Hi folks, Thought I'd step in here before things deteriorated. Thanks to the couple of you who gave me a heads-up on the situation.
D. Glover, First, I think you've mis-connected two different folks. Neville, with whom you seem to have a disagreement, is NOT the fellow who mentioned the meter that he sells. That's Trem Williams, a seasoned member of the list and one of the very small handful of manufacturers of CS generators who has proven over the years to be temperamentally suited to long-term participation in our group. He shares what he knows without undue self-promotion, and his input is *always* welcome. Neville doesn't sell anything as far as I know. He's just a "punter", as he describes it, like most of us on the list. <grin> The point he was making is that our interests here tend to gravitate towards a simpler, home-user approach that does not demand the strict reproduceability or demanding production standards that hospital use would. I make my CS on the kitchen table in a quart canning jar, and it works just fine, thank you! I've had to crack the whip over Neville once or twice in the past for his less-than-diplomatic approach, and this may be the latest occasion for me to do just that. but I think it could be very valuable to you to realize that for the people on this list, in terms of the consensus of nearly a decade and a half of experience and study, a couple of the things you have taken to be true are not applicable to the kind of CS preparation we are talking about here. Our more technically inclined members have, over time, gravitated towards a lower current density for production than you're using -- high surface area, low current, longer brew time. The result, i.e., what Neville is labelling as "properly made" CS, does NOT require storage in the dark, appears to NOT be effected by magnets, remains stable for months and even years (after a couple of days to stabilize its composition), and has proven for hundreds of users to be perfectly effective and functional. And if you inquire, I'm sure one or more of our resident experts will share their best understanding of exactly what it is that's made by this process and why it appears to be stable and effective. Admittedly, given the state of public- and corporate-funded research in this world, the CS we make is not anywhere near as well characterized or it's activitiy as fully understood as we'd all like, but I'm sure that's a situation with which you are *very* familiar. We have some pretty good guesses, though, as you will find if you ask. Neville? Please don't impute motives to Mr. Glover that obviously don't apply. He's not selling anything and does not intend to mislead anybody. And your tone can be enough to get anybody's "back up", so don't take that as further "proof" of said ulterior motives. Meanwhile, Mr. Glover, please understand that an important PART of the mission of this list is to encourage new folks to make and use their own CS, and that the extra effort you expend in your production process would only serve to discourage the average new person from even attempting it. While I appreciate and respect the virtues of the generator design you've developed, I'd rather a hundred folks make it in a jar on the kitchen counter than only one of them surviving to implement the level of production controls that you have. Once they've got something that works, they can always improve things later, right? As for the list mission, it most certainly includes anything you'd care to share with us as to clinical applications and results you've managed to facilitate. That kind of experience is priceless, and I wish you the best of success in your efforts. So, can we declare a truce and perhaps initiate a new process of mining the brain trust here, for everyone's benefit? Peace, Mike D. Silver List owner > 'Should we let this die a natural death now?' You say. Understand > this; (you don't seem to be able to understand this point which I have > already made) a guy asked about uS readings, and he did not even refer > to the meter you sell at all, which I never even knew existed either, so > you have no cause to feel personally vilified in some way by my advice > to that gentleman concerning TDS meters. Rightly, you should have > written directly to educate firstly that man who asked that question by > letting him, and everyone else via your communication to him, that you > produce a different type of meter that you believe can resolve his > problem, then you could have recommended your product to him, if that is > something that is acceptable on this forum, but that is what you did in > a devious and thoroughly unpleasant and round about manner anyway after > you attacked my understanding and methodology of making silver sol, and > you are trying to sell something here, not me, you are the person with > commercial products for sale, not me. > > The guy asking the question was not even talking about the type of meter > you were selling anyway, but a TDS meter, and I was right in what I said > in reply to him, in referring to the poor type of results he would be > likely to get by attempting to measure silver sol ppm with his TDS > meter. You have serious anger management issues because you are one > irrationally and thoroughly misdirected angry man. Who will you pick on > next that is not even posting about you, or to you, or about your > products? What sort of 'death' were you thinking of, and of what > exactly? I had stopped responding totally to this issue, and here you > are again, drumming up a small army of people that you have grossly > mislead with your whining, so that I am very sadly once more obliged to > respond to your continued drivel. You are absolutely sickeningly > pathetic in that you have shamelessly manipulated these people. They > really have no idea of the truth of the matter. So far I have been > falsely accused of trying to mislead people into giving up producing > their own silver sol, and more. You have to be seriously nuts to come up > with rubbish like that, that is just hate filled twisted jealousy. > Your right to 'speak up' extended only to politely offering what you > believe to be a superior and different product to a TDS meter, and to > the gentleman posting that specific question about how to extrapolate > ppm values from uS values. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>
