Re: CS>R.I.P. Himagain
the beginning of my understanding of one major aspect of how people react and perceive was understanding how ronald reagan was labelled the teflon president. reagan rolled merrily on his way telling jokes and "staying on message". he did not engage his detractors. in general: people will take their cues about you by how you act. i find that people acting from a fear place will act and re-act fearfully and angrily to both legitimate threats and illegitimate ones. words are rarily a real threat. certainly nothing on this list in a dispute those operating from fearful ego's will become engaged as their fears are engaged. i seperate communication into two parts: 1) the actual information 2)possible bias or ill-will on the part of the other both of these information sets are informative and neutral. if someone says things that are charged and irrational all one has to do is refute the specifics. if one acts charged and irrational than... in society we need to take some injury to stay in society. we build our relations by being helpful and not disruptive. in general this is the proper path. also remember, things come out in the wash. if one is fearful and angry you will find others who are fearful and angry. if one is helpful and aware, one will meet more and more others like this. i find almost all people who have "done me wrong" eventually show up as these type of people and have relations along these lines. meanwhile, what i am doing seems to create more and more relations relating to my thoughts and behavior. is that good or bad? depends on what one is doing. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>R.I.P. Himagain
Don't leave please. You have made some good points here. You maybe invite personal attacks , because people like to test people who challenge their comfortable views, to see how you respond, before they can break out . It means they want to change their own views. Stick around. The line 'he's not without some justification for his view' is provoking, I see. Probably a tame effort to be fair to both (moderate), not seriously provocative, agreeing with them. Moderate in these things is impossible, it's not a 'MIddle Way' , because someone (you) stand to be injured. That's life..Take these things seriously sure, I would, but stay quiet. Participate whenever you wish.. No one knows you. They can't be right. Just their own noise, really. This is written in better words in the iChing. (somewhere) On 7 Mar 2005, at 22:10, Himagain wrote: Hi Mike, Not a problem for me. If YOU as the moderator find that crazed libelous attack on me not worthy of your *immediately* castigating and warning that person about such ill-advised and uninformed posts, I am most disappointed in you. This key quote of yours below,fails you on two grounds: - 1. Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. 2. He's not without some justification for his view, 3. but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. - 1. Public complaints are -by your own rules - to be private to you. 2. If you agree with such a weird personal attack, then your list is not a place for me. 3. *I* take such things very seriously. (I did warn you about the need for YOUR fast reaction to such diseased things before, you may recall.) So, I will post this one last letter and cease actively participating. Most of the other lists I contribute to only complain that I don't also run a free personal advisory service. :-) In answer for your own erudition and list information: I run on behalf of Fablor (an international serious business group), a number of volatile lists - most of which are between $52 per year and $1000 p.a. as a business subscription. Fablor also sponsors many public service efforts, like MATRIXIDE. Only a deranged person, or perhaps a shill for the disinformers (ever seen www.quackwatch.com ? ) could claim that it is a money-making scheme. Everything on Matrixide is free, including the Newslist - including the triage section - and the information there is simply repository - all gathered from impeccable sources on the Internet and specific to a single question. "Why are they doing it to us?" Membership in many lists such as Silver, are simply my personal return contribution to the many good people who sincerely endeavour to do their bit toward the public information sector, offsetting the massive disinformation industry that exists in every area, but most savagely, that of health. Everything I post is done only after clearing with my Editorial people especially as to what I can give away free *and* not get into legal hot water. And yes, I do constantly remind people that the source of the writer's money is the safest and most accurate check on their veracity. It is. The only thing one might add is "their politics" ( usually obvious). I do not allow any person to judge me. Either in absentia or in camera. If you cannot stand the bright light of the public forum, then I have no interest in your claim or contention. I wish you well and trust that you have learned something useful from this sad and unseemly event. Cordially, Himagain "To find your enemy, look to the dark places. Conspiracy demands shadows" Li Pi Tze (again) --- --- At 01:16 AM 08/03/05, you wrote: Hi John, Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. He's not without some justification for his view, but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. My question... I know that some of your Fablor activities are a paid- for service, but what about Matrixide? Do you charge for memberships on that side of things as well? I just don't remember what I saw at your site... Please hold off on responding to Dan's post while a) others weigh in on the matter so we can see the general level of sentiment, and b) while I formulate my response, based in part on your answer to the above. Thanks, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintain
CS>R.I.P. Himagain
Hi Mike, Not a problem for me. If YOU as the moderator find that crazed libelous attack on me not worthy of your *immediately* castigating and warning that person about such ill-advised and uninformed posts, I am most disappointed in you. This key quote of yours below,fails you on two grounds: - 1. Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. 2. He's not without some justification for his view, 3. but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. - 1. Public complaints are -by your own rules - to be private to you. 2. If you agree with such a weird personal attack, then your list is not a place for me. 3. *I* take such things very seriously. (I did warn you about the need for YOUR fast reaction to such diseased things before, you may recall.) So, I will post this one last letter and cease actively participating. Most of the other lists I contribute to only complain that I don't also run a free personal advisory service. :-) In answer for your own erudition and list information: I run on behalf of Fablor (an international serious business group), a number of volatile lists - most of which are between $52 per year and $1000 p.a. as a business subscription. Fablor also sponsors many public service efforts, like MATRIXIDE. Only a deranged person, or perhaps a shill for the disinformers (ever seen www.quackwatch.com ? ) could claim that it is a money-making scheme. Everything on Matrixide is free, including the Newslist - including the triage section - and the information there is simply repository - all gathered from impeccable sources on the Internet and specific to a single question. "Why are they doing it to us?" Membership in many lists such as Silver, are simply my personal return contribution to the many good people who sincerely endeavour to do their bit toward the public information sector, offsetting the massive disinformation industry that exists in every area, but most savagely, that of health. Everything I post is done only after clearing with my Editorial people especially as to what I can give away free *and* not get into legal hot water. And yes, I do constantly remind people that the source of the writer's money is the safest and most accurate check on their veracity. It is. The only thing one might add is "their politics" ( usually obvious). I do not allow any person to judge me. Either in absentia or in camera. If you cannot stand the bright light of the public forum, then I have no interest in your claim or contention. I wish you well and trust that you have learned something useful from this sad and unseemly event. Cordially, Himagain "To find your enemy, look to the dark places. Conspiracy demands shadows" Li Pi Tze (again) -- At 01:16 AM 08/03/05, you wrote: Hi John, Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List. He's not without some justification for his view, but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously. My question... I know that some of your Fablor activities are a paid- for service, but what about Matrixide? Do you charge for memberships on that side of things as well? I just don't remember what I saw at your site... Please hold off on responding to Dan's post while a) others weigh in on the matter so we can see the general level of sentiment, and b) while I formulate my response, based in part on your answer to the above. Thanks, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
