CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others...
Greetings folks! Long time since I've had to wade into the list on this kind of mission! Thank you for that fact, and to the several members who gave me the heads-up so promptly. In catching up with the messages I was a bit surprised and disappointed to see the first intemperate remarks coming from Jason, of all people, in his too-vigorous rebuttal of Mike Monett's speculations about possible hazards of nebulizing CS. (Jason, if by chance the order of things in my mail program distorted the sequence of events and you feel there was some other provocation besides his nebulizing assertion, feel free to let me know.) I tend to agree that nebulizing has an excellent track record, and that Mike's statements were an example of unwarranted certituded by logic rather than empirical evidence: Much clinical AND anecdotal experience plus known information about the actual solubility of the supposedly insoluble silver compounds involved, lead me to doubt Mike's assertions. Here's the problem when folks with a lot of training, experience, and/or expertise with overlapping but not congruent competencies start stepping into each others' areas of interest and on each others' toes: The next thing you know we've got external genital appendages wagging around and egos engaged, and all progress goes out the window! Stop it! Now, Mike, I want to address you specifically: I think your specifications for the device are wonderfully crafted and your intention of releasing it to the public domain and seeking its widespread use by the neediest are an exquisite example of the merging of responsible engineering and activism. Thank you, it's a good plan. But keep in mind that the universe and the powers that be will be more than happy to sabotage such humane intentions and the first place it will try to do this is within you... Want to collaborate successfully with folks from this group? Use our forum to help promote your project? Great! You're welcome. DON'T, however, let yourself succumb to the temptation to engage with both fists the moment somebody steps on your toes. People WILL disagree on things, including things you hold dear. Let them. The truth will carry the day, for or against your ideas. That's as it should be. Your nastiness to David A. was uncalled for and unprovoked. He's well within the charter of the group, and you're not the referee of what's appropriate, nor are you in a competent position to judge the circumstances he is dealing with. Be supportive or leave it be. Jonathan effectively raised the same reasonable questions about nebulizing peroxide that you are concerned with -- without the ad- hominem that sabotages your credibility and effectiveness. Take his example to heart. All right, I used all the big words I could think of, just to make sure all you experts could 'grok' what I'm saying. grin Let's see if we can actually stay on target and stop chaos from winning, just this once, okay? Peace, Mike D. List owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others...
Hi Mike: After three emails of personal insults from Mike, long before the nebulizer issue, I simply got tired of the escalating language. If you start with this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg142456.html ...and follow it from there, I'm sure you'll see what I mean. There are things that some people say that need to be challenged, for the betterment of all, and I believe I did it in a very respectful and civil way, especially since nobody else seemed to pay much attention. That third set of insults and I'd had enough. Even then, I think my email was very responsible. If I can't tell someone in a stern polite voice that I don't appreciate being personally insulted, and that I'm done with the situation, I'm not sure what you'd expect me to do. If you look at the comments he made to Jonathan and David, they are not only equally unjustified, but very bullying. I don't like bullies, and I don't tolerate bullying, even when the school principal isn't looking. Please take a few moments and review Mike's posts for the last two days. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 15:31 Subject: CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others... Greetings folks! Long time since I've had to wade into the list on this kind of mission! Thank you for that fact, and to the several members who gave me the heads-up so promptly. In catching up with the messages I was a bit surprised and disappointed to see the first intemperate remarks coming from Jason, of all people, in his too-vigorous rebuttal of Mike Monett's speculations about possible hazards of nebulizing CS. (Jason, if by chance the order of things in my mail program distorted the sequence of events and you feel there was some other provocation besides his nebulizing assertion, feel free to let me know.) I tend to agree that nebulizing has an excellent track record, and that Mike's statements were an example of unwarranted certituded by logic rather than empirical evidence: Much clinical AND anecdotal experience plus known information about the actual solubility of the supposedly insoluble silver compounds involved, lead me to doubt Mike's assertions. Here's the problem when folks with a lot of training, experience, and/or expertise with overlapping but not congruent competencies start stepping into each others' areas of interest and on each others' toes: The next thing you know we've got external genital appendages wagging around and egos engaged, and all progress goes out the window! Stop it! Now, Mike, I want to address you specifically: I think your specifications for the device are wonderfully crafted and your intention of releasing it to the public domain and seeking its widespread use by the neediest are an exquisite example of the merging of responsible engineering and activism. Thank you, it's a good plan. But keep in mind that the universe and the powers that be will be more than happy to sabotage such humane intentions and the first place it will try to do this is within you... Want to collaborate successfully with folks from this group? Use our forum to help promote your project? Great! You're welcome. DON'T, however, let yourself succumb to the temptation to engage with both fists the moment somebody steps on your toes. People WILL disagree on things, including things you hold dear. Let them. The truth will carry the day, for or against your ideas. That's as it should be. Your nastiness to David A. was uncalled for and unprovoked. He's well within the charter of the group, and you're not the referee of what's appropriate, nor are you in a competent position to judge the circumstances he is dealing with. Be supportive or leave it be. Jonathan effectively raised the same reasonable questions about nebulizing peroxide that you are concerned with -- without the ad- hominem that sabotages your credibility and effectiveness. Take his example to heart. All right, I used all the big words I could think of, just to make sure all you experts could 'grok' what I'm saying. grin Let's see if we can actually stay on target and stop chaos from winning, just this once, okay? Peace, Mike D. List owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others...
Dear Jason, Thanks for the response... After three emails of personal insults from Mike, long before the nebulizer issue, I simply got tired of the escalating language. I counted this message as the first one with (mildly) intemperate language... http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg142564.html Are you saying you took the previous 2 or 3 messages from Mike in that thread to be... condescending, shall we say? Okay, then I can see how you might feel the response in your message above was provoked. It's just that you'd handled the previous exchanges in the thread so graciously I guess I missed the sound of gritted teeth. sigh If I can't tell someone in a stern polite voice that I don't appreciate being personally insulted, and that I'm done with the situation, I'm not sure what you'd expect me to do. I think by the time you got to this message, you had ample justification, if it's the one you're talking about... http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg142579.html If you look at the comments he made to Jonathan and David, they are not only equally unjustified, but very bullying. Agreed. I don't like bullies, and I don't tolerate bullying, even when the school principal isn't looking. Please take a few moments and review Mike's posts for the last two days. Done, believe me. Thanks for helping me understand. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
