Re: CS>[List Owner] Don't Go? How 'bout don't argue?
Mike , you should be a diplomat !!! Really ! On 28/01/2012, at 16:20, M. G. Devour wrote: Hi folks, Thought I'd step in here before things deteriorated. Thanks to the couple of you who gave me a heads-up on the situation. D. Glover, First, I think you've mis-connected two different folks. Neville, with whom you seem to have a disagreement, is NOT the fellow who mentioned the meter that he sells. That's Trem Williams, a seasoned member of the list and one of the very small handful of manufacturers of CS generators who has proven over the years to be temperamentally suited to long-term participation in our group. He shares what he knows without undue self-promotion, and his input is *always* welcome. Neville doesn't sell anything as far as I know. He's just a "punter", as he describes it, like most of us on the list. The point he was making is that our interests here tend to gravitate towards a simpler, home-user approach that does not demand the strict reproduceability or demanding production standards that hospital use would. I make my CS on the kitchen table in a quart canning jar, and it works just fine, thank you! I've had to crack the whip over Neville once or twice in the past for his less-than-diplomatic approach, and this may be the latest occasion for me to do just that. but I think it could be very valuable to you to realize that for the people on this list, in terms of the consensus of nearly a decade and a half of experience and study, a couple of the things you have taken to be true are not applicable to the kind of CS preparation we are talking about here. Our more technically inclined members have, over time, gravitated towards a lower current density for production than you're using -- high surface area, low current, longer brew time. The result, i.e., what Neville is labelling as "properly made" CS, does NOT require storage in the dark, appears to NOT be effected by magnets, remains stable for months and even years (after a couple of days to stabilize its composition), and has proven for hundreds of users to be perfectly effective and functional. And if you inquire, I'm sure one or more of our resident experts will share their best understanding of exactly what it is that's made by this process and why it appears to be stable and effective. Admittedly, given the state of public- and corporate-funded research in this world, the CS we make is not anywhere near as well characterized or it's activitiy as fully understood as we'd all like, but I'm sure that's a situation with which you are *very* familiar. We have some pretty good guesses, though, as you will find if you ask. Neville? Please don't impute motives to Mr. Glover that obviously don't apply. He's not selling anything and does not intend to mislead anybody. And your tone can be enough to get anybody's "back up", so don't take that as further "proof" of said ulterior motives. Meanwhile, Mr. Glover, please understand that an important PART of the mission of this list is to encourage new folks to make and use their own CS, and that the extra effort you expend in your production process would only serve to discourage the average new person from even attempting it. While I appreciate and respect the virtues of the generator design you've developed, I'd rather a hundred folks make it in a jar on the kitchen counter than only one of them surviving to implement the level of production controls that you have. Once they've got something that works, they can always improve things later, right? As for the list mission, it most certainly includes anything you'd care to share with us as to clinical applications and results you've managed to facilitate. That kind of experience is priceless, and I wish you the best of success in your efforts. So, can we declare a truce and perhaps initiate a new process of mining the brain trust here, for everyone's benefit? Peace, Mike D. Silver List owner 'Should we let this die a natural death now?' You say. Understand this; (you don't seem to be able to understand this point which I have already made) a guy asked about uS readings, and he did not even refer to the meter you sell at all, which I never even knew existed either, so you have no cause to feel personally vilified in some way by my advice to that gentleman concerning TDS meters. Rightly, you should have written directly to educate firstly that man who asked that question by letting him, and everyone else via your communication to him, that you produce a different type of meter that you believe can resolve his problem, then you could have recommended your product to him, if that is something that is acceptable on this forum, but that is what you did in a devious and thoroughly unpleasant and round about manner anyway after you attacked my understanding and methodology of making silver sol, and you are trying to sell something here, not me, you are the person with commercial p
Re: CS>[List Owner] Don't Go? How 'bout don't argue?
In a message dated 1/28/2012 10:15:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mdev...@eskimo.com writes:
So, can we declare a truce and perhaps initiate a new process of mining
the brain trust here, for everyone's benefit?
Peace,
Mike D.
Silver List owner
Hi Mike, & once again--one more reason why I love you !!!When things
get a bit "sparky" I just quit reading the posts..{.Always do wonder if I'm
missing something good but dats ok} & One more time---THANKS, Lois
CS>[List Owner] Don't Go? How 'bout don't argue?
Hi folks, Thought I'd step in here before things deteriorated. Thanks to the couple of you who gave me a heads-up on the situation. D. Glover, First, I think you've mis-connected two different folks. Neville, with whom you seem to have a disagreement, is NOT the fellow who mentioned the meter that he sells. That's Trem Williams, a seasoned member of the list and one of the very small handful of manufacturers of CS generators who has proven over the years to be temperamentally suited to long-term participation in our group. He shares what he knows without undue self-promotion, and his input is *always* welcome. Neville doesn't sell anything as far as I know. He's just a "punter", as he describes it, like most of us on the list. The point he was making is that our interests here tend to gravitate towards a simpler, home-user approach that does not demand the strict reproduceability or demanding production standards that hospital use would. I make my CS on the kitchen table in a quart canning jar, and it works just fine, thank you! I've had to crack the whip over Neville once or twice in the past for his less-than-diplomatic approach, and this may be the latest occasion for me to do just that. but I think it could be very valuable to you to realize that for the people on this list, in terms of the consensus of nearly a decade and a half of experience and study, a couple of the things you have taken to be true are not applicable to the kind of CS preparation we are talking about here. Our more technically inclined members have, over time, gravitated towards a lower current density for production than you're using -- high surface area, low current, longer brew time. The result, i.e., what Neville is labelling as "properly made" CS, does NOT require storage in the dark, appears to NOT be effected by magnets, remains stable for months and even years (after a couple of days to stabilize its composition), and has proven for hundreds of users to be perfectly effective and functional. And if you inquire, I'm sure one or more of our resident experts will share their best understanding of exactly what it is that's made by this process and why it appears to be stable and effective. Admittedly, given the state of public- and corporate-funded research in this world, the CS we make is not anywhere near as well characterized or it's activitiy as fully understood as we'd all like, but I'm sure that's a situation with which you are *very* familiar. We have some pretty good guesses, though, as you will find if you ask. Neville? Please don't impute motives to Mr. Glover that obviously don't apply. He's not selling anything and does not intend to mislead anybody. And your tone can be enough to get anybody's "back up", so don't take that as further "proof" of said ulterior motives. Meanwhile, Mr. Glover, please understand that an important PART of the mission of this list is to encourage new folks to make and use their own CS, and that the extra effort you expend in your production process would only serve to discourage the average new person from even attempting it. While I appreciate and respect the virtues of the generator design you've developed, I'd rather a hundred folks make it in a jar on the kitchen counter than only one of them surviving to implement the level of production controls that you have. Once they've got something that works, they can always improve things later, right? As for the list mission, it most certainly includes anything you'd care to share with us as to clinical applications and results you've managed to facilitate. That kind of experience is priceless, and I wish you the best of success in your efforts. So, can we declare a truce and perhaps initiate a new process of mining the brain trust here, for everyone's benefit? Peace, Mike D. Silver List owner > 'Should we let this die a natural death now?' You say. Understand > this; (you don't seem to be able to understand this point which I have > already made) a guy asked about uS readings, and he did not even refer > to the meter you sell at all, which I never even knew existed either, so > you have no cause to feel personally vilified in some way by my advice > to that gentleman concerning TDS meters. Rightly, you should have > written directly to educate firstly that man who asked that question by > letting him, and everyone else via your communication to him, that you > produce a different type of meter that you believe can resolve his > problem, then you could have recommended your product to him, if that is > something that is acceptable on this forum, but that is what you did in > a devious and thoroughly unpleasant and round about manner anyway after > you attacked my understanding and methodology of making silver sol, and > you are trying to sell something here, not me, you are the person with > commercial products for sale, not me. > > The guy asking the question was not even tal
