CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please!

[M. G. Devour]

Hi folks,

I need to referee a bit here... Please give me your attention a moment! 
Thank you.

Fuzzmom,

First off, stick around, ma'am. You're welcome and wanted here, and 
reasonable accomodation for your disabilities (hardware and software as 
well as physical!) is not too much to expect of the other members of 
the group. Given the volume of messages the group is seeing each day, 
you're doing a tremendous job keeping up with it at all!

By all means, get a cheap external keyboard to plug into the creaky old 
laptop, but rest assured that repeated criticism of your spelling and 
proofreading efforts will not be permitted.

To Dave and everyone else who has staked out a position in the Bone 
Spur and Rude Post threads:

Dave made a posting that, if you wanted to read it as considerate and 
reasonable, you ... could if you tried! 

If you wanted to read it as rude and insensitive, it'd be pretty easy 
to do... 

It was positively ... ambiguous.

What that says, Dave, is that your writing was not skillfully enough 
done to communicate your precise intentions, lacking tone of voice, 
body language, and all the other nuances of voice or face-to-face 
communications in this text-only medium. You may have meant to sound 
reasonable and polite, but your words didn't guarantee that reception.

Add to that, you stumbled into the serious error of criticizing or 
attempting to correct someone that many of us *DO* remember is coping 
with the challenges of visual impairment. It'd be a stretch to *expect* 
you to remember the following from Fuzzmom's first post to the group:  

On July 12, 2009, Fuzzmom wrote:
> ... I am visually impaired..print books don't work for me..so all
> research is done via braille coputer and internet..and there's a lot of
> conflicting info out there. Thanks and look forward to eeting
> everyone!! 

... but that's the reality you stumbled into!

I'd suggest, Dave, a valuable lesson to be gained from this situation: 
When you proofread your OWN writing, imagine the WORST possible 
interpretation and write it out of your wording; when reading somebody 
else's writing, imagine the BEST possible intentions or interpretation 
and respond to that... 

If you'd done that, you'd have made yourself understood as you 
intended, or else not made the mistake of attempting to correct 
Fuzzmom's behavior in the first place, seeing it as harmless or 
assuming there was a good reason for it besides laziness or lack of 
consideration on her part.

Sasha interpreted Dave's post in a more negative light and called him 
on it. If he knew what he was doing (in terms of Fuzzmom's situation) 
and was being deliberately rude, then I'd certainly have had a similar 
response.

And lots more of ya piled on and chimed in... some being helpful, 
supportive -- or even hilarious -- and others expressing exasperation 
or defending one side or the other.

IMPORTANT QUESTIONS:

How much nicer could this have gone if, in the first place, Dave had 
written me a private note asking me if I could "do something" about 
Fuzzmom's posts, giving me a *chance* to explain the situation to him 
and sparing him and us the consequences of his faux pas?

What if Sasha had, similarly, limited herself to the heads-up she sent 
me privately and given me the *chance* to step in and referee the 
situation before correcting Dave publicly?

... And if the rest of you had flooded my in-box with messages rather 
than clogging the list with pages of responses and counter-responses?

I do realize that I'm offering the impression (and sometimes the 
reality) of being too busy to stay up-to-the-minute with the list, but 
if you give me the *chance* to do my job, we'll have a better chance 
that things will work out the way they're supposed to.

Which all boils down to a lesson we've learned quite a few times 
before, and that is manifest in List Rules and Etiquette, which can be 
found at:

   http://www.silverlist.org/Rules.htm  (Yes, the web site works!)

Specifically, under Courtesy Allways:

> Criticism of other list members' behavior or how the list is being run
> must be directed to me, the list owner, privately and not on the list.
> No List Cops! 

... and again under Prohibited Topics:

> I say again: Criticism of other list members' behavior or how the list
> is being run must be directed to the list owner, privately and not on
> the list. No List Cops!   

... and on the Etiquette page:

> All efforts at policing etiquette must themselves be handled with
> courtesy and respect, and almost always in private. If you feel you
> have to correct someone else's behavior, do not do it publicly. In
> general it's better to leave such things to me -- don't play list cop! 

> I will occasionally post a reminder or two on rules or etiquette items
> just to get the general list membership thinking about them again. If
> you think such a reminder is in order or have a specific complaint,
> send me your comments at mdev...@eskimo.com 

Do you all see

Re: CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please!

[ZZekelink]

 
In a message dated 10/11/2009 12:09:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mdev...@eskimo.com writes:

Hi  folks,

I need to referee a bit here... Please give me your attention a  moment! 
Thank you.




Hi Mike, after reading this post I sure am glad I used  the old delete 
button after I first saw the "rude" word !!
You sir,  are a Gem.. Thanks for being there, thanks for caring  
and thanks for this  group... Lois

Re: CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please!

[cking001]

Aw...
There was nothing else going on this weekend...

Chuck
Busy Day? Busy? I just spent four hours burying the cat.

On 10/11/2009 12:23:18 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/11/2009 12:09:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mdev...@eskimo.com writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I need to referee a bit here... Please give me your attention a moment!
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Mike, after reading this post I sure am glad I used the old delete
> button after I first saw the "rude" word !!
> You sir, are a Gem.. Thanks for being there, thanks for caring  and thanks
> for this group... Lois
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CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please!/NO 'SPURS'..?

[Dok Dallas]

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, cking...@nycap.rr.com  wrote:


From: cking...@nycap.rr.com 
Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please!
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:19 AM


Aw...
There was nothing else going on this weekend...

                    Chuck
Busy Day? Busy? I just spent four hours burying the cat.

## Mr. CAcTus (our CAT) was very-upset over this POST about burying a
CAT...and wanted me to remind everyone, 8-out-of-9 times it's premature!
(Chuck, the DEAD give way CLUE was taking "FOUR HOURS"...MEOW!)
 
Also, since I'm already here, might I offer a suggestion to ALL Wranglers,
that to avoid becoming involved in a Wild (LIST) 'STAMPEDE'...perhaps, a
slight (built-in) time-delay in grabbing HOT Branding IRON, might be wise. 
Personally...only go to read my pile-of-emails about once every 3~4 Days
and by then, well as you can-see-here, with this post...it's already COLD?
However, main Advantage Is Typically I Avoid being TRAMPLED in DUST!
 
Rx~Humor,
Dok Dallas
 
P.S. Where I'm from, it's EXTREMELY-RUDE to wear 'SPURS' to BED..!  
(Well I had to sort through 50+ postings to get to...Origin...of SPUR)
 
==

On 10/11/2009 12:23:18 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/11/2009 12:09:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mdev...@eskimo.com writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I need to referee a bit here... Please give me your attention a moment!
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Mike, after reading this post I sure am glad I used the old delete
> button after I first saw the "rude" word !!
> You sir, are a Gem.. Thanks for being there, thanks for caring  and thanks
> for this group... Lois
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CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please! And for John...

[M. G. Devour]

Allright youz guyz... settle down in here!

Please!

Specifically:

I will help Orv get himself switched to the digest. You can all stop 
having fun with the 'unscribe' mis-spelling.

Do you know that that spelling error is so common that the list server 
software is specifically designed to respond correctly to it? It's not 
in the least unusual, believe me. I see it every day.

Oh, and the thing about turkey basters... the original suggestion is 
quite good to know. The, ummm, response has run its course, i think. 


Second, and far more important: John and everyone who is sniping back 
and forth with him, please stop it now.

John has positioned himself as a target for these kinds of barbs, but 
the rest of you are not obligated to respond. In fact, just the 
opposite is true.

John, 

If you had been here for the last 13 years, seen and shared in the work 
that went into forming these silly opinions you find so incredible, you 
would perfectly understand the unity implied by the casual use of the 
word "we" in these discussions.

Where there is unity of opinion, there was work to back it up. Where 
there are opinions that diverge on a topic, we report them as well, to 
those who will listen. 

When one of our ideas departs from what you know to be true...

Do you approach the situation with an open mind, ask intelligent 
questions, and explore the reasons for it? 

Do you consider the possibility that this obscure, perhaps insular and 
eccentric little group might actually have discovered one or two 
original things worth knowing now, today, in the hundreds of person-
years of their shared experience?

Or do you dismiss us as a rabble of inferior minds who are beneath your 
dignity to show simple respect?

"We" feel justifiable pride in knowing the things that we've learned 
from each other over the years, and the newer folks who have taken the 
time to listen share in that knowledge.

"We" know at least the vague boundaries of our own ingnorance. What do 
we know that you don't?

I know that there isn't an abundance of easily accessible data here, 
ready to convince you. So, for the time being you have to learn by word 
of mouth (or keyboard), an oral tradition, rather than a proper 
scientific presentation.

Fine, that's less than optimal. I admit that freely -- but I claim that 
it would be worth it to you to make the effort.

It's your choice, sir. I have extended you my hospitality and would 
very much value the help you could give my other guests, were you to 
offer it with a humble and generous spirit. I need you to start 
appreciating what that can be worth to you, and to consistently behave 
as the gentleman, and friend, I know you would prefer to be. 

If that's not something you care to do, then it would be best for you 
not to waste further energy trying to save us from ourselves. It'd only 
lead to continued aggravation for all... Some remark about pig 
wrestling would be appropriate here, I suppose.

I await your thoughts.

Be well,

Mike D.
list owner, cat herder, and sometimes nanny...

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please!/NO 'SPURS'..?

[cking001]

Also...Don't squat with your spurs on.

Chuck
Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and
it holds the universe together.


On 10/11/2009 5:21:52 PM, Dok Dallas (dokdal...@yahoo.com) wrote:
>> 
> P.S. Where I'm
> from, it's EXTREMELY-RUDE to wear 'SPURS' to BED..!
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Re: CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please! And for John...

[John E. Stevens]

Hey, Mike:

There are some folks on the list that have admirable knowledge and those
folks I respect and read carefully for their ideas are good and helpful.
That's not everyone on the list.  There are some folks who clamor out
opinions which I think can be dangerous, especially to new-comers. The proof
has always been in the pudding for me - the living experience - not just in
the words of someone I don't really know.
I've been involved with natural health as a health consultant for over
thirty-five years and I've used CSW for over ten years - maybe longer.  I
find CSW to be very helpful in many ways.  I don't find any of the opinions
silly as you've mentioned.  But I've sent and forwarded some e-mails that
have creditable info that have been mocked nastily by some in your group -
but you forgot to address that.  That does get my ire up at times.
I've used CSW in conjunction with other protocols and have helped folks to
beat their cancer, not only once, but many times.  And with many different
types of cancer.  And I've dealt successfully with many other diseases with
various protocols, for many folks, too.  You must think the list's
hammerings are justified for you haven't addressed much of it before now -
except with me.  I don't mind being at the brunt of your "we-isms."  It's
really never phased me in the past - only I can rebel periodically when it
gets a little too much "groupie" for me.
I'll see how it goes.  If the fire starts, again, with your "groupies," I
may seek out - because there are many folks that know about the power of CSW
outside the list...

John

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 PM, M. G. Devour  wrote:

> Allright youz guyz... settle down in here!
>
> Please!
>
> Specifically:
>
> I will help Orv get himself switched to the digest. You can all stop
> having fun with the 'unscribe' mis-spelling.
>
> Do you know that that spelling error is so common that the list server
> software is specifically designed to respond correctly to it? It's not
> in the least unusual, believe me. I see it every day.
>
> Oh, and the thing about turkey basters... the original suggestion is
> quite good to know. The, ummm, response has run its course, i think.
> 
>
> Second, and far more important: John and everyone who is sniping back
> and forth with him, please stop it now.
>
> John has positioned himself as a target for these kinds of barbs, but
> the rest of you are not obligated to respond. In fact, just the
> opposite is true.
>
> John,
>
> If you had been here for the last 13 years, seen and shared in the work
> that went into forming these silly opinions you find so incredible, you
> would perfectly understand the unity implied by the casual use of the
> word "we" in these discussions.
>
> Where there is unity of opinion, there was work to back it up. Where
> there are opinions that diverge on a topic, we report them as well, to
> those who will listen.
>
> When one of our ideas departs from what you know to be true...
>
> Do you approach the situation with an open mind, ask intelligent
> questions, and explore the reasons for it?
>
> Do you consider the possibility that this obscure, perhaps insular and
> eccentric little group might actually have discovered one or two
> original things worth knowing now, today, in the hundreds of person-
> years of their shared experience?
>
> Or do you dismiss us as a rabble of inferior minds who are beneath your
> dignity to show simple respect?
>
> "We" feel justifiable pride in knowing the things that we've learned
> from each other over the years, and the newer folks who have taken the
> time to listen share in that knowledge.
>
> "We" know at least the vague boundaries of our own ingnorance. What do
> we know that you don't?
>
> I know that there isn't an abundance of easily accessible data here,
> ready to convince you. So, for the time being you have to learn by word
> of mouth (or keyboard), an oral tradition, rather than a proper
> scientific presentation.
>
> Fine, that's less than optimal. I admit that freely -- but I claim that
> it would be worth it to you to make the effort.
>
> It's your choice, sir. I have extended you my hospitality and would
> very much value the help you could give my other guests, were you to
> offer it with a humble and generous spirit. I need you to start
> appreciating what that can be worth to you, and to consistently behave
> as the gentleman, and friend, I know you would prefer to be.
>
> If that's not something you care to do, then it would be best for you
> not to waste further energy trying to save us from ourselves. It'd only
> lead to continued aggravation for all... Some remark about pig
> wrestling would be appropriate here, I suppose.
>
> I await your thoughts.
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
> list owner, cat herder, and sometimes nanny...
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
>
>
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Re: CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please! And for John...

[John E. Stevens]

I'm laughing, Chuck...

John

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:17 PM,  wrote:

> Mike
> You have perfected the knack of killjoy...
>
>Chuck
> The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table
> had an argument going.
> George Carlin
>
> On 2/17/2010 1:56:48 PM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote:
> > Allright youz guyz... settle down in here!
> >
> > Please!
> >
> > Specifically:
> >
> > I will help Orv get himself switched to the digest. You can all stop
> > having fun with the 'unscribe' mis-spelling.
> >
> > Do you know that that spelling error is so common that the list server
> > software is specifically designed to respond correctly to it?
> > It's not
> > in the least unusual, believe me. I see it every day.
> >
> > Oh, and the thing about turkey basters... the original suggestion is
> > quite good to know. The, ummm, response has run its course, i think.
> > 
> >
> > Second, and far more important: John and everyone who is sniping back
> > and forth with him, please stop it now.
> >
> > John has positioned himself as a target for these kinds of barbs, but
> > the rest of you are not obligated to respond. In fact, just the
> > opposite is true.
> >
> > John,
> >
> > If you had been here for the last 13 years, seen and shared in the work
> > that went into forming these silly opinions you find so incredible, you
> > would perfectly understand the unity implied by the casual use of the
> > word "we" in these discussions.
> >
> > Where there is unity of opinion, there was wor
>
>
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Re: CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please! And for John...

[mborgert]

Dear John,
I have been on this list for 10 yrs. and I do not know what the "w" stands for in csw
Thank you
Mary
-- Original message from "John E. Stevens" : -- Hey, Mike:There are some folks on the list that have admirable knowledge and those folks I respect and read carefully for their ideas are good and helpful.  That's not everyone on the list.  There are some folks who clamor out opinions which I think can be dangerous, especially to new-comers. The proof has always been in the pudding for me - the living experience - not just in the words of someone I don't really know.I've been involved with natural health as a health consultant for over thirty-five years and I've used CSW for over ten years - maybe longer.  I find CSW to be very helpful in many ways.  I don't find any of the opinions silly as you've mentioned.  But I've sent and forwarded some e-mails that have creditable info that have been mocked nastily by some in your group - but you forgot to address that.  That does get my ire up at times.  I've used CSW in conjunction with other protocols and have helped folks to beat their cancer, not only once, but many times.  And with many different types of cancer.  And I've dealt successfully with many other diseases with various protocols, for many folks, too.  You must think the list's hammerings are justified for you haven't addressed much of it before now - except with me.  I don't mind being at the brunt of your "we-isms."  It's really never phased me in the past - only I can rebel periodically when it gets a little too much "groupie" for me.  I'll see how it goes.  If the fire starts, again, with your "groupies," I may seek out - because there are many folks that know about the power of CSW outside the list... John     
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 PM, M. G. Devour  wrote:
Allright youz guyz... settle down in here!Please!Specifically:I will help Orv get himself switched to the digest. You can all stophaving fun with the 'unscribe' mis-spelling.Do you know that that spelling error is so common that the list serversoftware is specifically designed to respond correctly to it? It's notin the least unusual, believe me. I see it every day.Oh, and the thing about turkey basters... the original suggestion isquite good to know. The, ummm, response has run its course, i think.Second, and far more important: John and everyone who is sniping backand forth with him, please stop it now.John has positioned himself as a target for these kinds of barbs, butthe rest of you are not obligated to respond. In fact, just theopposite is true.John,If you had been here for the last 13 years, seen and shared in the workthat went into forming these silly opinions you find so incredible, youwould perfectly understand the unity implied by the casual use of theword "we" in these discussions.Where there is unity of opinion, there was work to back it up. Wherethere are opinions that diverge on a topic, we report them as well, tothose who will listen.When one of our ideas departs from what you know to be true...Do you approach the situation with an open mind, ask intelligentquestions, and explore the reasons for it?Do you consider the possibility that this obscure, perhaps insular andeccentric little group might actually have discovered one or twooriginal things worth knowing now, today, in the hundreds of person-years of their shared experience?Or do you dismiss us as a rabble of inferior minds who are beneath yourdignity to show simple respect?"We" feel justifiable pride in knowing the things that we've learnedfrom each other over the years, and the newer folks who have taken thetime to listen share in that knowledge."We" know at least the vague boundaries of our own ingnorance. What dowe know that you don't?I know that there isn't an abundance of easily accessible data here,ready to convince you. So, for the time being you have to learn by wordof mouth (or keyboard), an oral tradition, rather than a properscientific presentation.Fine, that's less than optimal. I admit that freely -- but I claim thatit would be worth it to you to make the effort.It's your choice, sir. I have extended you my hospitality and wouldvery much value the help you could give my other guests, were you tooffer it with a humble and generous spirit. I need you to startappreciating what that can be worth to you, and to consistently behaveas the gentleman, and friend, I know you would prefer to be.If that's not something you care to do, then it would be best for younot to waste further energy trying to save us from ourselves. It'd onlylead to continued aggravation for all... Some remark about pigwrestling would be appropriate here, I suppose.I await your thoughts.Be well,Mike D.list owner, cat herder, and sometimes nanny...[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian][mdev...@eskimo.com                        ][Speaking only for myself...               ]--The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Coll

Re: CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please! And for John...

[M. G. Devour]

> Mike
> You have perfected the knack of killjoy...
> 
>   Chuck

Which is why I keep *you* around, Chuck!!!



M.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Settle down, please! And for John...

[cking001]

Mike
You have perfected the knack of killjoy...

Chuck
The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table
had an argument going.
George Carlin

On 2/17/2010 1:56:48 PM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote:
> Allright youz guyz... settle down in here!
> 
> Please!
> 
> Specifically:
> 
> I will help Orv get himself switched to the digest. You can all stop
> having fun with the 'unscribe' mis-spelling.
> 
> Do you know that that spelling error is so common that the list server
> software is specifically designed to respond correctly to it?
> It's not
> in the least unusual, believe me. I see it every day.
> 
> Oh, and the thing about turkey basters... the original suggestion is
> quite good to know. The, ummm, response has run its course, i think.
> 
> 
> Second, and far more important: John and everyone who is sniping back
> and forth with him, please stop it now.
> 
> John has positioned himself as a target for these kinds of barbs, but
> the rest of you are not obligated to respond. In fact, just the
> opposite is true.
> 
> John,
> 
> If you had been here for the last 13 years, seen and shared in the work
> that went into forming these silly opinions you find so incredible, you
> would perfectly understand the unity implied by the casual use of the
> word "we" in these discussions.
> 
> Where there is unity of opinion, there was wor


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