CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...
Just to remind everybody of a few things... Karen wrote: > I see nothing wrong with the post [about swine flue as evil plot], magnets > have nothing to do with CS either but no one has said anything about > those... Yes, I allow, even encourage, other health-related questions to be asked and answers given, so long as anything not CS-related gets covered more briefly. Magnets are okay, so long as they don't stick around too long. Why be so loose with the topic? Because we always have and always will *get* those kinds of questions anyway, and a *lot* of good help and useful information usually results. I've been criticized for this by some people, but I think it contributes a great deal to the group's sense of community. > This is an important topic, and whether or not it is true will be seen > in the next few months, there is no reason to ever be rude. Indeed, there is never reason to be rude. Rense is generally thought of as a fairly speculative information source -- some would characterize him as fringe -- but I would not have jumped on Paula for posting this and other such links OCCASIONALLY, as long as everybody understands that any discussion of the controversial aspects of them are carried out on the OT list. The difference between Paula's message and, for instance, Aaron's comments that I remarked on just yesterday, was that Paula was only giving a brief description of the content, and not a lengthy discourse or speculation. Part of the diversity that I expect everyone to tolerate is that some folks here believe things that you find a bit of a stretch... sorta like how your snotty brother-in-law (or pick your other favorite annoying person) thinks about *YOU* and that stupid colloidal silver stuff that you're always prattling on about... We know that not everything we're reading, mainstream or alternative, is true or paints a complete picture. We're all adults capable of discernment. I'm willing to allow a bit of... variety, so long as discussion of politics and other controversy stays strictly limited on the main list. I would appreciate if you all refrain from publicly correcting each other's behavior (playing list cop). I'm the one that should do that. I will either make public posts like this one, or I'll talk quietly to the individuals involved off-list. If I'm doing the latter you won't know it, and your efforts to police things will only cause hard feelings and disruption. In the future, please contact me directly if you see anything you think should not be going on. Thanks for your efforts to resolve the disagreement. Be well! Mike Devour silver-list owner Paula posted... > >>> According to this article the flu is likely to mutate into more and > >>> more deadlier strains. Talks about coming martial law in the months > >>> ahead. Says this is all part of the endgame of culling population > >>> etc. Paula > >>> > >>> http://www.rense.com/general85/swine.htm Kathryn (Clayton Family) retaliated: > >> This is just so much crap! > >> > >> I wish you would post this to the off topic list, and quit polluting > >> this one with this kind of fearmongering nonsense. Indi joined in: > > Yeah it is a bit much, that's for sure... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...
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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...
I think Kathryn meant this to go privately, but it went to the list by mistake. She makes good points I'd be glad to respond to. > Dear Mike, > > It's your list, so whatever rules you want you get. Yeah, for better or worse! > As a formerly trained scientist (even if I don't get to play in that > sand box anymore) this sort of fearmongering (culling the herd, etc) > really sets my last nerve on fire. I bet you meant "formally" trained! I spent 18 years as a research technician in the physical sciences. I can relate. Most of what passes for "information" on the 'net is unsupported speculation. A lot of it attempts to masquerade as "scientific" but doesn't come even close for anybody with a little training. Yet a lot of people are not knowledgable enough and will be scared by it. > There are so many worthwhile things that threaten us that focusing > attention on this sort of thing dilutes legitimate discussion. It > distracts attention that could rightly go to other really important > issues. Issues that we stand a real chance of protecting ourselves and > our families from if we have a head's up. Yep, and that gets right to crux of *my* decision process. Legitimate? It all boils down to, where should I draw that line? > Like whether or not the swine flu is a 1918 type of flu, for example. > Jury is still out on that. There are those interesting theories that aspirin, of all things, might have been responsible for many of the deaths in 1918. Folks killed their fevers, which would normally have slowed down the virus, which then proliferated and killed them. > That is just one small example. The economy and what we can be doing > right now to help protect ourselves; the list goes on and on. It gets tough to figure out what to do when you're not sure what's really happening. That leads to the endless back and forth over conspiracies and evil plots, versus stupiditiy and corruption, versus don't worry, be happy, everything's gonna be okay. Some of that is going to bleed into the discussion, no matter what we do. It's just a matter of keeping it small, overall. > I realize the irony of my having pointed attention to it instead of > letting it go. It would have just slipped under the radar if I had > not said anything, probably; or maybe it would have become yet another > round of crazy stuff. If it had done the latter, it'd have been a case of my neglect. What I want is for folks to not respond to the OT and marginal stuff, and give me a heads-up when you think things are getting too far astray. > Fine for somebody's sci-fi shelf, but for a what I had considered an > experimental science list? Read any of David Weber's stuff? Good sci-fi... Basically, my policy of prohibiting politics, except as it relates to colloidal silver and important alternative health issues, is my best effort to avoid having to arbitrarily decree what is and is not "legitimate" within the broad spectrum of beliefs that exist in our members. On occasion I'll ask somebody to tone it down a bit in deference to not scaring off newcomers, but it's mainly a matter of keeping the volume low enough overall that the more conventional tends to balance the farther out, and folks can choose what to listen to. I do that by trying to keep up with the discussion, which can be a challenge sometimes, and by watching my in-box for personal contacts from people with complaints or comments about what's going on. That's where you guys and gals can support my efforts. > Maybe because things are so uncertain Out There right now we are more > willing to suspend disbelief, and some of us (ie: me) are more on edge. > Sigh; like I need an edge to go over- "what edge- is there an edge > there (yhh..thunk)" . I went over that edge a long time ago, I'm afraid. It started with lies I learned I was being told by the mainstream media about specific issues I'd never looked at closely before. It progressed to recognizing the disfunctionality of much of our "system." Somewhere along the way, I found out there was a whole other world of opinions and beliefs that, while labelled "fringe" by agencies of the aforementioned mainstream system, exhibited every sign of being dangerously real, just like colloidal silver has turned out to be. (Dangerous, as in a hazard to my complacency...) So I guess you can say I'm more prepared to "suspend disbelief" about things I'd never have taken seriously before I went down the rabbit hole 10 or 15 years ago. I know there are fewer things I'm willing to say are impossible now than I would have in the beginning. > I'm happy you at least saw that I was trying to resolve it. Oh, yes. I am much happier when folks make the conscious decision to de- escalate and make things better. Thank you, thank you, thank you! > Best Wishes, > > Kathryn > > PS- If you think this is suitable for listreading, you can send it on. I think you took care of that just fine!
Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...
Dear Mike, It's your list, so whatever rules you want you get. As a formerly trained scientist (even if I don't get to play in that sand box anymore) this sort of fearmongering (culling the herd, etc) really sets my last nerve on fire. We are all way too dumb to even make that necessary. I am speaking of the human race here, nothing personal for anyone to take offense at. We may just all bomb ourselves into oblivion before anyone else has the chance to do any culling. My opinion. There are so many worthwhile things that threaten us that focusing attention on this sort of thing dilutes legitimate discussion. It distracts attention that could rightly go to other really important issues. Issues that we stand a real chance of protecting ourselves and our families from if we have a head's up. Like whether or not the swine flu is a 1918 type of flu, for example. Jury is still out on that. That is just one small example. The economy and what we can be doing right now to help protect ourselves; the list goes on and on. I realize the irony of my having pointed attention to it instead of letting it go. It would have just slipped under the radar if I had not said anything, probably; or maybe it would have become yet another round of crazy stuff. Fine for somebody's sci-fi shelf, but for a what I had considered an experimental science list? Maybe because things are so uncertain Out There right now we are more willing to suspend disbelief, and some of us (ie: me) are more on edge. Sigh; like I need an edge to go over- "what edge- is there an edge there (yhh..thunk)" . I'm happy you at least saw that I was trying to resolve it. Best Wishes, Kathryn PS- If you think this is suitable for listreading, you can send it on. On May 2, 2009, at 3:38 PM, M. G. Devour wrote: Just to remind everybody of a few things... Karen wrote: I see nothing wrong with the post [about swine flue as evil plot], magnets have nothing to do with CS either but no one has said anything about those... Yes, I allow, even encourage, other health-related questions to be asked and answers given, so long as anything not CS-related gets covered more briefly. Magnets are okay, so long as they don't stick around too long. Why be so loose with the topic? Because we always have and always will *get* those kinds of questions anyway, and a *lot* of good help and useful information usually results. I've been criticized for this by some people, but I think it contributes a great deal to the group's sense of community. This is an important topic, and whether or not it is true will be seen in the next few months, there is no reason to ever be rude. Indeed, there is never reason to be rude. Rense is generally thought of as a fairly speculative information source -- some would characterize him as fringe -- but I would not have jumped on Paula for posting this and other such links OCCASIONALLY, as long as everybody understands that any discussion of the controversial aspects of them are carried out on the OT list. The difference between Paula's message and, for instance, Aaron's comments that I remarked on just yesterday, was that Paula was only giving a brief description of the content, and not a lengthy discourse or speculation. Part of the diversity that I expect everyone to tolerate is that some folks here believe things that you find a bit of a stretch... sorta like how your snotty brother-in-law (or pick your other favorite annoying person) thinks about *YOU* and that stupid colloidal silver stuff that you're always prattling on about... We know that not everything we're reading, mainstream or alternative, is true or paints a complete picture. We're all adults capable of discernment. I'm willing to allow a bit of... variety, so long as discussion of politics and other controversy stays strictly limited on the main list. I would appreciate if you all refrain from publicly correcting each other's behavior (playing list cop). I'm the one that should do that. I will either make public posts like this one, or I'll talk quietly to the individuals involved off-list. If I'm doing the latter you won't know it, and your efforts to police things will only cause hard feelings and disruption. In the future, please contact me directly if you see anything you think should not be going on. Thanks for your efforts to resolve the disagreement. Be well! Mike Devour silver-list owner -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...
Regarding the swine flu issue: there are a few fine, thoughtful articles about the probable links to factory farming, which encourages extremely rapid viral mutation.Factory farming (or ranching I suppose) is a more plausible explanation for strange bird/pig viruses than weapons lab work, though the latter is hardly implausible. The facts as I read them don't provide any evidence of that, however. For a good read, see Wm. Engdahl's recent article, and also the excellent Johann Hari. I think both articles may be at informationclearinghouse.info.If not a Google search should turn both up quickly; they are very recent. Both mention the world's largest pig ranch, American owned, in Mexico, where the "flu" first emerged. Hari may well be right that our craving for cheap meat will lead to a devastating pandemic, and proper regulation is essential. The growth of these huge factories is quite recent, within the past 20 years, and can be done away with if only legislators would not sell out, as most do. On Sunday, May 3, 2009, at 14:17 Asia/Tokyo, Clayton Family wrote: Dear Mike, It's your list, so whatever rules you want you get. As a formerly trained scientist (even if I don't get to play in that sand box anymore) this sort of fearmongering (culling the herd, etc) really sets my last nerve on fire. We are all way too dumb to even make that necessary. I am speaking of the human race here, nothing personal for anyone to take offense at. We may just all bomb ourselves into oblivion before anyone else has the chance to do any culling. My opinion. There are so many worthwhile things that threaten us that focusing attention on this sort of thing dilutes legitimate discussion. It distracts attention that could rightly go to other really important issues. Issues that we stand a real chance of protecting ourselves and our families from if we have a head's up. Like whether or not the swine flu is a 1918 type of flu, for example. Jury is still out on that. That is just one small example. The economy and what we can be doing right now to help protect ourselves; the list goes on and on. I realize the irony of my having pointed attention to it instead of letting it go. It would have just slipped under the radar if I had not said anything, probably; or maybe it would have become yet another round of crazy stuff. Fine for somebody's sci-fi shelf, but for a what I had considered an experimental science list? Maybe because things are so uncertain Out There right now we are more willing to suspend disbelief, and some of us (ie: me) are more on edge. Sigh; like I need an edge to go over- "what edge- is there an edge there (yhh..thunk)" . I'm happy you at least saw that I was trying to resolve it. Best Wishes, Kathryn PS- If you think this is suitable for listreading, you can send it on. On May 2, 2009, at 3:38 PM, M. G. Devour wrote: Just to remind everybody of a few things... Karen wrote: I see nothing wrong with the post [about swine flue as evil plot], magnets have nothing to do with CS either but no one has said anything about those... Yes, I allow, even encourage, other health-related questions to be asked and answers given, so long as anything not CS-related gets covered more briefly. Magnets are okay, so long as they don't stick around too long. Why be so loose with the topic? Because we always have and always will *get* those kinds of questions anyway, and a *lot* of good help and useful information usually results. I've been criticized for this by some people, but I think it contributes a great deal to the group's sense of community. This is an important topic, and whether or not it is true will be seen in the next few months, there is no reason to ever be rude. Indeed, there is never reason to be rude. Rense is generally thought of as a fairly speculative information source -- some would characterize him as fringe -- but I would not have jumped on Paula for posting this and other such links OCCASIONALLY, as long as everybody understands that any discussion of the controversial aspects of them are carried out on the OT list. The difference between Paula's message and, for instance, Aaron's comments that I remarked on just yesterday, was that Paula was only giving a brief description of the content, and not a lengthy discourse or speculation. Part of the diversity that I expect everyone to tolerate is that some folks here believe things that you find a bit of a stretch... sorta like how your snotty brother-in-law (or pick your other favorite annoying person) thinks about *YOU* and that stupid colloidal silver stuff that you're always prattling on about... We know that not everything we're reading, mainstream or alternative, is true or paints a complete picture. We're all adults capable of discernment. I'm willing to allow a bit of... variety, so long as discussion of politics and other controversy stay
Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...
Hi Mike. I have been interested in the *aspirin theory* in all of the Swine Flu information I've read, and brought that theory to my husband's attention this morning. He said something to the effect that he couldn't see how a temperature of 102 or 103 in the human body could kill a virus, when it requires temps of 140 and up to kill pathogens in the food we eat. Wonder if someone here would have a good answer for him? Also, I loved your analogy to the "rabbit hole" you went down ten to fifteen years ago. I guess we've all gone down that rabbit hole, else we wouldn't be here on this list. Methinks said rabbit hole has many different tunnels, and it's easy (and sometimes confusing) exactly which tunnels are valid and which are metaphoric dead-ends. But one thing's for sure -- once down the rabbit hole, there's no going up it, is there? lol MA From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com There are those interesting theories that aspirin, of all things, might have been responsible for many of the deaths in 1918. Folks killed their fevers, which would normally have slowed down the virus, which then proliferated and killed them. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 05:56:42AM -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote: > >He said something to the effect that he couldn't >see how a temperature of 102 or 103 in the human body could kill a virus, >when it requires temps of 140 and up to kill pathogens in the food we >eat. Wonder if someone here would have a good answer for him? > Pathogens in food are usually bacterial, which generally can survive in a much broader range of temperatures than viruses. -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
