hydroxide, and then oxidize the silver oxide making two atom 
silver colloid (and an O2 molecule).  The reason that the 
conductivity went down is because much of the silver oxide, which is 
ionic, became a colloid with the second reaction. 


I prefer not to speculate... or to make things unnecessarily 
complicated. I just don't see a good reason to ozonate CS. If it is 
ever proven to somehow increase its potency or have some other 
beneficial effect, then by all means, lets shout it to the rooftops.
Well, it might break the particles down like H2O2 does, and there is 
some evidence it does. It is known that if this is done, potency 
increases.  And work by Bob Beck shows that ozone water is effective in 
getting to pathogens in areas where CS does not reach.  So between those 
two, it does increase the effectiveness of just plain old CS.


This is a good topic for experimentation - and I am even very 
interested in the results - but only by those capable of determining 
exactly what happens (and I'm not)...
Well, unfortunately, most experiments would be of a the nature that it 
worked on the flu or cold, and did so better than CS or ozonated water 
alone.  Difficult to structure so that one can be certain of the results 
since it is anecdotal.


Again, maybe it is fine - maybe it even amplifies the CS - maybe it 
even produces a hitherto unknown substance that is 5 times more 
powerful than CS and ozone combined - but it is just plain silly to 
'experiment' like this on your own body without having a damned good 
idea what it is actually doing ahead of time.


Well, I have a darned good idea what it does. It either mixes with no 
reaction, in which case it should do as well as CS plus Ozonated water 
summed together, or it will act like H2O2 and break down the larger 
colloidal particles making smaller ones, which would make it better than 
the sum of the parts. Neither of those I see has a downside.
This is just one mans opinion... everyone is of course welcome to 
experiment in their own way - and welcome to experience the 
consequences of their actions, even those taken in ignorance.
I have done the experiments with H2O2. I think it likely that ozonated 
water will behave similarly.


Marshall



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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Marshall Dudley]

damian wrote:

Wow arnt we mr negative. I was under the impression silver oxide was
black. 
Depends. It can be brown or black in bulk, but if in a fine powder, it 
will often be white or light tan.

I have as yet seen any black residue or color. Also with a pure
oxygen supply for ozone wouldnt have the same affect as h2o2 in that it
breaks the particle size down smaller.
  

I think it might.  The chemistry should be very similar.

Marshall

love and peace
Damian

On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 17:56 -0500, Simon Jester wrote:
  

On 11/4/2007, Carol Ann (saffiresk...@yahoo.com) wrote:

Sure I agree with you however i didnt know that much about the 
possible outcome thus my reason for joining and asking this group

the potential problems. My questions have to the most part been
answered so


 > What kind of air supply are u using to ozonate your water. Are you
 > using an Oxygen feed.

Makes no difference... the ozone will oxidize the silver regardless...

Again - it is pointless, and even counter-productive.


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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Simon Jester]

On 11/5/2007, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote:

Again - it is pointless, and even counter-productive.
What is counter productive? I don't follow this at all. 


Experimenting 'just because'...

I have asked more than once for anyone who actually might KNOW something 
about the type of reaction that may come into play - and my cautioning 
was directly related to none seemingly forthcoming.



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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Simon Jester]

On 11/5/2007, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote:
Ozone is great for killing all pathogens.  That is good.  It also can 
cause smog, when in the air with hydrocarbons, but I don't see that 
as relevent.


Thats because it is simply not true, and one element of FUD spread by 
the disinformation masters.


Ozone is not 'smog' itself, nor is it a 'component' of smog... it is 
PRESENT in smog - but it is simply because it is natures way of trying 
to CLEAN IT UP.



Neither is that it absorbs UV light from the sun, helping prevent
everyone and everything from getting sunburned. Often when ozone is
made, there are oxides of nitrogen made, which can cause havoc in the
lungs.


Yes - which is why medical grade ozone generators are fed with pure oxygen.


I have used ozone infused CS in the past with extremely good results.
Have killed bad flus and colds in a people who were completely under
the weather in less than 2 hours with it.


Good - I'm all for actual EVIDENCE of benefit - all I'm saying is no one 
should just try anything willy nilly, especially with something like 
ozone - in the wrong hands, it can be dangerous. In the right hands, it 
is perfectly safe and a powerful healing therapy.


Care to elaborate on exactly how you made it?


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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Marshall Dudley]

Simon Jester wrote:

On 11/4/2007, Carol Ann (saffiresk...@yahoo.com) wrote:
Sure I agree with you however i didnt know that much about the 
possible outcome thus my reason for joining and asking this group

the potential problems. My questions have to the most part been
answered so


> What kind of air supply are u using to ozonate your water. Are you
> using an Oxygen feed.

Makes no difference... the ozone will oxidize the silver regardless...

The ozone will oxidize the big particles and change the oxides to 
colloid.  The difference is if you are getting oxides of nitrogen, which 
are very nasty.

Again - it is pointless, and even counter-productive.

What is counter productive? I don't follow this at all.

Marshall



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RE: CS>CS OZone

[bob Larson]

Simon, are you sure about that?

you may be correct, but indication from what Damian did so far is that it
possibly acts similarly to peroxide in reducing larger particles to smaller
ones.  if it takes a yellow soln to clear, and even raises the reading on a
TDS meter, what does that mean and why???
that's what i'm wondering.

using an oxygen feed on the ozone generator will get nitrogen out of the
equation, and that may take care of any problem with it.
if ozone can be used instead of peroxide to break down particle size and
even create ions, without creating hydroxides or oxides, i like the idea ...
because i have a constant available on demand source of ozone, and don't
really want to spend money on food-grade peroxide that will largely go dead
over time in storage if i don't use enough.  i know the ozone isn't polluted
with additives if i use oxygen.

so what i'd like to see are the chemical equations of the reactions that
take place ... then the trick is to regain the chemistry knowledge to really
understand them.  i recall some time ago on one of the silver lists where
there was some argument over just what the reaction is with silver, silver
ions, and peroxide.  from that it seemed that even the biggest co. in the
world making peroxide doesn't have their head on straight for sure, as their
explanation/equation was apparently torn apart.

tetrasilver tetroxide kicks ass on microbes, and is safe enough in the body
from what i've been able to determine... so there apparently are oxides that
aren't such a bad thing to worry about.

> -Original Message-
> From: Simon Jester [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org]
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:56 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>CS OZone
>
>
> On 11/4/2007, Carol Ann (saffiresk...@yahoo.com) wrote:
> >> Sure I agree with you however i didnt know that much about the
> >> possible outcome thus my reason for joining and asking this group
> >> the potential problems. My questions have to the most part been
> >> answered so
>
>  > What kind of air supply are u using to ozonate your water. Are you
>  > using an Oxygen feed.
>
> Makes no difference... the ozone will oxidize the silver regardless...
>
> Again - it is pointless, and even counter-productive.
>
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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Marshall Dudley]

Simon Jester wrote:

On 11/3/2007, damian (dmona...@aapt.net.au) wrote:
Im not sure if this part was the cs or me but the next day i went to 
the mall and felt very naucious and spaced out literally. I know it

sounds weird but i felt like my concious was spread out amongst a
larger area and as a result i had difficulty balancing because here i
am this wide thing balancing upon a small pair of legs. I would love
to try some more but safety is my concern now.


I'm still failing to see why you would want to do this in the first 
place. If you read even a little on what ozone is and what it can do, 
it SHOULD be obvious that ozonating CS is NOT something you would want 
to do.


I am not quite sure what you are referring to here.  Ozone is great for 
killing all pathogens.  That is good.  It also can cause smog, when in 
the air with hydrocarbons, but I don't see that as relevent. Neither is 
that it absorbs UV light from the sun, helping prevent everyone and 
everything from getting sunburned.  Often when ozone is made, there are 
oxides of nitrogen made, which can cause havoc in the lungs.  But 
putting it in water, plus using ozone without oxides of nitrogen should 
not be a problem.


I have used ozone infused CS in the past with extremely good results.  
Have killed bad flus and colds in a people who were completely under the 
weather in less than 2 hours with it.



Marshall


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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Marshall Dudley]

That's weird. Sound more like what one would expect from gold, not silver.

Marshall

damian wrote:

I guess i should mention the psycho active aspects if you can call them
that. First off basically from the moment the cs went in my mouth a hue
sound started in my head and is only now diminishing. That night i was
up all night as i felt very alert and able to focus, I started writing
some eeg software. I had also experience what could only be termed as a
kind of bilocationality where by i felt like i was in two places in
once. This happened to me about 3 time during the active part. For me i
felt really in the moment and great, you didnt worry about anything you
just did what was required of you. 
Im not sure if this part was the cs or me but the next day i went to the

mall and felt very naucious and spaced out literally. I know it sounds
weird but i felt like my concious was spread out amongst a larger area
and as a result i had difficulty balancing because here i am this wide
thing balancing upon a small pair of legs. 
I would love to try some more but safety is my concern now. 
love and peace

Damian

On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 10:59 +1000, damian wrote:
  

Yeah your right about making cs while bubbling ozone through. It just
make a horrible mess of large particles and grey solution.
However when you have finished making it the normal way event just
ozonating the solution for 1 minute takes the ppm up from 6 to 12 and
color go from yellow to clear.
It is too early to say but when i took my first mouth full psycho active
affects appeared. It is only now that they are just about gone. It has
probably been 4 days since the initial trial. The batch i  took a mouth
full from had only been ozonated for 1 minute if i recall correctly. I
try to limit the ozonation time because the longer you ozonate the more
the ph drops. The lowest and stable has been 2.6
love and peace
Damian
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 11:48 -0500, Ode Coyote wrote:

  Ozone [O3]and Hydrogen Peroxide [H2O2], both have an unstable Oxygen atom 
that will scavenge the Oxygen atom out of Silver Oxide.

  It will also oxidize a silver ion, "making"  another  form of silver oxide.
  *When* either is used, counts.

If you bubble Ozone through the water as the EIS is being made, it will 
"probably" be yellow to black, or result in big flakes of silver metal, 
like when running a generator with H2O2 in the water.


Run some through a very fresh batch of EIS [CS]
  Make some with the O3 being bubbled through.

and tell us what happens.

  Note:  if you aren't feeding the Ozone generator pure oxygen, you will 
likely make some Silver Nitrate along with everything else.


ode


At 11:34 AM 11/3/2007 +1000, you wrote:

  

Hi
Im new to this list. i have been making cs for some time now. The other
day i brewed a light yellow 6ppm cs after which ozonated the solution
for 2hrs. The yellow tinge dissapeared. The laser got dimmer and the
weight or viscosity of the solution seemed to change.
I have measureed the solution for a couple of days now and the ph stays
around 2.6
My question is has anyone else done any investigation with ozonating cs
and is it safe to take
love and peace
Damian


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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Simon Jester]

On 11/5/2007, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote:
I suspect that ozonated water will react the same with with CS that 
H2O2 does. They both have an unstable oxygen attached.  Basically it 
will oxidize the colloidal particles producing silver oxide and 
silver hydroxide, and then oxidize the silver oxide making two atom 
silver colloid (and an O2 molecule).  The reason that the 
conductivity went down is because much of the silver oxide, which is 
ionic, became a colloid with the second reaction. 


I prefer not to speculate... or to make things unnecessarily 
complicated. I just don't see a good reason to ozonate CS. If it is ever 
proven to somehow increase its potency or have some other beneficial 
effect, then by all means, lets shout it to the rooftops.


This is a good topic for experimentation - and I am even very interested 
in the results - but only by those capable of determining exactly what 
happens (and I'm not)...


Again, maybe it is fine - maybe it even amplifies the CS - maybe it even 
produces a hitherto unknown substance that is 5 times more powerful than 
CS and ozone combined - but it is just plain silly to 'experiment' like 
this on your own body without having a damned good idea what it is 
actually doing ahead of time.


This is just one mans opinion... everyone is of course welcome to 
experiment in their own way - and welcome to experience the consequences 
of their actions, even those taken in ignorance.



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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Marshall Dudley]

I suspect that ozonated water will react the same with with CS that H2O2 
does. They both have an unstable oxygen attached.  Basically it will 
oxidize the colloidal particles producing silver oxide and silver 
hydroxide, and then oxidize the silver oxide making two atom silver 
colloid (and an O2 molecule).  The reason that the conductivity went 
down is because much of the silver oxide, which is ionic, became a 
colloid with the second reaction.


Ode Coyote wrote:



 Ozone [O3]and Hydrogen Peroxide [H2O2], both have an unstable Oxygen 
atom that will scavenge the Oxygen atom out of Silver Oxide.
 It will also oxidize a silver ion, "making"  another  form of silver 
oxide.

 *When* either is used, counts.

If you bubble Ozone through the water as the EIS is being made, it 
will "probably" be yellow to black, or result in big flakes of silver 
metal, like when running a generator with H2O2 in the water.


Run some through a very fresh batch of EIS [CS]
 Make some with the O3 being bubbled through.

and tell us what happens.

 Note:  if you aren't feeding the Ozone generator pure oxygen, you 
will likely make some Silver Nitrate along with everything else.


ode


At 11:34 AM 11/3/2007 +1000, you wrote:


Hi
Im new to this list. i have been making cs for some time now. The other
day i brewed a light yellow 6ppm cs after which ozonated the solution
for 2hrs. The yellow tinge dissapeared. The laser got dimmer and the
weight or viscosity of the solution seemed to change.
I have measureed the solution for a couple of days now and the ph stays
around 2.6
My question is has anyone else done any investigation with ozonating cs
and is it safe to take
love and peace
Damian


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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Simon Jester]

On 11/4/2007, damian (dmona...@aapt.net.au) wrote:

Wow arnt we mr negative.


??

> I was under the impression silver oxide was black.

I didn't say it would conver it to silver oxide... I said it would most 
likely OXIDIZE it.



I have as yet seen any black residue or color. Also with a pure
oxygen supply for ozone wouldnt have the same affect as h2o2 in that 
it breaks the particle size down smaller.


Ozone is not H2O2. It *may* do the same thing... or it probably WON'T.


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Re: CS>CS OZone

[damian]

Wow arnt we mr negative. I was under the impression silver oxide was
black. I have as yet seen any black residue or color. Also with a pure
oxygen supply for ozone wouldnt have the same affect as h2o2 in that it
breaks the particle size down smaller.
love and peace
Damian

On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 17:56 -0500, Simon Jester wrote:
> On 11/4/2007, Carol Ann (saffiresk...@yahoo.com) wrote:
> >> Sure I agree with you however i didnt know that much about the 
> >> possible outcome thus my reason for joining and asking this group
> >> the potential problems. My questions have to the most part been
> >> answered so
>  > What kind of air supply are u using to ozonate your water. Are you
>  > using an Oxygen feed.
> 
> Makes no difference... the ozone will oxidize the silver regardless...
> 
> Again - it is pointless, and even counter-productive.
> 
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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Simon Jester]

On 11/4/2007, Carol Ann (saffiresk...@yahoo.com) wrote:
Sure I agree with you however i didnt know that much about the 
possible outcome thus my reason for joining and asking this group

the potential problems. My questions have to the most part been
answered so


> What kind of air supply are u using to ozonate your water. Are you
> using an Oxygen feed.

Makes no difference... the ozone will oxidize the silver regardless...

Again - it is pointless, and even counter-productive.


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Re: CS>CS OZone

[damian]

Hi
No unfortunatly i dont have an oxygen feed. Wish i did as then i would
make ozonated olive oil. I think if you had an oxygen feed there would
be no problems with ozonating the cs
love and peace
Damian

On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 14:14 -0800, Carol Ann wrote:
> Hi Damian,
> What kind of air supply are u using to ozonate your water. Are you
> using an Oxygen feed.
> 
> damian  wrote:
> Hi Simon
> Sure I agree with you however i didnt know that much about the
> possible
> outcome thus my reason for joining and asking this group the
> potential
> problems. My questions have to the most part been answered so
> thankyou
> all
> Love and peace
> Damian
> 
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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Carol Ann]

Hi Damian,
What kind of air supply are u using to ozonate your water. Are you using an 
Oxygen feed.

damian  wrote: Hi Simon
Sure I agree with you however i didnt know that much about the possible
outcome thus my reason for joining and asking this group the potential
problems. My questions have to the most part been answered so thankyou
all
Love and peace
Damian



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Re: CS>CS OZone

[damian]

Hi Simon
Sure I agree with you however i didnt know that much about the possible
outcome thus my reason for joining and asking this group the potential
problems. My questions have to the most part been answered so thankyou
all
Love and peace
Damian

On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 13:54 -0500, Simon Jester wrote:
> On 11/3/2007, damian (dmona...@aapt.net.au) wrote:
> > Im not sure if this part was the cs or me but the next day i went to 
> > the mall and felt very naucious and spaced out literally. I know it
> > sounds weird but i felt like my concious was spread out amongst a
> > larger area and as a result i had difficulty balancing because here i
> > am this wide thing balancing upon a small pair of legs. I would love
> > to try some more but safety is my concern now.
> I'm still failing to see why you would want to do this in the first 
> place. If you read even a little on what ozone is and what it can do, it 
> SHOULD be obvious that ozonating CS is NOT something you would want to do.
> 
> Trying stuff like this without first hitting oneself in the head real 
> hard with a clue-stick is what sometimes results in someone getting hurt 
> - or even killed - which then gives 'them' even more ammunition to clamp 
> down on those of us trying to take care of ourselves.
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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Simon Jester]

On 11/3/2007, damian (dmona...@aapt.net.au) wrote:
Im not sure if this part was the cs or me but the next day i went to 
the mall and felt very naucious and spaced out literally. I know it

sounds weird but i felt like my concious was spread out amongst a
larger area and as a result i had difficulty balancing because here i
am this wide thing balancing upon a small pair of legs. I would love
to try some more but safety is my concern now.


I'm still failing to see why you would want to do this in the first 
place. If you read even a little on what ozone is and what it can do, it 
SHOULD be obvious that ozonating CS is NOT something you would want to do.


Trying stuff like this without first hitting oneself in the head real 
hard with a clue-stick is what sometimes results in someone getting hurt 
- or even killed - which then gives 'them' even more ammunition to clamp 
down on those of us trying to take care of ourselves.



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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Clayton Family]

Elaborate please, what kind of psycho-active effects?

On Nov 3, 2007, at 6:59 PM, damian wrote:


Yeah your right about making cs while bubbling ozone through. It just
make a horrible mess of large particles and grey solution.
However when you have finished making it the normal way event just
ozonating the solution for 1 minute takes the ppm up from 6 to 12 and
color go from yellow to clear.
It is too early to say but when i took my first mouth full psycho 
active

affects appeared. It is only now that they are just about gone. It has
probably been 4 days since the initial trial. The batch i  took a mouth
full from had only been ozonated for 1 minute if i recall correctly. I
try to limit the ozonation time because the longer you ozonate the more
the ph drops. The lowest and stable has been 2.6
love and peace
Damian

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Re: CS>CS OZone

[damian]

I guess i should mention the psycho active aspects if you can call them
that. First off basically from the moment the cs went in my mouth a hue
sound started in my head and is only now diminishing. That night i was
up all night as i felt very alert and able to focus, I started writing
some eeg software. I had also experience what could only be termed as a
kind of bilocationality where by i felt like i was in two places in
once. This happened to me about 3 time during the active part. For me i
felt really in the moment and great, you didnt worry about anything you
just did what was required of you. 
Im not sure if this part was the cs or me but the next day i went to the
mall and felt very naucious and spaced out literally. I know it sounds
weird but i felt like my concious was spread out amongst a larger area
and as a result i had difficulty balancing because here i am this wide
thing balancing upon a small pair of legs. 
I would love to try some more but safety is my concern now. 
love and peace
Damian

On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 10:59 +1000, damian wrote:
> Yeah your right about making cs while bubbling ozone through. It just
> make a horrible mess of large particles and grey solution.
> However when you have finished making it the normal way event just
> ozonating the solution for 1 minute takes the ppm up from 6 to 12 and
> color go from yellow to clear.
> It is too early to say but when i took my first mouth full psycho active
> affects appeared. It is only now that they are just about gone. It has
> probably been 4 days since the initial trial. The batch i  took a mouth
> full from had only been ozonated for 1 minute if i recall correctly. I
> try to limit the ozonation time because the longer you ozonate the more
> the ph drops. The lowest and stable has been 2.6
> love and peace
> Damian
> On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 11:48 -0500, Ode Coyote wrote:
> >   Ozone [O3]and Hydrogen Peroxide [H2O2], both have an unstable Oxygen atom 
> > that will scavenge the Oxygen atom out of Silver Oxide.
> >   It will also oxidize a silver ion, "making"  another  form of silver 
> > oxide.
> >   *When* either is used, counts.
> > 
> > If you bubble Ozone through the water as the EIS is being made, it will 
> > "probably" be yellow to black, or result in big flakes of silver metal, 
> > like when running a generator with H2O2 in the water.
> > 
> > Run some through a very fresh batch of EIS [CS]
> >   Make some with the O3 being bubbled through.
> > 
> > and tell us what happens.
> > 
> >   Note:  if you aren't feeding the Ozone generator pure oxygen, you will 
> > likely make some Silver Nitrate along with everything else.
> > 
> > ode
> > 
> > 
> > At 11:34 AM 11/3/2007 +1000, you wrote:
> > 
> > >Hi
> > >Im new to this list. i have been making cs for some time now. The other
> > >day i brewed a light yellow 6ppm cs after which ozonated the solution
> > >for 2hrs. The yellow tinge dissapeared. The laser got dimmer and the
> > >weight or viscosity of the solution seemed to change.
> > >I have measureed the solution for a couple of days now and the ph stays
> > >around 2.6
> > >My question is has anyone else done any investigation with ozonating cs
> > >and is it safe to take
> > >love and peace
> > >Damian
> > >
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Re: CS>CS OZone

[damian]

Yeah your right about making cs while bubbling ozone through. It just
make a horrible mess of large particles and grey solution.
However when you have finished making it the normal way event just
ozonating the solution for 1 minute takes the ppm up from 6 to 12 and
color go from yellow to clear.
It is too early to say but when i took my first mouth full psycho active
affects appeared. It is only now that they are just about gone. It has
probably been 4 days since the initial trial. The batch i  took a mouth
full from had only been ozonated for 1 minute if i recall correctly. I
try to limit the ozonation time because the longer you ozonate the more
the ph drops. The lowest and stable has been 2.6
love and peace
Damian

On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 11:48 -0500, Ode Coyote wrote:
>   Ozone [O3]and Hydrogen Peroxide [H2O2], both have an unstable Oxygen atom 
> that will scavenge the Oxygen atom out of Silver Oxide.
>   It will also oxidize a silver ion, "making"  another  form of silver oxide.
>   *When* either is used, counts.
> 
> If you bubble Ozone through the water as the EIS is being made, it will 
> "probably" be yellow to black, or result in big flakes of silver metal, 
> like when running a generator with H2O2 in the water.
> 
> Run some through a very fresh batch of EIS [CS]
>   Make some with the O3 being bubbled through.
> 
> and tell us what happens.
> 
>   Note:  if you aren't feeding the Ozone generator pure oxygen, you will 
> likely make some Silver Nitrate along with everything else.
> 
> ode
> 
> 
> At 11:34 AM 11/3/2007 +1000, you wrote:
> 
> >Hi
> >Im new to this list. i have been making cs for some time now. The other
> >day i brewed a light yellow 6ppm cs after which ozonated the solution
> >for 2hrs. The yellow tinge dissapeared. The laser got dimmer and the
> >weight or viscosity of the solution seemed to change.
> >I have measureed the solution for a couple of days now and the ph stays
> >around 2.6
> >My question is has anyone else done any investigation with ozonating cs
> >and is it safe to take
> >love and peace
> >Damian
> >
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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Jonathan B. Britten]

NB according to my reading, silver nitrate is deadly even in small 
quantities.   Do you know whether there would be enough present to be 
any serious risk?If so, the information below would be something 
for the archives.





On Sunday, Nov 4, 2007, at 01:48 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:




.

 Note:  if you aren't feeding the Ozone generator pure oxygen, you 
will likely make some Silver Nitrate along with everything else.


ode


At 11:34 AM 11/3/2007 +1000, you wrote:


Hi
Im new to this list. i have been making cs for some time now. The 
other

day i brewed a light yellow 6ppm cs after which ozonated the solution
for 2hrs. The yellow tinge dissapeared. The laser got dimmer and the
weight or viscosity of the solution seemed to change.
I have measureed the solution for a couple of days now and the ph 
stays

around 2.6
My question is has anyone else done any investigation with ozonating 
cs

and is it safe to take
love and peace
Damian


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Re: CS>CS OZone

[Ode Coyote]

 Ozone [O3]and Hydrogen Peroxide [H2O2], both have an unstable Oxygen atom 
that will scavenge the Oxygen atom out of Silver Oxide.

 It will also oxidize a silver ion, "making"  another  form of silver oxide.
 *When* either is used, counts.

If you bubble Ozone through the water as the EIS is being made, it will 
"probably" be yellow to black, or result in big flakes of silver metal, 
like when running a generator with H2O2 in the water.


Run some through a very fresh batch of EIS [CS]
 Make some with the O3 being bubbled through.

and tell us what happens.

 Note:  if you aren't feeding the Ozone generator pure oxygen, you will 
likely make some Silver Nitrate along with everything else.


ode


At 11:34 AM 11/3/2007 +1000, you wrote:


Hi
Im new to this list. i have been making cs for some time now. The other
day i brewed a light yellow 6ppm cs after which ozonated the solution
for 2hrs. The yellow tinge dissapeared. The laser got dimmer and the
weight or viscosity of the solution seemed to change.
I have measureed the solution for a couple of days now and the ph stays
around 2.6
My question is has anyone else done any investigation with ozonating cs
and is it safe to take
love and peace
Damian


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CS>CS OZone... what does the ozone do to CS ???

[bob Larson]

i've been conversing with damian a bit about this on another list.  the
question we are most interested in is regarding what happens when CS is
ozonated.

my first thoughts are that it would do the same thing as peroxide in making
particles smaller, therefore accounting for the color disappearing, going
back to clear.  since he reported the ppm going up also, i speculate that
some particles are going into an ionic state, which brings up another
question: will peroxide some particles into ionic state?  or does it only
break them down so far but not ionize them?

an interesting thing is the change of weight...how to account for that?
overall, the solution still should weigh the same, shouldn't it?  i can
readily accept some change of viscosity...   but

he also mentioned pretty powerful psychoactive stimulant effects from a
small amount of it, and some other sensations he found a bit unnerving...
best for him to get into that part.  i have experienced a "perfect speed"
effect from CS for the first few months after starting use, which i
attributed to clearing my body of all manner of living undesireables and
their toxins etc and the load they had me carrying.  i loved it, it made me
feel "normal" like up to speed with the rest of the world ... in a much
better way than speed did back in '68-73 before it got into ultimately
dragging me down more than up.  i'm wondering if the other sensations damian
experienced might be a bit of a herx from die-off?

damian, had you been taking any CS regularly previous to this sampling?  if
not, then my guess is the funky part of the effects would leave as your
system flushed the waste, and you would acclimate to the higher energy
state???  or maybe you're individuality is wired with a particular
sensitivity... or maybe the ozonation really does something different,
and/or as you speculated about some possible nitrites from the ozone
generation getting into the mix and/or hydroxides forming???
hey, maybe if nitrogen + silver compounds are responsible for the super
speed effect, then that could've been what rosemary jacobs was into, being a
speed freak.  there sure used to be a lot of serious nasal spray addicts in
the 50's and 60's.

i had a lot of hep-C brain fog and fatigue as a burden when i started CS so
the psychoactive contrast for me was huge... but i had no herx at all, just
an amazing loss of adverse symptoms.

[...bobL: ]
 -Original Message-
From: Faith Saint Francis [mailto:fesanfranci...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:50 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>CS OZone


  Respected Damian:

  We brewed home-made silverwater for years, and we have no sophisticated
aparatus for measuring PPM etc.

  We do see a yellowish color now and then, and it either disappears or
falls to the bottom of our water.
  The we use it anyway. We do filter with cottonwool if there is any color.

  Yet we prefer clear water for our clients ..it is that more attractive,
and it does not cause any questions..
  Clear water we get by brewing from the brands Manatial (which seems rather
south-American) or le Bleu, which may even be obtained elsewhere in the
world (the States?)

  Le Bleu has given us the best results, Manatial is second best.

  Take Care,

  FaithStFrancis,
  Medellin,
  Colombia








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  > From: dmona...@aapt.net.au
  > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:34:46 +1000
  > Subject: CS>CS OZone
  >
  > Hi
  > Im new to this list. i have been making cs for some time now. The other
  > day i brewed a light yellow 6ppm cs after which ozonated the solution
  > for 2hrs. The yellow tinge dissapeared. The laser got dimmer and the
  > weight or viscosity of the solution seemed to change.
  > I have measureed the solution for a couple of days now and the ph stays
  > around 2.6
  > My question is has anyone else done any investigation with ozonating cs
  > and is it safe to take
  > love and peace
  > Damian
  >
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RE: CS>CS OZone

[Faith Saint Francis]

Respected Damian:
 
We brewed home-made silverwater for years, and we have no sophisticated 
aparatus for measuring PPM etc.
 
We do see a yellowish color now and then, and it either disappears or falls to 
the bottom of our water.
The we use it anyway. We do filter with cottonwool if there is any color.
 
Yet we prefer clear water for our clients ..it is that more attractive, and it 
does not cause any questions..
Clear water we get by brewing from the brands Manatial (which seems rather 
south-American) or le Bleu, which may even be obtained elsewhere in the world 
(the States?)
 
Le Bleu has given us the best results, Manatial is second best.
 
Take Care,
 
FaithStFrancis,
Medellin,
Colombia
 
 



> From: dmona...@aapt.net.au> To: silver-list@eskimo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 
> 11:34:46 +1000> Subject: CS>CS OZone> > Hi > Im new to this list. i have been 
> making cs for some time now. The other> day i brewed a light yellow 6ppm cs 
> after which ozonated the solution> for 2hrs. The yellow tinge dissapeared. 
> The laser got dimmer and the> weight or viscosity of the solution seemed to 
> change.> I have measureed the solution for a couple of days now and the ph 
> stays> around 2.6> My question is has anyone else done any investigation with 
> ozonating cs> and is it safe to take> love and peace> Damian> > > --> The 
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CS>CS OZone

[damian]

Hi 
Im new to this list. i have been making cs for some time now. The other
day i brewed a light yellow 6ppm cs after which ozonated the solution
for 2hrs. The yellow tinge dissapeared. The laser got dimmer and the
weight or viscosity of the solution seemed to change.
I have measureed the solution for a couple of days now and the ph stays
around 2.6
My question is has anyone else done any investigation with ozonating cs
and is it safe to take
love and peace
Damian


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