Re: CS Cystic Fibrosis
On 27 Jun 98 at 14:14, Joyce Inouye wrote: I think it would be a great idea to collect complementary information and to start identifying the best silver on the market. This would include complementary natural products which have proven to have a high success rate for various diseased states (perhaps over 25% success rate within 2 to 4 months??). If the site were a non-profit, then all money earned can go into buying the products we advocate for those who are sick (since insurance companies do not pay for natural cures.) People like Daemon decide who needs the products most. We can create a form which would be easy to fill out--listing all the critical information--brand name of silver, particulate size, diseases silver is reported to be effective against, etc. This may work if we can figure out a way to check the accuracy of the data, and to check for variables such as nutritional supplements. For example, a friend had a horrible infection in her lower legs which she contracted during a knee cap replacement in the hospital. For the last 3 years or so, the doctors were not able to get rid of it. When I gave her a noni cream to put on it, the leg began to heal quite rapidly--the swelling went down and the black skin color lightened. When her doctor saw her leg, he said, It's a good cream. (meaning the drug he had given her). My friend answered Yes. I asked my friend why hadn't she told the doctor the truth about the noni cream, and she said Because they get mad when I tell them. Is there any one out there with a lot of time who could help coordinate such a project? We would need some technical people, some medical people, some web page designers, perhaps a statistician, etc. :) Joyce On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, M. G. Devour wrote: Dameon is giving us some great insights into his treatment and experience. He's put together of a *lot* of different things which are helping him survive the disease. Thank you, sir! For the rest of us, I think we should try to become as well informed as we can, so we are able, like Dameon, to assemble a complement of tecniques to sustain our health or solve our health problems. CS is a useful component for such a regimen and a versitile tool. We need to continue to build our understanding of CS. That's what this group's for. There seems to be an on-going debate about which silver is the best. I know this: Concentration and penetration are key: If the particles are smaller, they'll get into more places and be more affective. The WaterOz product has obviously been effective for Dameon. When he first made contact with us, I was skeptical of it because of the high concentration claimed. This attitude comes from the baseless claims *some* vendors make, and simply *not* having the facilities to test and compare and categorize all the different products that are competing for our attention. I want to be able to *know* the particle size and concentration of a product, and have some way to objectively measure the effectiveness of a preparation. Without that, although we might know from Dameon's experience that WaterOz works, we won't know what *other* preparations might work, and most importantly, we won't know *why*. I'd like to resist the temptation to classify any one product as *best*, since different features are better in different situations. For some, cost might be more critical than a certain degree of effectiveness, particularly when dealing with less demanding conditions. For others, cost is no object. Then we've got folks for whom do-it-yourself is essential, like Cisco's folks out in Guam. What all have in common is the need to know that what they buy or make is safe and effective enough to produce results. Ultimately, I'd like us to be able to classify the various CS preparations, equipment, and methods by valid measures and properties. Then we could examine any new technique or product and be able to say, with reasonable certainty, whether or not it will work for its intended use. Then people will have the *most* options, because they will discover that a lot of different products work, and be able to avoid the ones that won't, and be able to tell the difference. I hope all this makes it clear why I view this brand of silver water so important. It's important because it *works*. What I want to know is *why*. Then we could point to the kinds of equipment that you would need to make something as good, or know why that wouldn't be practical. In any case, we at least would know our options. ... Everytime I look at a bottle of drugs now I cringe and hope that WaterOz keeps on working so that I never have to go on them again! Amen to that! Thank you Dameon. I wish you well, brother. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum
Re: CS Cystic Fibrosis
Dameon is giving us some great insights into his treatment and experience. He's put together of a *lot* of different things which are helping him survive the disease. Thank you, sir! For the rest of us, I think we should try to become as well informed as we can, so we are able, like Dameon, to assemble a complement of tecniques to sustain our health or solve our health problems. CS is a useful component for such a regimen and a versitile tool. We need to continue to build our understanding of CS. That's what this group's for. There seems to be an on-going debate about which silver is the best. I know this: Concentration and penetration are key: If the particles are smaller, they'll get into more places and be more affective. The WaterOz product has obviously been effective for Dameon. When he first made contact with us, I was skeptical of it because of the high concentration claimed. This attitude comes from the baseless claims *some* vendors make, and simply *not* having the facilities to test and compare and categorize all the different products that are competing for our attention. I want to be able to *know* the particle size and concentration of a product, and have some way to objectively measure the effectiveness of a preparation. Without that, although we might know from Dameon's experience that WaterOz works, we won't know what *other* preparations might work, and most importantly, we won't know *why*. I'd like to resist the temptation to classify any one product as *best*, since different features are better in different situations. For some, cost might be more critical than a certain degree of effectiveness, particularly when dealing with less demanding conditions. For others, cost is no object. Then we've got folks for whom do-it-yourself is essential, like Cisco's folks out in Guam. What all have in common is the need to know that what they buy or make is safe and effective enough to produce results. Ultimately, I'd like us to be able to classify the various CS preparations, equipment, and methods by valid measures and properties. Then we could examine any new technique or product and be able to say, with reasonable certainty, whether or not it will work for its intended use. Then people will have the *most* options, because they will discover that a lot of different products work, and be able to avoid the ones that won't, and be able to tell the difference. I hope all this makes it clear why I view this brand of silver water so important. It's important because it *works*. What I want to know is *why*. Then we could point to the kinds of equipment that you would need to make something as good, or know why that wouldn't be practical. In any case, we at least would know our options. ... Everytime I look at a bottle of drugs now I cringe and hope that WaterOz keeps on working so that I never have to go on them again! Amen to that! Thank you Dameon. I wish you well, brother. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS Cystic Fibrosis
Because Joyce Inouye jinou...@ccsf.cc.ca.us had some questions: There seems to be an on-going debate about which silver is the best. I know this: Concentration and penetration are key: If the particles are smaller, they'll get into more places and be more affective. WaterOz silver has particles so small that it will even penetrate spinal fluid (claims the company). They'll also expell from the body more completely after doing their work (claims pro-CS sources). I can't prove any of this, but I know that enough CS must penetrate my heavily damaged lung tissue containing great amounts of very thick phlegm or it's worthless. Obviously, WaterOz does that or my cultures would not be coming back clear. Plus, CF is not *really* a lung disease per say, the destruction is just more critical there; it's really a BODY disease in that it affects all kinds of other systems, too (like the pancreas, kidneys, bowels and sinuses). So the more the silver can penetrate, the better! And I have yet to hear of a home-brew kit that will produce completely clear liquid at the stated 100+PPM of WaterOz that is still clear -- they all have some tint: Golden or amber. I've seen CS as dark as maple syrup! If there's a tint, then light is refracting off LARGER-than-WaterOz particles. Everyone I know of having good results with their home-brewed CS isn't dealing with a disease as deadly as mine, so their bodies have room for error -- mine doesn't. And if they *do* have a disease as deadly as mine or don't think their CS is doing the job, they should switch to WaterOz before it's too late (my opinion). There are serious *reasons* why most CF victims die by 20 and many long before that. At 42, I am very ancient. If WaterOz is *working for me*, then that's important progress in the *treatment of* this disease (and if it ain't broke, don't fix it!). Besides the smaller and more uniform size, is there a difference when you drink the silver? See above and all past postings. Is it more effective? See above and all past postings. What's different about the silver that makes you partial to it? See above and all past postings. Have you tried Soto's silver maker? No. Since you mentioned only the concentration and appearance of the silver, I wondered whether you were favoring WateOz by intellectual reasoning instead of by its effectiveness. I favor it because the proof's in the puddin'. I don't have the room to play intellectual reasoning games: I almost died twice in the past 7 months. This disease plays hardball. At 20 I had the rare opportunity of actually watching a CF victim die right in front of me while in the hospital for my own IV drug treatment. My room was across the hall from this poor girl's. It was the middle of the night and I couldn't sleep. In all the comotion, nobody noticed me standing there. That changed me. To this day I wonder what forces were at work to bring that about since it is very unusual and restricted. I decided that night to fight and now I am one of the oldest CF victims in the world. Years ago when I was in much better health I did a lot of intellectualizing about avaliable solutions -- now I go with gut reaction: If it works, I stick with it til something makes the spinning top wobble. *Then* I get intellectual about what's causing the problem and immediately switch modes. Like recently: I began craving orange juice *bigtime*, so instead of juicing oranges, I broke open canned oj. Then I began to notice that every time I drank it I'd have terrific coughing spasms. When I checked the label I found that it contained oranges from Brasil and Mexico -- places where there's little or no restrictions on the use of very bad pesticides (like DDT!). NO MORE OJ. SPASMS STOPPED. Do you feel better? I never really feel better having CF, it's just more of a tolerable situation when using WaterOz and not the drugs. In my entire life I had ONE DAY where I actually felt completely free of the disease and very good, but I won't go into that because it's too complicated and had a lot to do with many circumstances. The goal here is to keep lung damage from progressing til a major breakthrough in transplant or regeneration methodologies occurs. The hope is that I can hold out long enough to actually get new versions of my own lungs (grown in a big jar in Sweden, probably) so there's no rejection complications from someone else's tissue. Even the idea of having another person's lungs repulses me -- even IF science solves the rejection problems. I'll go with that if I have to, but I'd actually prefer getting a new pair of my own lungs that still have the CF problem, than to have someone else's organs! I can deal with this disease now for the rest of my life, I just need to breathe better! With new lungs from my own tissue that don't have all the scar-tissue of my present versions, I can keep them going til I'm 90 and feel like a million bucks! I know so much about good nutrition and preventing lung damage now that it
