Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[Dee]

Thank you for your reply Malcolm, I do leave the distilled water for days and 
sometimes weeks before making the CS as I don't make much, only the odd 500ml 
which lasts me a fair time.  Sorry to be a pain...dee

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> On 19 Oct 2014, at 21:51, Malcolm  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dee,
> Sorry; I didn't do a very good job of generalizing the whole idea.
> Here's what I suspect just might be happening in this particular case;
> when you make your distilled water perhaps some air becomes entrained -
> not hard to do when you boil water.  As this water cools, there may be a
> tendency for this entrained air to come out of solution and the
> microscopic bubbles could reflect just like any other particle giving
> you the Tyndall scatter.  Try letting the distilled water sit for a
> while, meaning hours or a day.  See if you get bubbles forming on the
> container sides.  The conductivity will increase a tiny bit due to the
> absorption of CO2 from the air over that time forming H2CO3, carbonic
> acid.  As a side note, distilled water from the store has sometimes had
> hydrogen peroxide added to it, H2O2, and the extra O will come out as
> above, leaving behind - H2O!~ tricky, huh?  Why do they do it?  Perhaps
> some added insurance against infection?  Who can say?
> 
>> On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 21:02 +0100, Dee wrote:
>> Ours comes from the mains water, but the tap water isn't the problem, that 
>> shows no Tyndall, it was the distilled water that did...dee
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 19:10, Malcolm  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dee, there's another possibility here; I don't know how your water is
>>> delivered to your faucet, but one thing that can happen is that a little
>>> air gets entrained into it, and as the pressure is released going from
>>> your plumbing into a container, the air is released as microscopic
>>> bubbles.  These are not the ones you see on the sides of a container
>>> after you let the container stand - which are far from microscopic
>>> anyway.  Rather they can make the water even seem cloudy, though the
>>> effect dissipates, and even begins to form into those much larger ones
>>> that collect on the container's surface.
>>> Just a thought,  Malcolm
>>> 
 On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 11:02 +0100, Dee wrote:
 I make the distilled water myself and it has a 0 reading with my TDS
 meter.  The tap water has a reading of over 300.  The only thing might
 be, that I poured the distilled water into the jar which I make the CS
 in, without cleaning it out first as I thought this unnecessary.  I
 wouldn't have thought there would be enough particles left to cause a
 Tyndall effect though...dee
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 19 Oct 2014, at 00:54, Debra & David  wrote:
 
 
> The answer is simple. Neither your tap water nor your distilled
> water is pure. Mains filtration plants are very good at removing
> particles, hence you will often see no laser line. On the other hand
> it probably still contains plenty of dissolved salts (invisible to a
> laser) so if you used a meter in the mains water you would get a
> significant reading.
> 
> If your distilled water is displaying a laser line it contains fine
> particles, so its either not distilled in the first place or its
> being contaminated after distilling. Unless your glass jar is
> obviously unclean its not likely to add significant particles to the
> water. 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dee 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:02 AM
> Subject: CS>Conundrum
> 
> I shone a laser through my distilled water and I got a distinct
> Tyndall effect, just the same as I get through my finished CS.  Can
> anyone explain this? If I shine it through tap water there is
> nothing...dee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> On 19/10/2014 5:36 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[ASL raVen]

Yeah, it's a new site so feel free to add the rest that is not listed on
it. : )


RaVen

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Marshall  wrote:

>  I bet you have lots which are closer than that.  I checked Knoxville
> area and they only had one listed.  I know of 4 others which are not on the
> site.
>
> Marshall
>
> On 10/19/2014 11:11 AM, Beth Toraason wrote:
>
> Wow... turns out there's a spring just 20 miles from my home!  Looks like
> a great Sunday jaunt.
> Thank you, RaVen
>
>  On Oct 18, 2014, at 4:58 PM, ASL raVen wrote:
>
> http://www.findaspring.com
>
>
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Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[Marshall]

I bet you have lots which are closer than that.  I checked Knoxville 
area and they only had one listed.  I know of 4 others which are not on 
the site.


Marshall

On 10/19/2014 11:11 AM, Beth Toraason wrote:
Wow... turns out there's a spring just 20 miles from my home!  Looks 
like a great Sunday jaunt.

Thank you, RaVen

On Oct 18, 2014, at 4:58 PM, ASL raVen wrote:


http://www.findaspring.com 




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Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[ASL raVen]

You're welcome Beth!

RaVen

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Beth Toraason 
wrote:

> Wow... turns out there's a spring just 20 miles from my home!  Looks like
> a great Sunday jaunt.
> Thank you, RaVen
>
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 4:58 PM, ASL raVen wrote:
>
> http://www.findaspring.com
>
>
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passively waiting and hoping for some good thing to happen. It gives us
hope by helping us realize that the righteous suffer no failure except in
giving up and no longer trying. We must never give up, regardless of
temptations, frustrations, disappointments, or discouragements." *by Joseph
P. Wirthlin*

Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[Malcolm]

Hi Dee,
Sorry; I didn't do a very good job of generalizing the whole idea.
Here's what I suspect just might be happening in this particular case;
when you make your distilled water perhaps some air becomes entrained -
not hard to do when you boil water.  As this water cools, there may be a
tendency for this entrained air to come out of solution and the
microscopic bubbles could reflect just like any other particle giving
you the Tyndall scatter.  Try letting the distilled water sit for a
while, meaning hours or a day.  See if you get bubbles forming on the
container sides.  The conductivity will increase a tiny bit due to the
absorption of CO2 from the air over that time forming H2CO3, carbonic
acid.  As a side note, distilled water from the store has sometimes had
hydrogen peroxide added to it, H2O2, and the extra O will come out as
above, leaving behind - H2O!~ tricky, huh?  Why do they do it?  Perhaps
some added insurance against infection?  Who can say?

On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 21:02 +0100, Dee wrote:
> Ours comes from the mains water, but the tap water isn't the problem, that 
> shows no Tyndall, it was the distilled water that did...dee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 19 Oct 2014, at 19:10, Malcolm  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Dee, there's another possibility here; I don't know how your water is
> > delivered to your faucet, but one thing that can happen is that a little
> > air gets entrained into it, and as the pressure is released going from
> > your plumbing into a container, the air is released as microscopic
> > bubbles.  These are not the ones you see on the sides of a container
> > after you let the container stand - which are far from microscopic
> > anyway.  Rather they can make the water even seem cloudy, though the
> > effect dissipates, and even begins to form into those much larger ones
> > that collect on the container's surface.
> > Just a thought,  Malcolm
> > 
> >> On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 11:02 +0100, Dee wrote:
> >> I make the distilled water myself and it has a 0 reading with my TDS
> >> meter.  The tap water has a reading of over 300.  The only thing might
> >> be, that I poured the distilled water into the jar which I make the CS
> >> in, without cleaning it out first as I thought this unnecessary.  I
> >> wouldn't have thought there would be enough particles left to cause a
> >> Tyndall effect though...dee
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> 
> >> On 19 Oct 2014, at 00:54, Debra & David  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> The answer is simple. Neither your tap water nor your distilled
> >>> water is pure. Mains filtration plants are very good at removing
> >>> particles, hence you will often see no laser line. On the other hand
> >>> it probably still contains plenty of dissolved salts (invisible to a
> >>> laser) so if you used a meter in the mains water you would get a
> >>> significant reading.
> >>> 
> >>> If your distilled water is displaying a laser line it contains fine
> >>> particles, so its either not distilled in the first place or its
> >>> being contaminated after distilling. Unless your glass jar is
> >>> obviously unclean its not likely to add significant particles to the
> >>> water. 
> >>> 
> >>> David
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> From: Dee 
> >>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:02 AM
> >>> Subject: CS>Conundrum
> >>> 
> >>> I shone a laser through my distilled water and I got a distinct
> >>> Tyndall effect, just the same as I get through my finished CS.  Can
> >>> anyone explain this? If I shine it through tap water there is
> >>> nothing...dee
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On 19/10/2014 5:36 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> > 
> > 
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Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[Dee]

Ours comes from the mains water, but the tap water isn't the problem, that 
shows no Tyndall, it was the distilled water that did...dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 19 Oct 2014, at 19:10, Malcolm  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dee, there's another possibility here; I don't know how your water is
> delivered to your faucet, but one thing that can happen is that a little
> air gets entrained into it, and as the pressure is released going from
> your plumbing into a container, the air is released as microscopic
> bubbles.  These are not the ones you see on the sides of a container
> after you let the container stand - which are far from microscopic
> anyway.  Rather they can make the water even seem cloudy, though the
> effect dissipates, and even begins to form into those much larger ones
> that collect on the container's surface.
> Just a thought,  Malcolm
> 
>> On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 11:02 +0100, Dee wrote:
>> I make the distilled water myself and it has a 0 reading with my TDS
>> meter.  The tap water has a reading of over 300.  The only thing might
>> be, that I poured the distilled water into the jar which I make the CS
>> in, without cleaning it out first as I thought this unnecessary.  I
>> wouldn't have thought there would be enough particles left to cause a
>> Tyndall effect though...dee
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 00:54, Debra & David  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> The answer is simple. Neither your tap water nor your distilled
>>> water is pure. Mains filtration plants are very good at removing
>>> particles, hence you will often see no laser line. On the other hand
>>> it probably still contains plenty of dissolved salts (invisible to a
>>> laser) so if you used a meter in the mains water you would get a
>>> significant reading.
>>> 
>>> If your distilled water is displaying a laser line it contains fine
>>> particles, so its either not distilled in the first place or its
>>> being contaminated after distilling. Unless your glass jar is
>>> obviously unclean its not likely to add significant particles to the
>>> water. 
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Dee 
>>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:02 AM
>>> Subject: CS>Conundrum
>>> 
>>> I shone a laser through my distilled water and I got a distinct
>>> Tyndall effect, just the same as I get through my finished CS.  Can
>>> anyone explain this? If I shine it through tap water there is
>>> nothing...dee
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 19/10/2014 5:36 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Re: Conundrum; Oops!

[Malcolm]

Oops!  Left out one little part, changes in the water temp often bring
on this "cloudiness" effect.

On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 11:02 +0100, Dee wrote:
> I make the distilled water myself and it has a 0 reading with my TDS
> meter.  The tap water has a reading of over 300.  The only thing might
> be, that I poured the distilled water into the jar which I make the CS
> in, without cleaning it out first as I thought this unnecessary.  I
> wouldn't have thought there would be enough particles left to cause a
> Tyndall effect though...dee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 19 Oct 2014, at 00:54, Debra & David  wrote:
> 
> 
> > The answer is simple. Neither your tap water nor your distilled
> > water is pure. Mains filtration plants are very good at removing
> > particles, hence you will often see no laser line. On the other hand
> > it probably still contains plenty of dissolved salts (invisible to a
> > laser) so if you used a meter in the mains water you would get a
> > significant reading.
> > 
> > If your distilled water is displaying a laser line it contains fine
> > particles, so its either not distilled in the first place or its
> > being contaminated after distilling. Unless your glass jar is
> > obviously unclean its not likely to add significant particles to the
> > water. 
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Dee 
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:02 AM
> > Subject: CS>Conundrum
> > 
> > I shone a laser through my distilled water and I got a distinct
> > Tyndall effect, just the same as I get through my finished CS.  Can
> > anyone explain this? If I shine it through tap water there is
> > nothing...dee
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 19/10/2014 5:36 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 



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Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[Malcolm]

Hi Dee, there's another possibility here; I don't know how your water is
delivered to your faucet, but one thing that can happen is that a little
air gets entrained into it, and as the pressure is released going from
your plumbing into a container, the air is released as microscopic
bubbles.  These are not the ones you see on the sides of a container
after you let the container stand - which are far from microscopic
anyway.  Rather they can make the water even seem cloudy, though the
effect dissipates, and even begins to form into those much larger ones
that collect on the container's surface.
Just a thought,  Malcolm

On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 11:02 +0100, Dee wrote:
> I make the distilled water myself and it has a 0 reading with my TDS
> meter.  The tap water has a reading of over 300.  The only thing might
> be, that I poured the distilled water into the jar which I make the CS
> in, without cleaning it out first as I thought this unnecessary.  I
> wouldn't have thought there would be enough particles left to cause a
> Tyndall effect though...dee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 19 Oct 2014, at 00:54, Debra & David  wrote:
> 
> 
> > The answer is simple. Neither your tap water nor your distilled
> > water is pure. Mains filtration plants are very good at removing
> > particles, hence you will often see no laser line. On the other hand
> > it probably still contains plenty of dissolved salts (invisible to a
> > laser) so if you used a meter in the mains water you would get a
> > significant reading.
> > 
> > If your distilled water is displaying a laser line it contains fine
> > particles, so its either not distilled in the first place or its
> > being contaminated after distilling. Unless your glass jar is
> > obviously unclean its not likely to add significant particles to the
> > water. 
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Dee 
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:02 AM
> > Subject: CS>Conundrum
> > 
> > I shone a laser through my distilled water and I got a distinct
> > Tyndall effect, just the same as I get through my finished CS.  Can
> > anyone explain this? If I shine it through tap water there is
> > nothing...dee
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 19/10/2014 5:36 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 



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Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[Beth Toraason]

Wow... turns out there's a spring just 20 miles from my home!  Looks like a 
great Sunday jaunt.
Thank you, RaVen

On Oct 18, 2014, at 4:58 PM, ASL raVen wrote:

> http://www.findaspring.com

Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[Dee]

I make the distilled water myself and it has a 0 reading with my TDS meter.  
The tap water has a reading of over 300.  The only thing might be, that I 
poured the distilled water into the jar which I make the CS in, without 
cleaning it out first as I thought this unnecessary.  I wouldn't have thought 
there would be enough particles left to cause a Tyndall effect though...dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 19 Oct 2014, at 00:54, Debra & David  wrote:
> 
> The answer is simple. Neither your tap water nor your distilled water is 
> pure. Mains filtration plants are very good at removing particles, hence you 
> will often see no laser line. On the other hand it probably still contains 
> plenty of dissolved salts (invisible to a laser) so if you used a meter in 
> the mains water you would get a significant reading.
> 
> If your distilled water is displaying a laser line it contains fine 
> particles, so its either not distilled in the first place or its being 
> contaminated after distilling. Unless your glass jar is obviously unclean its 
> not likely to add significant particles to the water. 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dee 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:02 AM
> Subject: CS>Conundrum
> 
> I shone a laser through my distilled water and I got a distinct Tyndall 
> effect, just the same as I get through my finished CS.  Can anyone explain 
> this? If I shine it through tap water there is nothing...dee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
>> On 19/10/2014 5:36 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:
> 

Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[TJ Garland]

Absolutely not- for internal use.


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On Oct 18, 2014, at 7:58 PM, ASL raVen  wrote:

Are naturally purified spring water allowed for making C.S. with the C.S. 
machine?

Here is a map of natural and free springs in the USA ---
http://www.findaspring.com


RaVen 

Re: CS>Re: Conundrum

[ASL raVen]

Are naturally purified spring water allowed for making C.S. with the C.S.
machine?

Here is a map of natural and free springs in the USA ---
http://www.findaspring.com


RaVen

CS>Re: Conundrum

[Debra & David]

The answer is simple. Neither your tap water nor your distilled water is 
pure. Mains filtration plants are very good at removing particles, hence 
you will often see no laser line. On the other hand it probably still 
contains plenty of dissolved salts (invisible to a laser) so if you used 
a meter in the mains water you would get a significant reading.


If your distilled water is displaying a laser line it contains fine 
particles, so its either not distilled in the first place or its being 
contaminated after distilling. Unless your glass jar is obviously 
unclean its not likely to add significant particles to the water.


David




*From:* Dee 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:02 AM
*Subject:* CS>Conundrum

I shone a laser through my distilled water and I got a distinct Tyndall 
effect, just the same as I get through my finished CS.  Can anyone 
explain this? If I shine it through tap water there is nothing...dee


Sent from my iPad



On 19/10/2014 5:36 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: