Re: CSC. difficile
A homeopathic nosode preparation of C. difficile. Mine was prepared using computer assisted dermal diagnosis with the Interro program, along with a number of other remedies the program indicated I needed. R -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSC. difficile
Yuck! dee On 20 Jan 2010, at 19:00, Dan Nave wrote: Recently, I saw an article about a Minnesota doctor who treated an extremely difficult cast of C-difficile with a stool transplant. Basically, the husband's stool sample was liquified and strained and inserted into the woman's stomach through a tube. I suppose one could also drink it... This worked miraculoulsy and almost instantly. See article, below, one of many articles: Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSC. difficile
Anyone know how to treat someone with C. difficile Clostridium difficile, often called C. difficile or C. diff, is a bacterium that can cause symptoms ranging from diarrhea to life-threatening inflammation of the colon. Illness from C. difficile most commonly affects older adults in hospitals or in long term care facilities and typically occurs after use of antibiotic medications.
Re: CSC. difficile
I would suggest gallons of CS. dee On 20 Jan 2010, at 13:15, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: Anyone know how to treat someone with C. difficile Clostridium difficile, often called C. difficile or C. diff, is a bacterium that can cause symptoms ranging from diarrhea to life-threatening inflammation of the colon. Illness from C. difficile most commonly affects older adults in hospitals or in long term care facilities and typically occurs after use of antibiotic medications.
RE: CSC. difficile
I think high quality probiotics to replace good bacteria. Jess -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSC. difficile I would suggest gallons of CS. dee On 20 Jan 2010, at 13:15, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: Anyone know how to treat someone with C. difficile Clostridium difficile, often called C. difficile or C. diff, is a bacterium that can cause symptoms ranging from diarrhea to life-threatening inflammation of the colon. Illness from C. difficile most commonly affects older adults in hospitals or in long term care facilities and typically occurs after use of antibiotic medications.
Re: CSC. difficile
Recently, I saw an article about a Minnesota doctor who treated an extremely difficult cast of C-difficile with a stool transplant. Basically, the husband's stool sample was liquified and strained and inserted into the woman's stomach through a tube. I suppose one could also drink it... This worked miraculoulsy and almost instantly. See article, below, one of many articles: Dan http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2007/12/fecal_transplants_to_cure_clos.php Fecal Transplants to Cure Clostridium Difficile Infection Category: Antibiotic resistance • Ecology • General Epidemiology • Infectious disease • Public health • Various bacteria Posted on: December 17, 2007 1:50 PM, by Tara C. Smith In my field, many things that cause the average man-on-the-street to get a bit squeamish or squicked are rather commonplace. My own studies include two types of bacteria that are carried rectally in humans (and other animals), so I spend an absurd amount of time thinking about, well, shit, and the lifeforms that inhabit it and collectively make up our normal gut flora. The vast majority of these species don't harm us at all, and many are even beneficial: priming our immune system; assisting in digestion; and filling niches that could be colonized by their nastier bacterial brethren. It's typically when there's some disturbance in these flora that bad things happen. For example, you may ingest food contaminated with a foreign bacterial strain that may transiently colonize your intestines, resulting in cramping and diarrhea. Typically these infections are self-limited and your normal flora resets itself after a short time, but some pathogenic bacteria have a propensity for making themselves at home in your gut. How to get rid of these nasty invaders then? Antibiotics are one option, but they also kill your regular bacteria, potentially making the problem worse (especially if the nasty invader happens to be resistant to many antibiotics). There has been a large increase in the use of probiotics--formulations designed to add beneficial bacteria to your gut. However, these have largely not been rigorously tested or regulated, so it's unsure how well they actually work. What if, instead of re-constitituing healthy gut flora one species at a time, you could simply take the entire fecal contents from a healthy person and use it to re-colonize your own gut--in other words, undergo a fecal transplant? Yes, it's like probiotics on steroids: getting an infusion of someone else's gut flora in order to re-establish a healthy gut ecology of your own, and squeeze out some potentially harmful organisms along the way. A recent story discusses this treatment for patients suffering Clostridium difficile infections in Scotland, but it's actually not brand-new, and has already surfaced in the peer-reviewed literature. More after the jump... First, a quick review of C. difficile, which is a spore-forming bacterium carried asymptomatically by a small percentage of us. This species has become a problem in recent years due to both the emergence of a new, more virulent strain, and apparently due to an increase in use of a certain class of antibiotics, the fluoroquinolones. These antibiotics are termed broad spectrum: they kill a number of different species of bacteria in one fell swoop. This is good for the clinician, because it means they can start treatment quickly, before culture results are even back from the lab. However, it may be bad for the patient in the long term because it means that the antibiotic regimen will kill not only the bacterium causing the disease, but also will wipe out many beneficial organisms in and on the body. The result can be a disturbance in the ecology of one's normal flora, setting the stage for an invader such as C. difficile to come in and set up shop--and once it's there, it's notoriously difficult to get rid of. And once it's there and causing a symptomatic infection, it can be hell to deal with, resulting in copious and sometimes frequent diarrhea, and occasionally causes a more serious and painful condition called colitis (inflammation of the colon). Additional antibiotics can eliminate C. difficile, but they don't work for all patients, and infection can result in miserable symptoms. Thus, some have turned to the fecal transplant as a last-ditch effort to cure themselves of the infection. This procedure was described in a 2003 Clinical Infectious Diseases paper, documenting 19 patients who'd undergone a fecal transplant between 1994 and 2002. Donor feces are provided to the patient via a nasogastric tube as depicted in the picture to the right. First, of course, donor stool must be procured. When possible, they used donor stool from someone the recipient would be in contact with anyway--a spouse or other household member, preferably. A fresh sample is obtained and then, um, processed. The authors describe their methods (emphasis mine): Select a stool specimen (preferably a soft specimen) with a
RE: CSC. difficile
Also take a look at stomach acid, often C. difficile infections are allowed to flourish because of low stomach acid. I have read also that they are more common in older people because stomach acid levels get lower as we age. So among other measures, increasing stomach acid might be helpful. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSC. difficile
how do you do that In a message dated 1/20/2010 8:49:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: Also take a look at stomach acid, often C. difficile infections are allowed to flourish because of low stomach acid. I have read also that they are more common in older people because stomach acid levels get lower as we age. So among other measures, increasing stomach acid might be helpful. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSC. difficile
If you have taken a lot of antacids or acid blockers (from baking soda, to proton pump inhibitors to Zantac and the like) you likely have low stomach acid. Google home test for low stomach acid. I have read that around 80% of cases of acid reflux are actually caused by too little stomach acid. I do not know how much increasing stomach acid levels will do to reducing an existing C. Difficile infection, but low stomach acid will keep conditions favorable for it to keep recurring, so my view is you want to directly attack the bacterial overgrowth, and promote a proper level of acid in the stomach so you don't keep getting new infections. I take Betaine HCL with pepsin to increase stomach acid. sol At 08:12 PM 1/20/2010, you wrote: how do you do that In a message dated 1/20/2010 8:49:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: Also take a look at stomach acid, often C. difficile infections are allowed to flourish because of low stomach acid. I have read also that they are more common in older people because stomach acid levels get lower as we age. So among other measures, increasing stomach acid might be helpful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSC. difficile
Often there is low acid because of dehydration problems and drinking 2 glasses of water two hours before meals can prevent this problem (helps mucus formation as well) The Australian Bush Flower Essences Crowea and Paw Paw can also be helpful for acid balance (for two high or two low) though there are other for better digestion and assimilation too. Louise -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSC. difficile If you have taken a lot of antacids or acid blockers (from baking soda, to proton pump inhibitors to Zantac and the like) you likely have low stomach acid. Google home test for low stomach acid. I have read that around 80% of cases of acid reflux are actually caused by too little stomach acid. I do not know how much increasing stomach acid levels will do to reducing an existing C. Difficile infection, but low stomach acid will keep conditions favorable for it to keep recurring, so my view is you want to directly attack the bacterial overgrowth, and promote a proper level of acid in the stomach so you don't keep getting new infections. I take Betaine HCL with pepsin to increase stomach acid. sol At 08:12 PM 1/20/2010, you wrote: how do you do that In a message dated 1/20/2010 8:49:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: Also take a look at stomach acid, often C. difficile infections are allowed to flourish because of low stomach acid. I have read also that they are more common in older people because stomach acid levels get lower as we age. So among other measures, increasing stomach acid might be helpful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSC Difficile
REPOSTED - Original Message - From: ian_onta...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: CSC Difficile Hello: Has anyone found a support protocol for using CS with clients or patients that have C Difficile? Enemas etc. for instance. If it is a detailed response, could you also send a copy of your reply to ianro...@rogers.com Sincerely Yours, Ian Roe -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSC Difficile
I have had no experience with it, but would try CS enemas, and MMS by mouth. Marshall ian_onta...@hotmail.com wrote: REPOSTED - Original Message - From: ian_onta...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: CSC Difficile Hello: Has anyone found a support protocol for using CS with clients or patients that have C Difficile? Enemas etc. for instance. If it is a detailed response, could you also send a copy of your reply to ianro...@rogers.com Sincerely Yours, Ian Roe -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSC Difficile
I'm afraid that any advice I gave you would merely be Facile. Dan -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSC Difficile I have had no experience with it, but would try CS enemas, and MMS by mouth. Marshall ian_onta...@hotmail.com wrote: REPOSTED - Original Message - From: ian_onta...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: CSC Difficile Hello: Has anyone found a support protocol for using CS with clients or patients that have C Difficile? Enemas etc. for instance. If it is a detailed response, could you also send a copy of your reply to ianro...@rogers.com Sincerely Yours, Ian Roe -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSC Difficile
Hello: Has anyone found a support protocol for using CS with clients or patients that have C Difficile? Enemas etc. for instance. If it is a detailed response, could you also send a copy of your reply to ianro...@rogers.com Sincerely Yours, Ian Roe -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
